1906: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-DEAD]

[Finland SSR]

Sweet.

And by the Congo, I assume that you mean the DRC?

The Belgian Congo. So DRC + Rwanda and Burundi.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Announcements

Date: 21.04.2019

Announcements from AltDiv Development

Applications

• New Rule concerning Dreadnaughts and Naval Description.
  
  • No country can start with Dreadnaughts in the application process
  • All applicatoins with Dreadnaughts on the app will be null-and-void until Dreadnaught description is removed
  • All countries with "Modern" or "Semi-industrialized" will have the option to create Dreadnaughts starting from day1 post. They are close, just that they must create a post with production to be recognized as having them.
  • Two (2) countries with best Naval Description will be awarded by the OP Board to start with a working prototype of a Dreadnaught that the country can post in the app to be recognized.
• Those with the "Dreadnaught" apps, please revise and TG me that you are ready to be edited.
• Obviously, Main OP's app (Most Serene Imperial States of Korea) will be exempt from this rule and it will NOT start with Dreadnaught to be impartial.

Main OP

• The new rules on Dreadnaughts will be edited to meet this new rule.

*proceeds to absolutely neglect dreadnaughts*

Building dreadnaughts at a nice round date like 1910 sounds much better for a country that leaves naval affairs to a bunch of poor states.

[Oscalantine]

Mind you, nothing is stopping anyone from owning pre-dreadnaughts. Like I said, the technology is there, we don't want anyone to produce them yet.

Main reason that OP Board considered is how game-breaking it was just by the mere presence AS WELL AS how resource-intensive it was to keep just a few of them around. To summarize what Trace said in our discussion of this issue, the dreadnaughts were basically a symbol of a country's naval power. It represented their greatest and the most powerful asset, but just that much valuable and stupidly expensive to produce. It was supposed to be carefully cared for, and put into service only when its overwhelming firepower was a 100% guarnatee of victory.

Which is why I guess they were seldom employed XDDD

Regarldess, when we start, I am going to keep track of all the dreadnaughts in service, and they themselves will serve as a powerful but super-expensive asset to the nations that owns them. I won't go out of my way to kill them, but when I do decide wars, the people who are ... you know, just using dreadnaughts without any careful consideration of its IRL concerns, will be punished by having them being removed, and that nation suffering in future naval conflicts as a result.

[Finland SSR]

Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Spain / Reino de España
Majority/Official Culture : Spanish
Territorial Core : Mainland Spain, Equatorial Guinea (colony), Spanish Congo (colony)
Territorial Claim : Further colonial expansion in Africa, primarily Breton Congo and Gabon to connect our two colonies. Maybe Portugal, but highly unlikely.
Capital City : Madrid
Population :

• Mainland Spain: 19 240 000
• Spanish Congo: 4 575 000
• Spanish Guinea: 144 000

Government Type : Corporatist monarchy.
Government Ideology/Policies : Integrism - an ultra-conservative, Catholic corporatist political philosophy formed out of the right wing of the victorious Carlist movement in the 1880s. Historically, it, like other strands of Integralism, are seen as a monarchist prototype of the Fascist movements which would spring up after the First World War (in Spain's case, it would be the Falangists). Integrists consider themselves to be a third position between liberalism and socialism, both of which they despise to the core, and instead espouse organicism - the idea that a state should be a self-contained organism composed of traditional components, such as families, communities, provinces and professional corporations. Representation should be exercised and channeled through these components, rather than elections, which Integrists believed will lead to the atomization to society. Alongside all of that, they espouse the unquestionable role of a divinely chosen individual, the King, and the Catholic Church in the guidance of the state, as well as are extremely nationalist and xenophobic. However, their nationalism does not include imperialistic expansionism - its organic corporatism posits that each nation state should be left to its own devices, and conquest of foreign lands, thus including millions of foreigners into the organic Kingdom, is a foolish mistake.
Government Focus : Nationalist fervor.
Head of State : His Royal Majesty, King of Spain, Carlos VII of Alba de Tormes

Head of Government : Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Spain, Ramón Nocedal Romea

Government Description : The Kingdom of Spain is not a democracy by any means, but it is not an absolute monarchy either, most of the power in the state instead wielded by the Prime Minister and the Cortes Generales. The Cortes Generales may be compared by some to a parliament, it even follows the bicameral Westminster system, dividing itself into an upper house and a lower house, but it is far removed from democratic lawmaking. The upper house, the Congress of Corporations, is composed of 250 appointed representatives from major state organizations and NGOs - Catholic churches and corporations, private-public partnerships, and regional branches of the Comunión Tradicionalista-Integrista, the sole legal political party in Spain. The lower house, the Congress of Provinces, is composed of the leaders of all 350 autonomies, the first-level administrative unit of the Kingdom. The composition of the Cortes Generales matches the espoused organicist ideal of the Integrists, seeking to reform the government into a corporate body unifying all the strata of society into a single organism. In effect, this leads to Spain being a highly authoritarian dictatorship, as the method how the Cortes Generales is composed leads to a feedback loop of strengthening the hold which the Integrists hold over the country - after all, it is the King, with the consent of the Cortes Generales, who appoints new autonomy leaders and designates which organizations are entitled to upper house seats, thus, since the Cortes is controlled by the Integrists, it is going to staff the seats with their own members.

Voting in the Cortes Generales is not equal - votes held by the members of both house are weighted by a byzantine system to "ensure that each decision is made by the most integral and influential group of organs as possible". While it is relatively simple in the Congress of Provinces - votes are weighed according to the population of each autonomy - in the upper house, it is a conflux of rules such as registered organization membership, organization seniority and turnover rate. Again, this method is used to ensure Integrist control over the legislature, as the most clear result of the system is that Integrist regional branches receive a disproportionate amount of the vote. Division of the Cortes Generales along party or "ideological" lines is prohibited and instead seeking compromise is promoted, which usually means "do what the Integrists are doing". The Cortes Generales also approves the Prime Minister appointed by the King, who is theoretically subordinate under the Cortes Generales as a mere executive head of government, but in practice holds a lot of power over lawmaking procedure. The King has significant reserve powers, although using them against the wishes of the Integrist government would certainly spark a harsh reaction if it ever were to happen.

Majority/State Religion : Chalcedonic Catholicism

Economic Ideologies : Christian corporatism - a political and economic doctrine endorsed by the Catholic Church and the Integrists. In theory, it is a system which sees the nation as a single body, or organism (which is where the name of the doctrine comes from, from the Latin word "corpus", body), which all members of society should contribute to. In practice, it is a system of severe economic interventionism and political guidance of the economy - businesses are managed through public-private partnerships and require continued cooperation with the government to remain operation, most of the land is publicly owned and rented to private owners, and Catholic corporations replace trade unions as the foundation of organized labor.
Major Production : Foodstuffs, textile, other consumer goods, rubber (Congo), copper (Congo), cash crops (Congo), tropical wood (Congo)
Economic Description : Until the 1880s, Spain was an impoverished agricultural state, its level of development distant from that of its northern and eastern neighbours. The change to this status quo came in two blows - the first was the gambit to acquire the basin of the river Kongo, vast and extremely rich in resources, and the second was the arrival of the Integrist movement into power and the implementation of corporatist economics. Through brutal exploitation of the Congolese population, in a manner harsher than any other colonial powers to date, Spain funded vast expansion and modernization of its own industrial base - railroads were built to connect all major cities of the country, new facilities and engineers were brought from France, Italy and America to modernize publicly owned industries, and the education system was modernized under Integrist ideological lines and geared towards the creation of a class of professionals. Thanks to this "Spanish Miracle", the Kingdom has caught up to its Western peers, even if its throne is a throne of African skulls.

Development: Modern
Development Description : Looting the Congo for resources to export and fuel industrialization and modernization, helps to amend the development difference between Spain and the rest of Europe.

Army Description : The Ejército de Tierra is the land force of the Kingdom of Spain, consisting of a peacetime army of 150 000 men and almost a million reservists which may be mobilized within the year. The Integrist government dedicated a portion of the Congolese revenues for the expansion of the army for three reasons: first, a show of force against neighbouring powers to secure the borders of the Kingdom, and potentially embroil themselves in an European war; second, upholding order in its newly acquired Congolese colony; third, maintain order in the Kingdom against the threat of the Christinos.
Army Weakness : The Spanish army is experienced in asymmetrical and colonial warfare rather than modern engagements. Its recent conflict is the numerous tribal wars in Africa where they, alongside the mercenaries and recruited Africans known as the Fuerza Pública, stained themselves with numerous brutalities and crimes, but didn't get to experience much actual warfare. So more or less the same situation as other European countries pre-WW1 - believe that any wars are going to be fast, glorious and victorious, and are tus completely unprepared for the total warfare of the 20th century.
Naval Description : The Armada Española is the naval force of the Kingdom of Spain, and consists of one battleship, the Pelayo, eight first-class armored cruisers, six second-class cruisers, nine third-class cruisers, and 38 torpedo craft, alongside auxiliary vessels such as transport ships. The Spanish armada also owns a single experimental electric-powered submarine named Peral - well, "owns" in the technical sense of the word, as it was discontinued over a decade ago thanks to the efforts of conservative officers in the Spanish navy, although there have been talks of rejuvenating the project and forming a submarine fleet.
Naval Weakness : Though the Pelayo is a modern vessel as far as battleships go, much of the Spanish navy is composed of 1870s and 1860s designs, and is thus nowhere near the capacity of Spain's competitors. This is because, after the fall of the Spanish Empire, the navy took a backseat in interest, and maintaining a large fleet was no longer necessary, while the Congo is too recent to spark a mass naval reorganization all on its own.

National Goals : Keep on exploiting the Congolese and participate in a major European war, 'cause it's not like we will have much else to do in this game.
National Issues :

• The Christinos - supporters of Princess and Regent Maria Christina and her husband Ferdinand VII, defeated in the Carlist War in the early 1800s, but remaining an influential force in Spanish society. The Christinos, unlike their Carlist peers, endorse a liberal constitutional monarchy, and they collect support in Spanish cities as well as the south of the country - the 1840s and 1850s saw several rebellions known as the Christino Wars, and while they have since been suppressed, Christino cells continue to operate to this day, searching for the moment to tear down the current reactionary order. The current Christino claimant is Infante Alfonso Francisco, the grandson of Maria Christina and Ferdinand VII, who currently resides in Brittany.
• Inequal Economic Development - the Spanish miracle did not reach all parts of the country equally. Though Madrid, the South, Catalonia and the Basque Country enjoy the fruits of modernization, this modernization is in severe contrast with the rural and agricultural north and centre. Though these regions remain loyal to the government, thanks to the deep influence of the Integrist-aligned Catholic Church, they are also the most vulnerable to abandon it should Spain go through a some sort of catastrophe.
• Catalan and Basque Separatism - still remains a danger to the integrity of Spain. Though Catalan and Basque separatists have been soothed thanks to the autonomist and decentralized policies of the Integrists, the greater economic development of these two regions compared to the rest of Spain has also made them feeling less dependent on the country as well as influenced by left-wing ideologies such as Marxist socialism. This is the region where illegal trade unions and syndicates such as the CNT-FAI hold the most power.

National Ambition/Aspirations : A pure Spanish nation-state with hegemonic dominion over Portugal and significant influence in the Concert of Europe, a leading force in the Catholic world, with an expansive African colonial empire.

History : The modern history of Spain starts in 1492, a year crowned by three events which would change the history of the Iberian kingdom forever - the end of the Reconquista against the Moors with the conquest of the Sultanate of Granada, the marriage of Ferdinand of Aragon and Isabella of Castile, uniting the crowns of Castile and Aragon under a personal union, and the discovery of the Americas by the Genovese explorer flying the flag of Castile, Christopher Columbus. The first would put an end to nigh-two centuries of warfare against the Moorish invasion and thus set the foundations for Spanish expansionism, the third would grant this expansionism an outlet in the form of the mysteries and civilizations of the New World which the Spanish conquistadors would promptly conquer, while the second would set the stage for Spain playing a role in the Concert of Europe from here on out.

The marriage of Aragon and Castile's Houses of Trastamara would not yield male heirs, and after the death of Ferdinand II, several regencies, female rulers and the threat of the recently formed Iberian union dissolving, the thrones of Aragon, Castile and thus Spain itself were inherited by the Emperor Western Empire. Around this time, in the middle of the 16th century, Spain had already become one of the wealthiest countries in Europe thanks to a gigantic influx of gold and silver from its colonies in the Americas, and thus it became fuel for the Western Empire's warpath in what is now known as the Forty Years' War. Spanish tercios would join alongside Roman legions in the brutal stalemate all across France, while the universally renown Spanish Armada harassed French ports and merchant trade routes, until eventually, in no small part thanks to attrition, cunning French naval tactics and superior morale, the great fleet of the Crown was destroyed in battle. Not long after, in 1601, after the fall of Milan, the greatest conflict in the history of Western Europe up to that point came to and end, and so did Spain's own conflict against France.

Though its personal union with the Western Empire did not last, the Forty Years War sparked a new zeitgeist for future Spanish rulers. All the wealth plundered, tariffed and mined from its colonial empire had to go somewhere, and the Spanish kings resolved to spend it towards expanding their hegemony in Europe. The religious wars which shackled Central Europe saw Spain take the role of one of the leaders of the Catholic faction, a bannerlord of the Counter-Reformation, a position which put it in direct conflict with the French Commonwealth next door. The two nations soon became known as the two greatest rivals for hegemony in Western Europe, and ultimately, though several of the conflicts between them ended inconclusively, the Calvinist republic ended up stripping Spain of its territory of Rousillon and the colony of Hispaniola. Despite this defeat, Spain's military, its core composed of elite mercenaries hired with American silver, was among the most fearsome in Europe and its armada seldom challenged by competitors. Though this period was known as the Spanish Golden Age or the Golden Century, in truth, Spain was a paper tiger. While its kings lived lavishly and their armies were unchallenged, the wealth from the New World did not trickle down to the populace of the country, most of whom lived in poverty, under heavy war taxation burdens and shackled by the obscurantism of the Catholic Church. France, Germany, England, Italy all passed it in population long ago, and though Spanish wealth was still keeping them competitive, even that was under threat due to massively rampant inflation of silver.

The end to the Spanish Golden Age came to a full close in 1696, with the start of the Anglo-Spanish War, or the War of the Atlantic. In the second half of the 17th century, the interest of Spain's monarchs shifted from France, its traditional rival, towards Great Britain, its newfound competitor in the New World, and the source of a competing global empire. Conflict over Britain's holdings in the Americas eventually sparked the Anglo-Spanish War, a ten year long conflict fought over the seas, the Atlantic Ocean and in North America. Ultimately, Spain was victorious, but this victory came at a great price - the loss of most of its treasure fleet, the drain of much of its treasury, and many of its former trade routes completely lost or overtaken by competitors during the war. Not only that, but the last of the Italian kings of Spain died without an heir in the immediate aftermath of the war, sendingthe country to a brief, but brutal civil war which ended with the ultimate rise of the House of Alba de Tormes, once again returning the crown to a native dynasty. Though gaining the Viceroyalty of America was a boon in many ways, both thanks to its strategic position in North America and its cash crop wealth, Spain never regained its former glory. The Alba monarchs implemented several reforms to try to alleviate the failing situation, but none managed to stick - the kingdom's coffers were drained, its lost glory no longer achievable, and many of its peasants packing their bags and migrating to the newly established Viceroyalty, sparking a population crisis among much of the countryside. While the rest of Europe was enjoying the fruits of the Enlightenment and the first gears of the Industrial Revolution, the state of culture and the economy in Spain was turning into a joke.

The second and final blow to Spain's fading greatness came at the very end of the 18th century. Swayed by the diplomatic efforts of his relatives in the Western Empire, Ferdinand VII of Spain acceded to join the coalition taking advantage of France's internal struggles and rallied the armies of the Kingdom to invade their historical rival. Spain's hopes were to play a secondary role and regain Rousillon, Hispaniola in a quick war without wasting many resources, potentially alleviating their internal difficulties - what they did not expect, however, was France's new leader, Henri Guerin, successfully managing to turn around the entire course of the war, organizing one of the first mass mobilized armies on the planet and pushing back the entire Coalition in a few short years. Spain was struck first, the French armies destroyed its entire military in less than a year and occupied the entire country. Ferdinand VII and his wife Maria Christina fled to the Viceroyalty of America, taking the last scraps of the treasury and the fleet with them, declaring a government in exile in Archangel, while an ephemeral Spanish Republic was founded in the mainland. The mistake which the French made, however, was to enforce the Reformed faith on the new Republic, which sparked mass resistance against the occupation. The Peninsular War was one of the first cases of guerrilla warfare in European history, and has been rightly called as one of the first wars of national liberation - it put a severe drain on French resources during the entire war and, even though France had never technically been evicted from Spain at the time of Guerin's death, it forced them to hastily retreat from the occupied peninsula.

What followed was a catastrophe. What France left in their wake was a power vacuum and, stemming from it, ten years of civil conflict. This conflict can be divided into two phases. The first phase was stomping out the remnants of the Republic, which had abandoned its Calvinist structure immediately after Guerin's death in a futile attempt to stay in power, but, with the return of Ferdinand VII and Maria Christina and the American soldiers which they brought with them, was evicted from the country. The second phase was a civil war for the throne. The King of Spain declared that, from henceforth, he shall rule the empire from his court in Archangel, which was such a slap in the face for a nation which had fought tooth and nail to evict the French in their name that it immediately rallied around a pretender. This pretender was Don Carlos, the younger brother of Ferdinand VII, who had been imprisoned by the French for much of the Guerin Wars and had now returned to claim the throne.

The two sides were dubbed Carlists and Christinos respectively - the Christinos were generally in favor of a more limited, restricted monarchy, heading towards constitutionalism, while the Carlists were staunch absolutists and traditionalists, emphasizing the role of the Catholic Church in the defense of Spain during the war. In the end, though the Christinos occupied much of the country as well as all the major cities in the first half of the war, the Carlists eventually overcame the struggle thanks to generous support from the other European powers - fears were circulated that a Christino victory and a Spain led from America will lead to a Spain which will no longer be interested in European affairs and thus would not come to help against France should the need arise. In 1815, Don Carlos assumed the throne of the Kingdom of Spain as Carlos V. A shadow kingdom, which lost its most prized viceroyalty to the Christinos and the rest of their American empire to numerous wars of independence which it could not stop.

Carlist Spain was impoverished, backwards from the rest of Europe and completely ravaged by war. This recovery took long, very long, while hundreds of thousands of people moved to America in search of a better life - as such, the Kingdom was never stable. In the 1830s and 1840s, it was shackled by several Christino rebellions, no longer advocating for a union of America and Spain and instead calling for a more liberal monarch to assume the throne - as such, it could only stand and watch while France dukes it out against the two Roman Empires and seizes its opportunity to take North Africa right under Spain's nose. This internal instability forced the following Carlist kings to accept some reforms, instituting a Cortes Generales to listen to the wishes of the people and conceding some of their powers. Despite this weakness, Spain still possessed an ambition greater than their capabilities, and the beginning of the Scramble for Africa saw it toss its hat in the ring, too. While France and Germany were preoccupied with war against each other, King Carlos VI declared his claim upon the basin of the Kongo River, starting the colony of Spanish Congo. One of the worst colonies you could ever wish to live in, brutal even by European colonist standards, which ransacked the population of the region and led to millions of deaths in their wake.

The reforms of the 1860s, however, did not leave everyone satisfied. For many, this was a betrayal of the spirit of the Carlist movement, and this movement soon organized around the Comunión Tradicionalista-Integrista, espousing a new, radical reactionary and nationalist ideology known as Integrism. Devout speakers and writers such as like Antonio Aparisi, Cándido Nocedal, Francisco Navarro Villoslada, Gabino Tejado and Ramón Vinader called for the integration of all the strata of society under a single organism, the undisputed role of the Catholic Church in society and the divine right on the King to lead the country, and this message appealed to many in Spain. Integrism soon became a national phenomenon, influencing many politicians, officers and writers and even reaching the court of the royal dynasty. Fearing that the growth of such a radical ideology may once again result in a civil war, the new King of Spain, Carlos VII, upon his ascension to the throne in 1884, opted to ally with the Integrists instead of conflicting with them. The leader of the Comunion, Ramón Nocedal Romea, was invited to become the new Prime Minister of Spain, and swiftly started reorganizing the society under Integrist lines.

Romea has remained in power, easily surpassing the King in influence, for the last 20 years, overseeing the period known as the Spanish Miracle. Fueled by resources robbed from the Congo and greater state intervention, the economy of Spain once again began to pick up and the nation started to swiftly catch up with its neighbours. The military of the Kingdom was rebuilt and modernized, having acquired expertise in numerous colonial brush wars and prepared for a new major conflict. The Integrist movement gained complete control over Spain, its power and influence challenged by no one and its popularity still in great heights thanks to the Miracle under their rule. For the first time in a century, if not two centuries, Spain could finally call itself slowly climbing towards great power status once more.

Integrist Spain does not have dreams of world domination, but perceives it as its natural right to hold hegemony over Southwestern Europe and expand its colonial empire even further. To achieve all of that, there is only one nation which needs to be beat, looming on the other side of the Pyrenees. The aging Prime Minister is not reckless or stupid, however. Spain cannot take on any great power all on its own, and especially not France. However, should an anti-French coalition rise again, you can be sure that Spain will be one of its first applicants, knowing that this time, there will be no Guerin to rescue them from the onslaught.
RP Sample: My last post in a nation RP is here.

#AltDiv

[Tracian Empire]

Well, I'm not the one reviewing apps, but I really like the Integrist concept! I've always loved playing a Carlist Spain, but Integrism always seemed a bit too weird for me to even think about trying. I haven't seen such a Spain in a roleplay before, so it could be really interesting xD

Most of the app looks alright so far, for me at least, what we should discuss though should maybe be history

The history of Central Europe is a bit altered, so you'd have to talk with Exil about what he's been doing with the Habsburgs, especially since the Hohenstaufens still seem to be around.
As for some other things, due to the WRE, I don't know if the Two Sicilies ever existed, so the whole part with the Italian Wars might have not existed either.

[The Felan Federation]

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Denmark (WIP)
Territory: Denmark, Iceland, Gotland, Aland, Bornholm, Zeeland; Ghana and Togo (colonies)
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 72 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

A quick question though. Did Christianity swallow all other pagan religions also in this time? Had a few ideas of perhaps doing a Nordic/Reformed German Paganism/Odinism state?

[Old Tyrannia]

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Denmark (WIP)
Territory: Denmark, Iceland, Gotland, Aland, Bornholm; Ghana and Togo (colonies)
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 72 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

A quick question though. Did Christianity swallow all other pagan religions also in this time? Had a few ideas of perhaps doing a Nordic/Reformed German Paganism/Odinism state?

You can certainly have a pagan state if you should wish.

[Finland SSR]

The history of Central Europe is a bit altered, so you'd have to talk with Exil about what he's been doing with the Habsburgs, especially since the Hohenstaufens still seem to be around.
As for some other things, due to the WRE, I don't know if the Two Sicilies ever existed, so the whole part with the Italian Wars might have not existed either.

Oh yeah, I'll definitely have to amend that list of titles, I just copied it from OTL. Yeah, and once Exil pops up, I'll have to ask him over the Habsburgs too.

Glad to hear you're interested! I simply can't get away from radical rogue states in these types of RPs, can I? And Integrism is certainly a fun ideology to explore, especially ever since KR popularized it in alternate history.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

The history of Central Europe is a bit altered, so you'd have to talk with Exil about what he's been doing with the Habsburgs, especially since the Hohenstaufens still seem to be around.
As for some other things, due to the WRE, I don't know if the Two Sicilies ever existed, so the whole part with the Italian Wars might have not existed either.

Oh yeah, I'll definitely have to amend that list of titles, I just copied it from OTL. Yeah, and once Exil pops up, I'll have to ask him over the Habsburgs too.

Glad to hear you're interested! I simply can't get away from radical rogue states in these types of RPs, can I? And Integrism is certainly a fun ideology to explore, especially ever since KR popularized it in alternate history.

Exil is always around as you might've noticed.

[Finland SSR]

Oh yeah, I'll definitely have to amend that list of titles, I just copied it from OTL. Yeah, and once Exil pops up, I'll have to ask him over the Habsburgs too.

Glad to hear you're interested! I simply can't get away from radical rogue states in these types of RPs, can I? And Integrism is certainly a fun ideology to explore, especially ever since KR popularized it in alternate history.

Exil is always around as you might've noticed.

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So, what's going on with the Habsburgs?

[The Felan Federation]

Reservation

Nation Name: Kingdom of Denmark (WIP)
Territory: Denmark, Iceland, Gotland, Aland, Bornholm; Ghana and Togo (colonies)
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 72 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

A quick question though. Did Christianity swallow all other pagan religions also in this time? Had a few ideas of perhaps doing a Nordic/Reformed German Paganism/Odinism state?

You can certainly have a pagan state if you should wish.

Okay. Considering the Romans still remained active and Christianity alive - how would that have changed things? Would the Romans have dared push into the viking lands of the north?

Or perhaps, after the Vikings received a rather harsh defeat - they instead started consolidating their own rule, in fear of a Roman reprisal - meaning uniting the Jarls or petty Kings, construct some massive wall near the Danish-Germanic border and started to reform their own faith into something more hierarchical? Like how Islam became from Judaism and Christianty? A more isolationist and defensive state perhaps?

(Taking some ques from CK2)

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Exil is always around as you might've noticed.

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So, what's going on with the Habsburgs?

Not much. They're ruling Austria.

You can certainly have a pagan state if you should wish.

Okay. Considering the Romans still remained active and Christianity alive - how would that have changed things? Would the Romans have dared push into the viking lands of the north?

Or perhaps, after the Vikings received a rather harsh defeat - they instead started consolidating their own rule, in fear of a Roman reprisal - meaning uniting the Jarls or petty Kings, construct some massive wall near the Danish-Germanic border and started to reform their own faith into something more hierarchical? Like how Islam became from Judaism and Christianty? A more isolationist and defensive state perhaps?

(Taking some ques from CK2)

The PoD for the Romans is atfter the fall of Rome.
Suffice to say they never got further than they did IRL.

[Finland SSR]

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So, what's going on with the Habsburgs?

Not much. They're ruling Austria.

Ah, so I should assume that the Spanish Habsburgs were still a thing, right?

[The Felan Federation]

!

So, what's going on with the Habsburgs?

Not much. They're ruling Austria.

Okay. Considering the Romans still remained active and Christianity alive - how would that have changed things? Would the Romans have dared push into the viking lands of the north?

Or perhaps, after the Vikings received a rather harsh defeat - they instead started consolidating their own rule, in fear of a Roman reprisal - meaning uniting the Jarls or petty Kings, construct some massive wall near the Danish-Germanic border and started to reform their own faith into something more hierarchical? Like how Islam became from Judaism and Christianty? A more isolationist and defensive state perhaps?

(Taking some ques from CK2)

The PoD for the Romans is atfter the fall of Rome.
Suffice to say they never got further than they did IRL.

Maybe. But the Eastern Romans are still a thing.

[Tracian Empire]

Not much. They're ruling Austria.


The PoD for the Romans is atfter the fall of Rome.
Suffice to say they never got further than they did IRL.

Maybe. But the Eastern Romans are still a thing.

A thing in the Middle East and the Balkans. If the Roman Empire at its height was unable to push into Germany, I don't think that the East Romans would have, with their borders in the Balkans. The West Romans might have tried to push into Germany, but even then, I highly doubt that they'd be able to conquer anything.

The enemies that you could use in the scenario that you seem to want would probably be crusaders of some sort.

[Jade Confederacy]

Oh yeah, I'll definitely have to amend that list of titles, I just copied it from OTL. Yeah, and once Exil pops up, I'll have to ask him over the Habsburgs too.

Glad to hear you're interested! I simply can't get away from radical rogue states in these types of RPs, can I? And Integrism is certainly a fun ideology to explore, especially ever since KR popularized it in alternate history.

As a heavily influence Spanish Ameria, our histories will be tied together. we should collaborate with one another as well as the Mexico player to hash out a definitive timeline. what i have going so far is the Spain won the Spanish war of succession and seized the English NA colonies. The Bourbon Spanish court then fled to NA to establish a government in exile when France invaded and stayed there even after the war. The last point would be the Carlist war between the Queen ruling in America against her uncle who is backed by the European Spanish leading to the Spanish Empire being partitioned into two.

[Finland SSR]

Oh yeah, I'll definitely have to amend that list of titles, I just copied it from OTL. Yeah, and once Exil pops up, I'll have to ask him over the Habsburgs too.

Glad to hear you're interested! I simply can't get away from radical rogue states in these types of RPs, can I? And Integrism is certainly a fun ideology to explore, especially ever since KR popularized it in alternate history.

As a heavily influence Spanish Ameria, our histories will be tied together. we should collaborate with one another as well as the Mexico player to hash out a definitive timeline. what i have going so far is the Spain won the Spanish war of succession and seized the English NA colonies. The Bourbon Spanish court then fled to NA to establish a government in exile when France invaded and stayed there even after the war. The last point would be the Carlist war between the Queen ruling in America against her uncle who is backed by the European Spanish leading to the Spanish Empire being partitioned into two.

Yeah, I was actually reading the history on your app while making mine, interesting stuff. I was planning the Carlist War in your app to be the war which puts Don Carlos on the throne in Spain and thus starts the Carlist period.

[Reverend Norv]

The one issue there will be that France will have been a Protestant republic since the 1590s, so the Bourbons and the War of Spanish Succession won’t have been around as in our timeline. You could always just rename the family and have the Carlist dynamic be the same though.

[Jade Confederacy]

The one issue there will be that France will have been a Protestant republic since the 1590s, so the Bourbons and the War of Spanish Succession won’t have been around as in our timeline. You could always just rename the family and have the Carlist dynamic be the same though.

Yea i'll make adjustments in my app when the Spanish and French apps are done.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'm in the process of writing a history, but I did want to know more about the German and Polish histories, as well as the Western Roman history in Illyrica. Any word on those?

[Finland SSR]

The one issue there will be that France will have been a Protestant republic since the 1590s, so the Bourbons and the War of Spanish Succession won’t have been around as in our timeline. You could always just rename the family and have the Carlist dynamic be the same though.

I assume the French Revolution and Napoleon never happened either then? Darn, that's gonna need some serious changes to my initial plan then.

[Reverend Norv]

The one issue there will be that France will have been a Protestant republic since the 1590s, so the Bourbons and the War of Spanish Succession won’t have been around as in our timeline. You could always just rename the family and have the Carlist dynamic be the same though.

I assume the French Revolution and Napoleon never happened either then? Darn, that's gonna need some serious changes to my initial plan then.

France is a Reformed republic surrounded by Catholic monarchies, so it still spends a lot of its history at war with half of Europe. So if all your history requires is an aggressive France messing with Spain around 1800-1820, that’s still quite possible.

[Tracian Empire]

I'm in the process of writing a history, but I did want to know more about the German and Polish histories, as well as the Western Roman history in Illyrica. Any word on those?

The WRE player doesn't have a lot of internet access right now, but her app will most likely be very similar to the one in the previous iteration of the roleplay, so you could read that if you'd like

[Finland SSR]

I assume the French Revolution and Napoleon never happened either then? Darn, that's gonna need some serious changes to my initial plan then.

France is a Reformed republic surrounded by Catholic monarchies, so it still spends a lot of its history at war with half of Europe. So if all your history requires is an aggressive France messing with Spain around 1800-1820, that’s still quite possible.

Oh yes, that would be fine, then.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Not much. They're ruling Austria.

Ah, so I should assume that the Spanish Habsburgs were still a thing, right?

Prolly not.
You can try replacing them with Staufers though.

I'm in the process of writing a history, but I did want to know more about the German and Polish histories, as well as the Western Roman history in Illyrica. Any word on those?

You were apping as?
Also, any particular time period or point?

I assume the French Revolution and Napoleon never happened either then? Darn, that's gonna need some serious changes to my initial plan then.

France is a Reformed republic surrounded by Catholic monarchies, so it still spends a lot of its history at war with half of Europe. So if all your history requires is an aggressive France messing with Spain around 1800-1820, that’s still quite possible.

Enjoy the Religious Map of Zentraleuropa