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Azlaake wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:https://www.politicalcompass.org/crowdchart2?spots=-3%7C-8%7CThe%20Greens,7%7C3%7CRepublicans,-8%7C-5.5%7CThe%20Southpaws,-3.13%7C-2.97%7CDeltaist%20Party

Also here is the update political compass

I'm pretty Far-Left, why won't you invite WILR????

New Cobastheia wrote:

Azlaake wrote:I'm pretty Far-Left, why won't you invite WILR????

Well for one we only need our three parties to form a majority in Parliament.

And becuase there's a big difference between a Democratic Socialist party and a party that has repeatedly advocated for a "revolution" and the death of capitalism.

New Cobastheia wrote:

Azlaake wrote:I'm pretty Far-Left, why won't you invite WILR????

Well for one we only need our three parties to form a majority in Parliament.

And becuase there's a big difference between a Democratic Socialist party and a party that has repeatedly advocated for a "revolution" and the death of capitalism.

Greater Liverpool wrote:

New Cobastheia wrote:Well for one we only need our three parties to form a majority in Parliament.

And becuase there's a big difference between a Democratic Socialist party and a party that has repeatedly advocated for a "revolution" and the death of capitalism.

^^^^^^^^^
This right here is why.

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:
^^^^^^^^^
This right here is why.

Are you and New Cobasthesia American? I just want to clarify before I go on an angry rant about Luxemburg, the history of social democracy, Socialist Yugoslavia and about how politically illiterate you are.

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

New Cobastheia wrote:Well for one we only need our three parties to form a majority in Parliament.

And becuase there's a big difference between a Democratic Socialist party and a party that has repeatedly advocated for a "revolution" and the death of capitalism.

But isn't democratic socialism inherently anti-capitalist? If you've read any anarcho-syndicalist doctrine, apart from some rowdy protests, we stick to the democratic system and only stage the revolution once we have a mandate from the people, in this case win the election. Is that not satisfactory for you?

I'll give you some examples of democratic socialist regimes:
-Salvador Allende's Chile
-Tito's Yugoslavia

Well, actually, those are the only two examples. But point is, democratic socialism is opposition to capitalism. The only difference between us and the Southpaws is in rhetoric and in terms of the political running of the state, along with the method of central planning. It's like the difference between a neoliberal and a neoconservative. Economically the same apart from a few small things.

Greater Liverpool wrote:also we know of Democratic regime that are Socialist but when you call for violence in your so called "final speech" then you cross a line politically for me.

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:also we know of Democratic regime that are Socialist but when you call for violence in your so called "final speech" then you cross a line politically for me.

Ahh yes, because when the government or major corporations do it, it’s fine! I know this is a shocker to all you utopian types, but sometimes you need to use violence to reduce the amount of violence. I asked you a question and I want you to answer it: What would you do under a fascist regime? Just sit there or fight?

Azlaake wrote:

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:But isn't democratic socialism inherently anti-capitalist? If you've read any anarcho-syndicalist doctrine, apart from some rowdy protests, we stick to the democratic system and only stage the revolution once we have a mandate from the people, in this case win the election. Is that not satisfactory for you?

I'll give you some examples of democratic socialist regimes:
-Salvador Allende's Chile
-Tito's Yugoslavia

Well, actually, those are the only two examples. But point is, democratic socialism is opposition to capitalism. The only difference between us and the Southpaws is in rhetoric and in terms of the political running of the state, along with the method of central planning. It's like the difference between a neoliberal and a neoconservative. Economically the same apart from a few small things.

If you're Democratic Socialist, you don't have to be anti-capitalist, you can, but you don't have to. I mean, I don't wanna stop someone from following their dream and opening their Taco shop, Let's Taco About It!!!
But I think that most industries should be nationalized and a ton of regulations to protect the people and the environment!!!

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:also we know of Democratic regime that are Socialist but when you call for violence in your so called "final speech" then you cross a line politically for me.

Ahh yes, because when the government or major corporations do it, it’s fine! I know this is a shocker to all you utopian types, but sometimes you need to use violence to reduce the amount of violence. I asked you a question and I want you to answer it: What would you do under a fascist regime? Just sit there or fight?

Greater Liverpool wrote:Also question to you would you fight against a regime that believes in murdering millions of people in order to achieve your economic view?

Granluras wrote:Hm. 10 days old, 26 pages already, and an interesting concept. I might join this. However, before I start to make a final decision can someone catch me up on what's happened so far? As in any OOC plans, IC events so far, where we are in the roleplay, yada yada, all that stuff.

Aureumterra wrote:

Granluras wrote:Hm. 10 days old, 26 pages already, and an interesting concept. I might join this. However, before I start to make a final decision can someone catch me up on what's happened so far? As in any OOC plans, IC events so far, where we are in the roleplay, yada yada, all that stuff.

The first election happened, a coalition government is ruling (Coalition of left leaning centrist party, environmentalist party, and hard left party), leader of the opposition is my character, and I assume parliament will call regional elections pretty soon

Granluras wrote:Hm. 10 days old, 26 pages already, and an interesting concept. I might join this. However, before I start to make a final decision can someone catch me up on what's happened so far? As in any OOC plans, IC events so far, where we are in the roleplay, yada yada, all that stuff.

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

Granluras wrote:Hm. 10 days old, 26 pages already, and an interesting concept. I might join this. However, before I start to make a final decision can someone catch me up on what's happened so far? As in any OOC plans, IC events so far, where we are in the roleplay, yada yada, all that stuff.

The DemSocs and AnSynds (Me and the Southpaws) have merged to form a party, about to be announced, coalition talks have broken down, and there's been an election. That's literally it so far. Also, looking at your views, I suggest forming a new party. I'd say join the Republicans, but honestly, the Republicans here are led by some Icelandic man who doesn't understand the difference between tax and debt interest, so you know...

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:

Granluras wrote:Hm. 10 days old, 26 pages already, and an interesting concept. I might join this. However, before I start to make a final decision can someone catch me up on what's happened so far? As in any OOC plans, IC events so far, where we are in the roleplay, yada yada, all that stuff.

The DemSocs and AnSynds (Me and the Southpaws) have merged to form a party, about to be announced, coalition talks have broken down, and there's been an election. That's literally it so far. Also, looking at your views, I suggest forming a new party. I'd say join the Republicans, but honestly, the Republicans here are led by some Icelandic man who doesn't understand the difference between tax and debt interest, so you know...

Greater Liverpool wrote:

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:The DemSocs and AnSynds (Me and the Southpaws) have merged to form a party, about to be announced, coalition talks have broken down, and there's been an election. That's literally it so far. Also, looking at your views, I suggest forming a new party. I'd say join the Republicans, but honestly, the Republicans here are led by some Icelandic man who doesn't understand the difference between tax and debt interest, so you know...

What do you mean the Southpaws are forming a party with you. If you look at the IC they have joined my Coalition.

Azlaake wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:
What do you mean the Southpaws are forming a party with you. If you look at the IC they have joined my Coalition.

Yes, but we merged parties

Greater Liverpool wrote:

The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:The DemSocs and AnSynds (Me and the Southpaws) have merged to form a party, about to be announced, coalition talks have broken down, and there's been an election. That's literally it so far. Also, looking at your views, I suggest forming a new party. I'd say join the Republicans, but honestly, the Republicans here are led by some Icelandic man who doesn't understand the difference between tax and debt interest, so you know...

What do you mean the Southpaws are forming a party with you. If you look at the IC they have joined my Coalition.

Azlaake wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:
What do you mean the Southpaws are forming a party with you. If you look at the IC they have joined my Coalition.

Yes, but we merged parties

Greater Liverpool wrote:

Azlaake wrote:Yes, but we merged parties

WHAT?

Aureumterra wrote:

Greater Liverpool wrote:
WHAT?

Even if you boot the Southpaws out, You’ll have a minority government anyways