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Postby Dentali » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:39 pm

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“Fine, when I get a warrant from a FISC court I’ll come back here and present the evidence. If you don’t want to be a part of this, that’s fine, I can understand why. But this is a deep state figure, and I’m not going to sit around while he commits more crimes.”

He never said anything about lying.



Do you know what a FISC court is?

EDIT: its for going after terrorists and foreign spies
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:40 pm

Dentali wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:He never said anything about lying.



Do you know what a FISC court is?

EDIT: its for going after terrorists and foreign spies

Actually it’s not because Obama, Trump, and Bush used it for getting leakers like Snowden or just random people
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:51 pm

The smoothness of his brain is blinding....
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 3:52 pm

Tallahassee News Station wrote:The smoothness of his brain is blinding....

My other response was just "wE LiVe iN A sOcIEtY"
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:00 pm

How's that for an attempt at a logical checkmate on twitter?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:33 pm

9.5/10 leftists are experts in Obscure Ideologyology

Source: Experience
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Postby Dentali » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:05 pm

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Dentali wrote:

Do you know what a FISC court is?

EDIT: its for going after terrorists and foreign spies

Actually it’s not because Obama, Trump, and Bush used it for getting leakers like Snowden or just random people



do you not understand the point here? About abuse
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Postby Prolieum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:12 pm

Zipporah's patience is being stretched.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:17 pm

Prolieum wrote:Zipporah's patience is being stretched.

Taylor's considering a career in teaching economics with how much he's had to explain.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:19 pm

Dentali wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Actually it’s not because Obama, Trump, and Bush used it for getting leakers like Snowden or just random people



do you not understand the point here? About abuse

In RL it’s abuse. But if Reed wanted to end that, he should have. Otherwise it would still be done if he didn’t officially end the practice. I’m not gonna have Miller do it anyways though.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:20 pm

How did Taylor graduate high school let alone get into Yale?

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Postby Dentali » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:20 pm

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Dentali wrote:

do you not understand the point here? About abuse

In RL it’s abuse. But if Reed wanted to end that, he should have. Otherwise it would still be done if he didn’t officially end the practice. I’m not gonna have Miller do it anyways though.


HE RAN ON IT
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:25 pm

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The Archipelago Territory wrote:In RL it’s abuse. But if Reed wanted to end that, he should have. Otherwise it would still be done if he didn’t officially end the practice. I’m not gonna have Miller do it anyways though.


HE RAN ON IT

Did he keep the promise? Well actually Pro hasn’t really mentioned him doing anything.

Pro did he do anything to make the illegal surveillance practices more fair?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:27 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:How did Taylor graduate high school let alone get into Yale?

Mutualism is a legitimate political ideology and that is how stocks work.
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“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:29 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:How did Taylor graduate high school let alone get into Yale?

Mutualism is a legitimate political ideology and that is how stocks work.

So Taylor’s idea of solving capitalism is to make every company have a carbon coby of Huawei’s structure?
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:31 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Mutualism is a legitimate political ideology and that is how stocks work.

So Taylor’s idea of solving capitalism is to make every company have a carbon coby of Huawei’s structure?

It's not. He's just explaining how socialism can exist within the free market.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:32 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Mutualism is a legitimate political ideology and that is how stocks work.

So Taylor’s idea of solving capitalism is to make every company have a carbon coby of Huawei’s structure?

Also cooperatives require a horizontal organisation and democratic structuring but that's outside of the scope of the discussion.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:33 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:So Taylor’s idea of solving capitalism is to make every company have a carbon coby of Huawei’s structure?

It's not. He's just explaining how socialism can exist within the free market.

Taylor just described stock options then

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Postby Prolieum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:35 pm

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Dentali wrote:
HE RAN ON IT

Did he keep the promise? Well actually Pro hasn’t really mentioned him doing anything.

Pro did he do anything to make the illegal surveillance practices more fair?


He did and has continued to endorse a bill that would dramatically curtail government surveillance powers, but that bill remains in Congress, and the issue has not yet received a concentrated push over the early term.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:36 pm

Prolieum wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Did he keep the promise? Well actually Pro hasn’t really mentioned him doing anything.

Pro did he do anything to make the illegal surveillance practices more fair?


He did and has continued to endorse a bill that would dramatically curtail government surveillance powers, but that bill remains in Congress, and the issue has not yet received a concentrated push over the early term.

He could probably manually remove agency rules that allow the illegal surveillance since he’s the President.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:37 pm

Taylor just continues to get more and more astounded every moment of this conversation.
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Postby Prolieum » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:41 pm

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
He did and has continued to endorse a bill that would dramatically curtail government surveillance powers, but that bill remains in Congress, and the issue has not yet received a concentrated push over the early term.

He could probably manually remove agency rules that allow the illegal surveillance since he’s the President.


As noted, the issue has not received concentrated focus among the various policy efforts and fires of the administration thus far, with the significant exception of Rainden's pardoning.
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Postby Dentali » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:43 pm

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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:So Taylor’s idea of solving capitalism is to make every company have a carbon coby of Huawei’s structure?

It's not. He's just explaining how socialism can exist within the free market.



you need to look up definitions of things
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:49 pm

Dentali wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:It's not. He's just explaining how socialism can exist within the free market.



you need to look up definitions of things

Socialism: An ideology which believes that the means of production should be controlled by the workers directly, or indirectly through the government.

Also, I'm going to press the argument by definition fallacy if you don't mind.
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Postby Dentali » Mon Jul 22, 2019 5:54 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Dentali wrote:

you need to look up definitions of things

Socialism: An ideology which believes that the means of production should be controlled by the workers directly, or indirectly through the government.

Also, I'm going to press the argument by definition fallacy if you don't mind.


You realize what the stock market is? That money and finance is means of production
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