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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Karl walks back into the chamber after getting back from his week vacation. “Ah so we are trying to make our nation into a republic? Well this is interesting”

Aye: [ ]
No: [X]
Abstain [ ]
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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:38 pm

Rebels and Saints wrote:"Madame Speaker, I find this act incredibly vague. 'Basics of government.' What exactly does that mean? What is considered basic? 'At least proficient.' How much knowledge does one need to be 'proficient'? If any educational act is to be passed, it needs to be far more specific that this. I'll give a no."

Madam Speaker, since I am the author of this bill, I feel it would be appropriate for me to respond to these claims. That said, let us begin. By badics Of Government, that would be, in this case, knowledge about the way that our government is set up. What parliament is, it’s rights and responsibilities, the Constitution, etc. Essentially, the bedrock of our governing system. That does not require an in-depth class on all theories of governance, but rather, at the least, the basic underlying framework from which this chamber derives its power.”

“In respect to proficiency, it is hard to regulate that without overlegislating. However, I will attempt to expound upon a basic framework from which to work. In the majority of the developed world, any Educator at a Public School is required to have a teaching degree, and, in cases of specialization, a degree in whatever subject they desire to instruct in, from an accredited university. That is what is considered proficient, at the very least for the teaching of children.”

Thermodolia wrote:Karl walks back into the chamber after getting back from his week vacation. “Ah so we are trying to make our nation into a republic? Well this is interesting”

Aye: [ ]
No: [X]
Abstain [ ]

OOC: That vote ended a while ago.
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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:"Madame Speaker, I find this act incredibly vague. 'Basics of government.' What exactly does that mean? What is considered basic? 'At least proficient.' How much knowledge does one need to be 'proficient'? If any educational act is to be passed, it needs to be far more specific that this. I'll give a no."

Madam Speaker, since I am the author of this bill, I feel it would be appropriate for me to respond to these claims. That said, let us begin. By badics Of Government, that would be, in this case, knowledge about the way that our government is set up. What parliament is, it’s rights and responsibilities, the Constitution, etc. Essentially, the bedrock of our governing system. That does not require an in-depth class on all theories of governance, but rather, at the least, the basic underlying framework from which this chamber derives its power.”

“In respect to proficiency, it is hard to regulate that without overlegislating. However, I will attempt to expound upon a basic framework from which to work. In the majority of the developed world, any Educator at a Public School is required to have a teaching degree, and, in cases of specialization, a degree in whatever subject they desire to instruct in, from an accredited university. That is what is considered proficient, at the very least for the teaching of children.”

Thermodolia wrote:Karl walks back into the chamber after getting back from his week vacation. “Ah so we are trying to make our nation into a republic? Well this is interesting”

Aye: [ ]
No: [X]
Abstain [ ]

OOC: That vote ended a while ago.

OOC: I know I’m waiting for someone to respond ICly
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Martune
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Postby Martune » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:42 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Karl walks back into the chamber after getting back from his week vacation. “Ah so we are trying to make our nation into a republic? Well this is interesting”

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"Order. I don't know where the honourable member is headed to, the division is over. Please, have your seat and participate in the reading."
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Martune
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Postby Martune » Thu Jul 18, 2019 4:43 pm

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Agarntrop wrote:"Hear hear! I also ask why the honorable member has refused to specify clauses!"


"Point of order, Madame Speaker. The Honourable Member must address the Speaker in his statements."

"Order. The point of order is taken. I ask the honourable member and the house that we address the speaker when making statements. This is an informal warning as of now."
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Thermodolia
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:18 pm

Martune wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Karl walks back into the chamber after getting back from his week vacation. “Ah so we are trying to make our nation into a republic? Well this is interesting”

Aye: [ ]
No: [X]
Abstain [ ]

"Order. I don't know where the honourable member is headed to, the division is over. Please, have your seat and participate in the reading."

“Ah well that’s what I get for taking a week vacation and not reading the parliamentary notes.”
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>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
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>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
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Martune
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Postby Martune » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:10 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Martune wrote:"Order. I don't know where the honourable member is headed to, the division is over. Please, have your seat and participate in the reading."

“Ah well that’s what I get for taking a week vacation and not reading the parliamentary notes.”

"Yes, how unfortunate." She said this with the slightest of annoyance in her voice
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Roosevetania
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Roosevetania » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:21 pm

"Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition to this bill. It is relatively vague, not detailing specifically what students will be taught, in which years they will be taught which topics, or even what it means for a student to be proficient. There is no provision for science education, and for heavens' sake, the bill uses an incorrect name for St. Hilda four times. I do not believe that this bill is enough for the students of St. Hilda."
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Rebels and Saints
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Founded: Apr 01, 2019
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Rebels and Saints » Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:35 pm

Roosevetania wrote:"Madam Speaker, I rise in opposition to this bill. It is relatively vague, not detailing specifically what students will be taught, in which years they will be taught which topics, or even what it means for a student to be proficient. There is no provision for science education, and for heavens' sake, the bill uses an incorrect name for St. Hilda four times. I do not believe that this bill is enough for the students of St. Hilda."


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Equitesia
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Founded: Jan 28, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Equitesia » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:16 pm

"I personally think that this bill is too much vague on numerous aspect, mr. President, as everyone could see. I'm not opposing the deputy, author and proposer of this bill, I'm opposing the way this bill was written! I think a democratic (and, unfortunately, bureaucratic) state as Saint Hilda is, need more clear and precise proposal for a future emendament."
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Martune
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Ex-Nation

Postby Martune » Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:20 pm

Equitesia wrote:"I personally think that this bill is too much vague on numerous aspect, mr. President, as everyone could see. I'm not opposing the deputy, author and proposer of this bill, I'm opposing the way this bill was written! I think a democratic (and, unfortunately, bureaucratic) state as Saint Hilda is, need more clear and precise proposal for a future emendament."

"Um, may I ask the Honourable member where the president he refers to is?"
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Merni
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Merni » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:21 am

Anna Nilsson says, "Madam Speaker, while I applaud the intention behind this act, and stress the importance of free and compulsory public education as a right for all children, I don't believe that this bill is the right way to achieve that goal. I don't intend to offend the author, but this act is very poorly written, with many errors and omissions and is generally not fit for purpose." She sits down, muttering, "Sankta Helena, indeed...abomination..."
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Martune
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Ex-Nation

Postby Martune » Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:22 pm

"Order. The reading period of the bill as ended. The division period has begun. Lock the doors!."
Universal Basic Education Act
Author: Dorgival R. Seč
Sponsors: John de Clairmont, Sven Sköldsvik, James Penta



So as to allow all Citizens the Basics of Knowledge

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:




§1 - That All Towns, Cities or Municipalities have at the Least One School
That All Children under the Jurisdiction of Sankta Helena enter the school system from the Age of 4 and complete 12 years of schooling or until the 10th educational year, whichever comes first.
That the school year not last less then 6 months, although the days may be nonconsecutive.
That all Students be physically present for at least 6 hours of the school day, excepting illnesses, physical injuries, immediate deaths in the family or other unforeseen circumstances that may prevent attendance.
That the time whereupon the Students must be physically present in the classroom during one week not exceed 5 days, or 35 hours, excepting voluntarily extracurricular activities that may take place on campus.
That no school run under this Act may discriminate against or in favor of a currently enrolled student or prospective student due to race, gender, sexual orientation, sexuality, religion, political ideology, relatives, place of national origin, culture, familial income or any other immutable characteristic.
That Children with learning disabilities be excepted from this Act, so as to allow trained experts to help them.
That Children with autoimmune disorders be excepted from this Act, unless 95%of the Student population is vaccinated against the most common diseases in the area, of those with a high risk of transmission.

§2 - Base Curricula
That All Students be taught base Arithmetic.
Base Arithmetic, for the purposes of this Act, include Addition, Subtraction, Multiplication and Subtraction.
That All Students be taught the Swedish Alphabet, Reading, Writing, and Grammar.
That All Students be taught the History of Sankta Helena
That All Students be taught the Geography of the World.
That All Students be taught the Basics of Government of Sankta Helena.
That All Students be given at least 45 minutes of physical exercise each day.

§3 - Funding & Administration
That All Schools established through this Act be run via public taxation.]
That no School established by this Act may require of its Students or Prospective Students or their Families any sort of payment.]
That no School established by this Act may accept of its Students or Prospective Students or their Families or any other interested party that is not the Rightful Government of Sankta Helena any sort of payment.
That no School established through this Act may retain students at school in cases of threats to their physical well-being.
That All Teachers, and Educators be at least proficient in their subject matter.


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Crylante
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Crylante » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:24 pm

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The Liberated Territories
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Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:25 pm

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Van Hool Islands » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:25 pm

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Lamaredia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Lamaredia » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:29 pm

Rep. Aplestierna stands up and says "I will vote yes for this bill, although it has some issues that I will be writing an amendment for."

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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Roosevetania
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Roosevetania » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:38 pm

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:53 pm

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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:55 pm

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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Agarntrop » Fri Jul 19, 2019 3:25 pm

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Ex-Nation

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Puertollano
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Puertollano » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:06 pm

"We can no longer afford to wait for our children's education."

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Kowani
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:13 pm

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“I would like to ask all who wish to amend this bill, if this chamber sees fit to make it a law, and improve upon it to do so. Our children deserve the greatest education we can give them.”
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Ex-Nation

Postby The Archipelago Territory » Fri Jul 19, 2019 4:16 pm

Kowani wrote:Aye: [X]
No: [ ]
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“I would like to ask all who wish to amend this bill, if this chamber sees fit to make it a law, and improve upon it to do so. Our children deserve the greatest education we can give them.”


“Madam Speaker, if the honorable member wishes to amend the bill, he should do so himself, not ask others to amend it.”
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