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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:00 pm
by Martune
Free China wrote:Considering establishing a political party but I don't know if I am late to the IC thread or not.

You always can but getting members might be hard at this point

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:01 pm
by Northern Davincia
Free China wrote:Considering establishing a political party but I don't know if I am late to the IC thread or not.

Joining an existing party has its own perks.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:28 pm
by East Meranopirus
Free China wrote:Considering establishing a political party but I don't know if I am late to the IC thread or not.

Join the Social Democratic Party and we'll recognize Taiwan as the real China.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:35 pm
by Northern Davincia
East Meranopirus wrote:
Free China wrote:Considering establishing a political party but I don't know if I am late to the IC thread or not.

Join the Social Democratic Party and we'll recognize Taiwan as the real China.

It was always the real China.

PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:57 pm
by Vienna Eliot

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:28 am
by Kalnorra
Is there a map of the nation?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:52 am
by Kalnorra
Nation Name: Kalnorra
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Party Name:Party of Authoritarian Freedom
Ideology Summary: Authoritarianism, Ultranationalist, Protectionism, Pro-life, Pro-gun, Economic Independence
Party Leader(s): Andy Larson
Party Abbreviation: PAF
Party Colors: Maroon, Silver
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:16 am
by Lysone
Kalnorra wrote:Is there a map of the nation?

There's one being worked on at the moment. Join the discord channel for the roleplay (link below), that's where the map has been posted.

https://discord.gg/MnjhKCd

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:09 pm
by Inhorto
The Universal Rights Amendment seeks to amend the constitution to guarantee its citizens rights, as well as to elaborate on the relationship between Saint Hildia's jurisdiction and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The rights are split into the following categories: rights to life and bodily integrity, right to equality before the law, right to vote, rights of free speech (as well as free assembly, petition, and press), rights to religious and cultural practice, rights before the judiciary and law, as well as other matters. I would appreciate any sponsors, regardless of party, and any amendments or suggestions you might have as well!

Universal Rights Amendment
Author: Eloise Eliasson (NPP)
Sponsors: Karl Bergen (SDP), Austin Miller (SHAPC), Robin Johnsson (NPP)


An amendment to the Constitution of Saint Hilda to give all persons within the territory of Saint Hilda rights and freedoms

BE IT ENACTED BY THE KING, sovereign of Saint Hilda, the Universal Rights Amendment to ensure common, universal rights to all citizens, permanent residents, foreigners, and those visiting for any period of time. To ensure all citizens the right to life, health, and opportunity. To guarantee all persons the right to speak freely, petition the government, and peacefully assemble to address grievances. To safeguard the freedom of worship and protect the sanctity of culture and tradition. To assure the equality of the sexes. To ensure the rights of all persons to a fair trial, and to protect them against abuse of power and government malpractice.



The Parliament of Saint Hilda shall introduce to the Constitution of Saint Hilda the following:

Section 1 - On the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and other matters of International Human rights
    The Government of Saint Hilda shall prescribe to the word and spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and shall thoroughly observe all directives of the United Nations Human Rights Council, as well as any other United Nations ombudsman institution concerned with human rights.

Section 2 - Inviolable rights of life and the person
  1. Human life is sacred above all else; all human life shall be protected by the state without exception. The Government of Saint Hilda shall not, for any purpose, impose the penalty of death.
    1. This clause shall not be interpreted to prohibit the killing of those who pose an immediate risk to the lives of others, or the killing in defense of one’s life or the lives of others, or killing of enemy combatants in wartime.
  2. The integrity of one’s physical person, as well as one’s property, possessions, and assets, shall not be violated except by officers of the law, and such violations shall only be done with the purpose of gathering evidence on the basis of probable cause or protecting others as directed and sanctioned by a court of law.
    1. The integrity of one’s body or possessions may be violated if the lives of others are immediately in jeopardy, or if one is found committing a crime in flagrante delicto.
    2. No person shall be held against their volition, except for persons serving time in a penitentiary for committed or suspected crimes as determined by a court of law, or those found to be an immediate threat to others.
    3. Private property shall only be made public by eminent domain for the public good, safety, or security.
  3. All persons are guaranteed the right to live in health, to have access to hospitals and care facilities, and to enjoy access to an acceptable standard of living.
  4. All persons are protected without exception from physical maiming, physiological abuse, or torture.

Section 3 - Equality before the law
    All persons, regardless of sex, religion, religion, culture, socioeconomic status, orientation, or political identity are equal before the Government of Saint Hilda, and shall not be discriminated against on those accounts.

Section 4 - Right of suffrage
  1. All citizens shall have the right to freely vote without burden or hindrance.
  2. The Government of Saint Hilda shall respect the votes of its citizens, and shall in no way attempt to alter them.
  3. The Government of Saint Hilda shall not institute a poll tax or attempt in any way to obstruct any citizen from voting.

Section 5 - Rights of free speech and similar protections
  1. The Government of Saint Hilda shall not infringe upon the free expression of any kind—verbal, written, artistic, etc.—of its citizen
    1. Expression that clearly intends to incite violence or encourage illegal behavior is not protected by this clause.
    2. This shall not be construed to prohibit the Government from protecting intellectual property.
    3. The Government of Saint Hilda is empowered to protect its citizens and organizations from libel, slander, and defamation of character.
  2. The Government of Saint Hilda shall protect the right of its citizens to petition to any authority, or to share their grievances without fear of reprisal.
  3. The Government of Saint Hilda shall sanction peaceful assembly, so long as such assembly does not threaten the well-being of others.
  4. The press shall enjoy special privilege within Saint Hilda; no press shall be searched, nor shall the press be forced to divulge information on its sources or operators, nor shall the Government of Saint Hilda interfere in any manner with the operations of the press.
    1. A press may be searched or commanded to reveal its sources if the lives of others are in jeopardy, as determined by a court of law.


Section 6 - Rights of religion and culture
  1. All persons shall have the right to practice or to abstain from practicing any religion.
  2. The Government of Saint Hilda shall not espouse, favor, or otherwise promote any religion or religious practice; it shall not comment or legislate on any non-violent religious practice.
  3. The Government of Saint Hilda shall not give money or special favor to any religion or religious institution for any reason except for philanthropic, non-evangelizing missions.
  4. Culture and cultural expression shall be protected; all cultures shall have the right to practice, maintain, and celebrate their traditions.
  5. The Government of Saint Hilda shall not promote a culture or cultural practice above any other, nor shall it give authority to a single cultural group.

Section 7 - Rights relating to the judiciary and law
  1. Upon arrest, all persons held for crimes yet unlitigated by a court of law shall have the right to apply for a writ of habeas corpus to be seen by a court within forty-eight hours of their detainment.
    1. This right may be suspended in wartime or in a state of civil emergency
  2. Criminal charges shall only be levied by a prosecutor under the direction of the state with the co-signature of the chief prosecutor responsible for the jurisdiction in which the crime was committed.
    1. In such cases where prosecution is brought by the chief prosecutor of a jurisdiction, the co-signature of the Attorney General shall be required. In such cases where the Attorney General brings forth prosecution, the co-signature of the Deputy Attorney General shall be required, or, if the aforementioned prosecution is of a crime occurring solely in one jurisdiction, the co-signature of the chief prosecutor of that jurisdiction shall be sufficient.
  3. All persons have a right to a fair, unbiased, and expeditious trial in a court of law.
  4. All persons charged with a felony or grievous criminal offense shall be tried before a jury of their peers to determine guilt.
  5. All persons shall have unconstrained access to a trained barrister or barristers for their civil or criminal defense, and all communication between a person and their barrister shall be privileged beyond any subpoena. If a person cannot afford a private barrister, the state shall furnish one for them.
    1. The plaintiffs of civil cases are not required to be furnished a lawyer.
  6. All persons shall have the right to access and examine any evidence or testimony against them, as well as the right to bring forth and compel any evidence or testimony in their defense. All evidence or testimony offered in support of the innocence of the defense must be considered, regardless of the nature of such evidence or testimony.
  7. All persons shall be privileged against self-incrimination; the right to invoke this privilege shall not be held against the person who invokes it.
    1. A spouse shall be privileged against incriminating their spouse and a parent shall be privileged against incriminating their child.
  8. All persons found culpable for a criminal or civil offense shall have the right to petition for a writ of certiorari before a higher court to appeal the sentence.
  9. No person shall be tried for the same offense more than once.

Section 8 - Free movement, privileges of the Swedish Monarch, and other matters
  1. All persons shall have the right to freely move through public places and purchase domicile in a place of theirchoosing, and shall have full right to leave Saint Hilda on their own volition.
  2. All native or foreign vessels—on land, in air, or at sea—shall be permitted entrance into the territory of Saint Hilda if such vessels are in need of serious repair.
  3. An exception is made for vessels of foreign armies, vessels transporting arms or armaments, or vessels commandeered by unlawful organizations or pirates.
  4. All minors below the age of majority shall be guaranteed an education.
  5. The Monarch of Sweden as well as all persons of their household are immune from criminal prosecution within the territory of Saint Hilda.
  6. Any person may, for any purpose, wave their rights before a court of law.
  7. No law shall be passed retroactively.

Section 9 - On application and amendments
  1. The Universal Rights Amendment shall apply to the government of Saint Hilda and all constituent and local governing bodies therein, as well as within all chancelleries, consulates, and other extensions of the Government of Saint Hilda abroad, as well as on all vessels of land or sea, public or private, that fly the Saint Hilda flag.
  2. An amendment of the Universal Rights Amendment may be adopted with the support of at least three-fourths of Parliament

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:39 pm
by The Archipelago Territory
What about these amendments?
11. Parliament shall pass no law abridging or severely limiting the right of the people to encrypt their documents and effects or allowing the government of Saint Hilda to decrypt documents and effects without a valid search warrant
12. No person shall be held to answer for a crime or to incriminate themselves except during a time of conflict recognized by parliament.
13. The right to a free public education shall not be abridged, nor shall the right to private education be similarly abridged.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:55 pm
by The Archipelago Territory
I think if we’re gonna have an Attorney General we should have a court system.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:28 pm
by Bigoted
Nation Name: Bigoted
History of Warnings, Bans, etc: I had some warnings, had a nation deleted.
Character Name (Optional, Add Full Profile In Database): John Åberg
Party (choose from existing parties or create one with the party application): United Socialist Labour Party


Party Name: United Socialist Labour Party
Ideology Summary: Marxism-Leninism
Party Leader(s): Bigoted (Politburo)
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Party Colors: Red, Gold
Party Members: Bigoted
Full Party Platform: TBA
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Party Logo: TBA

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:30 pm
by Kowani
On Religion: Can we make an exception, barring religious practices that cause harm to others, such as FGM or Human Sacrifice?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:15 pm
by Agarntrop
I would propose:
Amendment I - Removes Section 1.2
Amendment II - Amends Section 2.2.c. to read: "Private property shall only be made public by eminent domain for the security of the public"
Amendment III - Amends Section 5.1.a. to read "Expression that clearly intends to incite violence or encourage illegal behaviour is not protected by this clause."
Amendment IV - Removes Section 5.4.b.
Amendment V - Amends Section 7.1.a to read "This right may be suspended in wartime or a state of civil emergency"
Amendment VI - Removes Section 8.4
Amendment VII - Amends Section 9.2 to read "An amendment of the Universal Rights Amendment may be adopted with the support of a majority in parliament"

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:56 pm
by Inhorto
The Archipelago Territory wrote:What about these amendments?
11. Parliament shall pass no law abridging or severely limiting the right of the people to encrypt their documents and effects or allowing the government of Saint Hilda to decrypt documents and effects without a valid search warrant
12. No person shall be held to answer for a crime or to incriminate themselves except during a time of conflict recognized by parliament.
13. The right to a free public education shall not be abridged, nor shall the right to private education be similarly abridged.

12 is already in the bill. I like the idea of 11 and 13 and will find a way to wedge them in shortly.

Agarntrop wrote:Amendment I - Removes Section 1.2
Amendment II - Amends Section 2.2.c. to read: "Private property shall only be made public by eminent domain for the security of the public"
Amendment III - Amends Section 5.1.a. to read "Expression that clearly intends to incite violence or encourage illegal behaviour is not protected by this clause."
Amendment IV - Removes Section 5.4.b.
Amendment V - Amends Section 7.1.a to read "This right may be suspended in wartime or a state of civil emergency"
Amendment VI - Removes Section 8.4
Amendment VII - Amends Section 9.2 to read "An amendment of the Universal Rights Amendment may be adopted with the support of a majority in parliament"

I removed Section 1.2., edited 5.1.a., moved 5.4.b. to 5.1.c., and edited 7.1.a.

With respect to your proposed amendment of 2.2.c., I think it is too restrictive. The government has to be able to take land by expropriation to build a highway, that's why I included "public good" as an exception. Regarding 8.4., since the Monarch of Sweden is our sovereign, I stand firm that he is within his right not to be prosecuted on our territory. I also disagree with your proposed amendment of 9.2., as I think it should require a supermajority to amend a bill of rights. Would you prefer two-thirds instead of three-forths?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:49 pm
by Lysone
The Archipelago Territory wrote:13. The right to a free public education shall not be abridged, nor shall the right to private education be similarly abridged.

Are we really going to have a constitutional right to be privately educated? A right to an education, yes of course.

I'm not saying I believe all private education should be banned. But an issue of this level should be left to legislation later on, not shoved into our constitution.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:55 am
by Yaana Noore
Lysone wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:13. The right to a free public education shall not be abridged, nor shall the right to private education be similarly abridged.

Are we really going to have a constitutional right to be privately educated? A right to an education, yes of course.

I'm not saying I believe all private education should be banned. But an issue of this level should be left to legislation later on, not shoved into our constitution.

Agree. Needless inclusion.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:28 am
by The Archipelago Territory
Yaana Noore wrote:
Lysone wrote:Are we really going to have a constitutional right to be privately educated? A right to an education, yes of course.

I'm not saying I believe all private education should be banned. But an issue of this level should be left to legislation later on, not shoved into our constitution.

Agree. Needless inclusion.

But what if public education is forced? That is much worse than the lack of public education

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:28 am
by Yaana Noore
The Archipelago Territory wrote:But what if public education is forced? That is much worse than the lack of public education

Why is it?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:35 am
by The Archipelago Territory
Everyone should be able to have a private education. Public education sucks at educating kids with learning disabilities and exceptionally gifted kids

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 7:48 am
by East Meranopirus
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Everyone should be able to have a private education. Public education sucks at educating kids with learning disabilities and exceptionally gifted kids

Umm...If everyone can have a private education, that's called public education. If you're referring to the right to choose, then say so, because that's a different matter and is a part of a broader "right of choice".

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:30 am
by Inhorto
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Everyone should be able to have a private education. Public education sucks at educating kids with learning disabilities and exceptionally gifted kids

I will just say that everyone has a right to an education and be done with it.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:34 am
by Crylante
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Everyone should be able to have a private education. Public education sucks at educating kids with learning disabilities and exceptionally gifted kids

Of course, that may well be the case that many public education systems fail to adequately take care of those two groups of children.

It is just an unfortunate reality that many of those children will be born to lower income families who cannot afford to go to private education and thus endorsing that as a solution for the education of those with learning disabilities and exceptionally gifted children is woefully myopic.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:55 pm
by Vienna Eliot

PostPosted: Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:14 pm
by Kowani
Lysone wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:13. The right to a free public education shall not be abridged, nor shall the right to private education be similarly abridged.

Are we really going to have a constitutional right to be privately educated? A right to an education, yes of course.

I'm not saying I believe all private education should be banned. But an issue of this level should be left to legislation later on, not shoved into our constitution.

You know, I have a bill on this. I just can’t submit it ‘till the current session finishes.