The Orion Sector (OOC/FT-Nation/Open)

[Ihsalihna]

I mean, it might just be me, but it sounds like your navy is quite above an Tier Three technology rank. At least that's what i get when i hear "Highly advanced nuclear technology, stealth methods, information warfare, drones, holographic illusions, weaponized radiation, mass drivers and powerful railguns are employed in lightening raids, misdirection, asymmetrics and multi-factored strategy. "

I definitely see where you're coming from though. I kinda sugar-coated most things, even in the history part of the app I feel I made the Weave sound far more utopian than it really is. I probably shouldn't have been so vague in listing their strengths as it made some of it seem a bit overpowered.

Highly advanced nuclear technology is derived from the Ja'arādae's long history of nuclear research and culture relationship to it, and mainly translates to extremely efficient reactors that can be downsized and used to propel military vehicles, as well as high-yield and small-scale nuclear weapons with minimized (or maximized) radioactive fallout and residue. Stealth methods aren't perfect - in the navy it would translate to the ability to run "low power" like a submarine and use scanner-deflecting materials, and on land it would be more along the lines of modern stealth; making things harder, but not impossible, to detect and focusing a lot on camouflaging and hiding. I was definitly thinking more along the lines of the Amun-Ra-class from the Expanse rather than cloaking devices. My idea for holograms is that they aren't used on a large scale, and require bulky equipment on small vehicles or stationary projector arrays - they'd primarily be used by stationary fireteams, like snipers or units waiting in ambush, and in space would be used to hide mines and turrets in asteroid and debris fields. The Weave operates on a kind of hi-tech version of the Soviet doctrine of maskirovka.

Information warfare, drones, asymmetric warfare and multi-factored strategy all have their foundation in real-world, modern-day military strategy. They basically view all aspects of war and society - media, culture, economics, resources, environment, combat on a planetary surface, the atmosphere above it, the void of space, etc. - as one big interconnected... weave. In modern military jargon this is called... Fifth Dimension Operations or multidimensional operations, I believe. Hopefully this helps, but if its decided that this is too close to Tier 4 ability I can make changes.

[Shadowwell]

I mean, it might just be me, but it sounds like your navy is quite above an Tier Three technology rank. At least that's what i get when i hear "Highly advanced nuclear technology, stealth methods, information warfare, drones, holographic illusions, weaponized radiation, mass drivers and powerful railguns are employed in lightening raids, misdirection, asymmetrics and multi-factored strategy. "

I definitely see where you're coming from though. I kinda sugar-coated most things, even in the history part of the app I feel I made the Weave sound far more utopian than it really is. I probably shouldn't have been so vague in listing their strengths as it made some of it seem a bit overpowered.

Highly advanced nuclear technology is derived from the Ja'arādae's long history of nuclear research and culture relationship to it, and mainly translates to extremely efficient reactors that can be downsized and used to propel military vehicles, as well as high-yield nuclear weapons with minimized (or maximized) radioactive fallout and residue. Stealth methods aren't perfect - in the navy it would translate to the ability to run "low power" like a submarine and use scanner-deflecting materials, and on land it would be more along the lines of modern stealth; making things harder, but not impossible, to detect and focusing a lot on camouflaging and hiding. I was definitly thinking more along the lines of the Amun-Ra-class from the Expanse rather than cloaking devices. My idea for holograms is that they aren't used on a large scale, and require bulky equipment on small vehicles or stationary projector arrays - they'd primarily be used by stationary fireteams, like snipers or units waiting in ambush, and in space would be used to hide mines and turrets in asteroid and debris fields. The Weave operates on a kind of hi-tech version of the Soviet doctrine of maskirovka.

Information warfare, drones, asymmetric warfare and multi-factored strategy all have their foundation in real-world, modern-day military strategy. They basically view all aspects of war and society - media, culture, economics, resources, environment, combat on a planetary surface, the atmosphere above it, the void of space, etc. - as one big interconnected... weave. In modern military jargon this is called... Fifth Dimension Operations or multidimensional operations, I believe. Hopefully this helps, but if its decided that this is too close to Tier 4 ability I can make changes.

Tier 4 is lower than Tier 3.

The issue isnt the origins of said tech, or why the nation developed them, i believe Skarten's concern is that the technology and such might be beyond that of a tier 3 civilization.

But as i said above, if there is any concern it will be addressed.

[Ihsalihna]

Tier 4 is lower than Tier 3.
The issue isnt the origins of said tech, or why the nation developed them, i believe Skarten's concern is that the technology and such might be beyond that of a tier 3 civilization.
But as i said above, if there is any concern it will be addressed.

Right, I meant Tier 2. Sorry! I had a really crazy day today and I'm all mixed up now.

All I was trying to do was detail what I meant by the tech I listed so Skarten could better decide whether it was appropriate or not, not necessarily justify them. I personally believe that all of what I've listed is within the range of Tier 3, that being nuclear, laser, and magnetic-acceleration/railgun tech and near-future military technology that has basis in the theoretical but near-future stuff we have today. (not including FTL and space travel stuff). But yeah, I'll be defering to you all about it.

[Shadowwell]

Tier 4 is lower than Tier 3.
The issue isnt the origins of said tech, or why the nation developed them, i believe Skarten's concern is that the technology and such might be beyond that of a tier 3 civilization.
But as i said above, if there is any concern it will be addressed.

Right, I meant Tier 2. Sorry! I had a really crazy day today and I'm all mixed up now.

All I was trying to do was detail what I meant by the tech I listed so Skarten could better decide whether it was appropriate or not, not necessarily justify them. I personally believe that all of what I've listed is within the range of Tier 3, that being nuclear, laser, and magnetic-acceleration/railgun tech and near-future military technology that has basis in the theoretical but near-future stuff we have today. (not including FTL and space travel stuff). But yeah, I'll be defering to you all about it.

Could we get more specifics on the tech, the Stealth composites/plating aside, how does the Holographic illusion tech work, and any other details about the rest would be helpful as well, then it would be preferable if that was put in the app as well.

[The United Remnants of America]

I mean, it might just be me, but it sounds like your navy is quite above an Tier Three technology rank. At least that's what i get when i hear "Highly advanced nuclear technology, stealth methods, information warfare, drones, holographic illusions, weaponized radiation, mass drivers and powerful railguns are employed in lightening raids, misdirection, asymmetrics and multi-factored strategy. "

I would say it would depend upon the degree of those technologies.

Stealth methods could mean anything from stealth composites ala the Expanse, to Cloaking generators or some such thing. Same for most of the others, but if there is an issue we will address it soon, hopefully.

Stealth is for cowards. Sort of like ranged weaponry. Both are for cowards who refuse to engage in glorious melee combat.

[Ihsalihna]

Stealth is for cowards. Sort of like ranged weaponry. Both are for cowards who refuse to engage in glorious melee combat.

Oh no. Oh God no.

I didn't make the Covenant

I made the Tau

Could we get more specifics on the tech, the Stealth composites/plating aside, how does the Holographic illusion tech work, and any other details about the rest would be helpful as well, then it would be preferable if that was put in the app as well.

Gotcha, I'll give you a rundown on what I had envisioned for Weave stealth holographics. They work on the same principle as adaptive camoflague theories available today do, using cameras and projections to basically make a screen depicting exactly what's behind you, while hiding you.

The basic system works with at least six stereoscopic pairs of cameras, pointed in every direction to capture a complete image of the surroundings, then a dense array of display elements, in this case holographic projectors, is used to aim light beams on seperate individual trajectories. One limitation is the requirement for a refresh rate faster than the human (or alien) eye in order to avoid creating a flickering effect, which is less difficult to do when the image is stationary - when in motion it's far harder to pull off without the image visibly blurring and glitching. It also requires a really efficient computer to calculate the virtual scene and send to each element of the display.

What this translates into is not a perfect cloaking device, like the thermoptic suit from Ghost in the Shell or Active Camo used by the Covenant in Halo. Weave military use requires the unit, typically infantry or a small vehicle, to be accompanied by a small mech or vehicle similar to a Boston Dynamics BigDog or a Humvee that can carries a small but efficient power generator and computer to run the holographics, and portable light projection devices that can be quickly deployed in about the same time it takes to set up a machine-gun turret. The limitations are obvious - it's not a individual, portable cloaking device, and it has to remain stationary or else it becomes detectable. It's useful for setting up ambushes, hiding sniper teams, and camouflaging outposts or supply depots and that sort of thing. In space combat it would be reserved for projecting an image of a boring old asteroid when really it would have been hollowed out and equipped with a ambush missile launcher sunk into the surface. It wouldn't be able to work on individual soldiers, mechanized columns or naval warships - best they could do would be to rig up a prototype that would show a powered-down warship with giant sparking holes in its sides to try and fool enemies into thinking its disabled, but that would be a multi-billion credit war-time-desperation project sort of deal.

TL;DR - The Weave's holographic camouflage isn't a cloaking device, it's just a really, really hi-tech camouflage net they can throw over buildings or use to make what are basically sci fi hunting blinds and screens. Even when combined with stealth composites and material it can't move around without breaking stealth and it can be detected by foes who know to look for it and use advanced scanners.

Overall my idea of a Tier 3 technological society is based on a sort of early version of Metal Gear Solid, Ghost in the Shell and the UNSC from Halo - but not quite reaching the extent of that technology, of course. They'd use highly mobile mechs, biosynthetic legs on some vehicles, and widespread use of railguns, like Tachikoma and Metal Gear Gekkos and Metal Gear Rex. But they wouldn't have Artificial Intelligence capable of replicating or achieving sentience, as that's Tier 4 tech, and they can't cloak their soldiers or warships and make them invisible - they'd be able to make a specially designed, limited number of stealth frigates like the Amun-Ra in the Expanse, at best.

I'm not sure what other details you need, but I hope this helps and you'll let me know what else needs explaining.

[Shadowwell]

Stealth is for cowards. Sort of like ranged weaponry. Both are for cowards who refuse to engage in glorious melee combat.

Oh no. Oh God no.

I didn't make the Covenant

I made the Tau

Could we get more specifics on the tech, the Stealth composites/plating aside, how does the Holographic illusion tech work, and any other details about the rest would be helpful as well, then it would be preferable if that was put in the app as well.

Gotcha, I'll give you a rundown on what I had envisioned for Weave stealth holographics. They work on the same principle as adaptive camoflague theories available today do, using cameras and projections to basically make a screen depicting exactly what's behind you, while hiding you.

The basic system works with at least six stereoscopic pairs of cameras, pointed in every direction to capture a complete image of the surroundings, then a dense array of display elements, in this case holographic projectors, is used to aim light beams on seperate individual trajectories. One limitation is the requirement for a refresh rate faster than the human (or alien) eye in order to avoid creating a flickering effect, which is less difficult to do when the image is stationary - when in motion it's far harder to pull off without the image visibly blurring and glitching. It also requires a really efficient computer to calculate the virtual scene and send to each element of the display.

What this translates into is not a perfect cloaking device, like the thermoptic suit from Ghost in the Shell or Active Camo used by the Covenant in Halo. Weave military use requires the unit, typically infantry or a small vehicle, to be accompanied by a small mech or vehicle similar to a Boston Dynamics BigDog or a Humvee that can carries a small but efficient power generator and computer to run the holographics, and portable light projection devices that can be quickly deployed in about the same time it takes to set up a machine-gun turret. The limitations are obvious - it's not a individual, portable cloaking device, and it has to remain stationary or else it becomes detectable. It's useful for setting up ambushes, hiding sniper teams, and camouflaging outposts or supply depots and that sort of thing. In space combat it would be reserved for projecting an image of a boring old asteroid when really it would have been hollowed out and equipped with a ambush missile launcher sunk into the surface. It wouldn't be able to work on individual soldiers, mechanized columns or naval warships - best they could do would be to rig up a prototype that would show a powered-down warship with giant sparking holes in its sides to try and fool enemies into thinking its disabled, but that would be a multi-billion credit war-time-desperation project sort of deal.

TL;DR - The Weave's holographic camouflage isn't a cloaking device, it's just a really, really hi-tech camouflage net they can throw over buildings or use to make what are basically sci fi hunting blinds and screens. Even when combined with stealth composites and material it can't move around without breaking stealth and it can be detected by foes who know to look for it and use advanced scanners.

Overall my idea of a Tier 3 technological society is based on a sort of early version of Metal Gear Solid, Ghost in the Shell and the UNSC from Halo - but not quite reaching the extent of that technology, of course. They'd use highly mobile mechs, biosynthetic legs on some vehicles, and widespread use of railguns, like Tachikoma and Metal Gear Gekkos and Metal Gear Rex. But they wouldn't have Artificial Intelligence capable of replicating or achieving sentience, as that's Tier 4 tech, and they can't cloak their soldiers or warships and make them invisible - they'd be able to make a specially designed, limited number of stealth frigates like the Amun-Ra in the Expanse, at best.

I'm not sure what other details you need, but I hope this helps and you'll let me know what else needs explaining.

Well, in Halo they predominantly used Coilguns, not rail guns, Coilguns are a more technologically difficult construct to make. Would the rail-guns be handheld or just for shipboard or anti ship weapons?

I say the holograms could be ok as long as they only block visibility, the way you have described them if they blocked everything in addition to obscuring/disguising things visibly then there could be issues, i think.

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To those involved i got a little post up for the Weseh.

[Europa Undivided]

I’ll begin an expansion drive.

Feel free to react to it

[Ihsalihna]

Would the rail-guns be handheld or just for shipboard or anti ship weapons?

I say the holograms could be ok as long as they only block visibility, the way you have described them if they blocked everything in addition to obscuring/disguising things visibly then there could be issues, i think.

Other than some heavy anti-matériel rifles and long range sniper weapons, railguns would be primarily artillery-scale weapons, shipboard and anti-ship, yes.

And the way I described holograms is that they block visibility, yes. Blocking anything else would require radar-resistant materials and designs - the hologram is a modern-day camo net, hiding things from sight, and the Weave stealth vehicle hidden behind the hologram is a modern-day F-35, which is resistant to being detected by radar. Neither are impossible to detect - just more difficult.

[Turmenista]

Anyone else planning on posting? I'm thinking of sowing some beef between myself and the big boys of the Orion Sector.

[Skarten]

Anyone else planning on posting? I'm thinking of sowing some beef between myself and the big boys of the Orion Sector.

Well, i wouldn't mind having something to include in my post. If i just added the whole conference thing it'd be a bit barebones. By big boys i'm going to guess you mean 1st Rate Powers?

[Shadowwell]

Anyone else planning on posting? I'm thinking of sowing some beef between myself and the big boys of the Orion Sector.

Well, i wouldn't mind having something to include in my post. If i just added the whole conference thing it'd be a bit barebones. By big boys i'm going to guess you mean 1st Rate Powers?

They probably mean established powers.

[The Empire of Tau]

Big ol' post coming soon.

[Shadowwell]

Big ol' post coming soon.

So. Tau, you are going to have to edit your app to remove the mention of the Xin, Goru, Aelid, and others. The OSA races have not been made known to the Orion Arm yet.

And i think it would be best if you ask ay of the other rp'ers if you can use their races and again confirm other matters should they become relevant.

[Anowa]

Big ol' post coming soon.

So. Tau, you are going to have to edit your app to remove the mention of the Xin, Goru, Aelid, and others. The OSA races have not been made known to the Orion Arm yet.

And i think it would be best if you ask ay of the other rp'ers if you can use their races and again confirm other matters should they become relevant.

I would've loved to have been made aware of this.
What's the context?

[Shadowwell]

So. Tau, you are going to have to edit your app to remove the mention of the Xin, Goru, Aelid, and others. The OSA races have not been made known to the Orion Arm yet.

And i think it would be best if you ask ay of the other rp'ers if you can use their races and again confirm other matters should they become relevant.

I would've loved to have been made aware of this.
What's the context?

As members of their nation/fanatic sect.

The Ohelder Path does not discriminate anyone from its beliefs. Over the years, many species has joined the cause. Today, the administrative clergy has categorized minorities and major species in its holdings. 30% of the population is a humanoid-reptilian species, with the rest of the 60% being a mixture of Dansey, Lunn Mutants, Sobani, Telefids, Aelid, Xin, Goru, Ampha, and any other species out there.

[Flecatya]

I don't intend to be a nuisance, but does anyone know how long, on average, it takes for an app to be accepted? I was wondering if it was good as-is or if I ought to edit it.

[Shadowwell]

I don't intend to be a nuisance, but does anyone know how long, on average, it takes for an app to be accepted? I was wondering if it was good as-is or if I ought to edit it.

Does not seem to have issues.

I will bring it up to the others and see where the app stands

[Anowa]

I would've loved to have been made aware of this.
What's the context?

As members of their nation/fanatic sect.

The Ohelder Path does not discriminate anyone from its beliefs. Over the years, many species has joined the cause. Today, the administrative clergy has categorized minorities and major species in its holdings. 30% of the population is a humanoid-reptilian species, with the rest of the 60% being a mixture of Dansey, Lunn Mutants, Sobani, Telefids, Aelid, Xin, Goru, Ampha, and any other species out there.

Bruh moment.

Having a minority of species who haven't made contact outside their seperate circle yet.

[The Empire of Tau]

Did I just do a e p i c Bruh moment?

Damn, that's pretty b r u h of me.

Anyhow, who's willing to give me copyright laws to their race? I gonna edit me race-list.

[Relikai]

Alright App prepped and subject to revisional changes.

[Shadowwell]

viewtopic.php?p=36116035#p36116035 Korvash Domain Shadowwell(me)
viewtopic.php?p=36099461#p36099461 Republic of Antis Ithalian

My own app and Ithalians aside, here's my thoughts on the others.

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viewtopic.php?p=36099915#p36099915 Jurosi Star Federation Relikai

There may be some possible concerns, but as long as Tagali and Ithalian have no issues with the app its good.

viewtopic.php?p=36117698#p36117698 Sevenfold Weave Ihsalihna

You need to add the explanations for the tech into the app, once you do it should be good.

viewtopic.php?p=36115770#p36115770 International Security Council of Ophara Flecatya

App seems solid, will be interesting to see how you incorporate your people into this.

viewtopic.php?p=36114717#p36114717 The Republic of Marun Charmera

I see no issue with the app.

[Gudmund]

Is there one big language everyone speaks? Or is translator tech just really good? Maybe a mix of both, since some races lack the ability to speak.

[Olthenia]

Is there one big language everyone speaks? Or is translator tech just really good? Maybe a mix of both, since some races lack the ability to speak.

If the galaxy lacked a lingua franca per say, I bet investments in translation-y tech would be just as important as weaponry or terraforming.

[The United Remnants of America]

Is there one big language everyone speaks? Or is translator tech just really good? Maybe a mix of both, since some races lack the ability to speak.

Easy, just have a species that lacks the ability to verbally communicate. Problem #Solved.

Is the IC up, by the way?