Great War? What Great War? (OOC)

[Goverment Of The Argentinian State]

Alt History my boy... alt history... but regardless, I dont trade with the United States... If anything most of my trade is with the Ottoman Empire, Austria, France, and more when it comes to funding my war machine... In fact, your nation is not much of a power yet

The end all be all of it is that an embargo by The United States would not slow my war machine

All powers without the oil production necessary to fund the war machine. Also yea alt history, but the point of convergence is 1912, and you did not establish in your app you somehow got lucky discovering oil in Libya. the reason it took till 1950s is because no one had a reason to look there.

Finally are you guys serious? about the United States not being a power? they have the second largest navy in the world and the largest economy, the largest industrial base and the most resources, plus 100 million people. just because they dont choose to go around conquering shit or have a large standing army doesnt mean they arent a power

Italians were extracting oil before the 1950s, it just wasn't that much. Regardless, with no WW1, i don't think oil would be so massively important. Lots of ships would still run on coal and the lower level of demand makes buying from other countries, like Venezuela or Romania, relatively sufficient.

[The Archipelago Territory]

I already sent this to the OPs but I figured I should send it again here:

I think we need to handle the time in the RP better. I’m not trying to complain but it seems unfair that any player can do a timeskip. What if I want to RP a meeting and the date changes?

Also the US was powerful but as of military level it did horrible in WW1

[Dentali]

All powers without the oil production necessary to fund the war machine. Also yea alt history, but the point of convergence is 1912, and you did not establish in your app you somehow got lucky discovering oil in Libya. the reason it took till 1950s is because no one had a reason to look there.

Finally are you guys serious? about the United States not being a power? they have the second largest navy in the world and the largest economy, the largest industrial base and the most resources, plus 100 million people. just because they dont choose to go around conquering shit or have a large standing army doesnt mean they arent a power

Italians were extracting oil before the 1950s, it just wasn't that much. Regardless, with no WW1, i don't think oil would be so massively important. Lots of ships would still run on coal and the lower level of demand makes buying from other countries, like Venezuela or Romania, relatively sufficient.

Yea no WW1 but Italy through its own posts is showing its using oil dependent war machine

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Have to re-edit this

[Sapientia Et Bellum]

Italians were extracting oil before the 1950s, it just wasn't that much. Regardless, with no WW1, i don't think oil would be so massively important. Lots of ships would still run on coal and the lower level of demand makes buying from other countries, like Venezuela or Romania, relatively sufficient.

Yea no WW1 but Italy through its own posts is showing its using oil dependent war machine

150 Fiat 3000s do not take all that much oil lol

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

NS Nation: The Imperial Warglorian Empire
RP Nation: The United Sovereign States of Russia
RP Nation Flag:

Location: Borders of Russian Empire in 1914
Capital: Moscow
Head of State: Alexander Kerensky
Head of Government: Pyotr Wrangel
Population: 211 Million
Alliances?: Eastern European Alliance
Additional Info:
-In 1906, Tsar Nicholas II dissolves the State Duma, but instead of replacing it with new members Nicholas changes his mind and decides to dissolve it for good
-This leads to open revolts as the people, finally tired of this constant oppression, goes into a full rebellion against the Tsar. At first, the Tsar sends in the military, but the military, bluntly tired of shooting their own people, turns around and join the revolutionaries
-With the country in chaos, the Tsar, his government and many Monarchist supporters are quickly overthrown
-After the overthrow, 3 distinct blocs are formed among the rebels: the People's Russia Movement (composed of various democrats and less radical socialists (eg: Social Democrats)), the New Russia Front (composed of authoritarians, militarists, and general right-wingers), and the Bolshevik Union (composed of the Bolsheviks and their extremist radical socialist allies)
-An alliance is formed as the country goes into a brief yet bloody civil war, with the Rebels fighting against the remaining monarchist supporters of Tsar Nicholas II. Though the Tsarists gets much outside help, the massive numerical superiority of the rebels and with the military supporting them soon leads to the Tsarists being defeated in 1907. Some Tsarists are spared and pardoned, but many others are executed and exiled. The status of Tsar Nicholas II and his family in the immediate aftermath is unknown.
-Initially, there is peace, as the Provisional Government rebuilds the country and there's even a brief stage of prosperity. However, tensions among the rebels rise, especially against the Bolsheviks who wish to create the Socialist Utopia they envisioned
-In 1909, the Bolsheviks attempt their own coup, leading to the Second Russian Civil War. The NRF and PRM form an alliance in opposition; this, along with the disliking of the extreme radical socialism that the Bolsheviks uphold by most of the political spectrum, as well as the extreme brutality and infamy of the Bolsheviks, means that the Bolsheviks are massively numerically outnumbered and less supported, as a great many socialists were also on the side of the opposition. The military also chose to side with the opposition.
-In 1911, the Second Russian Civil War ends as the Bolsheviks are crushed
-Wanting to avoid a Third Russian Civil War, and that it meant promoting unity, Pytor Wrangel (leader of the NRF and deputy supreme commander of the Russian Armed Forces) and Alexander Kerensky (a lawyer who quickly rose through the political ranks of the PRM via political manoeuvring and popular support, becoming its leader by the end of the 2nd RCW) formed an alliance, merging the two blocs into the Russian Nationalist Front (NRF) and by 1912 the United Sovereign States of Russia is formed, with Kerensky as President and Wrangel as Prime Minister
-Though there is an initial stage of infighting, the clever manoeuvring of Kerensky and Wrangel pacify and reorganise the government, creating a relatively stable nation
-The USSR is a progressive democratic institution, with everyone allowed a right to vote, it allows people to directly vote for laws and new ideas, with the State Duma acting similarly to a Senate, where officials elected from various areas of the USSR debate, create laws, and overall help run the country, and the Obsud (derived from the word Obsudit, "to debate") where various political parties debate and suggest laws
-Despite having been fighting the Bolsheviks and more extremist socialists, partly because the RSF was composed of many of the remaining socialists who did not abide by the extremist attitude of the Bolsheviks and their allies, the USSR has many socialistic policies, having established social welfare for both peasants and workers, installing factory laws and many more
-Despite the supposed democratic traits of the USSR, it is, at the same time, quite an authoritarian and militarist state, as the military is continued to be used to retain order
-To alleviate the ethnic tension which plagued Russia, the USSR has given more autonomy in their various ethnically non-Russian peoples, creating Semi-Autonomous Republics in Ukraine, Belarus, Finland, the Baltics and Poland. This allows the various territories to set up their own administrations and governments, and elect their own officials. Though overall these various semi-Autonomous Republics still bear loyalty and subservience to Russia, this minimum level of autonomy after centuries of complete and utter oppression has (at least for now) satisfied the various peoples
-Since rising to power in 1912, along with governmental reorganisation, Russia has also gone on a rapid industrialisation spree, attempting to transfer from an agricultural into an industrial state like those in the West. This has included building new factories, railroads, fixing the infrastructure, mechanising the agricultural sector, and much more (with the Russians often hiring many foreign industrialists and foreign equipment to help). By 1918 a significant amount of progress had been made, and Russia is on the road of becoming one of the biggest industrial superpowers in the world
-The Russian Military has gone through many changes and reforms since the fall of the Tsar, becoming much more meritocratic as officers are promoted by merit. The army, navy and airforce have been going through modernisation as foreign advisors are hired to make the Russian Army just as effective as their western counterparts. This, mixed with the ranks of the Russian Military being filled with new intelligent and revolutionary-idea officers (such as Alexi Brusilov) means that the Russian Military continues to grow as a force to be reckoned with
-The USSR uses the modern Russian national anthem

[Goverment Of The Argentinian State]

Yea no WW1 but Italy through its own posts is showing its using oil dependent war machine

150 Fiat 3000s do not take all that much oil lol

Really that is more about logistics than it is the actual tanks, but depends how serious the moderators take that.

[Dentali]

150 Fiat 3000s do not take all that much oil lol

Really that is more about logistics than it is the actual tanks, but depends how serious the moderators take that.

yea lets have them run on magic italy dust

[Duestchstien]

Can we possibly have a rule that a post has to be at least a paragraph... I cant stand one liners

In certain contexts they are acceptable.

I agree with Sapientia Et Bellum one liners are never acceptable. You’re running a nation here posts should be atleast one paragraph long and cover multiple topics. If your having a meeting or message chain with someone, then write the transcript on a word document and have one person post it. Another way would be to have telegrams and have one person copy the telegrams into a factbook. Then copy the factbook into a post.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

In certain contexts they are acceptable.

I agree with Sapientia Et Bellum one liners are never acceptable. You’re running a nation here posts should be atleast one paragraph long and cover multiple topics. If your having a meeting or message chain with someone, then write the transcript on a word document and have one person post it. Another way would be to have telegrams and have one person copy the telegrams into a factbook. Then copy the factbook into a post.

Yeah, even conversation replies, no matter how brief they should be, should hold more than one line, at least 5 (at its barest). If you have nothing else to talk about nation or politics wise, write some abstract thing, like what the people or your leader is thinking.

[The Felan Federation]

So.

Are we allowed to play countries that have territories linked with currently taken ones?

Thinking perhaps playing a Baltic Confederacy.

Or Russian Alaska. A colony perhaps?

Or what else is free?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

So.

Are we allowed to play countries that have territories linked with currently taken ones?

Thinking perhaps playing a Baltic Confederacy.

Or Russian Alaska. A colony perhaps?

Or what else is free?

I think Alaska is owned by the US

And I, apping as Russia, will probably own the Baltics. But because of my lore the various Non-Russian territories of the Empire have become semi-autonomous republics (basically puppets), including the Baltic States

So perhaps you could app as my puppet? Don’t worry, I could give you a lot of autonomy and breathing space to do your own stuff

[Agarntrop]

I already sent this to the OPs but I figured I should send it again here:

I think we need to handle the time in the RP better. I’m not trying to complain but it seems unfair that any player can do a timeskip. What if I want to RP a meeting and the date changes?

Also the US was powerful but as of military level it did horrible in WW1

Just continue the meeting regardless. No problem in being a day or two behind.

[The Felan Federation]

So.

Are we allowed to play countries that have territories linked with currently taken ones?

Thinking perhaps playing a Baltic Confederacy.

Or Russian Alaska. A colony perhaps?

Or what else is free?

I think Alaska is owned by the US

And I, apping as Russia, will probably own the Baltics. But because of my lore the various Non-Russian territories of the Empire have become semi-autonomous republics (basically puppets), including the Baltic States

So perhaps you could app as my puppet? Don’t worry, I could give you a lot of autonomy and breathing space to do your own stuff

Sure. That could work.

Perhaps as something like this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltic_governorates

[Agarntrop]

NS Nation: The Imperial Warglorian Empire
RP Nation: The United Sovereign States of Russia
RP Nation Flag:
(Image)
Location: Borders of Russian Empire in 1914, Iran (puppet)
Capital: Moscow
Head of State: Alexander Kerensky
Head of Government: Pyotr Wrangel
Population: 211 Million
Alliances?: Eastern European Alliance
Additional Info:
-In 1906, Tsar Nicholas II dissolves the State Duma, but instead of replacing it with new members Nicholas changes his mind and decides to dissolve it for good
-This leads to open revolts as the people, finally tired of this constant oppression, goes into a full rebellion against the Tsar. At first, the Tsar sends in the military, but the military, bluntly tired of shooting their own people, turns around and join the revolutionaries
-With the country in chaos, the Tsar, his government and many Monarchist supporters are quickly overthrown
-After the overthrow, 3 distinct blocs are formed among the rebels: the People's Russia Movement (composed of various democrats and less radical socialists (eg: Social Democrats)), the New Russia Front (composed of authoritarians, militarists, and general right-wingers), and the Bolshevik Union (composed of the Bolsheviks and their extremist radical socialist allies)
-An alliance is formed as the country goes into a brief yet bloody civil war, with the Rebels fighting against the remaining monarchist supporters of Tsar Nicholas II. Though the Tsarists gets much outside help, the massive numerical superiority of the rebels and with the military supporting them soon leads to the Tsarists being defeated in 1907. Some Tsarists are spared and pardoned, but many others are executed and exiled. The status of Tsar Nicholas II and his family in the immediate aftermath is unknown.
-Initially, there is peace, as the Provisional Government rebuilds the country and there's even a brief stage of prosperity. However, tensions among the rebels rise, especially against the Bolsheviks who wish to create the Socialist Utopia they envisioned
-In 1909, the Bolsheviks attempt their own coup, leading to the Second Russian Civil War. The NRF and PRM form an alliance in opposition; this, along with the disliking of the extreme radical socialism that the Bolsheviks uphold by most of the political spectrum, as well as the extreme brutality and infamy of the Bolsheviks, means that the Bolsheviks are massively numerically outnumbered and less supported, as a great many socialists were also on the side of the opposition. The military also chose to side with the opposition.
-In 1911, the Second Russian Civil War ends as the Bolsheviks are crushed
-Wanting to avoid a Third Russian Civil War, and that it meant promoting unity, Pytor Wrangel (leader of the NRF and deputy supreme commander of the Russian Armed Forces) and Alexander Kerensky (a lawyer who quickly rose through the political ranks of the PRM via political manoeuvring and popular support, becoming its leader by the end of the 2nd RCW) formed an alliance, merging the two blocs into the Russian Nationalist Front (NRF) and by 1912 the United Sovereign States of Russia is formed, with Kerensky as President and Wrangel as Prime Minister
-Though there is an initial stage of infighting, the clever manoeuvring of Kerensky and Wrangel pacify and reorganise the government, creating a relatively stable nation
-The USSR is a progressive democratic institution, with everyone allowed a right to vote, it allows people to directly vote for laws and new ideas, with the State Duma acting similarly to a Senate, where officials elected from various areas of the USSR debate, create laws, and overall help run the country, and the Obsud (derived from the word Obsudit, "to debate") where various political parties debate and suggest laws
-Despite having been fighting the Bolsheviks and more extremist socialists, partly because the RSF was composed of many of the remaining socialists who did not abide by the extremist attitude of the Bolsheviks and their allies, the USSR has many socialistic policies, having established social welfare for both peasants and workers, installing factory laws and many more
-Despite the supposed democratic traits of the USSR, it is, at the same time, quite an authoritarian and militarist state, as the military is continued to be used to retain order
-To alleviate the ethnic tension which plagued Russia, the USSR has given more autonomy in their various ethnically non-Russian peoples, creating Semi-Autonomous Republics in Ukraine, Belarus, Finland, the Baltics and Poland. This allows the various territories to set up their own administrations and governments, and elect their own officials. Though overall these various semi-Autonomous Republics still bear loyalty and subservience to Russia, this minimum level of autonomy after centuries of complete and utter oppression has (at least for now) satisfied the various peoples
-Since rising to power in 1912, along with governmental reorganisation, Russia has also gone on a rapid industrialisation spree, attempting to transfer from an agricultural into an industrial state like those in the West. This has included building new factories, railroads, fixing the infrastructure, mechanising the agricultural sector, and much more (with the Russians often hiring many foreign industrialists and foreign equipment to help). By 1918 a significant amount of progress had been made, and Russia is on the road of becoming one of the biggest industrial superpowers in the world
-The Russian Military has gone through many changes and reforms since the fall of the Tsar, becoming much more meritocratic as officers are promoted by merit. The army, navy and airforce have been going through modernisation as foreign advisors are hired to make the Russian Army just as effective as their western counterparts. This, mixed with the ranks of the Russian Military being filled with new intelligent and revolutionary-idea officers (such as Alexi Brusilov) means that the Russian Military continues to grow as a force to be reckoned with
-During this time, the USSR has also expanded interests in Persia, further putting pressure on the nation for years. This all culminated in 1917 where, as the country fell into famine, a coup was launched and a new government was established in Persia. The Russians proceeded to send mass aid to Persia, helping to relieve the famine and securing the loyalty of the nation
-The USSR uses the modern Russian national anthem

Accepted.

[Dentali]

So.

Are we allowed to play countries that have territories linked with currently taken ones?

Thinking perhaps playing a Baltic Confederacy.

Or Russian Alaska. A colony perhaps?

Or what else is free?

I think Alaska is owned by the US

And I, apping as Russia, will probably own the Baltics. But because of my lore the various Non-Russian territories of the Empire have become semi-autonomous republics (basically puppets), including the Baltic States

So perhaps you could app as my puppet? Don’t worry, I could give you a lot of autonomy and breathing space to do your own stuff

They can have Alaska over the cold dead body of Uncle Sam

[The Archipelago Territory]

I think Alaska is owned by the US

And I, apping as Russia, will probably own the Baltics. But because of my lore the various Non-Russian territories of the Empire have become semi-autonomous republics (basically puppets), including the Baltic States

So perhaps you could app as my puppet? Don’t worry, I could give you a lot of autonomy and breathing space to do your own stuff

They can have Alaska over the cold dead body of Uncle Sam

Add King George to that list

[Nuxipal]

Question, how AU can we make our nation? What kind of Point of Divergence am I looking at here?

Nation idea is a rising Persian Empire pressing into the Ottoman holdings as instability prevents them from holding onto the fertile crescent. The reason for the PoD question, was seeing if it could be Zoroastrian. If not that's fine, if the below map is alright for starting borders I'll fill out an app a little later today.


Map

[The Archipelago Territory]

Question, how AU can we make our nation? What kind of Point of Divergence am I looking at here?

Nation idea is a rising Persian Empire pressing into the Ottoman holdings as instability prevents them from holding onto the fertile crescent. The reason for the PoD question, was seeing if it could be Zoroastrian. If not that's fine, if the below map is alright for starting borders I'll fill out an app a little later today.


Map

1912/1914 is the point of divergence

[Agarntrop]

Question, how AU can we make our nation? What kind of Point of Divergence am I looking at here?

Nation idea is a rising Persian Empire pressing into the Ottoman holdings as instability prevents them from holding onto the fertile crescent. The reason for the PoD question, was seeing if it could be Zoroastrian. If not that's fine, if the below map is alright for starting borders I'll fill out an app a little later today.


Map

Iran is occupied by Russia. Sorry

[The Archipelago Territory]

Question, how AU can we make our nation? What kind of Point of Divergence am I looking at here?

Nation idea is a rising Persian Empire pressing into the Ottoman holdings as instability prevents them from holding onto the fertile crescent. The reason for the PoD question, was seeing if it could be Zoroastrian. If not that's fine, if the below map is alright for starting borders I'll fill out an app a little later today.


Map

Iran is occupied by Russia. Sorry

Maybe Saudi/Oman

Also you could use Iran if russia allows you to puppet as iran

[The Archipelago Territory]

Or you could be the British colonies of Yemen/Oman if you want to work with me

[Dentali]

What the hell? WHy are the brits just bumbling into war in the congo? just flat out war, no warnings or diplomatic overtures just flat out invasion based on a very vague and unproven claim. Parliament is going to be livid as is public opinion in Britain, plus NONE of the country is prepared to go to war, 0 mobilization for a conflict that will involve other european powers. Where are the conferences, the concert of europe which has kept it at relative peace for a century?

[The Archipelago Territory]

What the hell? WHy are the brits just bumbling into war in the congo? just flat out war, no warnings or diplomatic overtures just flat out invasion based on a very vague and unproven claim. Parliament is going to be livid as is public opinion in Britain, plus NONE of the country is prepared to go to war, 0 mobilization for a conflict that will involve other european powers. Where are the conferences, the concert of europe which has kept it at relative peace for a century?

We supported Beligium that’s it

[Agarntrop]

What the hell? WHy are the brits just bumbling into war in the congo? just flat out war, no warnings or diplomatic overtures just flat out invasion based on a very vague and unproven claim. Parliament is going to be livid as is public opinion in Britain, plus NONE of the country is prepared to go to war, 0 mobilization for a conflict that will involve other european powers. Where are the conferences, the concert of europe which has kept it at relative peace for a century?

We supported Beligium that’s it

I swear Arch you are on incredibly thin ice.