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The Archipelago Territory
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:06 am

The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:
But the person could tell the business “pay me 15,000, and give 5,000 to charity”

To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

Yes.
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Rebels and Saints
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:10 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

Yes.


Is that scenario a problem?
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Vienna Eliot
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:16 am

While Archipelago's hypotheticals are a little silly, someone will need to write a tax code eventually to ensure that taxation can be administered and that fraud can be prosecuted.

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East Meranopirus wrote:Also, the admins have nothing to do with constituency names, they were made up by the player.

Technically true, but if someone were to go with a really ridiculous constituency name we might intervene.

Are you telling me my constituency of South Fuckmerizocshire is at risk?

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The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism
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Postby The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:21 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
The Miaphysite Church of Coptic Archism wrote:To understand this scenario, are you referring to an employee asking their employer to pay them less, and donate the difference to a political movement?

Yes.

In that case, you are still not reducing your income by donating. You are reducing your income by being paid less. Where the difference goes is irrelevant.

In the end, I'm not particularly worried about the possibility that people might try to avoid taxes by making less money. It's self-defeating because there is no way to save more on income tax than you lose in reduced income.

(it's not even a great way to go about it, because that $5k would likely be taxed at a higher rate if the business kept it rather than paying it in salaries/wages)

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Postby Lysone » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:26 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”

Much as I want the legislation being debated to pass, you do realise that a confidence and supply agreement isn't legally binding? It's a deal between politicians, not a legal a contract. Your coalition can break it all they like. You'd just be going back on a deal and surrendering your credibility as a negotiating partner.

(Moved this here to avoid cluttering chamber with OOC)
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:43 am

Lysone wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:Austin turns to Lance, “maybe he can fight it, but I can’t. They’ve got me in a legally binding contract I never knew about, and I’m the Deputy Leader of a major Conservative party. It would look shady and completely destroy our deal if I voted against it, and we need this deal.”

Much as I want the legislation being debated to pass, you do realise that a confidence and supply agreement isn't legally binding? It's a deal between politicians, not a legal a contract. Your coalition can break it all they like. You'd just be going back on a deal and surrendering your credibility as a negotiating partner.

(Moved this here to avoid cluttering chamber with OOC)


That's what I told him.
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Postby Martune » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:45 am

As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:45 am

Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.

Thank you.
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:46 am

Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.


Hear, hear!
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:49 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.


Hear, hear!

Martune is an admin so you don’t have to say that
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Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:52 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Martune wrote:As far as anyone is concerned whispering to colleagues is allowed in the chamber. It isn’t a big deal and shouldn’t be treated as such. It’s happened in the past and is a perfectly acceptable form of RP.


Hear, hear!

…Isn’t this thread OOC?
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Vienna Eliot
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Postby Vienna Eliot » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:58 am

I resign.

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Postby Martune » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:59 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Of course
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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:26 am

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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:31 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-IQAdFU3w


Truth.
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Enmeagram: 5 (Wing 4)
House: Slytherin or Gryffindor, depending on the day.
Which Virtue Am I?: Diligence
Which Sin Am I?: Wrath
Favorite Color?: Black. Which is a color. If you don't count it, red.
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I like to argue. I don't have anything against you. I don't dislike you. Sometimes my mouth gets ahead of me. It's just something I do, and I'll be just as happy to be your friend after the argument as before it.

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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:31 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:


Truth.

We need a new speaker
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:35 am

Agarntrop wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=H6-IQAdFU3w


Argantrop, do you still want to get rid of the whole thing about Penta going to jail?
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I like to argue. I don't have anything against you. I don't dislike you. Sometimes my mouth gets ahead of me. It's just something I do, and I'll be just as happy to be your friend after the argument as before it.

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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.

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Democratic Socialists

Postby Kowani » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Well, crap.
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Postby The Archipelago Territory » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:36 am

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.

No, she removed her post, we had to repost it. That’s bad
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Postby Rebels and Saints » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:37 am

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:
Vienna Eliot wrote:I resign.

Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.


The admins ruled that she wouldn't be coming back.
MBTI: INTP-A
Enmeagram: 5 (Wing 4)
House: Slytherin or Gryffindor, depending on the day.
Which Virtue Am I?: Diligence
Which Sin Am I?: Wrath
Favorite Color?: Black. Which is a color. If you don't count it, red.
8 Values Results?: https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.7&s=72.6

I like to argue. I don't have anything against you. I don't dislike you. Sometimes my mouth gets ahead of me. It's just something I do, and I'll be just as happy to be your friend after the argument as before it.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Lamaredia » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:42 am

Rebels and Saints wrote:
Borovan entered the region as he wrote:Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.


The admins ruled that she wouldn't be coming back.

At least not for a while, before she matures and accepts that two admins can overrule her, and that she would do well to listen to the admins reasoning before pulling out a fainting couch.
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Currently representing the SLP/R, Leading to a brighter future, in the NS Parliament RP as Representative Jonas Trägårdh Apelstierna.

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Political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59

Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:44 am

ATTENTION! / ATTENTION ! / ACHTUNG! / ¡ATENCIÓN! / GEHÖR!
I am retconning all posts about Penta getting arrested. It was stupid, unrealistic and ridiculous escapade for the sake of my own humor. This applies to all IC threads.
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Postby Borovan entered the region as he » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:46 am

The Archipelago Territory wrote:
Borovan entered the region as he wrote:Can you please come back. You were a good speaker. The whispering thing was a point I disagree but maybe that can be worked. It's really be annoying to go through nominations ande vote another speaker and go again.

No, she removed her post, we had to repost it. That’s bad

Oh. Yeah that's bad.

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Postby Agarntrop » Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:47 am

Borovan entered the region as he wrote:
The Archipelago Territory wrote:No, she removed her post, we had to repost it. That’s bad

Oh. Yeah that's bad.

The last one was a bit like that also. We thought she was really good but then had a dicky fit over a small issue and fucked a lot up and left.
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Our NHS Is Not For Sale!

Sanders 2020 Biden 2020

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