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The Archipelago Territory
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New York Times Democracy

Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:56 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:1. Socialism is a system of economic thought wherein capital goods are publicly owned. This is not socialism. This has nothing to do with socialism.

2. Nowhere in the bill, at any point, is a 50% tax rate proscribed for anything at all.

3. There are no donation exemptions in this tax scheme, in fact there are no exemptions at all. Donating to a political cause is not a way to escape income tax in this scheme.

Yes it would be, because if you donate you can reduce your income
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Lamaredia
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:58 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Saint Hilda Cartographic Society wrote:NOTE: The Saint Hilda Cartographic Society, and all maps/information related to them, are unofficial and not admin-approved at this time.

The Saint Hilda Cartographic Society is now keeping track of the 46 Parliamentary constituencies of Saint Hilda. You can find the relevant information here.

If you would like to apply to provide information for a constituency (including a name, the parliamentarian representing the constituency, and the party represented), please telegram the information to this account in the following format.

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[b]SHCS Constituency Information Form[/b]
[b]Constituency ID:[/b]
[b]Constituency Name:[/b]
[b]Constituency Representative:[/b]
[b]Representative's Party:[/b]
[b]Any relevant database links:[/b]


The Saint Hilda Cartographic Society reserves the right to refuse applications, and/or rename constituencies, if and when that may be helpful to building a realistic and interesting projection of the nation.


If you are not admin approved you can’t change constituency names

I approve of them, and give them the rights to deny and make alterations to names if they're unfit.

East Meranopirus wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:I support the map I’m just saying he can’t change the names of our constituencies

Also, the admins have nothing to do with constituency names, they were made up by the player.

Technically true, but if someone were to go with a really ridiculous constituency name we might intervene.
Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

Currently a co-admin of the NS Parliament RP

Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:01 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:1. Socialism is a system of economic thought wherein capital goods are publicly owned. This is not socialism. This has nothing to do with socialism.

2. Nowhere in the bill, at any point, is a 50% tax rate proscribed for anything at all.

3. There are no donation exemptions in this tax scheme, in fact there are no exemptions at all. Donating to a political cause is not a way to escape income tax in this scheme.

Yes it would be, because if you donate you can reduce your income

Donating, or spending money in any way, does not reduce your income. It increases your expenses.

Personal income is the earnings of an individual, and it is not changed by spending those earnings.

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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:04 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Yes it would be, because if you donate you can reduce your income

Donating, or spending money in any way, does not reduce your income. It increases your expenses.

Personal income is the earnings of an individual, and it is not changed by spending those earnings.


But the person could tell the business “pay me 15,000, and give 5,000 to charity”
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The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:05 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:Donating, or spending money in any way, does not reduce your income. It increases your expenses.

Personal income is the earnings of an individual, and it is not changed by spending those earnings.


But the person could tell the business “pay me 15,000, and give 5,000 to charity”

To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:06 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:
But the person could tell the business “pay me 15,000, and give 5,000 to charity”

To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

Yes.
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Rebels and Saints
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:10 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

Yes.


Is that scenario a problem?
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Vienna Eliot
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:16 am

While Archipelago's hypotheticals are a little silly, someone will need to write a tax code eventually to ensure that taxation can be administered and that fraud can be prosecuted.

Lamaredia wrote:
East Meranopirus wrote:Also, the admins have nothing to do with constituency names, they were made up by the player.

Technically true, but if someone were to go with a really ridiculous constituency name we might intervene.

Are you telling me my constituency of South Fuckmerizocshire is at risk?

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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:21 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

Yes.

In that case, you are still not reducing your income by donating. You are reducing your income by being paid less. Where the difference goes is irrelevant.

In the end, I'm not particularly worried about the possibility that people might try to avoid taxes by making less money. It's self-defeating because there is no way to save more on income tax than you lose in reduced income.

(it's not even a great way to go about it, because that $5k would likely be taxed at a higher rate if the business kept it rather than paying it in salaries/wages)

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Lysone
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Postby Lysone » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”

Much as I want the legislation being debated to pass, you do realise that a confidence and supply agreement isn't legally binding? It's a deal between politicians, not a legal a contract. Your coalition can break it all they like. You'd just be going back on a deal and surrendering your credibility as a negotiating partner.

(Moved this here to avoid cluttering chamber with OOC)
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:43 am

Lysone wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”

Much as I want the legislation being debated to pass, you do realise that a confidence and supply agreement isn't legally binding? It's a deal between politicians, not a legal a contract. Your coalition can break it all they like. You'd just be going back on a deal and surrendering your credibility as a negotiating partner.

(Moved this here to avoid cluttering chamber with OOC)


That's what I told him.
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Postby Martune » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:45 am

As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.
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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:45 am

Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.

Thank you.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:46 am

Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.


Hear, hear!
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Which Virtue Am I?: Diligence
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I like to argue. I don't have anything against you. I don't dislike you. Sometimes my mouth gets ahead of me. It's just something I do, and I'll be just as happy to be your friend after the argument as before it.

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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:49 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.


Hear, hear!

Martune is an admin so you don’t have to say that
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:52 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.


Hear, hear!

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Vienna Eliot
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:58 am

I resign.

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Postby Martune » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:59 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Of course
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:26 am

You don't need to know what my pro and anti are as long as you know I think the Alt-Right and SJWs are both irritating and demented.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:31 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-IQAdFU3w


Truth.
MBTI: ENTP-A
Zodiac: Aquarius
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Which Virtue Am I?: Diligence
Which Sin Am I?: Wrath
Favorite Color?: Black. Which is a color. If you don't count it, red.
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I like to argue. I don't have anything against you. I don't dislike you. Sometimes my mouth gets ahead of me. It's just something I do, and I'll be just as happy to be your friend after the argument as before it.

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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:31 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:


Truth.

We need a new speaker
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:35 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-IQAdFU3w


Argantrop, do you still want to get rid of the whole thing about Penta going to jail?
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Borovan entered the region as he
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Well, crap.
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Dorgival R. Seč of the NS Parliament!
Atheist and still proud of it.
Post-Capitalist, Post-Nationalist.
Rights are functionally just privileges society has deemed important.
Prydania wrote:
As a Canadian? I find Americans and their deep, deep distrust of the government to be fundamentally, critically, laughably flawed. I find some aspects of your country completely absurd. The distrust of anything remotely resembling authority is one. The gun problem that stems from that is another.

0% Capitalism

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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.

No, she removed her post, we had to repost it. That’s bad
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