ASOMAF (Reboot/Worldbuilding/Discussion)

[Castelia]

We could need one US successor state that is legitimately similar to the US and likely to have "American" as it's demonym, plus we need to figure out when the US split up prior to the 20th century, if the split happened in the 18th century or the 19th century.

I support having the US split up sometime after the American Civil War. My suggestion is that you can rewrite the war to have been more devastating that it was, maybe add some foreign nation support that never happened in real life. This led to the Civil War being prolonged significantly, and although the Union won and reunited the country, it soon collapsed anyway due to economic devastation and all that.

[Dragos Bee]

I'd want to play either:

- Philippines.
- Democratic Russia.
- Hashemite Kingdom of Arabia, Iraq, and the Levant.

Philippines will be available, but about the other two:

• USSR still exists here like IRL, so Russia can't be democratic.
• Iraq, Syria and Kuwait are likely to be dominated by Ba'athists. Jordan is a Hashemite monarchy, btw.

All right, that works.

[Arvenia]

We could need one US successor state that is legitimately similar to the US and likely to have "American" as it's demonym, plus we need to figure out when the US split up prior to the 20th century, if the split happened in the 18th century or the 19th century.

I support having the US split up sometime after the American Civil War. My suggestion is that you can rewrite the war to have been more devastating that it was, maybe add some foreign nation support that never happened in real life. This led to the Civil War being prolonged significantly, and although the Union won and reunited the country, it soon collapsed anyway due to economic devastation and all that.

Yeah, but Texas and California would likely to be independent from the US prior to the Civil War, so yeah. I will work on that.

[Arvenia]

US successor states we know so far:

• Republic of California (California, Nevada, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Hawaii, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Midway Atoll, Wake Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll, Howland Island, Baker Island, Jarvis Island, Southern Oregon (both red and pink on the map), Mohave County (Arizona), La Paz County (Arizona) and Yuma County (Arizona))
• Republic of Texas (Texas, Neutral Ground, Oklahoma and New Mexico)
• Kingdom of Deseret (Utah, Arizona, Northeastern Nevada, Western Colorado, Southwestern Wyoming and Southern Idaho)
• Cooperative Commonwealth of Cascadia (Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Western Montana)
• New England (Massachussetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Vermont and New York)
• Puerto Rico (including US Virgin Islands)
• Mohiana (Ohio, Indiana and Lower Peninsula of Michigan)
• Pennsylvania (including New Jersey)

[The Felan Federation]

Netherlands - yeah, good luck with that.

Bloc - I think the usual kinds that existed in our WW2. The Axis was initially as a Anti-Soviet Bloc anyway. While also having the Entente perhaps? The old allies from WW1 - both to act as a bulwark against Communism but also Axis too - to maintain, the British love of Balance of Power. While also having the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere.

Great Depression - well, I would say that the biggest thing being, that without FDR and without World War Two - the USA would have been in shitville as expected.

POD - well, one part would be the factor of FDR being killed. Although perhaps also Germany' war-industry helping to supply the Nordics thus cutting off any chance for US domestic industry to help pull it out of the mud.

WW1 - I don't think, much would be need to change here.

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I have wanted to play Republic of California, (bit bigger) - perhaps whom would later join the Japanese Co-Prosperity Sphere?

About California, it might not join the JCPS, because there was the Pacific War, which led California to use nuclear warfare once and then gain a sphere of influence in the Pacific. Japan and California would still despise each others, even after the war. I will still figure out other countries here, I am currently stuck with the Netherlands (if it would either be independent or become Benelux alongside Belgium and Luxembourg) and Scandinavia.

Well. You said that things are still left open and such.

Plus, just because the war had ended doesn't mean they can't try for peace. (Or utilize covert methods to make a former enemy into an ally)

[The Felan Federation]

US successor states we know so far:

• Republic of California (California, Nevada, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Hawaii, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Midway Atoll, Wake Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll, Howland Island, Baker Island, Jarvis Island, Southern Oregon (both red and pink on the map), Mohave County (Arizona), La Paz County (Arizona) and Yuma County (Arizona))
• Republic of Texas (Texas, Neutral Ground, Oklahoma and New Mexico)
• Kingdom of Deseret (Utah, Arizona, Northeastern Nevada, Western Colorado, Southwestern Wyoming and Southern Idaho)
• Cooperative Commonwealth of Cascadia (Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Western Montana)
• New England (Massachussetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Vermont and New York)
• Puerto Rico (including US Virgin Islands)
• Mohiana (Ohio, Indiana and Lower Peninsula of Michigan)
• Pennsylvania (including New Jersey)

Isn't this just rehashing old states from the previous RP?

[Arvenia]

US successor states we know so far:

• Republic of California (California, Nevada, Baja California, Baja California Sur, Hawaii, Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, Midway Atoll, Wake Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Palmyra Atoll, Howland Island, Baker Island, Jarvis Island, Southern Oregon (both red and pink on the map), Mohave County (Arizona), La Paz County (Arizona) and Yuma County (Arizona))
• Republic of Texas (Texas, Neutral Ground, Oklahoma and New Mexico)
• Kingdom of Deseret (Utah, Arizona, Northeastern Nevada, Western Colorado, Southwestern Wyoming and Southern Idaho)
• Cooperative Commonwealth of Cascadia (Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Western Montana)
• New England (Massachussetts, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Maine, Rhode Island, Vermont and New York)
• Puerto Rico (including US Virgin Islands)
• Mohiana (Ohio, Indiana and Lower Peninsula of Michigan)
• Pennsylvania (including New Jersey)

Isn't this just rehashing old states from the previous RP?

True, but I am open to and appreciate any wishes to change these. I am rebooting ASOMAF, so that's true, although I can change some of these states. I am also working on the American Civil War and the Great War.

[Costa Fierro]

Probably could do with better RPer's.

Edit: I could do a point of difference where Germany wins the Great War and it lasts less long than it did but creates new wars, especially through the collapse of Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire.

[Arvenia]

Probably could do with better RPer's.

Edit: I could do a point of difference where Germany wins the Great War and it lasts less long than it did but creates new wars, especially through the collapse of Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire.

What year would you want that RP to be set in? Does the US still exist in that?

[Castelia]

Probably could do with better RPer's.

Edit: I could do a point of difference where Germany wins the Great War and it lasts less long than it did but creates new wars, especially through the collapse of Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire.

The collapse of the USA is central to the ASOMAF lore, I think. If you could use that as a factor into the collapse of the US, that would be awesome.

[Arvenia]

While I figure out about the Great War and beyond, I got some ideas about the reboot's backstory below.

• Texas remains independent after Henry Clay gets elected as President of the United States in 1844.
• California still revolts against Mexico with support from both Texas and the US.
• After defeating Mexico, California not only secedes, but also annexes Baja California and Baja California Sur.
• The Mormons set up a theocratic state in and around Utah in 1850.
• The Pacific Northwest is the only area in Western US to join the US as the separate states of Oregon, Washington and Idaho.
• The American Civil War simply lasts from 1861 to 1869, which helped weakening the US, plus foreign powers were involved unlike IRL.
• Russia still keeps Alaska (even when being part of the USSR).
• Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Philippines all-out secedes from Spain in 1898.
• The Great Depression (or whatever RP equivalent it would have here) further weakens the US, thus creating newer countries such as Cascadia, Mohiana and New England.
• US may or surely not get involved in the Great War.

I could still need some ideas from you about what the American Civil War would be about and it's consequences.

[Arvenia]

Probably could do with better RPer's.

Edit: I could do a point of difference where Germany wins the Great War and it lasts less long than it did but creates new wars, especially through the collapse of Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire.

The collapse of the USA is central to the ASOMAF lore, I think. If you could use that as a factor into the collapse of the US, that would be awesome.

I am figuring it out how the collapse happened and when it happened. It will be a factor, but I need a scenario for such collapse (civil war, economic collapse, secession, etc).

[Dragos Bee]

The collapse of the USA is central to the ASOMAF lore, I think. If you could use that as a factor into the collapse of the US, that would be awesome.

I am figuring it out how the collapse happened and when it happened. It will be a factor, but I need a scenario for such collapse (civil war, economic collapse, secession, etc).

You can look up Kaiserreich and how they did it, though of course, you don't have to copy all of it...

[Costa Fierro]

The collapse of the USA is central to the ASOMAF lore, I think. If you could use that as a factor into the collapse of the US, that would be awesome.

I am figuring it out how the collapse happened and when it happened. It will be a factor, but I need a scenario for such collapse (civil war, economic collapse, secession, etc).

There'd only be a split between the Confederacy and the Union. There wouldn't be a collapse as such, and territories not already incorporated could chose to join either one.

[Costa Fierro]

As for the Great War, if the US doesn't collapse then, it'd be reasonably easy to say that the war ended in 1917 with the French Army collapsing under the loss of morale and numerous mutinies, and Lord Kitchener negotiating a withdrawal of the British Expeditionary Troops. Peace negotiations would see German colonies returned to her control after being occupied by British and French troops, but as neither France nor Great Britain had really "lost" the war, it would set up the scene for a second round of fighting.

[Arvenia]

I am figuring it out how the collapse happened and when it happened. It will be a factor, but I need a scenario for such collapse (civil war, economic collapse, secession, etc).

There'd only be a split between the Confederacy and the Union. There wouldn't be a collapse as such, and territories not already incorporated could chose to join either one.

I see.

[Arvenia]

As for the Great War, if the US doesn't collapse then, it'd be reasonably easy to say that the war ended in 1917 with the French Army collapsing under the loss of morale and numerous mutinies, and Lord Kitchener negotiating a withdrawal of the British Expeditionary Troops. Peace negotiations would see German colonies returned to her control after being occupied by British and French troops, but as neither France nor Great Britain had really "lost" the war, it would set up the scene for a second round of fighting.

Okay, but I can do a similar discusson thread in the future.

[Costa Fierro]

That was the proposed history for the reboot.

[Arvenia]

That was the proposed history for the reboot.

Okay

[Arvenia]

I got two questions regarding Indochina and North China:
1. Should Indochina be united or split into Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam?
2. Should North China be formally called the "People's Republic of China" or the "Chinese Soviet Republic"?

[The Felan Federation]

I got two questions regarding Indochina and North China:
1. Should Indochina be united or split into Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam?
2. Should North China be formally called the "People's Republic of China" or the "Chinese Soviet Republic"?

I like the name of Soviet Republic.

[The Felan Federation]

While I figure out about the Great War and beyond, I got some ideas about the reboot's backstory below.

• Texas remains independent after Henry Clay gets elected as President of the United States in 1844.
• California still revolts against Mexico with support from both Texas and the US.
• After defeating Mexico, California not only secedes, but also annexes Baja California and Baja California Sur.
• The Mormons set up a theocratic state in and around Utah in 1850.
• The Pacific Northwest is the only area in Western US to join the US as the separate states of Oregon, Washington and Idaho.
• The American Civil War simply lasts from 1861 to 1869, which helped weakening the US, plus foreign powers were involved unlike IRL.
• Russia still keeps Alaska (even when being part of the USSR).
• Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Philippines all-out secedes from Spain in 1898.
• The Great Depression (or whatever RP equivalent it would have here) further weakens the US, thus creating newer countries such as Cascadia, Mohiana and New England.
• US may or surely not get involved in the Great War.

I could still need some ideas from you about what the American Civil War would be about and it's consequences.

I like most of what I see here.

But yeah, look up the Kaisereich wikia. I may be interested in perhaps playing an Austria-Hungary run - if such a possibility is allowed.

Where the Great War ended in a draw...mostly.

[Arvenia]

While I figure out about the Great War and beyond, I got some ideas about the reboot's backstory below.

• Texas remains independent after Henry Clay gets elected as President of the United States in 1844.
• California still revolts against Mexico with support from both Texas and the US.
• After defeating Mexico, California not only secedes, but also annexes Baja California and Baja California Sur.
• The Mormons set up a theocratic state in and around Utah in 1850.
• The Pacific Northwest is the only area in Western US to join the US as the separate states of Oregon, Washington and Idaho.
• The American Civil War simply lasts from 1861 to 1869, which helped weakening the US, plus foreign powers were involved unlike IRL.
• Russia still keeps Alaska (even when being part of the USSR).
• Puerto Rico, Cuba and the Philippines all-out secedes from Spain in 1898.
• The Great Depression (or whatever RP equivalent it would have here) further weakens the US, thus creating newer countries such as Cascadia, Mohiana and New England.
• US may or surely not get involved in the Great War.

I could still need some ideas from you about what the American Civil War would be about and it's consequences.

I like most of what I see here.

But yeah, look up the Kaisereich wikia. I may be interested in perhaps playing an Austria-Hungary run - if such a possibility is allowed.

Where the Great War ended in a draw...mostly.

Okay. Such possibility may remain uncertain at this point.

[The Felan Federation]

I like most of what I see here.

But yeah, look up the Kaisereich wikia. I may be interested in perhaps playing an Austria-Hungary run - if such a possibility is allowed.

Where the Great War ended in a draw...mostly.

Okay. Such possibility may remain uncertain at this point.

Well. You wanted ideas and thoughts on the matter.

[Benuty]

So the mod for Hearts of Iron 4 named Road to 56 has a unique focus tree for the Chinese Soviets. Basically, you can have a leadership struggle with remnants of the Fengtian Clique, and find a compromise. You can either choose a new leader for the communist party or outright have a coup restoring the old clique. You can essentially go in any direction from there. You can focus on freeing up the colonies subjugated by Britain or fighting the Republic of China to claim the mantle of "one China". You can even ignore the alliance option, and allow Japan to curb stomp the republic, and use this to your advantage to landgrab. There is if I recall even an option to try, and focus the fight on the Soviets.

I am suggesting these merely as an option given the Chinese under Mao did eventually schism from their soviet influencers.