The Cold War RP (OOC, Open)

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

5.5 million in the mid 1950s, with 2.8 million ground troops, from a PDF which had help from the British Ministry of Defense. You want troop deployments as well?

Thanks. If you can link it, I'd appreciate it. I was unable to find exact, or just overall numbers and deployments when I searched for it. If you can link the troop deployments, please do so.

Can you respond to De Klair ASAP? I need Soviet intervention before the Suez crisis ends.

I responded. I admit it's rather brief, but I still think the intervention can be worked out soon, especially once I get more military numbers and look into how this will effect the Soviet economy.

And posted. The seeds of conflict have been planted.

Ah you've returned.

The mere act of the license to AK-47s is a game changer. Pipe guns? Zip guns? WW2-era Błyskawicas? No more! Now we have state-of-the-art Soviet technology! I mean, we still have to make it ourselves, but it's a plus either way.

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

And now, the preparation begins.

NATO probably thinks nothing is going on, and that the ASPG are just another pesky insurgency they have to fight.

[Dentali]

Egypt is really pushing its luck here

[Dentali]

Thanks. If you can link it, I'd appreciate it. I was unable to find exact, or just overall numbers and deployments when I searched for it. If you can link the troop deployments, please do so.



I responded. I admit it's rather brief, but I still think the intervention can be worked out soon, especially once I get more military numbers and look into how this will effect the Soviet economy.



Ah you've returned.

The mere act of the license to AK-47s is a game changer. Pipe guns? Zip guns? WW2-era Błyskawicas? No more! Now we have state-of-the-art Soviet technology! I mean, we still have to make it ourselves, but it's a plus either way.

Licensing does help if you don’t have factories...

[Greater Liverpool]

What would you guys think of a NATO but for the Southern hemisphere?

[Greater Liverpool]

The mere act of the license to AK-47s is a game changer. Pipe guns? Zip guns? WW2-era Błyskawicas? No more! Now we have state-of-the-art Soviet technology! I mean, we still have to make it ourselves, but it's a plus either way.

Licensing does help if you don’t have factories...

And a gun doesn't just completely change your luck like you will need factories and all industrial knowledge to build these. Plus it is a gun that is all it still wont destroy a tank or an aircraft

[The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune]

What would you guys think of a NATO but for the Southern hemisphere?

A... SATO persay?

[Greater Liverpool]

What would you guys think of a NATO but for the Southern hemisphere?

A... SATO persay?

perhaps?

[Greater Liverpool]

A... SATO persay?

perhaps?

I would go with SAOTO (Southern Atlantic and Oceanic Treaty Organisation) basically the Southern hemisphere and possibly some parts of the Pacific

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

The mere act of the license to AK-47s is a game changer. Pipe guns? Zip guns? WW2-era Błyskawicas? No more! Now we have state-of-the-art Soviet technology! I mean, we still have to make it ourselves, but it's a plus either way.

Licensing does help if you don’t have factories...

We do have factories, just less than the West.

Licensing does help if you don’t have factories...

And a gun doesn't just completely change your luck like you will need factories and all industrial knowledge to build these. Plus it is a gun that is all it still wont destroy a tank or an aircraft

Yeah but do you know how reliable an AK-47 is compared to an M16, let alone a pen gun?

[Speyland]

Name of faction: Darul Islam
Leader: Sekarmadji Maridjan Kartosuwiryo
Influence: Approximately 10,000
Base of operations: Indonesia
Goals: Establish an Islamic state in Indonesia.
History: It was established in 1942 by a group of Muslim militias, coordinated by a charismatic radical Muslim politician, Sekarmadji Maridjan Kartosoewirjo.

[Peroniist Argentina]

Country Name: The Republic of Argentina
Head of State/Government: Juan Domingo Perón
Type of Government: Military Republic
Capital:Buenos Aires
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The Standard Argentine Borders from the time(Which is basically just modern borders)
Population:17,000,000
Faction: Technically allied with NATO, odd history with Britain
History: Argentina remained a neutral nation after the second world war, but grew closely allied with America when a small dispatch of the 101st Airborne stopped an Argentine coup in 1946. In turn for America training Argentine troops and supplying tech, Perón allowed the USA to station troops in Argentina(only in times of war) and supplied the Americans with resources. However, Argentina has a tense relationship with Britain due to the latter's possession of the Malvinas Islands. Despite this, Perón chooses to ally himself with NATO to avoid any Soviet influence in his nation.[/box]

[The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune]

Licensing does help if you don’t have factories...

We do have factories, just less than the West.

And a gun doesn't just completely change your luck like you will need factories and all industrial knowledge to build these. Plus it is a gun that is all it still wont destroy a tank or an aircraft

Yeah but do you know how reliable an AK-47 is compared to an M16, let alone a pen gun?

True, the AK is more reliable, but it's also an unwieldy bitch of a gun that can barely be aimed in semi-automatic mode. Also you're a spread out African rebel faction right, where the hell are your factories. A large part of Africa is still unindustrialized today, much less in 49'. You're spread out over an area larger than the continental US, even more so if you're fighting in egypt. Most of that area is untouched wildland that modern armies have trouble fighting in.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

In regards to the German territorial issue, the key theme with Germany is for all intents, and purposes disunification. Regardless of the pan-german ideals that the DDR held in real life the best course of action would be to follow through an idea of them being a "better German state" more or so than a "better germany". The French will most likely outside of the Saarland want a buffer republic heavily dependent on them, but serving autonomously to give a veneer of legitimacy. Ultimately the United States will have to pursue the same policy once the issue of the Reich remnants is resolved.

[Greater Liverpool]

Country Name: The Republic of Argentina
Head of State/Government: Juan Domingo Perón
Type of Government: Military Republic
Capital:Buenos Aires
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The Standard Argentine Borders from the time(Which is basically just modern borders)
Population:17,000,000
Faction: Technically allied with NATO, odd history with Britain
History: Argentina remained a neutral nation after the second world war, but grew closely allied with America when a small dispatch of the 101st Airborne stopped an Argentine coup in 1946. In turn for America training Argentine troops and supplying tech, Perón allowed the USA to station troops in Argentina(only in times of war) and supplied the Americans with resources. However, Argentina has a tense relationship with Britain due to the latter's possession of the Malvinas Islands. Despite this, Perón chooses to ally himself with NATO to avoid any Soviet influence in his nation.[/box]

ayyyyy another south american and someone to possibly join my new alliance

[Peroniist Argentina]

Country Name: The Republic of Argentina
Head of State/Government: Juan Domingo Perón
Type of Government: Military Republic
Capital:Buenos Aires
Map/location (an actual map or description is fine here) The Standard Argentine Borders from the time(Which is basically just modern borders)
Population:17,000,000
Faction: Technically allied with NATO, odd history with Britain
History: Argentina remained a neutral nation after the second world war, but grew closely allied with America when a small dispatch of the 101st Airborne stopped an Argentine coup in 1946. In turn for America training Argentine troops and supplying tech, Perón allowed the USA to station troops in Argentina(only in times of war) and supplied the Americans with resources. However, Argentina has a tense relationship with Britain due to the latter's possession of the Malvinas Islands. Despite this, Perón chooses to ally himself with NATO to avoid any Soviet influence in his nation.[/box]

ayyyyy another south american and someone to possibly join my new alliance

AYYYYYYYY

[Hypron]

is SAOTO gonna be allied with NATO or is it gonna be a different alliance?

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

So Germany's already... chaotic in this RP. Why not throw in another crazy wildcard to add to the insanity?

The Allies' vision is based on movement, probably.

Country Name: Officially: Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation
Unofficially: Nazi Austria, Austria, Festung Ostmark, the Alpine Redoubt
Head of State/Government: Reichspräsident (Head of State): Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler
Reichskanzler (Head of Government): Joseph Goebbels
Reichsminister of War: Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring
Chief of the OKW: Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel
Type of Government: Despotic totalitarian Nazi military junta
Capital: Graz
Map/location: Basically modern-day Austria and South Tyrol minus the American Occupation Zone
Population: 7,100,000
Faction: None
History: Festung Ostmark has its origins in Heinrich Himmler’s machinations as it became increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. He diverted resources, men, and supplies to work on fortifying Austria into a fortress from which to keep fighting the war long after Berlin fell. Eventually, of course, Berlin did fall, and with it went Hitler. The initial arrangement was Karl Dönitz as Reichspräsident and Joseph Goebbels as Reichskanzler, the latter having barely escaped Berlin. When it became clear Dönitz- being reasonably sensible and knowing trying to fight at this point was a lost cause at best- intended to surrender, Goebbels fled and made his way down south where Himmler was consolidating his power. Göring- fearing his capture- also fled to Austria. A final American offensive penetrated into Austria itself, taking with it most of Upper Austria, before Dönitz’s Flensburg government surrendered unconditionally, bringing with it the official end of the war in Europe.

Many German troops in Austria deserted to surrender to the Allies, but a good chunk rallied behind the remaining top cronies of Nazi leadership- mostly because the SS was holding a gun to their back. Further Allied offensives into the fortress Austria had become were considered too costly, and abandoned in favor of simply waiting for the remaining Nazis to starve as a way to save blood and bullets.

Four years later, that plan is finally coming to fruition, the last bastion of oppression in Europe starting to suffer from shortages of several major resources, most notable petrol. With this, two distinct schools of thought have started to emerge. Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring- despite hating each other personally and constantly battling for influence- support a peace arrangement with the Western Allies, especially with the Cold War shifting the Americans’ ire to communism, while Joseph Goebbels leads a small cabal of increasingly deluded personnel that continue to preach that a total war against all the enemies of Germany is the best way forward, and somehow a victory against all of the former Allies is still possible.

At most, you will have an extremely hellish version of North Korea holed up by people using you to play the long con. With the Nuremberg trials and the surrender of the official government, you are pretty much going to be viewed as an ideological remnant similar to the werewolves, but you actually have territory this time.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

We do have factories, just less than the West.

Yeah but do you know how reliable an AK-47 is compared to an M16, let alone a pen gun?

True, the AK is more reliable, but it's also an unwieldy bitch of a gun that can barely be aimed in semi-automatic mode. Also you're a spread out African rebel faction right, where the hell are your factories. A large part of Africa is still industrialized today, much less in 49'. You're spread out over an area larger than the continental US, even more so if you're fighting in egypt. Most of that area is untouched wildland that modern armies have trouble fighting in.

The best they can hope for is committing strategic acts of mass terrorism while currying international favor, but even still no one wants a united Africa much less the Soviets. It is much easier to play the game with many pawns rather than hope for one large one winning out in the end. At least with some small pawns a few will win out here, and there.

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

is SAOTO gonna be allied with NATO or is it gonna be a different alliance?

Perhaps not ideologically different, but certainly different priorities.

[Speyland]

Who wants a meeting with Indonesia?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

So Germany's already... chaotic in this RP. Why not throw in another crazy wildcard to add to the insanity?

The Allies' vision is based on movement, probably.

Country Name: Officially: Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation
Unofficially: Nazi Austria, Austria, Festung Ostmark, the Alpine Redoubt
Head of State/Government: Reichspräsident (Head of State): Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler
Reichskanzler (Head of Government): Joseph Goebbels
Reichsminister of War: Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring
Chief of the OKW: Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel
Type of Government: Despotic totalitarian Nazi military junta
Capital: Graz
Map/location: Basically modern-day Austria and South Tyrol minus the American Occupation Zone
Population: 7,100,000
Faction: None
History: Festung Ostmark has its origins in Heinrich Himmler’s machinations as it became increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. He diverted resources, men, and supplies to work on fortifying Austria into a fortress from which to keep fighting the war long after Berlin fell. Eventually, of course, Berlin did fall, and with it went Hitler. The initial arrangement was Karl Dönitz as Reichspräsident and Joseph Goebbels as Reichskanzler, the latter having barely escaped Berlin. When it became clear Dönitz- being reasonably sensible and knowing trying to fight at this point was a lost cause at best- intended to surrender, Goebbels fled and made his way down south where Himmler was consolidating his power. Göring- fearing his capture- also fled to Austria. A final American offensive penetrated into Austria itself, taking with it most of Upper Austria, before Dönitz’s Flensburg government surrendered unconditionally, bringing with it the official end of the war in Europe.

Many German troops in Austria deserted to surrender to the Allies, but a good chunk rallied behind the remaining top cronies of Nazi leadership- mostly because the SS was holding a gun to their back. Further Allied offensives into the fortress Austria had become were considered too costly, and abandoned in favor of simply waiting for the remaining Nazis to starve as a way to save blood and bullets.

Four years later, that plan is finally coming to fruition, the last bastion of oppression in Europe starting to suffer from shortages of several major resources, most notable petrol. With this, two distinct schools of thought have started to emerge. Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring- despite hating each other personally and constantly battling for influence- support a peace arrangement with the Western Allies, especially with the Cold War shifting the Americans’ ire to communism, while Joseph Goebbels leads a small cabal of increasingly deluded personnel that continue to preach that a total war against all the enemies of Germany is the best way forward, and somehow a victory against all of the former Allies is still possible.

Oh, PLEASE accept this!

[The Hobbesian Metaphysician]

So Germany's already... chaotic in this RP. Why not throw in another crazy wildcard to add to the insanity?

The Allies' vision is based on movement, probably.

Country Name: Officially: Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation
Unofficially: Nazi Austria, Austria, Festung Ostmark, the Alpine Redoubt
Head of State/Government: Reichspräsident (Head of State): Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler
Reichskanzler (Head of Government): Joseph Goebbels
Reichsminister of War: Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring
Chief of the OKW: Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel
Type of Government: Despotic totalitarian Nazi military junta
Capital: Graz
Map/location: Basically modern-day Austria and South Tyrol minus the American Occupation Zone
Population: 7,100,000
Faction: None
History: Festung Ostmark has its origins in Heinrich Himmler’s machinations as it became increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. He diverted resources, men, and supplies to work on fortifying Austria into a fortress from which to keep fighting the war long after Berlin fell. Eventually, of course, Berlin did fall, and with it went Hitler. The initial arrangement was Karl Dönitz as Reichspräsident and Joseph Goebbels as Reichskanzler, the latter having barely escaped Berlin. When it became clear Dönitz- being reasonably sensible and knowing trying to fight at this point was a lost cause at best- intended to surrender, Goebbels fled and made his way down south where Himmler was consolidating his power. Göring- fearing his capture- also fled to Austria. A final American offensive penetrated into Austria itself, taking with it most of Upper Austria, before Dönitz’s Flensburg government surrendered unconditionally, bringing with it the official end of the war in Europe.

Many German troops in Austria deserted to surrender to the Allies, but a good chunk rallied behind the remaining top cronies of Nazi leadership- mostly because the SS was holding a gun to their back. Further Allied offensives into the fortress Austria had become were considered too costly, and abandoned in favor of simply waiting for the remaining Nazis to starve as a way to save blood and bullets.

Four years later, that plan is finally coming to fruition, the last bastion of oppression in Europe starting to suffer from shortages of several major resources, most notable petrol. With this, two distinct schools of thought have started to emerge. Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring- despite hating each other personally and constantly battling for influence- support a peace arrangement with the Western Allies, especially with the Cold War shifting the Americans’ ire to communism, while Joseph Goebbels leads a small cabal of increasingly deluded personnel that continue to preach that a total war against all the enemies of Germany is the best way forward, and somehow a victory against all of the former Allies is still possible.

Oh, PLEASE accept this!

For the sheer absurdity, why not?

[Speyland]

So Germany's already... chaotic in this RP. Why not throw in another crazy wildcard to add to the insanity?

The Allies' vision is based on movement, probably.

Country Name: Officially: Greater Germanic Reich of the German Nation
Unofficially: Nazi Austria, Austria, Festung Ostmark, the Alpine Redoubt
Head of State/Government: Reichspräsident (Head of State): Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler
Reichskanzler (Head of Government): Joseph Goebbels
Reichsminister of War: Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring
Chief of the OKW: Generalfeldmarschall Wilhelm Keitel
Type of Government: Despotic totalitarian Nazi military junta
Capital: Graz
Map/location: Basically modern-day Austria and South Tyrol minus the American Occupation Zone
Population: 7,100,000
Faction: None
History: Festung Ostmark has its origins in Heinrich Himmler’s machinations as it became increasingly clear that Germany was going to lose the war. He diverted resources, men, and supplies to work on fortifying Austria into a fortress from which to keep fighting the war long after Berlin fell. Eventually, of course, Berlin did fall, and with it went Hitler. The initial arrangement was Karl Dönitz as Reichspräsident and Joseph Goebbels as Reichskanzler, the latter having barely escaped Berlin. When it became clear Dönitz- being reasonably sensible and knowing trying to fight at this point was a lost cause at best- intended to surrender, Goebbels fled and made his way down south where Himmler was consolidating his power. Göring- fearing his capture- also fled to Austria. A final American offensive penetrated into Austria itself, taking with it most of Upper Austria, before Dönitz’s Flensburg government surrendered unconditionally, bringing with it the official end of the war in Europe.

Many German troops in Austria deserted to surrender to the Allies, but a good chunk rallied behind the remaining top cronies of Nazi leadership- mostly because the SS was holding a gun to their back. Further Allied offensives into the fortress Austria had become were considered too costly, and abandoned in favor of simply waiting for the remaining Nazis to starve as a way to save blood and bullets.

Four years later, that plan is finally coming to fruition, the last bastion of oppression in Europe starting to suffer from shortages of several major resources, most notable petrol. With this, two distinct schools of thought have started to emerge. Heinrich Himmler and Hermann Göring- despite hating each other personally and constantly battling for influence- support a peace arrangement with the Western Allies, especially with the Cold War shifting the Americans’ ire to communism, while Joseph Goebbels leads a small cabal of increasingly deluded personnel that continue to preach that a total war against all the enemies of Germany is the best way forward, and somehow a victory against all of the former Allies is still possible.

Oh, PLEASE accept this!

Death to the Nazis!

[Greater Liverpool]

is SAOTO gonna be allied with NATO or is it gonna be a different alliance?

Theocratical no it is a separate alliance, but in reality yes it is going to be a pro-Democratic anti communist alliance. Basically the only difference is that while NATO is based in Europe against the Soviets. SAOTO will be against communist spreading in the likes of Africa and Asia.