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Postby Kelmet » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:49 pm

Greater Redosia wrote:
Kelmet wrote:So we are going the 1980's cold war style?


Most likely, but be ready for weird stuff too. FOR WE ARE GOING

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Postby Kelmet » Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:23 pm

Could I reserve or at least express interest in playing a Soviet union with a twist?
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:03 am

Kelmet wrote:Could I reserve or at least express interest in playing a Soviet union with a twist?


What do you got in mind?

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Postby Kelmet » Sat Sep 14, 2019 10:39 am

The Felan Federation wrote:
Kelmet wrote:Could I reserve or at least express interest in playing a Soviet union with a twist?


What do you got in mind?

Insted of a communist totalitarian state go for more of a Union of independent republics, with a powerful super national government.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:36 am

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What do you got in mind?

Insted of a communist totalitarian state go for more of a Union of independent republics, with a powerful super national government.


So. Ultranationalist Russia?

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Postby Kelmet » Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:16 pm

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Kelmet wrote:Insted of a communist totalitarian state go for more of a Union of independent republics, with a powerful super national government.


So. Ultranationalist Russia?

Kinda like a supernational confederacy made up of authoritarian member nations
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:08 pm

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The Felan Federation wrote:
So. Ultranationalist Russia?

Kinda like a supernational confederacy made up of authoritarian member nations


And what is keeping them united?

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Postby Kelmet » Sat Sep 14, 2019 6:36 pm

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Kelmet wrote:Kinda like a supernational confederacy made up of authoritarian member nations


And what is keeping them united?

Centuries of unity like the russian empire before the USSR, a common culture, economy, military ext.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:01 pm

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And what is keeping them united?

Centuries of unity like the russian empire before the USSR, a common culture, economy, military ext.


Hah. You do realize how many regions broke off during the collapse of the Russian Empire?

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Postby Kelmet » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:06 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:
Kelmet wrote:Centuries of unity like the russian empire before the USSR, a common culture, economy, military ext.


Hah. You do realize how many regions broke off during the collapse of the Russian Empire?

Yes, but this isn't after the collapse, its the 1980s.
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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:02 am

Kelmet wrote:
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Hah. You do realize how many regions broke off during the collapse of the Russian Empire?

Yes, but this isn't after the collapse, its the 1980s.

I like the idea of the USSR being instead a tight confederation of authoritarian nation-states. I would be the US, which is the same, but with three major parties (right-wing Democrats, centrist Republicans and left-wing Progressives) and more than 50 states (such as Puerto Rico, Ontonagon, Samoa and Bahamas). It would still lead a NATO-like bloc and .

Eurotransasia also sounds like a good idea, in which we got a similar USSR based in Central Europe, albeit we still need a lot of smaller countries, not just too many larger ones.

The MG-inspired tech would be very interesting like we would have anything 1980s become more modern, eugenics being used to produce supersoldiers and even have some mechs similar to the Metal Gears, albeit not being nuclear warheads, more like conventional war machines that are non-WMD. We also need to know if there would be a Great Depression in the backstory and the POD needs to be more clear if it's going to occur either during WW1 or even before WW1, as well as what triggers the POD. I also need to know when your countries (Eurotransasia, Union of Independent Republics, etc) would be formed. It would be very good for the backstory.

About the application: Would we be in need of GDP, demonym and tech level?
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:22 am

Arvenia wrote:
Kelmet wrote:Yes, but this isn't after the collapse, its the 1980s.

I like the idea of the USSR being instead a tight confederation of authoritarian nation-states. I would be the US, which is the same, but with three major parties (right-wing Democrats, centrist Republicans and left-wing Progressives) and more than 50 states (such as Puerto Rico, Ontonagon, Samoa and Bahamas). It would still lead a NATO-like bloc and .

Eurotransasia also sounds like a good idea, in which we got a similar USSR based in Central Europe, albeit we still need a lot of smaller countries, not just too many larger ones.

The MG-inspired tech would be very interesting like we would have anything 1980s become more modern, eugenics being used to produce supersoldiers and even have some mechs similar to the Metal Gears, albeit not being nuclear warheads, more like conventional war machines that are non-WMD. We also need to know if there would be a Great Depression in the backstory and the POD needs to be more clear if it's going to occur either during WW1 or even before WW1, as well as what triggers the POD. I also need to know when your countries (Eurotransasia, Union of Independent Republics, etc) would be formed. It would be very good for the backstory.

About the application: Would we be in need of GDP, demonym and tech level?


I would think not. Perhaps tech level could be merely in describing what kind of stuff do you guys have.

As I mentioned before, we need to figure out what kind of countries we are gonna get and/or what kind of blocs we can form from them. Since from all the RPs I have seen you do Arvenia - you'd usually put in a lot of work - only for half of them to be not used at all. So I think it's best to see, if we can get any 'major' countries taken and then see if we have more players if what 'minor' countries they want to play.

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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:04 am

The Felan Federation wrote:
Arvenia wrote:I like the idea of the USSR being instead a tight confederation of authoritarian nation-states. I would be the US, which is the same, but with three major parties (right-wing Democrats, centrist Republicans and left-wing Progressives) and more than 50 states (such as Puerto Rico, Ontonagon, Samoa and Bahamas). It would still lead a NATO-like bloc and .

Eurotransasia also sounds like a good idea, in which we got a similar USSR based in Central Europe, albeit we still need a lot of smaller countries, not just too many larger ones.

The MG-inspired tech would be very interesting like we would have anything 1980s become more modern, eugenics being used to produce supersoldiers and even have some mechs similar to the Metal Gears, albeit not being nuclear warheads, more like conventional war machines that are non-WMD. We also need to know if there would be a Great Depression in the backstory and the POD needs to be more clear if it's going to occur either during WW1 or even before WW1, as well as what triggers the POD. I also need to know when your countries (Eurotransasia, Union of Independent Republics, etc) would be formed. It would be very good for the backstory.

About the application: Would we be in need of GDP, demonym and tech level?


I would think not. Perhaps tech level could be merely in describing what kind of stuff do you guys have.

As I mentioned before, we need to figure out what kind of countries we are gonna get and/or what kind of blocs we can form from them. Since from all the RPs I have seen you do Arvenia - you'd usually put in a lot of work - only for half of them to be not used at all. So I think it's best to see, if we can get any 'major' countries taken and then see if we have more players if what 'minor' countries they want to play.

Okay, we could go with major ones so that we can see which minor ones would be. I am going to try and allow major ones, plus describing what kind of tech stuff we have sounds good too.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:49 am

Arvenia wrote:
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I would think not. Perhaps tech level could be merely in describing what kind of stuff do you guys have.

As I mentioned before, we need to figure out what kind of countries we are gonna get and/or what kind of blocs we can form from them. Since from all the RPs I have seen you do Arvenia - you'd usually put in a lot of work - only for half of them to be not used at all. So I think it's best to see, if we can get any 'major' countries taken and then see if we have more players if what 'minor' countries they want to play.

Okay, we could go with major ones so that we can see which minor ones would be. I am going to try and allow major ones, plus describing what kind of tech stuff we have sounds good too.


Okay. Can you compile a list of major nations that players wanna be?

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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 9:12 am

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Arvenia wrote:Okay, we could go with major ones so that we can see which minor ones would be. I am going to try and allow major ones, plus describing what kind of tech stuff we have sounds good too.


Okay. Can you compile a list of major nations that players wanna be?

I think I got a list of players with their choosen nations:
  • Me: USA (with more than 50 states and a three-party system dominated by Republicans, Democrats and Progressives)
  • Kelmet: Union of Independent Republics (an alternate EU-like version of the USSR)
  • Greater Redosia: Eurotransasia (a Central European great power with political inspiration from George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four)
  • Dragos Bee: A "Hashemite Caliphate" in the Middle East that is Western-like, confessionalist and pro-cannabis, yet still being dominated by Arab culture.
  • Demorvian: Australia
I do like to see these following countries:
  • Good ol' UK (with or without the British Empire, mostly depending on backstory)
  • Japan (if it is still imperial or currently under a pro-US puppet government, depending on if the Pacific War did happen)
  • China (whether if it is either the ROC, the PRC or even split into two countries like Korea)
  • France (more specifically being split into two separate countries, one being still the Third Republic and other being socialist)
  • Fascist Italy
  • Some Latin American countries
  • Some African countries
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:27 am

I'd be willing to play as Brazil, Colombia, or Venezuela. Perhaps an African nation like a surviving Ethiopian Empire or something.
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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:34 am

Cappuccina wrote:I'd be willing to play as Brazil, Colombia, or Venezuela. Perhaps an African nation like a surviving Ethiopian Empire or something.

The Ethiopian Empire would survive and is likely to not be socialist as IRL if it was more modern and even goes through technological development.
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Postby Cappuccina » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:55 am

Arvenia wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:I'd be willing to play as Brazil, Colombia, or Venezuela. Perhaps an African nation like a surviving Ethiopian Empire or something.

The Ethiopian Empire would survive and is likely to not be socialist as IRL if it was more modern and even goes through technological development.

I wouldn't have wanted to play them as socialist anyways.
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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:59 am

What we know about this AH Cold War RP so far:
  • The POD is somwhere in WW1 (referred to in the RP as the "Great War" since there was no WW2 as IRL), which led the conflict to prolong into 1920 (although it still resulted in Entente victory and the US did fight it as IRL).
  • Socialist revolutions broke out across Europe, resulting in the German Empire becoming "Eurotransasia" and France being split into two countries (one being the Third Republic and the other being socialist).
  • The Russian Empire is replaced by the "Union of Independent Republics" (a supranational version of the USSR).
  • Nazism is non-existent as a result of Germany becoming Eurotransasia and WW2 never occuring as in OTL.
  • The Great Depression either occurs as in OTL or is non-existent like Nazism and WW2.
  • The US currently has three major parties (Democrats, Republicans and Progressives).
  • East Asia being possibly disputed between China and Japan (unless the Pacific War occured or China got split into two countries like France).
  • There are mechs and supersoldiers.
  • The setting is somewhere in the 1980s.
  • The intendend premiere of the RP is to be October (as a result of me having issues with limited WiFi at home, as well as having a lot of time to figure out the backstory).
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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:59 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Arvenia wrote:The Ethiopian Empire would survive and is likely to not be socialist as IRL if it was more modern and even goes through technological development.

I wouldn't have wanted to play them as socialist anyways.

I see.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:01 pm

Arvenia wrote:What we know about this AH Cold War RP so far:
  • The POD is somwhere in WW1 (referred to in the RP as the "Great War" since there was no WW2 as IRL), which led the conflict to prolong into 1920 (although it still resulted in Entente victory and the US did fight it as IRL).
  • Socialist revolutions broke out across Europe, resulting in the German Empire becoming "Eurotransasia" and France being split into two countries (one being the Third Republic and the other being socialist).
  • The Russian Empire is replaced by the "Union of Independent Republics" (a supranational version of the USSR).
  • Nazism is non-existent as a result of Germany becoming Eurotransasia and WW2 never occuring as in OTL.
  • The Great Depression either occurs as in OTL or is non-existent like Nazism and WW2.
  • The US currently has three major parties (Democrats, Republicans and Progressives).
  • East Asia being possibly disputed between China and Japan (unless the Pacific War occured or China got split into two countries like France).
  • There are mechs and supersoldiers.
  • The setting is somewhere in the 1980s.
  • The intendend premiere of the RP is to be October (as a result of me having issues with limited WiFi at home, as well as having a lot of time to figure out the backstory).


I could perhaps play as the British Empire, whom refused to get involved in WW1? Thus it would be basically Germany vs France and having both sides inflict damage against each other?

If Austria-Hungary and Russian Empire collapse came about - I'd wager that Britain might've helped stabilize Russia?

IF I am Britain, then perhaps me staying clear and having an intact economy perhaps helped stabilize the post-war economy?

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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:41 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:
Arvenia wrote:What we know about this AH Cold War RP so far:
  • The POD is somwhere in WW1 (referred to in the RP as the "Great War" since there was no WW2 as IRL), which led the conflict to prolong into 1920 (although it still resulted in Entente victory and the US did fight it as IRL).
  • Socialist revolutions broke out across Europe, resulting in the German Empire becoming "Eurotransasia" and France being split into two countries (one being the Third Republic and the other being socialist).
  • The Russian Empire is replaced by the "Union of Independent Republics" (a supranational version of the USSR).
  • Nazism is non-existent as a result of Germany becoming Eurotransasia and WW2 never occuring as in OTL.
  • The Great Depression either occurs as in OTL or is non-existent like Nazism and WW2.
  • The US currently has three major parties (Democrats, Republicans and Progressives).
  • East Asia being possibly disputed between China and Japan (unless the Pacific War occured or China got split into two countries like France).
  • There are mechs and supersoldiers.
  • The setting is somewhere in the 1980s.
  • The intendend premiere of the RP is to be October (as a result of me having issues with limited WiFi at home, as well as having a lot of time to figure out the backstory).


I could perhaps play as the British Empire, whom refused to get involved in WW1? Thus it would be basically Germany vs France and having both sides inflict damage against each other?

If Austria-Hungary and Russian Empire collapse came about - I'd wager that Britain might've helped stabilize Russia?

IF I am Britain, then perhaps me staying clear and having an intact economy perhaps helped stabilize the post-war economy?

That could sound possible, so I might move the POD to before the Great War. However, in that case, if the UK refuses to join the war, then the war would pit the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria) against a different Triple Entente composed of France, Russia and Italy, with the US joining the war later as in OTL.

About the question regarding Russia, I doubt it would happen because Russia becomes this authoritarian UIR who, like the USSR, would be hostile towards the UK due to conflicting ideologies.

About the question regarding the post-war economy, that could sound good too, although you could help stabilize France (mostly West France) after it gets split following socialist uprising. The US would come afterwards.
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Postby The Felan Federation » Sun Sep 15, 2019 12:53 pm

Arvenia wrote:
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I could perhaps play as the British Empire, whom refused to get involved in WW1? Thus it would be basically Germany vs France and having both sides inflict damage against each other?

If Austria-Hungary and Russian Empire collapse came about - I'd wager that Britain might've helped stabilize Russia?

IF I am Britain, then perhaps me staying clear and having an intact economy perhaps helped stabilize the post-war economy?

That could sound possible, so I might move the POD to before the Great War. However, in that case, if the UK refuses to join the war, then the war would pit the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria) against a different Triple Entente composed of France, Russia and Italy, with the US joining the war later as in OTL.

About the question regarding Russia, I doubt it would happen because Russia becomes this authoritarian UIR who, like the USSR, would be hostile towards the UK due to conflicting ideologies.

About the question regarding the post-war economy, that could sound good too, although you could help stabilize France (mostly West France) after it gets split following socialist uprising. The US would come afterwards.


Well. Britain has a history of acting in the interest of 'balance of power' - thus it could've aided Russia against the Communists for the sheer reason on not having the ideology spread as it had done, after World War One.

As for Britain not joining the war - we could perhaps make up, that the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entente_Cordiale - didn't happen, thus keeping British and French relationships cold as they had been for centuries. Or Germany just not going through Belgium.

Also, without Nazi Germany rising - then the idea of eugenics wouldn't get such a bad reputation. (Since in-truth, the idea had been around for years if I remember between the Western powers and even practiced in some places)

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Postby Arvenia » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:25 pm

The Felan Federation wrote:
Arvenia wrote:That could sound possible, so I might move the POD to before the Great War. However, in that case, if the UK refuses to join the war, then the war would pit the Central Powers (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey and Bulgaria) against a different Triple Entente composed of France, Russia and Italy, with the US joining the war later as in OTL.

About the question regarding Russia, I doubt it would happen because Russia becomes this authoritarian UIR who, like the USSR, would be hostile towards the UK due to conflicting ideologies.

About the question regarding the post-war economy, that could sound good too, although you could help stabilize France (mostly West France) after it gets split following socialist uprising. The US would come afterwards.


Well. Britain has a history of acting in the interest of 'balance of power' - thus it could've aided Russia against the Communists for the sheer reason on not having the ideology spread as it had done, after World War One.

As for Britain not joining the war - we could perhaps make up, that the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entente_Cordiale - didn't happen, thus keeping British and French relationships cold as they had been for centuries. Or Germany just not going through Belgium.

Also, without Nazi Germany rising - then the idea of eugenics wouldn't get such a bad reputation. (Since in-truth, the idea had been around for years if I remember between the Western powers and even practiced in some places)

Okay, then the UK could still help stabilize Russia, albeit it is uncertain how the relations are between the UK and the UIR. Without the Entente Cordiale happening, the Franco-British relations would be kept cold as they were many years ago, thus France would instead align itself with Russia, Italy and even the US (because France shipped the Statue of Liberty to the US in 1886) during the Great War. The eugenics would eventually be focused on genetic engineering as of the 1980s. Even if Nazi Germany doesn't exist, Germany still becomes the Orwellian-like "Eurotransian Union" (Eurotransische Union), which means a lot of trouble for democracy and liberty.
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