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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:11 pm

Arkhastok wrote:I see the problem now. Alright, Southpaws cannot merge into any parties but changing coalitions is fine. A Southpaw-WLIR coalition is okay but not forming one singular party.

They can if they want to IC, I don’t think you need to set rules that would reduce the depth of the RP
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:11 pm

New Cobastheia wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Fine then. We'll call a by-election. Also, by WLIR proceedings, the membership will be voting on it anyway, and so we'll have a small mandate of some sort. Also, we'll impeach you back for perjury and corruption.

How are you going to call a by-election for a party-list region-wide election, especially how are you going to call for snap elections when your party isn't even in government?

It's only going to be called for our seat. It's precedent under parliamentary systems to do that.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:12 pm

Arkhastok wrote:I see the problem now. Alright, Southpaws cannot merge into any parties but changing coalitions is fine. A Southpaw-WLIR coalition is okay but not forming one singular party.

Can we have party associations like those in the EU Parliament? They're a middle ground between parties and coalitions, basically.
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:13 pm

I just need to ask the Southpaws why? Like really you had the chance to be in government and help a leftist government and you just split the coalition and you still have few seats then both me-greens and the Republican-CUC coalition. You have literally ruined your own party chances.
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Postby Arkhastok » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:15 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Arkhastok wrote:I see the problem now. Alright, Southpaws cannot merge into any parties but changing coalitions is fine. A Southpaw-WLIR coalition is okay but not forming one singular party.

Can we have party associations like those in the EU Parliament? They're a middle ground between parties and coalitions, basically.


Hmm, you guys can solve it IC. As Aureumterra suggested, making laws on party merging and stuff will reduce the depth of the RP. So yes, we can have them but you guys will be doing most of the party business as IC stuff

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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:15 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:I just need to ask the Southpaws why? Like really you had the chance to be in government and help a leftist government and you just split the coalition and you still have few seats then both me-greens and the Republican-CUC coalition. You have literally ruined your own party chances.

Not to mention associating with the radical left will cause many of your voters to defect to D-G
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:16 pm

Also what I am going to do with my IC post considering that at the point the southpaws were in coalition with us and greens
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:16 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:I just need to ask the Southpaws why? Like really you had the chance to be in government and help a leftist government and you just split the coalition and you still have few seats then both me-greens and the Republican-CUC coalition. You have literally ruined your own party chances.

Because we made an agreement and to be frank, the Southpaws would never get their way and basically be bullied. They're anti-capitalist, we're anti-capitalists, and you're just a bunch of social democrats who sit on the fence so long I hope you get impaled on it!

The last part was a joke, but I think the message got through.
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Postby Arkhastok » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:17 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:Also what I am going to do with my IC post considering that at the point the southpaws were in coalition with us and greens

You can just edit it, nothing much will change other than that because you're still the government

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Postby New Cobastheia » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:17 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
New Cobastheia wrote:How are you going to call a by-election for a party-list region-wide election, especially how are you going to call for snap elections when your party isn't even in government?

It's only going to be called for our seat. It's precedent under parliamentary systems to do that.

Yes, there's precedent in governments were people win the seats.
IDK if there's precedent in governments were parties win seats though, or if that would even be possible in systems that use Party Lists.

So, Arkhastok, were seats elected under a Party-List or something else in the election?

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Postby Azlaake » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:17 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:Also what I am going to do with my IC post considering that at the point the southpaws were in coalition with us and greens

I never said I left, I just merged parties
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:17 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:Also what I am going to do with my IC post considering that at the point the southpaws were in coalition with us and greens

Would The Party of the United Left be allowed to join your coalition? It's a lot more moderate than the WLIR and the Southpaws have the majority in it so they can control us.
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:19 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:Also what I am going to do with my IC post considering that at the point the southpaws were in coalition with us and greens

Would The Party of the United Left be allowed to join your coalition? It's a lot more moderate than the WLIR and the Southpaws have the majority in it so they can control us.


Not a single WLIR member will enter government now.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:20 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Would The Party of the United Left be allowed to join your coalition? It's a lot more moderate than the WLIR and the Southpaws have the majority in it so they can control us.


Not a single WLIR member will enter government now.

Fine. We won't get positions now, but we'll still be recognised as part of the government. I don't see what your problem is with us. It's not like we're associating with paramilitary groups trying to overthrow the government. We're not rebels or anything.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby Arkhastok » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:20 pm

New Cobastheia wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:It's only going to be called for our seat. It's precedent under parliamentary systems to do that.

Yes, there's precedent in governments were people win the seats.
IDK if there's precedent in governments were parties win seats though, or if that would even be possible in systems that use Party Lists.

So, Arkhastok, were seats elected under a Party-List or something else in the election?

Yes, essentially a party-list system if I understand it correctly

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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:20 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Would The Party of the United Left be allowed to join your coalition? It's a lot more moderate than the WLIR and the Southpaws have the majority in it so they can control us.


Not a single WLIR member will enter government now.

Even if they did, hell would break loose as the GOP would do everything in their power to stop it
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:21 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Not a single WLIR member will enter government now.

Fine. We won't get positions now, but we'll still be recognised as part of the government. I don't see what your problem is with us. It's not like we're associating with paramilitary groups trying to overthrow the government. We're not rebels or anything.


No I will call off the Coalition and it will just be me and the greens if need be.
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Postby Aureumterra » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:24 pm

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:
Not a single WLIR member will enter government now.

Fine. We won't get positions now, but we'll still be recognised as part of the government. I don't see what your problem is with us. It's not like we're associating with paramilitary groups trying to overthrow the government. We're not rebels or anything.

You can revert your post, OP allowed party merging now
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:25 pm

Aureumterra wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Fine. We won't get positions now, but we'll still be recognised as part of the government. I don't see what your problem is with us. It's not like we're associating with paramilitary groups trying to overthrow the government. We're not rebels or anything.

You can revert your post, OP allowed party merging now

Nah, Southpaws agreed to party association instead.
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“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby Greater Liverpool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:25 pm

Also I would think that there would be a split in the southpaw party considering that this would have to be an executive decision and I am guessing that there are many of those that would want to be in government.
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Postby Azlaake » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:27 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:Also I would think that there would be a split in the southpaw party considering that this would have to be an executive decision and I am guessing that there are many of those that would want to be in government.

We didn't merge, we are in an association, so am I back in the coalition????
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:28 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:
The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Fine. We won't get positions now, but we'll still be recognised as part of the government. I don't see what your problem is with us. It's not like we're associating with paramilitary groups trying to overthrow the government. We're not rebels or anything.


No I will call off the Coalition and it will just be me and the greens if need be.

Describe your problem with us. It's not like we're burning the government building down.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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Postby Greater Liverpool » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:29 pm

Azlaake wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:Also I would think that there would be a split in the southpaw party considering that this would have to be an executive decision and I am guessing that there are many of those that would want to be in government.

We didn't merge, we are in an association, so am I back in the coalition????


As long as the WLIR is not near the government at all.
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Postby The World Capitalist Confederation » Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:29 pm

Arkhastok wrote:
New Cobastheia wrote:Yes, there's precedent in governments were people win the seats.
IDK if there's precedent in governments were parties win seats though, or if that would even be possible in systems that use Party Lists.

So, Arkhastok, were seats elected under a Party-List or something else in the election?

Yes, essentially a party-list system if I understand it correctly

Excuse me, OP, how do I conduct opposition research and find dirt on my enemies? Because oh boy I want to get to the darker side of politics.
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“We could manage to survive without the money changers and stockbrokers, but we would rather find it difficult to survive without miners, steel workers and those who cultivate the land.” - Nye Bevan, Minister of Health under Clement Attlee

“The mutual-aid tendency in man has so remote an origin, and is so deeply interwoven with all the past evolution of the human race, that is has been maintained by mankind up to the present time, notwithstanding all vicissitudes of history.” - Peter Krotopkin, evolutionary biologist and political writer.

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