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Postby Aeyariss » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:09 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:In any matter Chu is no longer going to be historical Chu so for fun anyone want to place a placeholder name on what was Chu?


Well, they're supposed to be the ancestor to the actual Chu state. But that's years from now.
Plot spoilers.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:11 pm

Aeyariss wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:In any matter Chu is no longer going to be historical Chu so for fun anyone want to place a placeholder name on what was Chu?


Well, they're supposed to be the ancestor to the actual Chu state. But that's years from now.
Plot spoilers.

Surprise?
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If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
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Postby Aeyariss » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:17 pm

Kowani wrote:Surprise?

Actually, I don't even plan that far ahead. I'm just making stories as we go along.
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:20 pm

Aeyariss wrote:
Kowani wrote:Surprise?

Actually, I don't even plan that far ahead. I'm just making stories as we go along.

I have like one idea for the future, and that’s a couple thousand years down the line, sooo…
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If an area was ours for 500 years and yours for 50 years, it should belong to us – you are merely occupiers.
If an area was yours for 500 years and ours for 50 years, it should belong to us – borders must not be changed.
If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
Our dream of greatness is historical necessity, yours is fascism.

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Postby Aeyariss » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:14 pm

Hmm actually Kowani redirecting the rivers only going to help Chu's campaign.
Either way, the Ju is already affected. :lol:
And 150 men 'van' can't defend the locations effectively.

Anyway, Deian, what's Ju capital? or Nearest city on Chu axis of advance?
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Postby Kowani » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:17 pm

Aeyariss wrote:Hmm actually Kowani redirecting the rivers only going to help Chu's campaign.
Either way, the Ju is already affected. :lol:
And 150 men 'van' can't defend the locations effectively.

Anyway, Deian, what's Ju capital? or Nearest city on Chu axis of advance?

They’re not…eh, I’m not spoiling that.
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If an area belonged to us 500 years ago but never since then, it should belong to us – it is the cradle of our nation.
If a majority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must enjoy the right of self-determination.
If a minority of our people live there, it must belong to us – they must be protected against your oppression.
All of the above rules apply to us, but not to you.
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Postby Aeyariss » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:20 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Wait for my post before you make plans. And I'm doing diplomacy. Anyway night.


Take note;

I plan on arriving, set up camps, and then set up negotiation camps between the army and the city gate; then hold a banquet; with almost naked dancing girls, and salted pork as well extravagant rice wine that Chu/Xia has to offer. Unless of course they met some large resistance.

Your king is invited of course; since they all used to serve the Xia dynasty, perhaps they already knew one another.

I might even wrote the scouts noticed someone else is sabotaging the Ju rivers, (since Chu isn't doing that, yet, and the flooding to come is going to affect the Ju''s cities more) and go after their heads and present them to the Ju king. As gesture and token of ...good will? :lol:
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Postby Aeyariss » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:21 pm

Now, where's all the other barbarians/bandit hordes coming to attack?
I need to deal with them swiftly too. :twisted:
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Postby Endem » Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:50 am

Aeyariss wrote:Now, where's all the other barbarians/bandit hordes coming to attack?
I need to deal with them swiftly too. :twisted:

Trying to resolve what would happen with Zhin and my Korean Guy who only got one post so far because no one was playing the emperor back then
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Postby Aeyariss » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:18 am

Endem wrote:Trying to resolve what would happen with Zhin and my Korean Guy who only got one post so far because no one was playing the emperor back then


What's your situation IC wise?
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Postby Endem » Thu Aug 22, 2019 4:37 am

Aeyariss wrote:
Endem wrote:Trying to resolve what would happen with Zhin and my Korean Guy who only got one post so far because no one was playing the emperor back then


What's your situation IC wise?

Well, my Korean guy tried to become the head advisor, but the emperor wasn't played, and Zhin conquered Xingtai on the premise of starting a full out war against the Xia emperor but the emperor was killed
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Postby Strala » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:29 am

Aeyariss wrote:Now, where's all the other barbarians/bandit hordes coming to attack?
I need to deal with them swiftly too. :twisted:

Haha I'm never going to tell you where I'm going to attack, my soon to be duke of shandong.
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Postby Aeyariss » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:44 am

Strala wrote:Haha I'm never going to tell you where I'm going to attack, my soon to be duke of shandong.

It's OK, my power of narrative will tells me how to deal with your troops marching toward Xia/Chu territories. :twisted:

Though Shandong is at the present under Ju Dynasty controls which tries to break away from Xia/Chu.
Go ahead, march and burn as you like.
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Postby Strala » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:05 am

Aeyariss wrote:
Strala wrote:Haha I'm never going to tell you where I'm going to attack, my soon to be duke of shandong.

It's OK, my power of narrative will tells me how to deal with your troops marching toward Xia/Chu territories. :twisted:

Though Shandong is at the present under Ju Dynasty controls which tries to break away from Xia/Chu.
Go ahead, march and burn as you like.

Who cares. Once I crush all opposition then I'll just enfeoff you as the duke of shandong

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Postby Aeyariss » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:09 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I should post...but...migraine, and stuff. But don't want any of y'all to post before I do, so to not mess things up.

You can become NPC for a while and let people down whatever they want to Ju. A suggestion though.
People doesn't seem responding to my military actions after Xia stopped being NPC; might need another NPC.
Also, I know you're not asking, but a piece of advice stop arguing in NSG and Moderation. It gives you migraine and stuff.
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Postby Endem » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:41 am

Aeyariss wrote:
Eternal Lotharia wrote:I should post...but...migraine, and stuff. But don't want any of y'all to post before I do, so to not mess things up.

You can become NPC for a while and let people down whatever they want to Ju. A suggestion though.
People doesn't seem responding to my military actions after Xia stopped being NPC; might need another NPC.
Also, I know you're not asking, but a piece of advice stop arguing in NSG and Moderation. It gives you migraine and stuff.

I have planned a response but then Xia emperor got killed and I don't know what Zhin should do
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Postby Aeyariss » Fri Aug 23, 2019 4:51 am

Endem wrote:I have planned a response but then Xia emperor got killed and I don't know what Zhin should do

Life works in a mysterious way; well, the world is our oyster.
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Postby Aeyariss » Fri Aug 23, 2019 8:35 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:Posted. Kinda suffering writer's block, sorry Aey.

It's not something to apologize, really.

However, we do not desire to be completely subserviant,

So, to what extend does the Ju willing to be subserviant?

I'm thinking;

1. Recognition of the Chu as central imperial powers of China in exchange for recognition of the House of Song and the Ju Kingdom. Hence, maintain the integrity of the Kingdom of Heaven while Ju shall have control and autonomy over Shangdong, and shall be granted the title Lord General That Guards the East

2. Ju shall recognize Emperor Dong Zhao; and only Chu rulers can use the title Emperor; the title King shall be use in return.

3. Military protection shall be granted to the Ju Kingdom by Chu.; in return for military service should central government calls up for men in defense of the realm. (Especially in the fight against the barbarians kingdoms in the South and in the North)

4. Tributes. I'll let the Ju Kingdom decides the % for this one. Gold taels, agricultural products, etc etc.

5. Military cooperation; Ju will not assist Chu enemies and vice versa.


This will be flesh out in IC of course.
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:11 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:If I don't unify the land this time, do you think I've made a good starting situation for my clan-which I could play during the Zhou unification era if I don't win this time-?


Yes, I think so.
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:12 pm

4,000 years long, I'm sure everyone got even chance to win at some point.
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:26 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:True. I built up Jin to be the great hero but unsure whether to fight now or be the Tokugawa to your Oda. Does "visionary founder" make sense as an alternative? I'm still considering fighting or clever tricks, but still, I wonder if the Xia era could be considered like a "Prologue" or if we treat it as a whole chapter equal to the others. Gonna need to think about it.


What do you have in mind?
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:28 pm

Well, I still have no idea how to summon Farn's goddess character.
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:31 pm

I guess it all depends on the narrative though, how you develop the character; etc etc.
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:41 pm

Well, I don't mind, this is a light and easy RP for me. But for that to happen,Song Jin and his house must survive.

So...

Bend the knee. :lol:

Or I'll introduce dracarys with Chinese characteristic.
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Postby Aeyariss » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:52 pm

Eternal Lotharia wrote:I propose that after the Xia era, things become more literal and serious. We reevaluate what worked in the Xia era, the issues, hammer it out, set more ground rules, then make a detailed map and go darker.


Well you're the OP, if its fun for me, I wouldn't mind.
Of course, I prefer if we use real topographic maps and all. Makes tactics and strategy executions far more superior.
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