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[The World Capitalist Confederation]

What if we just went through a war and you gave me Catalonia after I defeated you? That'll give you some revanchism and some military fervour.

He does make a good point, this empire would have Spanish, French, Italians, Swiss, and Spanish people all in one state. I’d say pick either France and Aragon or France Italy but all of them is a little much, give yourself something to do ICly as well.

This is pre-nationalism but I'll stick with France/Savoy/Milan then. Also, I don't think Savoy or Milan contain any Swiss people. And about a third of Switzerland is French anyway, so...

[Rygondria]

I was thinking of doing a loose confederation of italian city states and maybe what was Naples modeled after a mixture of the old greek leagues and the roman republic, with some of then more native aspects of the italian State

[Freakoland]

NS Name: Empire of Freakoland
Nation: Kingdom of the Netherlands
Location: Netherlands, Belgium, Ceylon, Dutch Guyana, Curaçao
Population: 3 million
Capital: Amsterdam
Other Important Cities: Rotterdam, The Hague, Colombo

Government Explanation: Constitutional Monarchy (basically modern Dutch government but in 1750
Leader: King Wilhelm V
Other Gov. Info:

Economic Explanation: Same IRL, huge economy from trade of spices in the East Indies, relatively small domestic economy
Infrastructure Explanation: Dikes, dirt roads, multiple ports
Foreign Relations: Allied with UK, despise the Spanish and the French

Military Size: 70,000
Land Force Breakdown: Same IRL
Naval Force Breakdown: Same IRL

History: Same IRL, except after secession from Spain it formed constitutional monarchy

[Sarderistan]

To OP: we could set up a discord server

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

To OP: we could set up a discord server

NO DISCORD.

[The neo glactic empire]

French canadian colonies are yours
However i reserved the british empire before

So, umm..you reserved 1/4 of the planet?

Oh dear no
I simply reserved the 1750 british empire

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

So, umm..you reserved 1/4 of the planet?

Oh dear no
I simply reserved the 1750 british empire

Then I took very little of your territory.

[The neo glactic empire]

Oh dear no
I simply reserved the 1750 british empire

Then I took very little of your territory.

Can you point it on a map

[Nea Byzantia]

Then I took very little of your territory.

Can you point it on a map

A Map would be very helpful.

[Sarderistan]

And that sums pretty much of my application. OP, please review, it's not WIP anymore

[Benuty]

I guess since the Atlantic colonies are gone I am going to place a reservation on the pacific northwest especially the following areas.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... utcaEN.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Oregoncountry2.png

I essentially want to play as British parliamentarian exiles who fled to the far outskirts of the known world.

[Nea Byzantia]

[ENLIGHTENMENT - For Tracking]
NS Name: Nea Byzantia
Nation: Eastern Roman Empire
Location: Greece, Anatolia, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, southern Italy, Sicily
Population: 11 million
Capital: Constantinople
Other Important Cities: Thessaloniki, Corinth, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Naples, Palermo

Government Explanation: WIP
Leader: Emperor Romanos V Paraklesios (ruled: 1707 AD - Present)
Other Gov. Info: WIP

Economic Explanation: WIP
Infrastructure Explanation: WIP
Foreign Relations: WIP

Military Size: WIP
Land Force Breakdown: WIP
Naval Force Breakdown: WIP

History: WIP

Is my app good so far, OP?

[Vyzantinis]

So, umm..you reserved 1/4 of the planet?

Oh dear no
I simply reserved the 1750 british empire

Yeah sorry I'm gonna be that guy but this is 1570, not 1750. Byzantine control of Anatolia and most of Mesopotamia means that the drive for American exploration and colonisation would be much lesser than in our timeline, so how are you going to justify colonising Hudson Bay, Newfoundland, the 13 Colonies, Bermuda, the Bahamas, Jamaica and having unified all of the UK? It just seems unfeasible.
Oops, misread OP

[Sarderistan]

[ENLIGHTENMENT - For Tracking]
NS Name: Nea Byzantia
Nation: Eastern Roman Empire
Location: Greece, Anatolia, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, southern Italy, Sicily
Population: 11 million
Capital: Constantinople
Other Important Cities: Thessaloniki, Corinth, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, Naples, Palermo

Government Explanation: WIP
Leader: Emperor Romanos V Paraklesios (ruled: 1707 AD - Present)
Other Gov. Info: WIP

Economic Explanation: WIP
Infrastructure Explanation: WIP
Foreign Relations: WIP

Military Size: WIP
Land Force Breakdown: WIP
Naval Force Breakdown: WIP

History: WIP

Is my app good so far, OP?

How do you have egypt and palestine back? Just a curiosity.

(And I think 11m is too low, gotta raise that number)

[Nea Byzantia]

Oh dear no
I simply reserved the 1750 british empire

Yeah sorry I'm gonna be that guy but this is 1570, not 1750. Byzantine control of Anatolia and most of Mesopotamia means that the drive for American exploration and colonisation would be much lesser than in our timeline, so how are you going to justify colonising Hudson Bay, Newfoundland, the 13 Colonies, Bermuda, the Bahamas, Jamaica and having unified all of the UK? It just seems unfeasible.

But it says 1750, though, not 1570.

[Nea Byzantia]

Is my app good so far, OP?

How do you have egypt and palestine back? Just a curiosity.

(And I think 11m is too low, gotta raise that number)

Conquest with support of the local Christians - who would've been a sizeable enough portion of the population to help such an effort.

[Vyzantinis]

Yeah sorry I'm gonna be that guy but this is 1570, not 1750. Byzantine control of Anatolia and most of Mesopotamia means that the drive for American exploration and colonisation would be much lesser than in our timeline, so how are you going to justify colonising Hudson Bay, Newfoundland, the 13 Colonies, Bermuda, the Bahamas, Jamaica and having unified all of the UK? It just seems unfeasible.

But it says 1750, though, not 1570.

Oh man I feel like a total idiot now. I misread the OP as 1570 the other day and I started my app around that

[Nea Byzantia]

But it says 1750, though, not 1570.

Oh man I feel like a total idiot now. I misread the OP as 1570 the other day and I started my app around that

Don't feel bad. It happens to all of us.

[Kowani]

Taggety for later.

[Sarderistan]

How do you have egypt and palestine back? Just a curiosity.

(And I think 11m is too low, gotta raise that number)

Conquest with support of the local Christians - who would've been a sizeable enough portion of the population to help such an effort.

U do realize by 1200s most of them are already muslims right? Repelling a Turkish invasion is one; Byzantium may have gotten their nation together again to be a force. But invading an entire Caliphate?

[Nea Byzantia]

Conquest with support of the local Christians - who would've been a sizeable enough portion of the population to help such an effort.

U do realize by 1200s most of them are already muslims right? Repelling a Turkish invasion is one; Byzantium may have gotten their nation together again to be a force. But invading an entire Caliphate?

There's no one Caliphate at that point, though...so its still possible for Byzantium to liberate some coastal regions of Lebanon and Palestine, as well as Egypt.

[Sarderistan]

U do realize by 1200s most of them are already muslims right? Repelling a Turkish invasion is one; Byzantium may have gotten their nation together again to be a force. But invading an entire Caliphate?

There's no one Caliphate at that point, though...so its still possible for Byzantium to liberate some coastal regions of Lebanon and Palestine, as well as Egypt.

The Ayyubids, the Abbasids, the Atabegs of Mosul, Damascus, remnants of Rum (if they've been shattered), not to mention Almohads and Khwarezms as their allies? Oh and the Arabian tribes at the penninsula: Najd, Hejaz, Jabal Shammar, etc

[Nea Byzantia]

There's no one Caliphate at that point, though...so its still possible for Byzantium to liberate some coastal regions of Lebanon and Palestine, as well as Egypt.

The Ayyubids, the Abbasids, the Atabegs of Mosul, Damascus, remnants of Rum (if they've been shattered), not to mention Almohads and Khwarezms as their allies? Oh and the Arabian tribes at the penninsula: Najd, Hejaz, Jabal Shammar, etc

Yeah, but do the Mongols still come rolling through? Also, if Byzantium began recovering in the 1200s, couldn't they have seized Egypt from the ailing Ayyubids before the Mamelukes could do anything? Couldn't they have done the same with some regions in Lebanon and Syria?

[Vyzantinis]

Conquest with support of the local Christians - who would've been a sizeable enough portion of the population to help such an effort.

U do realize by 1200s most of them are already muslims right? Repelling a Turkish invasion is one; Byzantium may have gotten their nation together again to be a force. But invading an entire Caliphate?

The Ayyubids were weakened without Saladin. It would be easy to use the Syro-Egyptian split as justification for easy war. After all, it was a split between the Romanos IV and John Doukas that lost the Byzantines Manzikert. Tensions in the army camp are deadly!

[Sarderistan]

The Ayyubids, the Abbasids, the Atabegs of Mosul, Damascus, remnants of Rum (if they've been shattered), not to mention Almohads and Khwarezms as their allies? Oh and the Arabian tribes at the penninsula: Najd, Hejaz, Jabal Shammar, etc

Yeah, but do the Mongols still come rolling through? Also, if Byzantium began recovering in the 1200s, couldn't they have seized Egypt from the ailing Ayyubids before the Mamelukes could do anything? Couldn't they have done the same with some regions in Lebanon and Syria?

1st point why the Crusaders lost: they attacked Damascus, an Arabian ally. This prompted all the Levantine city-states and the Atabeg of Mosul to ally against the Christians. The Mongols had struck a blow to the Islamic world, yes, but their reign in Mesopotamia is short, and Egypt is left untouched by them; this IRL-ly gave the chance for Turkic tribes to fill the void and estabilish their own kingdoms. Egypt by this point is still in Ayyubid (Saladin) control and rivalled even Byzantium at Emperor Heraclius' time in population and army, not to mention the Mongols retreating because dynastic conflict.

You can gain Syria and Mesopotamia, and have a hard time converting all the Muslims there plus the Turkic horde that'll begin rebelling, and unless you got a whole Europe at your side you can't pick up Egypt.