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Thoughts on rebooting?

1: Yes, reboot
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2: A reboot is ok, but not now
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8%
3: Don't reboot
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Total votes : 25

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The World Capitalist Confederation
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:00 pm

Hypron wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Imma need the Soviets to respond ASAP before the Suez Crisis blows over.


I'm gonna have problems if my Centurions go up against T-54 medium tanks. Not because of ridiculousness, but because my 84 mm gun will have problems with its armor.

Or worse yet, when your soldiers start fighting Soviet-trained guerrillas with AK-47s instead of some black guy running around wielding a lead pipe.
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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:01 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
Hypron wrote:
I'm gonna have problems if my Centurions go up against T-54 medium tanks. Not because of ridiculousness, but because my 84 mm gun will have problems with its armor.


84mm can pen a t-55


quote from Wikipedia: "When a Soviet T-54A main battle tank was driven to the British embassy in Budapest by Hungarian rebels during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, analysis of its armour and 100 mm gun led British officials to determine that the 20 pounder was ineffective at defeating Soviet armour." I wouldn't know this yet, but I would find out the hard way.
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:02 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Hypron wrote:
I'm gonna have problems if my Centurions go up against T-54 medium tanks. Not because of ridiculousness, but because my 84 mm gun will have problems with its armor.

Or worse yet, when your soldiers start fighting Soviet-trained guerrillas with AK-47s instead of some black guy running around wielding a lead pipe.


Not really a threat is it?
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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:03 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Or worse yet, when your soldiers start fighting Soviet-trained guerrillas with AK-47s instead of some black guy running around wielding a lead pipe.


Not really a threat is it?


i have tank-mounted Browning 50 cals for that.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:04 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Or worse yet, when your soldiers start fighting Soviet-trained guerrillas with AK-47s instead of some black guy running around wielding a lead pipe.


Not really a threat is it?

AK-47s are still being used for a reason today.

Also, how did you not notice the leader of the ASPG yet? You'll be in for a treat when you see his name.
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Postby Greater Redosia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:05 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Hypron wrote:
I'm gonna have problems if my Centurions go up against T-54 medium tanks. Not because of ridiculousness, but because my 84 mm gun will have problems with its armor.

Or worse yet, when your soldiers start fighting Soviet-trained guerrillas with AK-47s instead of some black guy running around wielding a lead pipe.


Bloody dang Soviet trained terrorists more like! Now excuse me while I sit in my corner and wait for something to be poked.
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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:06 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Not really a threat is it?

AK-47s are still being used for a reason today.

Also, how did you not notice the leader of the ASPG yet? You'll be in for a treat when you see his name.


De Klair is it?

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Postby Greater Liverpool » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:07 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Not really a threat is it?

AK-47s are still being used for a reason today.

Also, how did you not notice the leader of the ASPG yet? You'll be in for a treat when you see his name.


Cause tbh I still don't like how you acted in the other rp
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:08 pm

Hypron wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Not really a threat is it?


i have tank-mounted Browning 50 cals for that.

Yeah, and I have baking soda for that. Also, are ASPG soldiers considered legitimate combatants or insurgents under the definition of the Geneva Convention? I need to know before I start throwing bleach bombs at people.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:09 pm

Hypron wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:AK-47s are still being used for a reason today.

Also, how did you not notice the leader of the ASPG yet? You'll be in for a treat when you see his name.


De Klair is it?

Yep.

Greater Liverpool wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:AK-47s are still being used for a reason today.

Also, how did you not notice the leader of the ASPG yet? You'll be in for a treat when you see his name.


Cause tbh I still don't like how you acted in the other rp

I had OP's permission for the Lightning Resistance. For the rest, I just had to have some sort of conclusion.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:10 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Hypron wrote:
i have tank-mounted Browning 50 cals for that.

Yeah, and I have baking soda for that. Also, are ASPG soldiers considered legitimate combatants or insurgents under the definition of the Geneva Convention? I need to know before I start throwing bleach bombs at people.


You technically have a formed government so more than likely legitimate.

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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:13 pm

Here is the only reason I ain't using the L7 105mm gun, quote fro Wikipedia: Work on what became the L7 began in the early 1950s under Armament Research and Development Establishment at Fort Halstead with the first gun trials in mid-1956.[2] Later that year during the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, a Soviet T-54A medium tank was driven onto the grounds of the British embassy in Budapest by the Hungarians. After a brief examination of this tank's armour and 100 mm gun, British officials decided that the 20 pounder was apparently incapable of defeating it. Hence there was a need to adopt a 105 mm gun.[3]

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Postby Greater Redosia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:14 pm

Hypron wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Yeah, and I have baking soda for that. Also, are ASPG soldiers considered legitimate combatants or insurgents under the definition of the Geneva Convention? I need to know before I start throwing bleach bombs at people.


You technically have a formed government so more than likely legitimate.


I don't see it as much as a Government, it's more along the lines of the Syrian National Council irl. Along with it not really controlling land that declares itself officially under the ASPG control. It would mostly count as insurgent, at least depending on what nation you are. Israel would definitely see it as such, an attempt by various African liberation organizations working together in an attempt to free their lands and what not.
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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:15 pm

Greater Redosia wrote:
Hypron wrote:
You technically have a formed government so more than likely legitimate.


I don't see it as much as a Government, it's more along the lines of the Syrian National Council irl. Along with it not really controlling land that declares itself officially under the ASPG control. It would mostly count as insurgent, at least depending on what nation you are. Israel would definitely see it as such, an attempt by various African liberation organizations working together in an attempt to free their lands and what not.


Good point.

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Postby Chilternia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:29 pm

Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
Faction: None
History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.

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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:31 pm

Chilternia wrote:
Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
Faction: None
History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.


Am I the only one asking questions?

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Postby Greater Redosia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:31 pm

Hypron wrote:
Chilternia wrote:
Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
Faction: None
History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.


Am I the only one asking questions?


I simply didn't want to be the first one.
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Postby Yaruqo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 12:41 pm

Chilternia wrote:
Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
Faction: None
History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.


Question: Why? I mean, the Papacy had some influence after WWII, but...what would you even do as the Pope? And it isn't "The State of the Church", it is "The Holy See".
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Postby Asardia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:08 pm

First of all, anyone know where I can get some legit info on USSR military? Wikipedia says the strength of the Red Army will be about 2.8 million to about 5 million from 1945 to 1991.

Chilternia wrote:
Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
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History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.


I'm not going to say no...but countries like North Korea, Italy, India, and Pakistan are still open. If you want to do this I'll accept, but I just wanted to put that out there.
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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:17 pm

Asardia wrote:First of all, anyone know where I can get some legit info on USSR military? Wikipedia says the strength of the Red Army will be about 2.8 million to about 5 million from 1945 to 1991.

Chilternia wrote:
Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
Faction: None
History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.



I'm not going to say no...but countries like North Korea, Italy, India, and Pakistan are still open. If you want to do this I'll accept, but I just wanted to put that out there.


5.5 million in the mid 1950s, with 2.8 million ground troops, from a PDF which had help from the British Ministry of Defense. You want troop deployments as well?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:19 pm

Asardia wrote:First of all, anyone know where I can get some legit info on USSR military? Wikipedia says the strength of the Red Army will be about 2.8 million to about 5 million from 1945 to 1991.

Chilternia wrote:
Country Name: The State of the Church (known as Vatican City)
Head of State/Government: Pope Pius XII, birth name Eugenio Pacelli
Type of Government: Electoral Absolute Monarchy
Capital: Vatican City
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) RL Vatican City
Population: 908
Faction: None
History: The Catholic Church had control of it's own country, the Papal States until the Capture of Rome in 1870, the Pope fled to the Vatican in the safety of his wall where he stayed as 'prisoner' until 1922 with the signing of the the Lateran Treaty. Current Pope, then known as Eugenio Pacelli as Cardinal Secretary of State signed the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany and would keep the Vatican from WWII, although Rome was bombed.


I'm not going to say no...but countries like North Korea, Italy, India, and Pakistan are still open. If you want to do this I'll accept, but I just wanted to put that out there.

Can you respond to De Klair ASAP? I need Soviet intervention before the Suez crisis ends.
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:33 pm

And posted. The seeds of conflict have been planted.

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Postby Asardia » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:42 pm

Hypron wrote:
Asardia wrote:First of all, anyone know where I can get some legit info on USSR military? Wikipedia says the strength of the Red Army will be about 2.8 million to about 5 million from 1945 to 1991.




I'm not going to say no...but countries like North Korea, Italy, India, and Pakistan are still open. If you want to do this I'll accept, but I just wanted to put that out there.


5.5 million in the mid 1950s, with 2.8 million ground troops, from a PDF which had help from the British Ministry of Defense. You want troop deployments as well?


Thanks. If you can link it, I'd appreciate it. I was unable to find exact, or just overall numbers and deployments when I searched for it. If you can link the troop deployments, please do so.

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Asardia wrote:First of all, anyone know where I can get some legit info on USSR military? Wikipedia says the strength of the Red Army will be about 2.8 million to about 5 million from 1945 to 1991.



I'm not going to say no...but countries like North Korea, Italy, India, and Pakistan are still open. If you want to do this I'll accept, but I just wanted to put that out there.

Can you respond to De Klair ASAP? I need Soviet intervention before the Suez crisis ends.


I responded. I admit it's rather brief, but I still think the intervention can be worked out soon, especially once I get more military numbers and look into how this will effect the Soviet economy.

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:And posted. The seeds of conflict have been planted.


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Postby Hypron » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:45 pm

Asardia wrote:
Hypron wrote:
5.5 million in the mid 1950s, with 2.8 million ground troops, from a PDF which had help from the British Ministry of Defense. You want troop deployments as well?


Thanks. If you can link it, I'd appreciate it. I was unable to find exact, or just overall numbers and deployments when I searched for it. If you can link the troop deployments, please do so.


They are pretty far in the report, but I can tg them to you if that's alright. If you want to see the report than this is it, page 16-19: https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/p ... /N2859.pdf
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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:48 pm

So Germany's already... chaotic in this RP. Why not throw in another crazy wildcard to add to the insanity?

The Allies' vision is based on movement, probably.
Country Name: Officially: Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation
Unofficially: Nazi Austria, Austria, Festung Ostmark, the Alpine Redoubt
Head of State/Government: Reichspräsident (Head of State): Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler
Reichskanzler (Head of Government): Joseph Goebbels
Reichsminister of War: Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring
Chief of the OKW: Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel
Type of Government: Despotic totalitarian Nazi military junta
Capital: Graz
Map/location: Basically modern-day Austria and South Tyrol minus the American Occupation Zone
Population: 7,100,000
Faction: None
History: Festung Ostmark has its origins in Heinrich Himmler’s machinations as it became increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. He diverted resources, men, and supplies to work on fortifying Austria into a fortress from which to keep fighting the war long after Berlin fell. Eventually, of course, Berlin did fall, and with it went Hitler. The initial arrangement was Karl Dönitz as Reichspräsident and Joseph Goebbels as Reichskanzler, the latter having barely escaped Berlin. When it became clear Dönitz- being reasonably sensible and knowing trying to fight at this point was a lost cause at best- intended to surrender, Goebbels fled and made his way down south where Himmler was consolidating his power. Göring- fearing his capture- also fled to Austria. A final American offensive penetrated into Austria itself, taking with it most of Upper Austria, before Dönitz’s Flensburg government surrendered unconditionally, bringing with it the official end of the war in Europe.

Many German troops in Austria deserted to surrender to the Allies, but a good chunk rallied behind the remaining top cronies of Nazi leadership- mostly because the SS was holding a gun to their back. Further Allied offensives into the fortress Austria had become were considered too costly, and abandoned in favor of simply waiting for the remaining Nazis to starve as a way to save blood and bullets.

Four years later, that plan is finally coming to fruition, the last bastion of oppression in Europe starting to suffer from shortages of several major resources, most notable petrol. With this, two distinct schools of thought have started to emerge. Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring- despite hating each other personally and constantly battling for influence- support a peace arrangement with the Western Allies, especially with the Cold War shifting the Americans’ ire to communism, while Joseph Goebbels leads a small cabal of increasingly deluded personnel that continue to preach that a total war against all the enemies of Germany is the best way forward, and somehow a victory against all of the former Allies is still possible.
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