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Equitesia
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Postby Equitesia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:39 am

I vote for the immediate and necessary review of the proposal.
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The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:40 am

Costa Fierro wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:"I am happy to invite the honorable member to ask his questions, madame speaker."


"In that case, Madam Speaker, I rise to pose these two questions to the Honourable Minister. My first question is does the minister consider a flat tobacco tax appropriate in order to reduce harm and discourage the up take of new tobacco consumers? My second question is the following: has the minister considered making provisions for local taxes outside of central government taxation?"

"Madame Speaker, the per-unit excise on tobacco products is part of a wider strategy of indicative methodology in economic planning, and the hope is that it will discourage growth in consumption of harmful products. Concerns about the possible regressive nature of "sin taxes" harming the poor disproportionately are something to be considered, but I believe the negative income tax model utilized in personal income tax will more than make up for possible regression from this strategy. In future, if research indicates that per-unit excises are excessively damaging to equality or perform poorly in discouraging growth in Saint Hilda, I would be open to an amendment to propose a different solution."

"The second question is important, madame speaker, and I thank the honorable member for raising it. Defining local government in Saint Hilda under our new system is important, and it should be one of the first focuses of this government. At this time, however, I feel it would not be proper to proscribe specific local tax laws in this bill, as there is still uncertainty in that area and I am of the opinion that it should mostly be left to local governments to determine their local rates of taxation. I believe, at the present time, municipalities are still levying local taxes through bylaws, though certainly such systems should be formalized in legislation when a bill is proposed to establish a system for local governance in Saint Hilda."

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Postby Idzequitch » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:01 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:"Madame Speaker, I am appreciative that there are honorable members to the right of my position who can make known their concerns in a reasonable and principled manner. The honorable member will be pleased, I am sure, to hear that the tax rates proposed in this bill are actually much more forgiving in terms of personal income than the rates our citizens were paying to Sweden prior to independence, so the member could reframe his thinking that this is in fact a tax cut for those who need it."

"As for corporate taxes, small businesses that build the foundation of our economy can attain a rate as low as 10% of net profits if they are willing to work towards the goals we as a society share. I am confident that this bill will not be found overbearing to the good, hard working people of our nation."

"I am indeed deeply appreciative that these proposed rates do represent a tax cut for the good citizens of our nation, and I am equally appreciative that the honorable member has responded to my concerns in a reasonable manner. I recognize that the current coalition government represents a wide spectrum of beliefs on a wide variety of issues, including that of taxation. And while it is clear that I do not quite see eye to eye with the honorable member on this issue, I am well-aware that compromise is a crucial pillar of any good government. While I stand by my assertion that even larger cuts would be beneficial to our people and our nation, I believe the good citizens of Saint Hilda deserve whatever tax relief this Parliament can give them."
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Postby East Meranopirus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:35 am

Equitesia wrote:I vote for the immediate and necessary review of the proposal.

"Madam Speaker, I'm not sure what the Honourable Member for Gård-Little Sverige is attempting to vote for. "
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Equitesia
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Postby Equitesia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:00 am

East Meranopirus wrote:
Equitesia wrote:I vote for the immediate and necessary review of the proposal.

"Madam Speaker, I'm not sure what the Honourable Member for Gård-Little Sverige is attempting to vote for. "

I partially agree with the proposal, so I vote no.
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Postby East Meranopirus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:17 am

Equitesia wrote:
East Meranopirus wrote:"Madam Speaker, I'm not sure what the Honourable Member for Gård-Little Sverige is attempting to vote for. "

I partially agree with the proposal, so I vote no.

“Is the Honourable Member aware that the government coalition which he is part of has agreed to vote for the bill as a part of the confidence and supply deal with the Center-Progressive Party?

Regardless, what I was attempting to ask was what the member meant by ‘immediate and necessary review of the proposal’.”
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Postby East Meranopirus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:18 am

Albin Lundberg takes a break to momentarily check his phone. To his surprise, he sees a tweet from Christofer Larsson, the member who he's just been debating.

"Madam Speaker," Lundberg stands up to speak, "it seems that the Member for Gård would rather send out angry tweets from the chamber than clarifying his positions, especially seeing as he seems to be defying his own coalition's whip."
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:28 am

“Madam speaker, under current parliamentary procedure, do we amend the bill in debating, or in voting periods?”
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Postby East Meranopirus » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:31 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:“Madam speaker, under current parliamentary procedure, do we amend the bill in debating, or in voting periods?”

"I do not have the answer to the question, but if I recall, there would be a separate period for amending should it be necessary, between debating and voting. However, I feel I must remind the member that amending the bill would be a violation of his coalition's confidence and supply agreement with the Center-Progressive Party."
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:35 am

East Meranopirus wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:“Madam speaker, under current parliamentary procedure, do we amend the bill in debating, or in voting periods?”

"I do not have the answer to the question, but if I recall, there would be a separate period for amending should it be necessary, between debating and voting. However, I feel I must remind the member that amending the bill would be a violation of his coalition's confidence and supply agreement with the Center-Progressive Party."

“Yes, I know, I will formally abstain from voting and I will speak with my legal counsel.”
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:41 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:“Madam speaker, under current parliamentary procedure, do we amend the bill in debating, or in voting periods?”

“Amendments should be submitted to my office.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:51 am

As Austin looked over the the agreement that his alliance drafted without him, and added

“Madam Speaker, as the SHAPC Deputy Leader, am I required to vote for the measure that reduces voting age to 16? This deal is not legally binding on me and it is extremely vague what each party has to do vs. what everyone has to do. If I have to vote for it, I will, but it would allow parents to control their kids’ votes.”
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Postby Merni » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:17 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:As Austin looked over the the agreement that his alliance drafted without him, and added

“Madam Speaker, as the SHAPC Deputy Leader, am I required to vote for the measure that reduces voting age to 16? This deal is not legally binding on me and it is extremely vague what each party has to do vs. what everyone has to do. If I have to vote for it, I will, but it would allow parents to control their kids’ votes.”


Anna Nilsson, somewhat irritated at the change of topic, says, "Madam Speaker, such a measure has not yet been formally proposed, as far as I am aware. The honourable member seems to be referring to an agreement that his party would support such a measure, if it were to be brought before the House. Also, I advise the honourable member to consult his party on such matters, rather than the Speaker, since he seems to be referring to a private agreement between two parties."
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Postby New Lindale » Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:19 am

Madame Speaker, my question regarding data, so I shall clarify to minimize confusion. Is data pertaining to the number of citizens earning certain income levels available at this time? I am certain this data is vital for this debate, but also for this bill since we would have a better understanding of the potential effects of the proposed bill.
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:53 am

New Lindale wrote:Madame Speaker, my question regarding data, so I shall clarify to minimize confusion. Is data pertaining to the number of citizens earning certain income levels available at this time? I am certain this data is vital for this debate, but also for this bill since we would have a better understanding of the potential effects of the proposed bill.

“The chair has no such information. The Member is advised to consult the Government.”

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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:55 am

Pere Housh Alpha wrote:
Martune wrote:"I understand. But know what will happen should you disobey the whip."

"Ok I will vote for the bill but with great reluctance."


Lance whispered to Michael, "Don't bend your knee on something you believe in. If you have a stance, fight for it."
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:59 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Pere Housh Alpha wrote:"Ok I will vote for the bill but with great reluctance."


Lance whispered to Michael, "Don't bend your knee on something you believe in. If you have a stance, fight for it."

Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:09 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:
Lance whispered to Michael, "Don't bend your knee on something you believe in. If you have a stance, fight for it."

Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”


"Michael's in the same deal you're in, Austin."
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:11 am

"The Members whispering are advised that the rest of us can hear them."

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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:13 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:"The Members whispering are advised that the rest of us can hear them.


OOC: The entire point of using the word "whispered" is to say that nobody else can hear.
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Postby Martune » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:15 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:"The Members whispering are advised that the rest of us can hear them."

OOC: the whole point of putting "whispering" is to talk IC without other IC members hearing you. It's a part of RP and it wouldn't make much sense for them to whisper at such high volumes, especially in a chamber.

You really shouldn't be able to hear them
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:22 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”


"Michael's in the same deal you're in, Austin."

“Micheal isn’t party leadership,” Austin whispers
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:22 am

Martune wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:"The Members whispering are advised that the rest of us can hear them."

OOC: the whole point of putting "whispering" is to talk IC without other IC members hearing you. It's a part of RP and it wouldn't make much sense for them to whisper at such high volumes, especially in a chamber.

You really shouldn't be able to hear them


And I'll empathizes this point too. Unless they "accidentally" left their mikes on, which would be at their discretion really, no one, except maybe members that sit next to them, wouldn't be able to hear their conversations.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:27 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Rebels and Saints wrote:
"Michael's in the same deal you're in, Austin."

“Micheal isn’t party leadership,” Austin whispers


"His vote means just as much as yours. He would face the same consequences for defying the agreement."
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:34 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:“Micheal isn’t party leadership,” Austin whispers


"His vote means just as much as yours. He would face the same consequences for defying the agreement."

“I’d file an emergency parliamentary lawsuit because not being allowed to amend would be illegal, but then the agreement would come crashing down if I won and that’s not what I want.”
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