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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:46 pm

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The killing of a noblewoman, avenged by the slaying of a commoner, leads to unrest. I'm not seeing the difficulty in understanding that causal link.


I'm not seeing why that would happen I'm protesting the event if the link is missing. What led to this happening I don't appreciate the vagueness.

I mean all the elves respect each other and the nobles have done a good job of ruling.


...I'm pretty sure you literally just illustrated, in your post, a richer Elf specifically not respecting a poorer Elf. And given the Dominion isn't a utopia, which I feel quite confident asserting such is the case, there are going to be inexorably variable levels of competency and fairmindedness from her rulers.

A revenge slaying has occurred, a commoner being killed in cold blood after the accidental death of a noblewoman. Some commoners are understandably less than amused by this occurrence. Thus the unrest.
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Postby Novas Arcanum » Thu Apr 18, 2019 2:58 pm

Well if you read the lore you'd know in elven government anyone including commoners is capable of becoming an elite,and the metoeticratic means governance.

I'm really tired of people making a narrative of high class vs low class with my civilizations.

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Postby Ralnis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:01 pm

Think I might as well kill the Sandwalkers or seek to curtail them so that they listen to me.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:01 pm

Novas Arcanum wrote:Well if you read the lore you'd know in elven government anyone including commoners is capable of becoming an elite,and the metoeticratic means governance.

I'm really tired of people making a narrative of high class vs low class with my civilizations.


Yes yes, I know the lore.

If you really want to argue that your society has no social distinctions because of that lore, I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. Especially given you have specifically enumerated those distinctions yourself.
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Postby Novas Arcanum » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:13 pm

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Novas Arcanum wrote:Well if you read the lore you'd know in elven government anyone including commoners is capable of becoming an elite,and the metoeticratic means governance.

I'm really tired of people making a narrative of high class vs low class with my civilizations.


Yes yes, I know the lore.

If you really want to argue that your society has no social distinctions because of that lore, I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. Especially given you have specifically enumerated those distinctions yourself.


Right I'm not arguing that,I'm stating how it doesnt feel natural and I dont appreciate having the narrative of my civilization taken away from me like that.Objectively speaking the Arameri Dominion as been prosperous and successful thus far so I see no reason why a commoner would murder a noble.

If that happens by a random fluke then he would be put through the system and persecuted as elven culture emphasizes civility and justice (social contract) he would be imprisoned for that would be worse pubishment then death.

But you said he was killed in revenge.Again I'm not sure why the commoners would be angry by this as Queen Fey has been a good ruler and is consider Arkanes representative on earth and would persecute the person who killed the commoner and calm any hot passions wrought by this event in my opinion.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:32 pm

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Novas Arcanum wrote:Well if you read the lore you'd know in elven government anyone including commoners is capable of becoming an elite,and the metoeticratic means governance.

I'm really tired of people making a narrative of high class vs low class with my civilizations.


Yes yes, I know the lore.

If you really want to argue that your society has no social distinctions because of that lore, I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. Especially given you have specifically enumerated those distinctions yourself.

Tbf G, I would put more wording down, telling the government the wrong that was done. Because me reading it without really knowing so much history, all I can see is, "people are angry and are bring chaos". It would be nice to get a full idea why these people are rebelling referring to the incident that was wronged.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:33 pm

Novas Arcanum wrote:
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Yes yes, I know the lore.

If you really want to argue that your society has no social distinctions because of that lore, I'm just going to have to respectfully disagree. Especially given you have specifically enumerated those distinctions yourself.


Right I'm not arguing that,I'm stating how it doesnt feel natural and I dont appreciate having the narrative of my civilization taken away from me like that.Objectively speaking the Arameri Dominion as been prosperous and successful thus far so I see no reason why a commoner would murder a noble.

If that happens by a random fluke then he would be put through the system and persecuted as elven culture emphasizes civility and justice (social contract) he would be imprisoned for that would be worse pubishment then death.

But you said he was killed in revenge.Again I'm not sure why the commoners would be angry by this as Queen Fey has been a good ruler and is consider Arkanes representative on earth and would persecute the person who killed the commoner and calm any hot passions wrought by this event in my opinion.


Presumably the commoner didn't intend to kill her, but these things do happen in magical duels. Though you can work around that angle, if you want. I'm guessing your commoners aren't enthusiastic about one of their brothers being killed over an accident, and (at present) no consequences coming to the murderers. But, of course, you risk offending those with power and money if their own are punished for taking out their anger on a man of low social status and reputation. Essentially, just a bit of a stewpot of unhappy feelings - hence the loss of public order.

Clarification: Anyway, if you don't love that explanation - the Random Event generator called for a minor bad event for the Dominion. I tried to interpret that in light of your RPing. I'm sorry if you don't like how I explained it, but that's kinda just how it worked out.
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Postby Novas Arcanum » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:58 pm

Well I would've liked a more detailed explanation is all but it's cool it's not how I'd imagine the elves to act given the circumstances but hey at least I have something to write about

EDIT: Can you retcon it to say it the noble died in a magical duel so it can make sense?
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Postby Ralnis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:11 pm

Novas, how would you feel about Dark Elves being a thing?
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Postby Novas Arcanum » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:35 pm

Ralnis wrote:Novas, how would you feel about Dark Elves being a thing?


That would be cool.

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Postby Ralnis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:42 pm

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Ralnis wrote:Novas, how would you feel about Dark Elves being a thing?


That would be cool.

Was thinking either between that, vampires or liches since I have the Methods.
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Postby Novas Arcanum » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:51 pm

Well I'd be happy to have some kin out there, and I could see the arameri connecting with the dark elves.But liches and vampires would be cool as well.

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Postby Nuxipal » Thu Apr 18, 2019 7:52 pm

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It's an option, but mostly looking for ways to kill immortal liche-kings that are now confirmed to have survived to the north.


Who confirmed what survived?


Well, as far as High Queen Khalida knows, the Liche-King Neferkara is alive somewhere in the north. The remnants of the chosen have come home and have reported what their predecessors saw of the ritual to bring him back. Then there was the confirmation that his body was not among the fallen in the land. Sets off a minor quest for Khalida to try and send something north to retrieve the Sarcophagus of Neferkara.
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Postby Ralnis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:04 pm

Novas Arcanum wrote:Well I'd be happy to have some kin out there, and I could see the arameri connecting with the dark elves.But liches and vampires would be cool as well.

Sure, I got see some sort of quest to connect the two nations. First though, have to sick the Lord of Earth on the Sandwalkers and expand my nation on their bones. Then find a way to throw off the Empire's shackles.
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Postby The GAmeTopians » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:10 pm

Ralnis wrote:
Novas Arcanum wrote:Well I'd be happy to have some kin out there, and I could see the arameri connecting with the dark elves.But liches and vampires would be cool as well.

Sure, I got see some sort of quest to connect the two nations. First though, have to sick the Lord of Earth on the Sandwalkers and expand my nation on their bones. Then find a way to throw off the Empire's shackles.

I’m open to a co-write at some point if you’d like. A meeting of old allies’ descendants to reforge a bond broken, if you will.
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Postby Ralnis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 8:27 pm

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Ralnis wrote:Sure, I got see some sort of quest to connect the two nations. First though, have to sick the Lord of Earth on the Sandwalkers and expand my nation on their bones. Then find a way to throw off the Empire's shackles.

I’m open to a co-write at some point if you’d like. A meeting of old allies’ descendants to reforge a bond broken, if you will.

I'm open for it. The Orleans have been trying to look for allies who would help push out the Empire from the West for good but they've been afraid of going to Zhou because of their betrayal a century ago.
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Postby Olthenia » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:21 pm

Questions~

Is there a specific District or Quarter required for the extraction of Amber, Amethysts or Opals? Are they gathered from the Mine like Copper or Silver, or drawn from the Quarry, like Granite or Shimmerstone?

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Postby Ralnis » Thu Apr 18, 2019 11:32 pm

Olthenia wrote:Questions~

Is there a specific District or Quarter required for the extraction of Amber, Amethysts or Opals? Are they gathered from the Mine like Copper or Silver, or drawn from the Quarry, like Granite or Shimmerstone?

No, they will still need to be extracted by mines.
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Postby Olthenia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:30 am

Ralnis wrote:
Olthenia wrote:Questions~

Is there a specific District or Quarter required for the extraction of Amber, Amethysts or Opals? Are they gathered from the Mine like Copper or Silver, or drawn from the Quarry, like Granite or Shimmerstone?

No, they will still need to be extracted by mines.


Alright. The more you know.

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Postby Olthenia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:42 am

Can Market Quarters be built solely in Industrial Districts? It seems like such a beastly waste of profits.
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Postby The GAmeTopians » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:31 am

Olthenia wrote:Can Market Quarters be built solely in Industrial Districts? It seems like such a beastly waste of profits.

Correct. That was why I was complaining.
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Postby Olthenia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 4:35 am

The GAmeTopians wrote:
Olthenia wrote:Can Market Quarters be built solely in Industrial Districts? It seems like such a beastly waste of profits.

Correct. That was why I was complaining.


Oh, well.

To the merchant, profits. To the OP, complaints.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:03 am

Olthenia wrote:Questions~

Is there a specific District or Quarter required for the extraction of Amber, Amethysts or Opals? Are they gathered from the Mine like Copper or Silver, or drawn from the Quarry, like Granite or Shimmerstone?


Amethysts and Opals are from mining. Amber really shouldn’t be. Hmm. I’ll give it a thonk.
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Postby Olthenia » Fri Apr 19, 2019 6:20 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Olthenia wrote:Questions~

Is there a specific District or Quarter required for the extraction of Amber, Amethysts or Opals? Are they gathered from the Mine like Copper or Silver, or drawn from the Quarry, like Granite or Shimmerstone?


Amethysts and Opals are from mining. Amber really shouldn’t be. Hmm. I’ll give it a thonk.


Much obliged.

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Postby Ralnis » Fri Apr 19, 2019 12:33 pm

So is the horde obligated to smash the enemy of their vassals or are they going to want something from it? Also could it be possible to ask the Emperor to help start a Silk Road like trade by selling the Empire stuff?
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