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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:54 pm
by Martune
Go ask questions

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:57 pm
by Nariterrr
Martune wrote:Go ask questions

Thank you!

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:02 pm
by Martune
Nariterrr wrote:
Martune wrote:Go ask questions

Thank you!

No nariterr we haven’t decided yet

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:26 pm
by Nariterrr
Martune wrote:
Nariterrr wrote:Thank you!

No nariterr we haven’t decided yet

Oh, my bad I misunderstood.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:46 pm
by Roosevetania
This bill amends the HRA, which just passed, to permit the death penalty and mostly prohibit abortion. It will be controversial, to say the least.
bill.submit
The Life Amendment
Author: Alexander Norberg (NPP)
Sponsors: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC), Lance Darrow (FPP)



A bill to amend the Human Rights Act in order to protect the rights of unborn children and allow punishment of criminals

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:



§1 - Amendment
  1. Section 1 of the Universal Rights Act shall be amended to read: "Right to life is bestowed upon all persons upon conception and shall not be violated in any circumstance except to protect the lives of others in immediate, life-threatening peril, to punish heinous actions against other human life, or in wartime where the killing of enemy combatants is just under international law."
  2. The right to life of an unborn child may be waived when that of the mother is at risk.
  3. The penalty of death shall not be imposed in trivial cases or when guilt is not proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:47 pm
by Nova Anglicana
Local Government Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP), Filip Stenbeck (C-P), Austin Miller (SHAPC), Anna Nilsson (PLP), James Penta, (Green)

A bill to establish a system of local government

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Municipality - an incorporated area, the lowest administrative division
  2. Department - the middle administrative division, consisting of at least one municipality and the surrounding area

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to democratic self-government on a local level.

§3 - Municipalities
  1. The municipality shall be the lowest administrative division of Saint Hilda.
  2. All land incorporated in a municipality shall be subject to the ordinances of the municipality.
  3. Municipalities shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each municipality may determine the form of representative government and the division of powers, if any, therein.
  4. Municipalities shall have the power to pass local ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services (law enforcement, firefighting, trash collection, public education, etc).

§4 - Departments
  1. Departments shall be the middle administrative division, below the national government.
  2. Parliament shall establish a number of departments, no less than ten (10), corresponding to historical and geographic regions. Parliament may establish additional departments, abolish, or merge departments as necessary.
  3. All land within the departments, including incorporated municipalities, shall be subject to the ordinances of the department.
  4. Departments shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each department shall be governed by a departmental council.
  5. Departmental councils shall have the power to pass ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services.

§5 - National Law
  1. No municipality or department may pass an ordinance that would conflict with national law.


Local government bill. Municipalities and departments are administrative divisions and do not have irrevocable rights like in a federation.

Legal Justice Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP), Filip Stenbeck (C-P), Austin Miller (SHAPC), James Penta, (Green)

A bill to establish a system of courts and justice

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Citation - a low-level offense that carries no penalty of imprisonment nor significant fine, such as a parking ticket or public urination
  2. Criminal offense - an offense against the criminal code of Saint Hilda

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers for any criminal or civil offense that rises beyond the level of a citation.
  2. Juries shall consist of 12 individuals selected from a random pool of residents of Saint Hilda. Juries shall render their verdict by unanimous decision and shall use "beyond a reasonable doubt" as the standard by which they render their verdict in criminal cases. In civil cases, "clear and convincing evidence" shall be the standard by which they render their verdict.
  3. Any individual convicted of a criminal offense has the right to appeal the decision of the court to a higher court. There shall be no jury for an appeal.
  4. Any individual may choose to waive their right to a jury trial and have their case heard solely by a judge.
  5. All individuals charged with a crime have the right to an attorney. If they cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for them at public expense.

§3 - Court System
  1. There shall be three levels of courts in Saint Hilda: department courts, courts of appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  2. All courts fall under the purview of the Ministry of Justice and all employees of courts shall be considered employees of the national government.
  3. There shall be one (1) department court in each department of Saint Hilda. Department courts are responsible for hearing cases relating to criminal offenses, as well as civil lawsuits. No case shall be heard in a higher court without first being heard in a department court. Department courts shall have no less than five (5) judges to hear cases, though only one (1) judge shall hear each case.
  4. There shall be five (5) courts of appeals, each encompassing multiple departments. The courts of appeals shall hear all cases appealed in the departments for which they are responsible. Each court of appeals shall have nine (9) judges, and three (3) judges shall hear each case.
  5. There shall be one (1) Supreme Court of Saint Hilda. The decision of the Supreme Court shall be final in all cases. The Supreme Court shall have the right to hear or choose not to hear any cases appealed to it from the courts of appeals. No case shall be appealed to the Supreme Court without first having been heard in a court of appeals. The Supreme Court shall have seven (7) judges, who shall be referred to as justices, and all justices, when able to be present, shall hear each case.
  6. Departments may establish special jurisdictional courts (bankruptcy, traffic, etc) as they believe to be necessary. All courts created in this way shall be the responsibility of the department and all employees considered employees of the department. The selection of judges and employees for these courts shall be on the basis of merit.
  7. Municipalities are directed to establish courts for the administration of citations. All courts created in this way shall be the responsibility of the municipality and all employees considered employees of the municipality. The selection of judges and employees for these courts shall be on the basis of merit.

§4 - Selection for the Judiciary
  1. All judges, whether for department, appeals, or Supreme courts, shall be selected on the basis of merit. No individual shall be nominated for a judgeship who is not a licensed attorney and a citizen of Saint Hilda.
  2. The Prime Minister shall nominate, subject to a majority vote of Parliament, individuals to serve on the department courts, courts of Appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  3. The Ministry of Justice shall be charged with the identification and recommendation to the Prime Minister of suitable candidates for judgeship.
  4. Judges of the department courts shall serve for nine (9) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  5. Judges of the courts of appeals shall serve for twelve (12) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  6. Justices of the Supreme Court shall serve for fifteen (15) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.

§5 - Public Prosecutor and Public Defender
[list=a][*]Each department shall have an Office of the Public Prosecutor (OPP) and an Office of the Public Defender (OPD).
[*]The OPP shall be charged with the prosecution of criminal and civil offenses. Each departmental OPP shall have a Chief Prosecutor and no less than three (3) Assistant Prosecutors. The Chief Prosecutor shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPP and the prosecution of cases.
[*]The OPD shall be charged with the defense of individuals who cannot or choose not to hire an attorney of their own. Each departmental OPD shall have a Chief Defender and no less than five (5) Assistant Defenders. The Chief Defender shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPD and the defense of individuals.
[*]All applicants for the positions listed in this section of this Act shall be considered on the basis of merit. No individual shall be employed in one of the positions listed in this section of the Act who is not a licensed attorney.


Judiciary system bill. Sets up courts, selection of judges, and prosecution/defense.

Also, sponsor the Life Amendment and Conscription Act. Salomon Kombila Berggren, SHAPC.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:33 pm
by Rebels and Saints
Lance sponsors the Life Amendment.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:56 am
by Alozia
Nation Name: Alozia
History of Warnings, Bans, etc: I think I was warned once, 3 years ago.
Character Name (Optional, Add Full Profile In Database): Filip Stenbeck
Party (choose from existing parties or create one with the party application): Centre-Progressive

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:23 am
by Kowani
Nariterrr wrote:I have been asked by Martune to give an apology in order for me to be able to return into the community with good faith. I have decided to address all those whom I might have insulted or hurt.

I have been accused of various things: plagiarism, puppeting accounts, lying to the community, godmoding, and generally being an asshole. I am guilty on all those counts. I comported myself very poorly in the Elizia roleplay, and I was justifiably banned as a result of it. When I returned to turn a new leaf, I was snarky and cuntish with other players. I am completely guilty of that as well. This led to my justified banning from this RP, but I have since asked the admins if it might be possible for me to return.

To all those whom I have insulted or hurt, directly or indirectly, I am very sorry. To those whom I lied to and cheated, I am sorry. To those whom I have insulted this time around, I am sorry. To the people who saw me as the major problem of the Elizia roleplay, I am sorry most of all. This is my fault and mine alone. I promise that if I am allowed to return, I will treat all players with the respect they merit, and I will acknowledge that I am on extremely thin ice.

Thank you,
Nariterrr

Well, I wasn’t present at any of the aforementioned events, so my opinion is worth about as much as my opinion on Mongolian politics. However, in an RP, it’s always more fun with more people. So, perhaps we should allow Nariterr to return.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:22 am
by Alozia
Can someone give me a quick rundown of the situation Saint Helda is in?

I know that it's under the Swedish monarch, but how well established the government is? How many ministeries are there? Is there a constitution? Who's who in the government?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 3:25 am
by Alozia
Nova Anglicana wrote:
Local Government Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of local government

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Municipality - an incorporated area, the lowest administrative division
  2. Department - the middle administrative division, consisting of at least one municipality and the surrounding area

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to democratic self-government on a local level.

§3 - Municipalities
  1. The municipality shall be the lowest administrative division of Saint Hilda.
  2. All land incorporated in a municipality shall be subject to the ordinances of the municipality.
  3. Municipalities shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each municipality may determine the form of representative government and the division of powers, if any, therein.
  4. Municipalities shall have the power to pass local ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services (law enforcement, firefighting, trash collection, public education, etc).

§4 - Departments
  1. Departments shall be the middle administrative division, below the national government.
  2. Parliament shall establish a number of departments, no less than ten (10), corresponding to historical and geographic regions. Parliament may establish additional departments, abolish, or merge departments as necessary.
  3. All land within the departments, including incorporated municipalities, shall be subject to the ordinances of the department.
  4. Departments shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each department shall be governed by a departmental council.
  5. Departmental councils shall have the power to pass ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services.

§5 - National Law
  1. No municipality or department may pass an ordinance that would conflict with national law.


Local government bill. Municipalities and departments are administrative divisions and do not have irrevocable rights like in a federation.

Legal Justice Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of courts and justice

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Citation - a low-level offense that carries no penalty of imprisonment
  2. Criminal offense - an offense against the criminal code of Saint Hilda

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers for any criminal or civil offense that rises beyond the level of a citation.
  2. Juries shall consist of 12 individuals selected from a random pool of residents of Saint Hilda.
  3. Any individual convicted of a criminal offense has the right to appeal the decision of the court to a higher court. There shall be no jury for an appeal.
  4. Any individual may choose to waive their right to a jury trial and have their case heard solely by a judge.
  5. All individuals charged with a crime have the right to an attorney. If they cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for them at public expense.

§3 - Court System
  1. There shall be three levels of courts in Saint Hilda: department courts, courts of appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  2. All courts fall under the purview of the Ministry of Justice and all employees of courts shall be considered employees of the national government.
  3. There shall be one (1) department court in each department of Saint Hilda. Department courts are responsible for hearing cases relating to criminal offenses, as well as civil lawsuits. No case shall be heard in a higher court without first being heard in a department court. Department courts shall have no less than five (5) judges to hear cases, though only one (1) judge shall hear each case.
  4. There shall be five (5) courts of appeals, each encompassing multiple departments. The courts of appeals shall hear all cases appealed in the departments for which they are responsible. Each court of appeals shall have nine (9) judges, and three (3) judges shall hear each case.
  5. There shall be one (1) Supreme Court of Saint Hilda. The decision of the Supreme Court shall be final in all cases. The Supreme Court shall have the right to hear or choose not to hear any cases appealed to it from the courts of appeals. No case shall be appealed to the Supreme Court without first having been heard in a court of appeals. The Supreme Court shall have seven (7) judges, who shall be referred to as justices, and all justices, when able to be present, shall hear each case.
  6. Departments may establish special jurisdictional courts (bankruptcy, traffic, etc) as they believe to be necessary. All courts created in this way shall be the responsibility of the department and all employees considered employees of the department. The selection of judges and employees for these courts shall be on the basis of merit.

§4 - Selection for the Judiciary
  1. All judges, whether for department, appeals, or Supreme courts, shall be selected on the basis of merit. No individual shall be nominated for a judgeship who is not a licensed attorney or a citizen of Saint Hilda.
  2. The Prime Minister shall nominate, subject to a majority vote of Parliament, individuals to serve on the department courts, courts of Appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  3. The Ministry of Justice shall be charged with the identification and recommendation to the Prime Minister of suitable candidates for judgeship.
  4. Judges of the department courts shall serve for nine (9) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  5. Judges of the courts of appeals shall serve for twelve (12) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  6. Justices of the Supreme Court shall serve for fifteen (15) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.

§5 - Public Prosecutor and Public Defender
[list=a][*]Each department shall have an Office of the Public Prosecutor (OPP) and an Office of the Public Defender (OPD).
[*]The OPP shall be charged with the prosecution of criminal and civil offenses. Each departmental OPP shall have a Chief Prosecutor and no less than three (3) Assistant Prosecutors. The Chief Prosecutor shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPP and the prosecution of cases.
[*]The OPD shall be charged with the defense of individuals who cannot or choose not to hire an attorney of their own. Each departmental OPD shall have a Chief Defender and no less than five (5) Assistant Defenders. The Chief Defender shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPD and the defense of individuals.
[*]All applicants for the positions listed in this section of this Act shall be considered on the basis of merit. No individual shall be employed in one of the positions listed in this section of the Act who is not a licensed attorney.


Judiciary system bill. Sets up courts, selection of judges, and prosecution/defense.

Also, sponsor the Life Amendment and Conscription Act. Salomon Kombila Berggren, SHAPC.

Filip Stenbeck, C-P, would like to sponsor both of these bills (Local Government Act and Legal Justice Act)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:51 am
by The Archipelago Territory
Alozia wrote:
Nova Anglicana wrote:
Local Government Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of local government

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Municipality - an incorporated area, the lowest administrative division
  2. Department - the middle administrative division, consisting of at least one municipality and the surrounding area

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to democratic self-government on a local level.

§3 - Municipalities
  1. The municipality shall be the lowest administrative division of Saint Hilda.
  2. All land incorporated in a municipality shall be subject to the ordinances of the municipality.
  3. Municipalities shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each municipality may determine the form of representative government and the division of powers, if any, therein.
  4. Municipalities shall have the power to pass local ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services (law enforcement, firefighting, trash collection, public education, etc).

§4 - Departments
  1. Departments shall be the middle administrative division, below the national government.
  2. Parliament shall establish a number of departments, no less than ten (10), corresponding to historical and geographic regions. Parliament may establish additional departments, abolish, or merge departments as necessary.
  3. All land within the departments, including incorporated municipalities, shall be subject to the ordinances of the department.
  4. Departments shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each department shall be governed by a departmental council.
  5. Departmental councils shall have the power to pass ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services.

§5 - National Law
  1. No municipality or department may pass an ordinance that would conflict with national law.


Local government bill. Municipalities and departments are administrative divisions and do not have irrevocable rights like in a federation.

Legal Justice Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of courts and justice

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Citation - a low-level offense that carries no penalty of imprisonment
  2. Criminal offense - an offense against the criminal code of Saint Hilda

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers for any criminal or civil offense that rises beyond the level of a citation.
  2. Juries shall consist of 12 individuals selected from a random pool of residents of Saint Hilda.
  3. Any individual convicted of a criminal offense has the right to appeal the decision of the court to a higher court. There shall be no jury for an appeal.
  4. Any individual may choose to waive their right to a jury trial and have their case heard solely by a judge.
  5. All individuals charged with a crime have the right to an attorney. If they cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for them at public expense.

§3 - Court System
  1. There shall be three levels of courts in Saint Hilda: department courts, courts of appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  2. All courts fall under the purview of the Ministry of Justice and all employees of courts shall be considered employees of the national government.
  3. There shall be one (1) department court in each department of Saint Hilda. Department courts are responsible for hearing cases relating to criminal offenses, as well as civil lawsuits. No case shall be heard in a higher court without first being heard in a department court. Department courts shall have no less than five (5) judges to hear cases, though only one (1) judge shall hear each case.
  4. There shall be five (5) courts of appeals, each encompassing multiple departments. The courts of appeals shall hear all cases appealed in the departments for which they are responsible. Each court of appeals shall have nine (9) judges, and three (3) judges shall hear each case.
  5. There shall be one (1) Supreme Court of Saint Hilda. The decision of the Supreme Court shall be final in all cases. The Supreme Court shall have the right to hear or choose not to hear any cases appealed to it from the courts of appeals. No case shall be appealed to the Supreme Court without first having been heard in a court of appeals. The Supreme Court shall have seven (7) judges, who shall be referred to as justices, and all justices, when able to be present, shall hear each case.
  6. Departments may establish special jurisdictional courts (bankruptcy, traffic, etc) as they believe to be necessary. All courts created in this way shall be the responsibility of the department and all employees considered employees of the department. The selection of judges and employees for these courts shall be on the basis of merit.

§4 - Selection for the Judiciary
  1. All judges, whether for department, appeals, or Supreme courts, shall be selected on the basis of merit. No individual shall be nominated for a judgeship who is not a licensed attorney or a citizen of Saint Hilda.
  2. The Prime Minister shall nominate, subject to a majority vote of Parliament, individuals to serve on the department courts, courts of Appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  3. The Ministry of Justice shall be charged with the identification and recommendation to the Prime Minister of suitable candidates for judgeship.
  4. Judges of the department courts shall serve for nine (9) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  5. Judges of the courts of appeals shall serve for twelve (12) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  6. Justices of the Supreme Court shall serve for fifteen (15) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.

§5 - Public Prosecutor and Public Defender
[list=a][*]Each department shall have an Office of the Public Prosecutor (OPP) and an Office of the Public Defender (OPD).
[*]The OPP shall be charged with the prosecution of criminal and civil offenses. Each departmental OPP shall have a Chief Prosecutor and no less than three (3) Assistant Prosecutors. The Chief Prosecutor shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPP and the prosecution of cases.
[*]The OPD shall be charged with the defense of individuals who cannot or choose not to hire an attorney of their own. Each departmental OPD shall have a Chief Defender and no less than five (5) Assistant Defenders. The Chief Defender shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPD and the defense of individuals.
[*]All applicants for the positions listed in this section of this Act shall be considered on the basis of merit. No individual shall be employed in one of the positions listed in this section of the Act who is not a licensed attorney.


Judiciary system bill. Sets up courts, selection of judges, and prosecution/defense.

Also, sponsor the Life Amendment and Conscription Act. Salomon Kombila Berggren, SHAPC.

Filip Stenbeck, C-P, would like to sponsor both of these bills (Local Government Act and Legal Justice Act)


Sponsor LGA, Austin Miller, SHAPC

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:54 am
by Merni
Nova Anglicana wrote:
Local Government Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of local government

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Municipality - an incorporated area, the lowest administrative division
  2. Department - the middle administrative division, consisting of at least one municipality and the surrounding area

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to democratic self-government on a local level.

§3 - Municipalities
  1. The municipality shall be the lowest administrative division of Saint Hilda.
  2. All land incorporated in a municipality shall be subject to the ordinances of the municipality.
  3. Municipalities shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each municipality may determine the form of representative government and the division of powers, if any, therein.
  4. Municipalities shall have the power to pass local ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services (law enforcement, firefighting, trash collection, public education, etc).

§4 - Departments
  1. Departments shall be the middle administrative division, below the national government.
  2. Parliament shall establish a number of departments, no less than ten (10), corresponding to historical and geographic regions. Parliament may establish additional departments, abolish, or merge departments as necessary.
  3. All land within the departments, including incorporated municipalities, shall be subject to the ordinances of the department.
  4. Departments shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each department shall be governed by a departmental council.
  5. Departmental councils shall have the power to pass ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services.

§5 - National Law
  1. No municipality or department may pass an ordinance that would conflict with national law.


Local government bill. Municipalities and departments are administrative divisions and do not have irrevocable rights like in a federation.

To me at least, "municipality" sounds like it applies to only urban areas. Maybe a different word could be used for rural subdivisions. "Commune" (as in Swedish kommun) or "county" are possibilities.

But this is a minor issue, so I sponsor this. (Anna Nilsson, PLP)


Legal Justice Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of courts and justice

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Citation - a low-level offense that carries no penalty of imprisonment
  2. Criminal offense - an offense against the criminal code of Saint Hilda

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers for any criminal or civil offense that rises beyond the level of a citation.
  2. Juries shall consist of 12 individuals selected from a random pool of residents of Saint Hilda.
  3. Any individual convicted of a criminal offense has the right to appeal the decision of the court to a higher court. There shall be no jury for an appeal.
  4. Any individual may choose to waive their right to a jury trial and have their case heard solely by a judge.
  5. All individuals charged with a crime have the right to an attorney. If they cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for them at public expense.

§3 - Court System
  1. There shall be three levels of courts in Saint Hilda: department courts, courts of appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  2. All courts fall under the purview of the Ministry of Justice and all employees of courts shall be considered employees of the national government.
  3. There shall be one (1) department court in each department of Saint Hilda. Department courts are responsible for hearing cases relating to criminal offenses, as well as civil lawsuits. No case shall be heard in a higher court without first being heard in a department court. Department courts shall have no less than five (5) judges to hear cases, though only one (1) judge shall hear each case.
  4. There shall be five (5) courts of appeals, each encompassing multiple departments. The courts of appeals shall hear all cases appealed in the departments for which they are responsible. Each court of appeals shall have nine (9) judges, and three (3) judges shall hear each case.
  5. There shall be one (1) Supreme Court of Saint Hilda. The decision of the Supreme Court shall be final in all cases. The Supreme Court shall have the right to hear or choose not to hear any cases appealed to it from the courts of appeals. No case shall be appealed to the Supreme Court without first having been heard in a court of appeals. The Supreme Court shall have seven (7) judges, who shall be referred to as justices, and all justices, when able to be present, shall hear each case.
  6. Departments may establish special jurisdictional courts (bankruptcy, traffic, etc) as they believe to be necessary. All courts created in this way shall be the responsibility of the department and all employees considered employees of the department. The selection of judges and employees for these courts shall be on the basis of merit.

§4 - Selection for the Judiciary
  1. All judges, whether for department, appeals, or Supreme courts, shall be selected on the basis of merit. No individual shall be nominated for a judgeship who is not a licensed attorney or a citizen of Saint Hilda.
  2. The Prime Minister shall nominate, subject to a majority vote of Parliament, individuals to serve on the department courts, courts of Appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  3. The Ministry of Justice shall be charged with the identification and recommendation to the Prime Minister of suitable candidates for judgeship.
  4. Judges of the department courts shall serve for nine (9) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  5. Judges of the courts of appeals shall serve for twelve (12) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  6. Justices of the Supreme Court shall serve for fifteen (15) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.

§5 - Public Prosecutor and Public Defender
[list=a][*]Each department shall have an Office of the Public Prosecutor (OPP) and an Office of the Public Defender (OPD).
[*]The OPP shall be charged with the prosecution of criminal and civil offenses. Each departmental OPP shall have a Chief Prosecutor and no less than three (3) Assistant Prosecutors. The Chief Prosecutor shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPP and the prosecution of cases.
[*]The OPD shall be charged with the defense of individuals who cannot or choose not to hire an attorney of their own. Each departmental OPD shall have a Chief Defender and no less than five (5) Assistant Defenders. The Chief Defender shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPD and the defense of individuals.
[*]All applicants for the positions listed in this section of this Act shall be considered on the basis of merit. No individual shall be employed in one of the positions listed in this section of the Act who is not a licensed attorney.


Judiciary system bill. Sets up courts, selection of judges, and prosecution/defense.

Also, sponsor the Life Amendment and Conscription Act. Salomon Kombila Berggren, SHAPC.

1. §3 doesn't actually specify which court hears citations. I guess they'd fall under "civil lawsuits"?
2. The lower level courts in §3f are good, but I believe some basic lower-level court should be already created instead of asking the departments to create them— something like a magistrates' court for hearing trivial citations, in a jurisdiction smaller than the whole department (which would not be possible now if I'm reading it correctly)
3. Jury trials? Erk.
4. I think the "or" in "licensed attorney or citizen..." in §4a should be an "and".

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:57 am
by The Archipelago Territory
Admins, would we actually get to RP judges?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:22 am
by Roosevetania
Alozia wrote:Can someone give me a quick rundown of the situation Saint Helda is in?

I know that it's under the Swedish monarch, but how well established the government is? How many ministeries are there? Is there a constitution? Who's who in the government?

St. Hilda is a Caribbean nation which recently gained diplomatic independence from Sweden but is still under the Swedish monarch. The Governor-General, the stand-in for the monarch, is named Steve Stevenson (originally silly but it stuck) and is played by the admins. The Constitution establishes our government as a parliamentary system. After multiple confidence votes, Vedastia (Carl Von Leslie - NPP) was elected Prime Minister supported by a coalition of the National People's Party, Free People's Party, Christian People's Congress, Sankta Hilda All Patriots' Congress, and Center-Progressive.
The Liberated Territories (Sara Nygaard - FPP) is Deputy Prime Minister.
Arkhastok (Rasti Andresson - NPP) is Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Zurkerx (Jonathan Vasquez - FPP) is Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs.
I am Minister of Defense.
Nova Anglicana (Salomon Berggren - SHAPC) is Minister of Justice.
Puertollano (Oscar Holm - CPC) is Minister of Home Affairs.
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism (Marius Forsman - C-P) is Minister of Public Services.

The Archipelago Territory wrote:Admins, would we actually get to RP judges?

We will discuss this, but I think it would be cool.

Also, everyone, I would appreciate your input. Merni and I have been discussing the proposed Standing Orders and have made some changes. First of all, we changed the schedule from debate all week then vote on them all at once to debating and voting one at a time. But most importantly, we've been working on how amendments would work. There are three main ideas: one, don't allow amendments on the floor; two, allow them if the author accepts them; and three, vote on them separately before the bill which takes more time. What do y'all think?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:11 am
by Martune
I like amendment option #3 best.

At most you have (how I’d do it):
First reading and amendments intro
Amendment voting
Second reading
Final vote

The shorter way:
First Reading and amendments intro
Amendment voting
Final vote

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:12 am
by Martune
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Admins, would we actually get to RP judges?


My vote would be yes. But we will discuss who will fill the judge seats and how.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:14 am
by The Archipelago Territory
Martune wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Admins, would we actually get to RP judges?


My vote would be yes. But we will discuss who will fill the judge seats and how.

Maybe the admins control the high court, and the players control lower courts

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:16 am
by The Archipelago Territory
I’d personally like the structure that the Department Court has double the amount of judges as the appeals court and the Supreme Court is the admins

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:20 am
by Martune
The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Martune wrote:
My vote would be yes. But we will discuss who will fill the judge seats and how.

Maybe the admins control the high court, and the players control lower courts

It’d be a matter of player engagement.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:28 am
by The Archipelago Territory
Martune wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Maybe the admins control the high court, and the players control lower courts

It’d be a matter of player engagement.

Yeah, but it would definitely be good to have some sort of courts because when things happen like the church execution thing we can’t really do anything without a court

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:40 am
by Martune
The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Martune wrote:It’d be a matter of player engagement.

Yeah, but it would definitely be good to have some sort of courts because when things happen like the church execution thing we can’t really do anything without a court

Well I didn’t say we weren’t having courts. It’s how we will do the courts is what’s being debated

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 6:42 am
by Zurkerx
Martune wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Admins, would we actually get to RP judges?


My vote would be yes. But we will discuss who will fill the judge seats and how.


I have no problems either though this subject to further discussion.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:01 am
by Agarntrop
Nova Anglicana wrote:
Local Government Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of local government

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Municipality - an incorporated area, the lowest administrative division
  2. Department - the middle administrative division, consisting of at least one municipality and the surrounding area

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to democratic self-government on a local level.

§3 - Municipalities
  1. The municipality shall be the lowest administrative division of Saint Hilda.
  2. All land incorporated in a municipality shall be subject to the ordinances of the municipality.
  3. Municipalities shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each municipality may determine the form of representative government and the division of powers, if any, therein.
  4. Municipalities shall have the power to pass local ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services (law enforcement, firefighting, trash collection, public education, etc).

§4 - Departments
  1. Departments shall be the middle administrative division, below the national government.
  2. Parliament shall establish a number of departments, no less than ten (10), corresponding to historical and geographic regions. Parliament may establish additional departments, abolish, or merge departments as necessary.
  3. All land within the departments, including incorporated municipalities, shall be subject to the ordinances of the department.
  4. Departments shall have a representative form of government with free, fair, and regular elections. Each department shall be governed by a departmental council.
  5. Departmental councils shall have the power to pass ordinances, lay and collect taxes, and provide services.

§5 - National Law
  1. No municipality or department may pass an ordinance that would conflict with national law.


Local government bill. Municipalities and departments are administrative divisions and do not have irrevocable rights like in a federation.

Legal Justice Act
Author: Salomon Kombila Berggren (SHAPC)
Sponsors: Alexander Norberg (NPP)

A bill to establish a system of courts and justice

BE IT THEREFORE ENACTED, as follows:

§1 - Definitions
  1. Citation - a low-level offense that carries no penalty of imprisonment
  2. Criminal offense - an offense against the criminal code of Saint Hilda

§2 - Rights
  1. All residents of Saint Hilda are entitled to a trial by a jury of their peers for any criminal or civil offense that rises beyond the level of a citation.
  2. Juries shall consist of 12 individuals selected from a random pool of residents of Saint Hilda.
  3. Any individual convicted of a criminal offense has the right to appeal the decision of the court to a higher court. There shall be no jury for an appeal.
  4. Any individual may choose to waive their right to a jury trial and have their case heard solely by a judge.
  5. All individuals charged with a crime have the right to an attorney. If they cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for them at public expense.

§3 - Court System
  1. There shall be three levels of courts in Saint Hilda: department courts, courts of appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  2. All courts fall under the purview of the Ministry of Justice and all employees of courts shall be considered employees of the national government.
  3. There shall be one (1) department court in each department of Saint Hilda. Department courts are responsible for hearing cases relating to criminal offenses, as well as civil lawsuits. No case shall be heard in a higher court without first being heard in a department court. Department courts shall have no less than five (5) judges to hear cases, though only one (1) judge shall hear each case.
  4. There shall be five (5) courts of appeals, each encompassing multiple departments. The courts of appeals shall hear all cases appealed in the departments for which they are responsible. Each court of appeals shall have nine (9) judges, and three (3) judges shall hear each case.
  5. There shall be one (1) Supreme Court of Saint Hilda. The decision of the Supreme Court shall be final in all cases. The Supreme Court shall have the right to hear or choose not to hear any cases appealed to it from the courts of appeals. No case shall be appealed to the Supreme Court without first having been heard in a court of appeals. The Supreme Court shall have seven (7) judges, who shall be referred to as justices, and all justices, when able to be present, shall hear each case.
  6. Departments may establish special jurisdictional courts (bankruptcy, traffic, etc) as they believe to be necessary. All courts created in this way shall be the responsibility of the department and all employees considered employees of the department. The selection of judges and employees for these courts shall be on the basis of merit.

§4 - Selection for the Judiciary
  1. All judges, whether for department, appeals, or Supreme courts, shall be selected on the basis of merit. No individual shall be nominated for a judgeship who is not a licensed attorney or a citizen of Saint Hilda.
  2. The Prime Minister shall nominate, subject to a majority vote of Parliament, individuals to serve on the department courts, courts of Appeals, and the Supreme Court.
  3. The Ministry of Justice shall be charged with the identification and recommendation to the Prime Minister of suitable candidates for judgeship.
  4. Judges of the department courts shall serve for nine (9) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  5. Judges of the courts of appeals shall serve for twelve (12) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.
  6. Justices of the Supreme Court shall serve for fifteen (15) years or until they have resigned or been impeached by Parliament for conduct unbecoming of the office.

§5 - Public Prosecutor and Public Defender
[list=a][*]Each department shall have an Office of the Public Prosecutor (OPP) and an Office of the Public Defender (OPD).
[*]The OPP shall be charged with the prosecution of criminal and civil offenses. Each departmental OPP shall have a Chief Prosecutor and no less than three (3) Assistant Prosecutors. The Chief Prosecutor shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPP and the prosecution of cases.
[*]The OPD shall be charged with the defense of individuals who cannot or choose not to hire an attorney of their own. Each departmental OPD shall have a Chief Defender and no less than five (5) Assistant Defenders. The Chief Defender shall be the official responsible for the operations of the OPD and the defense of individuals.
[*]All applicants for the positions listed in this section of this Act shall be considered on the basis of merit. No individual shall be employed in one of the positions listed in this section of the Act who is not a licensed attorney.


Judiciary system bill. Sets up courts, selection of judges, and prosecution/defense.

Both bills are sponsored by James Penta, Green.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:56 am
by Alozia
Stenbeck would love to do an interview btw.