1906: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-DEAD]

[Oscalantine]

Full Nation Name : Bengal Empire

[ACCEPTED]. Nothing seems out of place.

[Tracian Empire]

Hey Pasong, should I just have my prince arrive in Addis Ababa? The WRE might send a representative there too if you'd like, it could be fun.

[Oscalantine]

Will continue to slowly work on approving apps. Hopefully I can get everyone in on reasonable timeframe ;;;

Btw, if you are finished with the app for awhile and you didn't get any feedback, the odds are that I missed it. Please send me TG saying that you have and I'll try to approve it as soon as possible!

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

With some minor focus testing, I present to you: Images of the Empire I, a hand-painted work (in MS Paint) portraying an Italian peasant wielding a hoe and trowel, probably instructed to do so by the painter to emphasize his peasant-ness. This shows the translation of Roman fashion and Eastern influence, in conglomeration with the changing times, the West, and independent development, into a style for the 19th century. His long sleeves are corded up at the elbow to allow for hard work, he wears baggy pants (Caesar would weep!), and his boots (fit for working) are laced up with gold-colored cord wrapped in the style of classical sandal straps. He wears a necklace of natural-color glass embedded in silver, and maintains a poofy, but short, hairdo with some shaving. It's hardly classical, perhaps more Christian in nature.

[Reverend Norv]

Hey Pasong, should I just have my prince arrive in Addis Ababa? The WRE might send a representative there too if you'd like, it could be fun.

Addis Ababa is shaping up to be a fun sort of cloak-and-dagger city, crawling with Roman royalty and heavily armed French union organizers.

[Tracian Empire]

Hey Pasong, should I just have my prince arrive in Addis Ababa? The WRE might send a representative there too if you'd like, it could be fun.

Addis Ababa is shaping up to be a fun sort of cloak-and-dagger city, crawling with Roman royalty and heavily armed French union organizers.

Don't you worry, the aggeliaphóroi/angeliofóroi are going to be there too

[Benuty]

Will get a post up soon.

[The Ik Ka Ek Akai]

And my first post is up. It's not really an opening post, because Thrace and I talked and we're just going to continue what we were doing in the last thread, picking up from where we left off. If you want a real opener, check the link at the top of the post, and adjust dates at necessary.

[Kazarogkai]

Should get a post up by tomorrow. Probably going to be something internal meant more so to introduce the place more than anything else. I commonly play these RPs from a character stand point sorta but for the moment I probably will refrain from that for now. I was thinking of doing something interesting with my neighbors namely Columbia and Sweden, probably after the former gets properly accepted. Something in the realm of Guyanese backed Venezuelan Revolutionaries based in the Guyana border regions trying to surreptitiously smuggle some of their men into Swedish Venezuela. Doing so via bypassing the heavily defended Swedish-Guyana border zone by going through the arguably far less guarded Columbia-Guyana border instead. Why not Ratchet up some of that good ole world tensions aye?

[Pasong Tirad]

Addis Ababa is shaping up to be a fun sort of cloak-and-dagger city, crawling with Roman royalty and heavily armed French union organizers.

Don't you worry, the aggeliaphóroi/angeliofóroi are going to be there too

Yes, please feel free to send anything and everything my way!

[Alt Div Admin]

• Updated accepted nations list, removed reservation for Colombia
• Updated map

~Thrace

[Kazarogkai]

• Updated accepted nations list, removed reservation for Colombia
• Updated map

~Thrace

Columbia just got got, might have to reevaluate a little and reconsider sum stuff. I might need another day for the post. Sorry about that ladies and gents.

Also the name of my nation is the Revolutionary State, not the Commonwealth anymore. They had a bit of a falling out with France so naming themselves after them would be awkward.

[Intermountain States]

I’d say that for the interest of stability, the non-revolutionary countries in the Americas should try and contain the Guyanese

[Kazarogkai]

I’d say that for the interest of stability, the non-revolutionary countries in the Americas should try and contain the Guyanese

I kinda helped atleast one of them(Argentina) plus the former Columbia in gaining their independence. Plus I think I might have helped your country too. You got independence from your nation in a violent manner and are a republic, weird one but still, hence Guyana basically as per implied in my app during the time that you gained independence(in the 1830s-40s) was still all into spreading the revolutionary flag far and wide. Hence would have freely provided aid mostly in the form of arms to your nation during said war whether directly or indirectly. Mix that in with my implied hostile relations with Imperial American who are literally derived from my former colonial owner who so happen last I checked seems to have some tensions on the Mississippi river border with your nation makes things even more awkward. By all indications your nation and mine would probably have been atleast amicable if not beast friends during this time period strangely enough. Also what is your nation's definition of Revolutionary? Their's is in effect any new world, non monarchist nation who either gained Independence from a colonial power in a violent manner or overthrew a previously non republican government within their nation. By their standards you yourself are a Revolutionary nation hence they wouldn't have any outstanding issues with your nation barring you incorporating some sort of past conflict between are nations I guess.

Just putting that out there for you

[Intermountain States]

I’d say that for the interest of stability, the non-revolutionary countries in the Americas should try and contain the Guyanese

I kinda helped atleast one of them(Argentina) plus the former Columbia in gaining their independence. Plus I think I might have helped your country too. You got independence from your nation in a violent manner and are a republic, weird one but still, hence Guyana basically as per implied in my app during the time that you gained independence(in the 1830s-40s) was still all into spreading the revolutionary flag far and wide. Hence would have freely provided aid mostly in the form of arms to your nation during said war whether directly or indirectly. Mix that in with my implied hostile relations with Imperial American who are literally derived from my former colonial owner who so happen last I checked seems to have some tensions on the Mississippi river border with your nation makes things even more awkward. By all indications your nation and mine would probably have been atleast amicable if not beast friends during this time period strangely enough. Also what is your nation's definition of Revolutionary? Their's is in effect any new world, non monarchist nation who either gained Independence from a colonial power in a violent manner or overthrew a previously non republican government within their nation. By their standards you yourself are a Revolutionary nation hence they wouldn't have any outstanding issues with your nation barring you incorporating some sort of past conflict between are nations I guess.

Just putting that out there for you

Now hold on, I don’t recall Busang ever being helped by any country outside of the Korean imperial government in my application. I don’t remember you asking me if Guyana can aid Busang’s independence and being friendly with them, let alone saying yes to any of them

[Oscalantine]

Wait, shit. Was there part of the app that you guys didnt agree on? I will look at that right now.

EDIT: I got to look at the Free Guyana again, and there was no way of the OP to know whether the Commonwealth helped Busang with independence.

For reference, I looked at two points of history where Busang and Commonwealth COULD have interacted, and refuted each due to respective rationale:

1. Early 1775-1805 : "So it was at this point Solomon would set a new plan in motion organizing small groups of Expeditionary units, one of which he would lead, who would armed with weapons and ammo go on to attempt to incite rebellions in the surrounding lands. Solomon would with a few companions, 24 in total, lead his forces back to a land he had called home so long ago."
   • I saw possibility, but doubtful, since it was a simple regrouping and not going abroad for revolutionary activities. Furthermore, around 1775, Busang was still a loyal colony of Korea with growing dissent towards the colonies, but still loyal.
2. 1806-1820 : "This would lead Guyana onto another path from where it would form a in later years a vital component in the Spanish American wars of Independence providing aid to any revolutionaries on this side of the Atlantic who appealed for aid. Though Solomon never fully got to see it his forces would go onto help in the breaking of the imperialist shackles in much of the new world."
   • Much more likely, since it was around this time when the war of independence of Busang actually happened. However, the quote "this side of the Atlantic" gave me understanding that Busang wasn't even part of the discussion, since Busang was in the Pacific Ocean. At best, maybe the Commonwealth gave Busang political support of acknowledgement? But that would be ultimately unnecessary as implied in Busang, Korean Imperial government ultimately allowed Busang's independence and gave its support and blessing to become a fledgling nation... mainly because there was and still is dispute between the mainland government and the colonial one in Korea's colonies itself. I would imagine that Korean Imperial Government allowed Busang to have smooth transition and gave support to become independent, since the action ultimately would have legitimized itself using Busang's independence.

That was my rationale for accepting Free Guyana without discussing Busang, as there was no connection between the two nations. If you would like, after reaching agreement you guys can TG me, and I'll keep that in mind as collective history.

[Oscalantine]

Full Nation Name : Federal Republic of Nova Tarragona

[ACCEPTED]. Nothing more to add apart from maybe working with Free Guyana for some revolutionary issues, but that is ultimately your call and your app will take precedence in your country.

[Oscalantine]

I am going to start working on Portugal's app now, but after that, I am shooting at the dark in terms of who needs to be accepted further.

Please TG me for confirmation if you are unsure who is working on your app when it is accepted. I start working on it as soon as Portugal app is approved.

[Insaeldor]

I'll get to work on a post soon.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I LIVE...again.

'twas a tough week. Losing my history when the forums went down last time was a hard blow and neither college nor work gave me much respite over the week. Granted, they ain't giving me much now either but it should be enough to get up something of a history again.

[Kazarogkai]

I kinda helped atleast one of them(Argentina) plus the former Columbia in gaining their independence. Plus I think I might have helped your country too. You got independence from your nation in a violent manner and are a republic, weird one but still, hence Guyana basically as per implied in my app during the time that you gained independence(in the 1830s-40s) was still all into spreading the revolutionary flag far and wide. Hence would have freely provided aid mostly in the form of arms to your nation during said war whether directly or indirectly. Mix that in with my implied hostile relations with Imperial American who are literally derived from my former colonial owner who so happen last I checked seems to have some tensions on the Mississippi river border with your nation makes things even more awkward. By all indications your nation and mine would probably have been atleast amicable if not beast friends during this time period strangely enough. Also what is your nation's definition of Revolutionary? Their's is in effect any new world, non monarchist nation who either gained Independence from a colonial power in a violent manner or overthrew a previously non republican government within their nation. By their standards you yourself are a Revolutionary nation hence they wouldn't have any outstanding issues with your nation barring you incorporating some sort of past conflict between are nations I guess.

Just putting that out there for you

Now hold on, I don’t recall Busang ever being helped by any country outside of the Korean imperial government in my application. I don’t remember you asking me if Guyana can aid Busang’s independence and being friendly with them, let alone saying yes to any of them

I distinctly remember sending a TG to a number of people, maybe I missed you I guess?

Also wait a minute, i'm trying to figure if I read your app correctly. Did you not state you had a multi year war of independence during which time you fought physically for independence am I correct? Let me reiterate my point. During the time period immediately after independence(1806) Guyana went on to actively support the various New World, that is what I meant by this side of the Atlantic, Republican Independence movements that were popping up providing political recognition for their governments and freely offering military support to any who desired it. So what I was trying to say is my country during that would of at the very minimal politically recognized your government from the get go seeing that you where trying to gain your independence and would have OFFERED Military support, I never said anywhere in my app or meant to imply as such that you took said you took said aid or would have taken it only that it was on the table for any and all countries irregardless. Within my app I more or less wished to from the get go imply some sort of relationship with all my neighbors and kinda incorporate the fact that they existed in some sense or another without specifically mentioning them; ultimately leaving the door open if they so pleased to further elaborate upon the nature of said relationship if they want. Being that my nation in question is so internationalist in concerns and actively involved in international politics and discourse I believed it would be best to assume some sort of relationship of sorts would exist with all my neighbors(your literally right across from me) in some shape or form and wanted to imply the nature of that. To the new world republics minus Brasil(historical border problems) the relationship would be implied to be rather civil, to the monarchies and those imperial powers owning colonial territory in the new world it would be hostile. When I implied the Relationship between Busang and Guyana, I never mentioned you directly in my app though, what I meant by amicable was less friends and more we wouldn't probably be openly hostile nor have particular reason to be. Hence as I said before "hence they wouldn't have any outstanding issues with your nation barring you incorporating some sort of past conflict between are nations I guess.".

[Alt Div Admin]

• List and map updated
• Reservations removed: Morocco, Bresil, Kingdom of the Avars
• Reservation added: Kingdom of the Gepids

[Tracian Empire]

Alright, we're really close to completely cleaning the map of inactive players.

If people return and the territories they are interested in are still free they can certainly app for them again, but we can't just wait for weeks without hearing anything from people.

[Kazarogkai]

Just did some basic edits within the my app and history post. Mostly grammatical fixes for quality of reading. Though only definitive and notable change was in the military section changing the reason for why Legion III has the name "The Green Hell Marchers" from an expedition to Argentina to simply being derived from the units that attacked the French fort of Macapa after they broke off relations during the war of independence.

Without further objections I should be able to get a post up by tomorrow, unless someone has anything else needing to be discussed.

[Tracian Empire]

Just did some basic edits within the my app and history post. Mostly grammatical fixes for quality of reading. Though only definitive and notable change was in the military section changing the reason for why Legion III has the name "The Green Hell Marchers" from an expedition to Argentina to simply being derived from the units that attacked the French fort of Macapa after they broke off relations during the war of independence.

>Legion III
>Legion
https://imgur.com/EYChTSc