NS Parliament Chamber [IC]

[Martune]

“Order! The Right Honourable minister’s inquiry will be taken. I will consult with my assistants and clerks and decide on this matter shortly.”

[Nariterrr]

« Madame le Président, je ne peux m'empêcher de penser que l'auguste membre continue à me mal comprendre. Comme j'ai déjà dit, je ne pense pas que ce Gouvernement ait exprès établi des discriminations sur la base de la race ou de l'origine de ces citoyens. Plutôt, j'ai remarqué que la constitution raciale de ce Gouvernement démontre le racisme inné de notre société et c'est à ce Gouvernement d'empêcher la croissance du racisme en représentant et en promouvant les minorités afin qu'elles puissent s'épanouir à Sainte Hilde. C'est tout.

Translated:

"Madam Speaker, I can not stop myself from thringing that the Honorable Member continues to misunderstand me. As I have already said, I do not think that this government has purposefully discriminated on the basis of race or origin of its citizenry. Rather, I remarked that the composition of this government demonstrates the innate racism of our society and it up to this government to prevent the growth of racism by representing and promoting minorities so that they can thrive in Saint Hilda. That's all.

[Roosevetania]

« Madame le Président, je ne peux m'empêcher de penser que l'auguste membre continue à me mal comprendre. Comme j'ai déjà dit, je ne pense pas que ce Gouvernement ait exprès établi des discriminations sur la base de la race ou de l'origine de ces citoyens. Plutôt, j'ai remarqué que la constitution raciale de ce Gouvernement démontre le racisme inné de notre société et c'est à ce Gouvernement d'empêcher la croissance du racisme en représentant et en promouvant les minorités afin qu'elles puissent s'épanouir à Sainte Hilde. C'est tout.

Translated:

"Madam Speaker, I can not stop myself from thringing that the Honorable Member continues to misunderstand me. As I have already said, I do not think that this government has purposefully discriminated on the basis of race or origin of its citizenry. Rather, I remarked that the composition of this government demonstrates the innate racism of our society and it up to this government to prevent the growth of racism by representing and promoting minorities so that they can thrive in Saint Hilda. That's all.

"Madam Speaker, the Honorable Member did say as much. I will read from the Parliamentary record:
'Is the Honorable Member implying that the Government intentionally largely contains whites?'
'Madam Speaker, the Honorable Member is correct: that was the sense of what I was said.'
The Honorable Member directly stated what he meant, and I would ask if he thinks we should choose Ministers based on something other than merit."

[Nariterrr]

« Madame le Président, je ne peux m'empêcher de penser que l'auguste membre continue à me mal comprendre. Comme j'ai déjà dit, je ne pense pas que ce Gouvernement ait exprès établi des discriminations sur la base de la race ou de l'origine de ces citoyens. Plutôt, j'ai remarqué que la constitution raciale de ce Gouvernement démontre le racisme inné de notre société et c'est à ce Gouvernement d'empêcher la croissance du racisme en représentant et en promouvant les minorités afin qu'elles puissent s'épanouir à Sainte Hilde. C'est tout.

Translated:

"Madam Speaker, I can not stop myself from thringing that the Honorable Member continues to misunderstand me. As I have already said, I do not think that this government has purposefully discriminated on the basis of race or origin of its citizenry. Rather, I remarked that the composition of this government demonstrates the innate racism of our society and it up to this government to prevent the growth of racism by representing and promoting minorities so that they can thrive in Saint Hilda. That's all.

"Madam Speaker, the Honorable Member did say as much. I will read from the Parliamentary record:
'Is the Honorable Member implying that the Government intentionally largely contains whites?'
'Madam Speaker, the Honorable Member is correct: that was the sense of what I was said.'
The Honorable Member directly stated what he meant, and I would ask if he thinks we should choose Ministers based on something other than merit."

« Certes, il semble que je me sois contredit. Veuillez m'exuser, Madame le Président, de mon erreur, car j'ai souvent mal à comprendre le suédois. Quoi qu'il en soit, je trouve toujours possible que la constitution de ce Gouvernement a été influencée, quoiqu'involontairement, par le racisme inné. »

Translated:

"Admittedly, it seems as though I have contradicted myself. Please excuse me, Madam Speaker, for my mistake, for I often have difficulty understanding Swedish. Whatever the case may be, I still find it possible that the composition of this government influenced, albeit unintentionally, by innate racism."

[Roosevetania]

"Madam Speaker, the Honorable Member did say as much. I will read from the Parliamentary record:
'Is the Honorable Member implying that the Government intentionally largely contains whites?'
'Madam Speaker, the Honorable Member is correct: that was the sense of what I was said.'
The Honorable Member directly stated what he meant, and I would ask if he thinks we should choose Ministers based on something other than merit."

« Certes, il semble que je me sois contredit. Veuillez m'exuser, Madame le Président, de mon erreur, car j'ai souvent mal à comprendre le suédois. Quoi qu'il en soit, je trouve toujours possible que la constitution de ce Gouvernement a été influencée, quoiqu'involontairement, par le racisme inné. »

Translated:

"Admittedly, it seems as though I have contradicted myself. Please excuse me, Madam Speaker, for my mistake, for I often have difficulty understanding Swedish. Whatever the case may be, I still find it possible that the composition of this government influenced, albeit unintentionally, by innate racism."

"And what right or basis does the Member have to say that, Madam Speaker?"

[Kowani]

« Certes, il semble que je me sois contredit. Veuillez m'exuser, Madame le Président, de mon erreur, car j'ai souvent mal à comprendre le suédois. Quoi qu'il en soit, je trouve toujours possible que la constitution de ce Gouvernement a été influencée, quoiqu'involontairement, par le racisme inné. »

Translated:

"Admittedly, it seems as though I have contradicted myself. Please excuse me, Madam Speaker, for my mistake, for I often have difficulty understanding Swedish. Whatever the case may be, I still find it possible that the composition of this government influenced, albeit unintentionally, by innate racism."

"And what right or basis does the Member have to say that, Madam Speaker?"

“Madam Speaker, I would remind the Honorable Member that as a Member of this Chamber, we all have the right to speak our opinion, so long as phrased in a manner becoming a Member of Parliament. To insinuate that one would require a “right” to point out perceived flaws in the composition of this Parliament is to attack the very foundations of its legitimacy.”

[Martune]

"Order! The Chair has come to a conclusion on the matter regarding the term "racist". It would impugn a 'member of this house's' dignity and honor should they be called "racist."

On the matter of "unintentionally racist" however, it would be highly controversial but not in breach of decorum.

And finally, on the matter of "acting in a racist way" or similar wordings. I will not rule that as a breach of decorum only due to its ambiguity. However, I highly recommend this chamber steer away from the discourse of calling each other racist or acting as such. We shall keep above the fray of mud slinging and keep a professional and dignified attitude whilst debating.

The point has been taken. There is no violations. Continue debate."

[Nova Anglicana]

“Madam Speaker, on the subject of racial discrimination or protection, I have authored a bill, the EENDA, that should offer protections to people of many classes. I believe it to be a step forward in protecting minority rights. I also look forward to pursuing other legislation to redress land ownership and education gaps.”

[Martune]

"Order. Debate has subsided. We will begin the reading on the Life Amendment. An amendment to the Human Rights Act. This reading shall last for 24 hours."

The Life Amendment
Author: Alexander Norberg (NPP)
Sponsors: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC), Lance Darrow (FPP)

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A bill to amend the Human Rights Act in order to protect the rights of unborn children and allow punishment of criminals

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

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§1 - Amendment

1. Section 1 of the Universal Rights Act shall be amended to read: "Right to life is bestowed upon all persons upon conception and shall not be violated in any circumstance except to protect the lives of others in immediate, life-threatening peril, to punish heinous actions against other human life, or in wartime where the killing of enemy combatants is just under international law."
2. The right to life of an unborn child may be waived when that of the mother is at risk.
3. The penalty of death shall not be imposed in trivial cases or when guilt is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Nova Anglicana]

“Madam Speaker, I rise in support of this amendment. The right to life is fundamental and we have a sacred duty to protect it. The exceptions in the amendment are reasonable and just. I urge my colleagues to support this amendment.”

[Roosevetania]

"Madam Speaker, I am proud to be the author of this bill. As the subject line states, it makes two changes, the first of which mostly ends the cruel practice of abortion. Every child's life is sacred, and someone should not just conceive a child and then decide to kill it. Even in extreme cases like rape, the baby deserves a chance at life and should never be punished for human mistakes.
Secondly, the amendment allows the death penalty. Madam Speaker, this ensures that brutal killers and other hardened criminals receive the punishment they deserve. It brings closure to victims' families, acts as a very strong deterrent, and morally serves justice.
This bill protects the life of the innocent and does not protect that of monsters. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor."

[Kowani]

"Madam Speaker, I am proud to be the author of this bill. As the subject line states, it makes two changes, the first of which mostly ends the cruel practice of abortion. Every child's life is sacred, and someone should not just conceive a child and then decide to kill it. Even in extreme cases like rape, the baby deserves a chance at life and should never be punished for human mistakes.
Secondly, the amendment allows the death penalty. Madam Speaker, this ensures that brutal killers and other hardened criminals receive the punishment they deserve. It brings closure to victims' families, acts as a very strong deterrent, and morally serves justice.
This bill protects the life of the innocent and does not protect that of monsters. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor."

“Madam Speaker, I would like to enquirer of the Honorable Member upon what scientific evidence he bases his claim that life begins at conception, seeing as this is a very large claim.”

“Furthermore, on the subject of capital punishment, I would submit to this chamber the notion that the death penalty is not the punishment that is deserved, but rather, an early out for prisoners. Instead of feeling organic remorse or serving society, they instead escape. I would further submit to this chamber that the death penalty, while serving a very nice emotional reaction, does not in fact, deter crime, and unlike the Honorable Member, I do my Research.”

[Nariterrr]

« Madame le Président, Je m'oppose de toutes mes forces à ce projet de loi. Loin de protéger les droits d'un fœtus, ce projet, si nous décidons de l'adopter, servait à priver les femmes de Sainte Hilde de leurs droits. Ne leur permettez pas de vous tricher, mes augustes collègues, les auteurs de cette proposition abominable se fiche des droits d'un fœtus humain. Ce projet de loi vise plutôt à priver les femmes d'un droit humain. Madame le Président, nous ne sommes pas au 19è siècle ; en Europe et en Amérique les femmes ont beaucoup plus de droits qu'alors. Nous avons reconnu le droit de suffrage. Nous avons donné aux femmes le droit à leur autonomie personnelle. Je ne peux arriver à comprendre les raisons qui mènent mes augustes collègues à remonter à une ère de l'histoire humaine qui a forcément privée les femmes de leurs droits et les traiter en enfants. Ce projet de loi m'énerve tant et franchement, Madame le Président, je trouve tellement bizarre que cette chambre en discute du tout. C'est une honte. C'est une honte que cette chambre se farcisse ce projet de loi ridicule. »

Translated:

"Madam Speaker, I oppose with all force this bill. Far from protecting the rights of the unborn, this bill, if we decide to pass it, would serve to deny the women of Saint Hilda their rights. Do not allow them to fool you, my Honorable Colleagues, the authors of this abominable proposition do not care about the rights of the fetus. This bill sees to deprive women of a human right. Madam Speaker, we are not in the nineteenth century; in Europe and America women are given many more rights than before. We have recognized the right to vote, the right to personal autonomy. I cannot understand the reasons which lead my Honorable Members to return to an era of history that essentially deprived women of their essential rights and treated them as children. This bill annoys me very and, to be frank, Madam Speaker, I find it bizzare that this chamber is discussing this matter. It is a shame. It is a shame that this chamber is saddled with this ridiculous bill."

[Kowani]

« Madame le Président, Je m'oppose de toutes mes forces à ce projet de loi. Loin de protéger les droits d'un fœtus, ce projet, si nous décidons de l'adopter, servait à priver les femmes de Sainte Hilde de leurs droits. Ne les permettez pas de vous tricher, mes augustes collègues, les auteurs de cette proposition abominable se fiche des droits d'un fœtus humain. Ce projet de loi vise plutôt à priver les femmes d'un droit humain. Madame le Président, nous ne sommes pas au 19è siècle ; en Europe et en Amérique les femmes ont beaucoup plus de droits qu'alors. Nous avons reconnu le droit de suffrage. Nous avons donné aux femmes le droit à leur autonomie personnelle. Je ne peux arriver à comprendre les raisons qui mènent mes augustes collègues à remonter à une ère de l'histoire humaine qui a forcément privée les femmes de leurs droits et les traiter en enfants. Ce projet de loi m'énerve tant et franchement, Madame le Président, je trouve tellement bizarre que cette chambre en discute du tout. C'est une honte. C'est une honte que cette chambre se farcisse ce projet de loi ridicule. »

Translated:

"Madam Speaker, I oppose with all force this bill. Far from protecting the rights of the unborn, this bill, if we decide to pass it, would serve to deny the women of Saint Hilda their rights. Do not allow them to fool you, my Honorable Colleagues, the authors of this abominable proposition do not care about the rights of the fetus. This bill sees to deprive women of a human right. Madam Speaker, we are not in the nineteenth century; in Europe and America women are given many more rights than before. We have recognized the right to vote, the right to personal autonomy. I cannot understand the reasons which lead my Honorable Members to return to an era of history that essentially deprived women of their essential rights and treated them as children. This bill annoys me very and, to be frank, Madam Speaker, I find it bizzare that this chamber is discussing this matter. It is a shame. It is a shame that this chamber is saddled with this ridiculous bill."

Hear, hear!

[Merni]

"Madam Speaker, while I support the essence of this bill, I must vehemently oppose the fact that it does not provide an exception in cases where the pregnancy is a result of rape. Madam Speaker, this is a glaring omission, and one which will cause terrible distress to victims of rape. Also, the bill does not provide an exception in a case where the foetus is known beyond reasonable doubt to have a severe congenital defect which may threaten its life upon birth. Therefore, I am forced to withdraw my support of this bill and vote against it, pending an amendment if any, especially on the first point. I have noted the reasoning of my honourable colleague, the author of this bill, but I must say that it seems insufficient indeed to me, and, I am sure, to other honourable members."

[The Archipelago Territory]

Austin quietly leaves the chamber as the heated abortion argument begins.

[Crylante]

"Madam Speaker, I am in strong opposition to this amendment.

Both things the amendment attempts to do, that is, ban abortion when the mother's life is not at risk and allow for the death penalty, are things I vehemently oppose. But I would like to focus on why I am strongly opposed to banning abortion.

Now, I do not view abortion as a desirable end to a pregnancy. Yet, it is a fact of life that sometimes it is necessary. The fact is, however aware the government may be of it, that there will be pregnancies as a result of a rape. Rape can, however aware the government may be of this, be very traumatic to those who have suffered from it, and thus forcing a mother to live with a constant reminder of this fact is going to lead to a mother unwilling to properly care for the baby due to the trauma its very existence brings.

Furthermore, however aware the government may be of it, there will be pregnancies that will result out of hardly ideal circumstances where the mother does not have the resources to care for the baby. The baby will thus grow up deprived of the resources needed to have a decent standard of living and the parents of the baby may not wish for their baby to suffer like this.

As I said, I do not view abortion as a desirable end to a pregnancy. Yet the fact is, making it illegal will do nothing but make the situation worse. The Republic of Ireland instituted a similar constitutional ban on abortion. Did it stop Irish women from getting abortions? No. All the women who could afford it went to the United Kingdom to have a safe abortion. All the women that could not afford it turned to dangerous back street abortions with serious risks of complications as they had no legal access to them.

The fact is, however aware the government may be of it, that to reduce the number of abortions, one must address the circumstances that lead to women having abortions. Allowing easy access to contraceptives will reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that would lead to abortions. Setting up programs to try and eradicate rape and rape culture in our society would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that would lead to abortions. Trying to alleviate the circumstances in which women find themselves unable to actually raise children would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies.

I implore the government to try any of these strategies if they want to reduce the number of abortions in stead of outright banning them.

I will be voting against this bill because I wish to keep abortion as a matter to be decided by a woman and her doctor."

[New Lindale]

Madame speaker, I would like to address my coulleagues of my concern about this amendment, considering I had originally implied in the original amendment, and also that we are stalled on this issue where. Also madame speaker I would like to ask you directly, where we are able to submit bills since the office is still on lock down.

[Merni]

Madame speaker, I would like to address my coulleagues of my concern about this amendment, considering I had originally implied in the original amendment, and also that we are stalled on this issue where. Also madame speaker I would like to ask you directly, where we are able to submit bills since the office is still on lock down.

OOC: as stated in the OP, and before on this thread, the place to submit bills is now the OOC thread.

[Martune]

Madame speaker, I would like to address my coulleagues of my concern about this amendment, considering I had originally implied in the original amendment, and also that we are stalled on this issue where. Also madame speaker I would like to ask you directly, where we are able to submit bills since the office is still on lock down.

“The member is clogging the chamber with his persistence on a subject that has been addressed. We have moved the office. You will submit your bills there and wait for its reading.”

OOC: Seriously. We’ve said several time that they go in the OOC thread

[New Lindale]

Madame speaker, I would like to address my coulleagues of my concern about this amendment, considering I had originally implied in the original amendment, and also that we are stalled on this issue where. Also madame speaker I would like to ask you directly, where we are able to submit bills since the office is still on lock down.

OOC: as stated in the OP, and before on this thread, the place to submit bills is now the OOC thread.

Thank you for your assistance, I am sorry for constantly asking, I've just been a bit unsure where to go and now I'm in the right direction.

[Agarntrop]

OOC: as stated in the OP, and before on this thread, the place to submit bills is now the OOC thread.

Thank you for your assistance, I am sorry for constantly asking, I've just been a bit unsure where to go and now I'm in the right direction.

"Point of Order, the Parliamentarian must reference the Speaker in his statement."

[Rebels and Saints]

"Madam Speaker, I am in strong opposition to this amendment.

Both things the amendment attempts to do, that is, ban abortion when the mother's life is not at risk and allow for the death penalty, are things I vehemently oppose. But I would like to focus on why I am strongly opposed to banning abortion.

Now, I do not view abortion as a desirable end to a pregnancy. Yet, it is a fact of life that sometimes it is necessary. The fact is, however aware the government may be of it, that there will be pregnancies as a result of a rape. Rape can, however aware the government may be of this, be very traumatic to those who have suffered from it, and thus forcing a mother to live with a constant reminder of this fact is going to lead to a mother unwilling to properly care for the baby due to the trauma its very existence brings.

Furthermore, however aware the government may be of it, there will be pregnancies that will result out of hardly ideal circumstances where the mother does not have the resources to care for the baby. The baby will thus grow up deprived of the resources needed to have a decent standard of living and the parents of the baby may not wish for their baby to suffer like this.

As I said, I do not view abortion as a desirable end to a pregnancy. Yet the fact is, making it illegal will do nothing but make the situation worse. The Republic of Ireland instituted a similar constitutional ban on abortion. Did it stop Irish women from getting abortions? No. All the women who could afford it went to the United Kingdom to have a safe abortion. All the women that could not afford it turned to dangerous back street abortions with serious risks of complications as they had no legal access to them.

The fact is, however aware the government may be of it, that to reduce the number of abortions, one must address the circumstances that lead to women having abortions. Allowing easy access to contraceptives will reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that would lead to abortions. Setting up programs to try and eradicate rape and rape culture in our society would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that would lead to abortions. Trying to alleviate the circumstances in which women find themselves unable to actually raise children would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies.

I implore the government to try any of these strategies if they want to reduce the number of abortions in stead of outright banning them.

I will be voting against this bill because I wish to keep abortion as a matter to be decided by a woman and her doctor."

"Madame Speaker, in a perfect world, we could respect both the right of a child to live and the right of a mother to choose. However, this obviously, in reality, is not a plausible arrangement."

"Meany of the Members here seem to believe that a ban on abortion intends to choose the rights of the fetus over the rights of the mother. This has been misconstrued into an idea of gender discrimination."

"I urge the Speaker to remind the Members that the ban on abortion is not intended to be a decision between the rights of a fetus and the rights of a mother, but a decision between the right to life and the right to bodily autonomy."

"Quite simply, a child unborn and a child born should be treated the same, regardless of consciousness or state of existence. Five minutes after a child is born, killing it would be called murder. Five minutes before, killing it would be called abortion."

"Madame Speaker, might I question why any of the Members of this Parliament believe that ten minutes such as these can change the legality of the ending of an innocent life?"

[Alozia]

"Madam Speaker, I am in strong opposition to this amendment.

Both things the amendment attempts to do, that is, ban abortion when the mother's life is not at risk and allow for the death penalty, are things I vehemently oppose. But I would like to focus on why I am strongly opposed to banning abortion.

Now, I do not view abortion as a desirable end to a pregnancy. Yet, it is a fact of life that sometimes it is necessary. The fact is, however aware the government may be of it, that there will be pregnancies as a result of a rape. Rape can, however aware the government may be of this, be very traumatic to those who have suffered from it, and thus forcing a mother to live with a constant reminder of this fact is going to lead to a mother unwilling to properly care for the baby due to the trauma its very existence brings.

Furthermore, however aware the government may be of it, there will be pregnancies that will result out of hardly ideal circumstances where the mother does not have the resources to care for the baby. The baby will thus grow up deprived of the resources needed to have a decent standard of living and the parents of the baby may not wish for their baby to suffer like this.

As I said, I do not view abortion as a desirable end to a pregnancy. Yet the fact is, making it illegal will do nothing but make the situation worse. The Republic of Ireland instituted a similar constitutional ban on abortion. Did it stop Irish women from getting abortions? No. All the women who could afford it went to the United Kingdom to have a safe abortion. All the women that could not afford it turned to dangerous back street abortions with serious risks of complications as they had no legal access to them.

The fact is, however aware the government may be of it, that to reduce the number of abortions, one must address the circumstances that lead to women having abortions. Allowing easy access to contraceptives will reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that would lead to abortions. Setting up programs to try and eradicate rape and rape culture in our society would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that would lead to abortions. Trying to alleviate the circumstances in which women find themselves unable to actually raise children would reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies.

I implore the government to try any of these strategies if they want to reduce the number of abortions in stead of outright banning them.

I will be voting against this bill because I wish to keep abortion as a matter to be decided by a woman and her doctor."

"Madame Speaker, in a perfect world, we could respect both the right of a child to live and the right of a mother to choose. However, this obviously, in reality, is not a plausible arrangement."

"Meany of the Members here seem to believe that a ban on abortion intends to choose the rights of the fetus over the rights of the mother. This has been misconstrued into an idea of gender discrimination."

"I urge the Speaker to remind the Members that the ban on abortion is not intended to be a decision between the rights of a fetus and the rights of a mother, but a decision between the right to life and the right to bodily autonomy."

"Quite simply, a child unborn and a child born should be treated the same, regardless of consciousness or state of existence. Five minutes after a child is born, killing it would be called murder. Five minutes before, killing it would be called abortion."

"Madame Speaker, might I question why any of the Members of this Parliament believe that ten minutes such as these can change the legality of the ending of an innocent life?"

"Madame Speaker, I rise in opposition to the bill currently under consideration and I would like to voice my opposition through a rebuttal of the Honourable Member's words."

"From what I have heard, especially from the most immeadate speaker, I believe that supporters of this bill are engaging in dishonest rethoric that pushes for the enactment of a harmful piece of legislation. The enire notion of 'ten minutes' that the Honorable member has invoked is a strawman deployed with intention of slandering the Members of this House that support the women's right to choose and mislead the public into supporting a ban on abortion."

"It is true that currently there is no legislation regarding the issue of abortion, but that fact does in no way legitimise the rethoric of the previous speaker. It is also true that nowhere in the world is abortion practiced five minutes before birth. I strongly urge the Members of this Parliament to enact a comprehensive legislation regarding the issue of abortion that would respect the rights of women across our country. Taking away their rights, especially in direct contradiction to the scientific consensus, is unacceptable and takes us to the dark ages."

[Agarntrop]

"Madame Speaker, in a perfect world, we could respect both the right of a child to live and the right of a mother to choose. However, this obviously, in reality, is not a plausible arrangement."

"Meany of the Members here seem to believe that a ban on abortion intends to choose the rights of the fetus over the rights of the mother. This has been misconstrued into an idea of gender discrimination."

"I urge the Speaker to remind the Members that the ban on abortion is not intended to be a decision between the rights of a fetus and the rights of a mother, but a decision between the right to life and the right to bodily autonomy."

"Quite simply, a child unborn and a child born should be treated the same, regardless of consciousness or state of existence. Five minutes after a child is born, killing it would be called murder. Five minutes before, killing it would be called abortion."

"Madame Speaker, might I question why any of the Members of this Parliament believe that ten minutes such as these can change the legality of the ending of an innocent life?"

"Madame Speaker, I rise in opposition to the bill currently under consideration and I would like to voice my opposition through a rebuttal of the Honourable Member's words."

"From what I have heard, especially from the most immeadate speaker, I believe that supporters of this bill are engaging in dishonest rethoric that pushes for the enactment of a harmful piece of legislation. The enire notion of 'ten minutes' that the Honorable member has invoked is a strawman deployed with intention of slandering the Members of this House that support the women's right to choose and mislead the public into supporting a ban on abortion."

"It is true that currently there is no legislation regarding the issue of abortion, but that fact does in no way legitimise the rethoric of the previous speaker. It is also true that nowhere in the world is abortion practiced five minutes before birth. I strongly urge the Members of this Parliament to enact a comprehensive legislation regarding the issue of abortion that would respect the rights of women across our country. Taking away their rights, especially in direct contradiction to the scientific consensus, is unacceptable and takes us to the dark ages."

"Hear hear!"