Game Of Crowns - A Feudal RP - OOC/Landgrab

[Torrocca]

I totally get all that, but at the same time, my suggestions for keeping him alive also play into RP, and perhaps at a much greater level than merely killing the man and being done with it. Yeah, you could kill him and spur my countess into going to war, but where's the fun in having a slaughter when there's so many more possibilities tied to political intrigue and the like with having him alive? I understand your people have cultural and religious reasons for wanting him dead, but at the same time, there should be people within who can see the importance of him as a prisoner and convince Meikarn about the benefits of keeping him as such, considering they saw him arrive as a literal knight in shining armor. Perhaps one of his brothers could mistake the man for higher nobility, considering his overly-arrogant attitude, his complete suit of armor, and whatnot?

I personally feel like it'd be a lot better for the long-term RP to spare him, although I ultimately don't mind too much if he dies.

I don't know where you got the impression that the military men saw him as a knight in shining armour. Nobody is used to somebody clad in steel just strolling along on a big horse. I reckon that there might be people who would want to keep him around, if they knew how to speak his language, and if they didn't follow that weird religion, but I'm pretty sure that everyone in the camp sees him as a thief for stealing property from the god of steel, and again, Meikarn would be a fool to grant him mercy.

Also: Nobility is very different south of the frontier. You've got Hoptlincks with their own lands and territories, but they don't really have a feudal society. The hoptlinck often works the lands together with the peasants, and is just their chosen representative to deal with the order and their taxes/levy requests. They don't have the social standing and prestige of medieval nobility, and aren't treated as demi-gods by the people around them.

I got it from this (though wrongly associated it with something that the others would've also recognized):

"He looked upon the knight in the ground, and recognized his shining armour. Most men did not know about Caslyvairan heavy cavalry, but he knew. He knew how destructive they were in the field, and how he would have to do everything he possibly could to make sure that these knights did not show up when he and his men chevauchée'd the countryside."

That said, you've already established Meikarn as somebody who recognizes Caslyvaire's nobility by their dress and armor, which I figured should mean he'd be understanding of the man's social status and would use that understanding to explore options that'd hurt Caslyvaire far beyond mere execution.

[Finland SSR]

*** IMPORTANT ***

*** From year 5 and on, architect trait only reduces labor costs, and only for buildings that cost 2 labor or more! ***

When I designed the traits, buildings were more expensive. Now they are dirt cheap and architect lets you build some for free... It had to be nerfed.

Did we even have any character with the Architect trait?

[The GAmeTopians]

*** IMPORTANT ***

*** From year 5 and on, architect trait only reduces labor costs, and only for buildings that cost 2 labor or more! ***

When I designed the traits, buildings were more expensive. Now they are dirt cheap and architect lets you build some for free... It had to be nerfed.

Did we even have any character with the Architect trait?

Yes. Dunno who, but I saw at least one in IC. Was regretting not taking it when I realized how OP it was

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

I don't know where you got the impression that the military men saw him as a knight in shining armour. Nobody is used to somebody clad in steel just strolling along on a big horse. I reckon that there might be people who would want to keep him around, if they knew how to speak his language, and if they didn't follow that weird religion, but I'm pretty sure that everyone in the camp sees him as a thief for stealing property from the god of steel, and again, Meikarn would be a fool to grant him mercy.

Also: Nobility is very different south of the frontier. You've got Hoptlincks with their own lands and territories, but they don't really have a feudal society. The hoptlinck often works the lands together with the peasants, and is just their chosen representative to deal with the order and their taxes/levy requests. They don't have the social standing and prestige of medieval nobility, and aren't treated as demi-gods by the people around them.

I got it from this (though wrongly associated it with something that the others would've also recognized):

"He looked upon the knight in the ground, and recognized his shining armour. Most men did not know about Caslyvairan heavy cavalry, but he knew. He knew how destructive they were in the field, and how he would have to do everything he possibly could to make sure that these knights did not show up when he and his men chevauchée'd the countryside."

That said, you've already established Meikarn as somebody who recognizes Caslyvaire's nobility by their dress and armor, which I figured should mean he'd be understanding of the man's social status and would use that understanding to explore options that'd hurt Caslyvaire far beyond mere execution.

Understanding a person's martial prowess is very different to understanding their role in society.

[Torrocca]

I got it from this (though wrongly associated it with something that the others would've also recognized):

"He looked upon the knight in the ground, and recognized his shining armour. Most men did not know about Caslyvairan heavy cavalry, but he knew. He knew how destructive they were in the field, and how he would have to do everything he possibly could to make sure that these knights did not show up when he and his men chevauchée'd the countryside."

That said, you've already established Meikarn as somebody who recognizes Caslyvaire's nobility by their dress and armor, which I figured should mean he'd be understanding of the man's social status and would use that understanding to explore options that'd hurt Caslyvaire far beyond mere execution.

Understanding a person's martial prowess is very different to understanding their role in society.

True, but, regarding that, then, wouldn't Meikarn see the knight's martial prowess as a trait earning the knight more than just a pitiful execution on a muddy field, like perhaps a fight for his own life or somesuch thing?

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Labstoska! Grand Malevor!

The results of the current conflict between House Roswald and House Eadwald are as follows:

1x Spear Retinue and 2x Militia Band of House Eadwald have crossed the Green River and assaulted Highcastle, ancient seat of House Roswald. In House Roswald's defense stands 1x Archer Retinue, led by their lord and patron, Rhyman Roswald.

In the initial phase of the engagement, House Roswald's loyal bowmen lay down a withering hail of arrow fire. Soundly led as they are by a renowned Military Planner, an entire band of Anglthorn militiamen are soon scattered and in full retreat.
(Archer Retinue (Strength 2) + Military Planner (+2) = Strength 4.)
(Militia (Morale 2 - 4) = Moral -2. 1x Militia is forced to retreat!)

In the following phase, however - House Eadwald's remaining militiamen as well as the liveried spearmen of their own lord's household guard bear down upon their foes. There, upon a humble hill by the banks of the Green River, a bloody melee soon commences as shouts of "Roswald! House Roswald!" are met by the skirls and trills of House Eadwald's battle-horns. The ranks clash, and the ground is soon sodden with the blood of the fallen.
(Spear Retinue (Strength 2) and Militia Band (Strength 2) = Strength 4.)
(Archer Retinue (Morale 3 - 4 = -1. 1x Archer Retinue is forced to retreat!)

Alas, although the serried ranks of House Roswald's bowmen give a good account of themselves, the force and fury of House Eadwald's assault is simply too much to bear. They are forced to retreat, leaving their fallen behind. House Eadwald thus stands victorious, with the lands of House Roswald open to their pillaging.

So it goes.

Yes I can finally post!

[Ameriganastan]

I've fallen way behind and don't really get how these turns work. So I'm dropping out.

[Finland SSR]

I've fallen way behind and don't really get how these turns work. So I'm dropping out.

Ah darn.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

Understanding a person's martial prowess is very different to understanding their role in society.

True, but, regarding that, then, wouldn't Meikarn see the knight's martial prowess as a trait earning the knight more than just a pitiful execution on a muddy field, like perhaps a fight for his own life or somesuch thing?

No, because a knight gets his martial prowess through steeling from the god of lumber. He doesn't know this guy personally, and doesn't know much about knights. He knows that they're tough to kill, and that some may be alright at swordfighting, but this is a steel man that rode in on a horse with a foreign banner. Nothing about this dude tells Meikarn that he's respected or worthy of mercy/respect. Especially because he got himself disarmed and dismounted rather quickly.

[Torrocca]

True, but, regarding that, then, wouldn't Meikarn see the knight's martial prowess as a trait earning the knight more than just a pitiful execution on a muddy field, like perhaps a fight for his own life or somesuch thing?

No, because a knight gets his martial prowess through steeling from the god of lumber. He doesn't know this guy personally, and doesn't know much about knights. He knows that they're tough to kill, and that some may be alright at swordfighting, but this is a steel man that rode in on a horse with a foreign banner. Nothing about this dude tells Meikarn that he's respected or worthy of mercy/respect. Especially because he got himself disarmed and dismounted rather quickly.

I mean, your post I quoted a bit back did explicitly imply Meikarn seemed to fear Caslyvaire's knights as a destructive force devastating to The Order's northward raids, so would it really matter to him whether or not this was a man he knew personally, when he could have a duel or some such thing with him and inspire even greater confidence in his people by being a bonafide knight-killer?

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

No, because a knight gets his martial prowess through steeling from the god of lumber. He doesn't know this guy personally, and doesn't know much about knights. He knows that they're tough to kill, and that some may be alright at swordfighting, but this is a steel man that rode in on a horse with a foreign banner. Nothing about this dude tells Meikarn that he's respected or worthy of mercy/respect. Especially because he got himself disarmed and dismounted rather quickly.

I mean, your post I quoted a bit back did explicitly imply Meikarn seemed to fear Caslyvaire's knights as a destructive force devastating to The Order's northward raids, so would it really matter to him whether or not this was a man he knew personally, when he could have a duel or some such thing with him and inspire even greater confidence in his people by being a bonafide knight-killer?

He'd be a bonified knight killer either way. Meikarn isn't a grand strategists or clever. He's completely illiterate, and is in many ways comparable to the uncivilized brutish warrior that westerners imagine when they think of warriors. Giving a man that is in his custody the chance to defend/redeem himself in a duel of honour might be a respectable and good thing to do, especially according to the rules of chivalry, but it's not something that the Ordensfulk would see as a good thing. Meikarn would just be delaying Sir Renzio's execution.

[Torrocca]

I mean, your post I quoted a bit back did explicitly imply Meikarn seemed to fear Caslyvaire's knights as a destructive force devastating to The Order's northward raids, so would it really matter to him whether or not this was a man he knew personally, when he could have a duel or some such thing with him and inspire even greater confidence in his people by being a bonafide knight-killer?

He'd be a bonified knight killer either way. Meikarn isn't a grand strategists or clever. He's completely illiterate, and is in many ways comparable to the uncivilized brutish warrior that westerners imagine when they think of warriors. Giving a man that is in his custody the chance to defend/redeem himself in a duel of honour might be a respectable and good thing to do, especially according to the rules of chivalry, but it's not something that the Ordensfulk would see as a good thing. Meikarn would just be delaying Sir Renzio's execution.

Ah, but that's the thing: he's an uncivilized, brutish warrior, like you said. Surely he'd revel in the opportunity to personally fight an opponent that he's deemed to be a force of destruction, as he apparently sees knights of Caslyvaire, no? It seems rather uncharacteristic of a brutish warrior to avoid a good fight to instead execute a person whom he apparently sees as a renowned warrior despite his immediate circumstance.

I really think it'd make for a bit of a better story if things go down that route, instead, to be quite honest.

[Harkback Union]

I've fallen way behind and don't really get how these turns work. So I'm dropping out.

I can always help you guys with turns, even write them for you entirely.

[Harkback Union]

I've been waiting for Magsylvanians to post their reaction to the promotion, I'll give them a little more time, then appoint another chancellor.

[Harkback Union]

I'm..getting mixed signals; do I wait to be accepted or can I just post IC now?

Sorry about the delays, I think you should be good to go.

Note that any applications with provinces past XXV are considered to be outside the remnant empire, with complete independence.

[Vrijstaat Limburg]

He'd be a bonified knight killer either way. Meikarn isn't a grand strategists or clever. He's completely illiterate, and is in many ways comparable to the uncivilized brutish warrior that westerners imagine when they think of warriors. Giving a man that is in his custody the chance to defend/redeem himself in a duel of honour might be a respectable and good thing to do, especially according to the rules of chivalry, but it's not something that the Ordensfulk would see as a good thing. Meikarn would just be delaying Sir Renzio's execution.

Ah, but that's the thing: he's an uncivilized, brutish warrior, like you said. Surely he'd revel in the opportunity to personally fight an opponent that he's deemed to be a force of destruction, as he apparently sees knights of Caslyvaire, no? It seems rather uncharacteristic of a brutish warrior to avoid a good fight to instead execute a person whom he apparently sees as a renowned warrior despite his immediate circumstance.

I really think it'd make for a bit of a better story if things go down that route, instead, to be quite honest.

A warrior is not categorized for his inability to execute somebody. If justice has to be served, it wouldn't make human sense for him to go out his way and fight the person who's undeniably done something horrible when he has the upper hand. To be skilled in warfare does not equate giving somebody the ability to redeem themselves in a duel. Chivalry and warrior codes might be typical for the west, but many cultures had very different perceptions of warrior codes and justice, and it just so happens to be that Caslyvaire and Ordenslann are two very different places with two very different cultures.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I've been waiting for Magsylvanians to post their reaction to the promotion, I'll give them a little more time, then appoint another chancellor.

I believe they already posted - having the Chancellor go through a backlog of court cases?

[Harkback Union]

I've been waiting for Magsylvanians to post their reaction to the promotion, I'll give them a little more time, then appoint another chancellor.

I believe they already posted - having the Chancellor go through a backlog of court cases?

I telegrammed them the results.

[Pac Kindom]

Name:John Bython
Appearance:John is a small power full looking man, sandy wild looking hair with pale skin and dark blue eyes, he has a short wild beard
Age: 20
House: House Bython

Family: John Bython (20): Leader of the House
Emma Bython (21): Wife of the House
John Bython (1): Son of the House
Jade Bython (2): Daughter of the House

Royal: No
Colors: Blue and Gold
Faith: The Cross
Trait: Architect
Biography: John Bython may not be the most perfect example of chivalry in the kingdom, he an adept leader and administrator and as he is a man capable of both showing great kindness to some, and at the same time great cruelty to others. WIP:
Province:Bython – is a remote land, made up of mountains and lush wild forests, fertile land, The Bython are proud independent people who love to live int the forests of their home land.

Choose a start Bython, preferably in the south or the west, as those are the ones most likely to be open.

I will take XLI

[Harkback Union]

Choose a start Bython, preferably in the south or the west, as those are the ones most likely to be open.

I will take XLI

Good, Good, will have you added to the map for year 6.

[Pac Kindom]

should I start year six as it my year one

[The GAmeTopians]

should I start year six as it my year one

We’re still on year 4 mate, much less year 6.
EDIT: unless hark is having you start late? I dunno.

[Harkback Union]

should I start year six as it my year one

Feel free to start in year one.

I'm afraid the empire will remain silent for a little longer. I know there are things to reply to, I'm just low on inspiration and I dont like producing poor IC.

[Finland SSR]

mwahahahahaha

I have found a new recruit to the Southern Independence League

[Torrocca]

Biggest apologies, but I'm afraid I'll be dropping from this RP.