New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[Ralnis]

Never thought Luther as an barely bearable and exploitative monster. I feel bad for Sumeria if he ever unites the land.

[Joohan]

*cough*

Ballistae built out of a random cow?

Wait, what?

[Hanafuridake]

This is the Rome one

I just want to say how disappointed I am that none of you went with the Roman name “Biggus Dickus.”

[G-Tech Corporation]

*cough*

Ballistae built out of a random cow?

Wait, what?

Mushroom's Kingdom of the Desert apparently slaughtered a cow and made a ballista.

[Joohan]

This is the Rome one

I just want to say how disappointed I am that none of you went with the Roman name “Biggus Dickus.”

[Civilization OP]

Wait, what?

Mushroom's Kingdom of the Desert apparently slaughtered a cow and made a ballista.

You don't say.

Gimme one second.

[G-Tech Corporation]

This is the Rome one

I just want to say how disappointed I am that none of you went with the Roman name “Biggus Dickus.”

Personally I went with Penetratus Maximus. But nobody thought that name was serious enough.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I might write today... maybe...

Anything I need to do, so Im all up to date? Map stuff, etc...

Damn the Irish and Imperium have expanded quite a bit...

Aggressive Expansion is just a number

Over Extensions is just aaaaooOH GOD I WENT OVER 100

*Just had a Muscovy Ironman game be destroyed by coalitions*

*sulks*

[Plzen]

G-Tech,

1. Generally, what’s the rough geographical extent of your influence?
2. More specifically, what would Clara see and hear sailing up the Elbe?
3. What does your capital look like? Some kind of miniature 19th Century London?

[Bortslovakia]

Never thought Luther as an barely bearable and exploitative monster. I feel bad for Sumeria if he ever unites the land.

Monster, no. Just a bit more on the self centered side based on your stated goal of opulent merchant king

Aggressive Expansion is just a number

Over Extensions is just aaaaooOH GOD I WENT OVER 100

*Just had a Muscovy Ironman game be destroyed by coalitions*

*sulks*

Honestly I haven't gotten a game ending coalition in a while. Just finished a fantastic run as Hisn Kayfa, and somehow didn't even get a small one. That was mostly fighting the Mamluks though

[Ralnis]

Never thought Luther as an barely bearable and exploitative monster. I feel bad for Sumeria if he ever unites the land.

Monster, no. Just a bit more on the self centered side based on your stated goal of opulent merchant king

I mean I am giving back to the people and wishing to bring prosperity to the land. Just that being a rich fat cat happens to be a path I set my sights on in order for this to happen.

[Civilization OP]

G, where was the battle actually? I don't see any way that the Imperium could have expanded all the way down to Romania in only less than eight years time.

Take a look at the territory I drew on the map marked Imperium. This was what I was tracking to be the extent of the Imperium

[Hanafuridake]

Wait, what?

Mushroom's Kingdom of the Desert apparently slaughtered a cow and made a ballista.

Is there nothing cows aren't good for.

[Bortslovakia]

Mushroom's Kingdom of the Desert apparently slaughtered a cow and made a ballista.

Is there nothing cows aren't good for.

In a world where an army wearing literal cement, carrying literal sandbags across the God damn Sinai peninsula doesn't collapse after an hour from collective heat exhaustion, anything is possible

[Reatra]

Is there nothing cows aren't good for.

In a world where an army wearing literal cement, carrying literal sandbags across the God damn Sinai peninsula doesn't collapse after an hour from collective heat exhaustion, anything is possible

..... i'm sorry...?

[Mushroomio]

Is there nothing cows aren't good for.

In a world where an army wearing literal cement, carrying literal sandbags across the God damn Sinai peninsula doesn't collapse after an hour from collective heat exhaustion, anything is possible

While I agree that the cow thing was very stupid of me, and that I didn't think at all when writing it and i'm sorry about that, I did calculations based on the specifications I described, and the helmet would be around 8 pounds, the plates all together 5 pounds, and the spears 2-3 pounds each. The shields would have also been 8 pounds, bringing the grand total weight per soldier at around 33 pounds. That is not at all unreasonable to carry around, tbh, and they do have rests. Although carrying food would make it maybe 20 pounds heavier, that's still reasonable

[UniversalCommons]

In a world where an army wearing literal cement, carrying literal sandbags across the God damn Sinai peninsula doesn't collapse after an hour from collective heat exhaustion, anything is possible

While I agree that the cow thing was very stupid of me, and that I didn't think at all when writing it and i'm sorry about that, I did calculations based on the specifications I described, and the helmet would be around 8 pounds, the plates all together 5 pounds, and the spears 2-3 pounds each. The shields would have also been 8 pounds, bringing the grand total weight per soldier at around 33 pounds. That is not at all unreasonable to carry around, tbh, and they do have rests. Although carrying food would make it maybe 20 pounds heavier, that's still reasonable

Put the extra weight on a goat and create pack goats. It is a real possibility. I have thought about doing this. http://www.emporiagazette.com/latest_ne ... f6eda.html Oxen would not do that well in the desert, but goats would. We still don't have donkeys or horses.

[Hanafuridake]

How long should it realistically take to domesticate horses?

[Bortslovakia]

In a world where an army wearing literal cement, carrying literal sandbags across the God damn Sinai peninsula doesn't collapse after an hour from collective heat exhaustion, anything is possible

While I agree that the cow thing was very stupid of me, and that I didn't think at all when writing it and i'm sorry about that, I did calculations based on the specifications I described, and the helmet would be around 8 pounds, the plates all together 5 pounds, and the spears 2-3 pounds each. The shields would have also been 8 pounds, bringing the grand total weight per soldier at around 33 pounds. That is not at all unreasonable to carry around, tbh, and they do have rests.

The issue I see with it is how hot it gets in the Sinai. 33 pounds isn't much today, but the recommended weight for a hiking pack is 20% of body weight. IE someone 100 pounds should have a pack that weighs 20 pounds optimally for long distance travel, and 30 for 150 pounds. Since there's been no mention of a baggage train (which presents issues in of itself) I can only assume that the average soldier has their own supplies on hand (even with a supply caravan, I imagine most soldiers would have waterskins, some dried jerky or something, and a few helpful tools). Malnutrition means they likely wouldn't weigh nearly as much as modern day, since even with John's likely improvements to the food situation, the Sinai isn't the most fertile of regions. It is one of the colder parts of the Levant/Egypt due to high altitude, but the lowest it ever reaches is single digits in the dead of night during winter in specific parts of the peninsula. In short, on average it's real flat and it's real hot. Cement, to my knowledge, also serves as a good form of insulation compared to other construction materials. Combine that with the fact that wearing concrete armor without some form of padding would be hell, and you have some really bulked up soldiers. So you have overloaded soldiers marching through a flat desert at worst (plain at best), in armor that acts as a fairly good insulator. Assuming for supplies, that would put the weight closer to 40 a person (they probably aren't bringing much with them I'll concede). At the very least those soldiers are guaranteed to be exhausted, and likely would be going through water at an insane rate.

[Mushroomio]

While I agree that the cow thing was very stupid of me, and that I didn't think at all when writing it and i'm sorry about that, I did calculations based on the specifications I described, and the helmet would be around 8 pounds, the plates all together 5 pounds, and the spears 2-3 pounds each. The shields would have also been 8 pounds, bringing the grand total weight per soldier at around 33 pounds. That is not at all unreasonable to carry around, tbh, and they do have rests.

The issue I see with it is how hot it gets in the Sinai. 33 pounds isn't much today, but the recommended weight for a hiking pack is 20% of body weight. IE someone 100 pounds should have a pack that weighs 20 pounds optimally for long distance travel, and 30 for 150 pounds. Since there's been no mention of a baggage train (which presents issues in of itself) I can only assume that the average soldier has their own supplies on hand (even with a supply caravan, I imagine most soldiers would have waterskins, some dried jerky or something, and a few helpful tools). Malnutrition means they likely wouldn't weigh nearly as much as modern day, since even with John's likely improvements to the food situation, the Sinai isn't the most fertile of regions. It is one of the colder parts of the Levant/Egypt due to high altitude, but the lowest it ever reaches is single digits in the dead of night during winter in specific parts of the peninsula. In short, on average it's real flat and it's real hot. Cement, to my knowledge, also serves as a good form of insulation compared to other construction materials. Combine that with the fact that wearing concrete armor without some form of padding would be hell, and you have some really bulked up soldiers. So you have overloaded soldiers marching through a flat desert at worst (plain at best), in armor that acts as a fairly good insulator. Assuming for supplies, that would put the weight closer to 40 a person (they probably aren't bringing much with them I'll concede). At the very least those soldiers are guaranteed to be exhausted, and likely would be going through water at an insane rate.

That makes sense, I'll make sure I address this in my next post

[Joohan]

How long should it realistically take to domesticate horses?

It depends. You could train a horse to be docile from a very young age, and it could be fully capable of work and other labor by the time it reaches a year old ( bearing in mind that most horse breeds were smaller during this period of history ).

But that is an individual animal. In order to have a proper stock of horses to disperse among your populace, you would need perhaps no less than 100 specimen, each being separated from each other by at least 4 generations - to insure no issues with inbreeding.

You'll likely need to supplant your own stallions with captured fowls for a couple of generations - it's what i'm doing out west.

Edit: in terms of your civ getting horses on a permanent basis, i'd give it about 20-30 years.

[G-Tech Corporation]

G, where was the battle actually? I don't see any way that the Imperium could have expanded all the way down to Romania in only less than eight years time.

Take a look at the territory I drew on the map marked Imperium. This was what I was tracking to be the extent of the Imperium

More like Budapest, actually. Viktor doesn't know that though. I'm assuming that the expansion during the timeskip was more along the Danube and up the Elbe, since expansion away from easy water sources and transport wouldn't make sense in this period.

[G-Tech Corporation]

G-Tech,

1. Generally, what’s the rough geographical extent of your influence?
2. More specifically, what would Clara see and hear sailing up the Elbe?
3. What does your capital look like? Some kind of miniature 19th Century London?

1. I vaguely presume that it runs from about Leipzing-latitude on the Elbe, down to the Danube around central Hungary, and in the upper Danube basin extensively.
2. Along the waters itself? Not much of note until she hits the Erzgebirge themselves. Then you'll run into a harbor-chain near the entrance to the mountains, and potentially shipping. Mainly small craft, but perhaps a rare knarr or the like.
3. Pretty much a generic medieval-esque town. The main things to note will be the paved roads, obvious covered sewers, and buildings constructed out of bricks of a standard dimension alongside slate roofs and machined timber boards. Far more cookie-cutter than most cities.

[Joohan]

G-Tech,

1. Generally, what’s the rough geographical extent of your influence?
2. More specifically, what would Clara see and hear sailing up the Elbe?
3. What does your capital look like? Some kind of miniature 19th Century London?

1. I vaguely presume that it runs from about Leipzing-latitude on the Elbe, down to the Danube around central Hungary, and in the upper Danube basin extensively.
2. Along the waters itself? Not much of note until she hits the Erzgebirge themselves. Then you'll run into a harbor-chain near the entrance to the mountains, and potentially shipping. Mainly small craft, but perhaps a rare knarr or the like.
3. Pretty much a generic medieval-esque town. The main things to note will be the paved roads, obvious covered sewers, and buildings constructed out of bricks of a standard dimension alongside slate roofs and machined timber boards. Far more cookie-cutter than most cities.

Alright - could you draw an outline and send it to me so that I could better represent your territory on the map?

[G-Tech Corporation]

1. I vaguely presume that it runs from about Leipzing-latitude on the Elbe, down to the Danube around central Hungary, and in the upper Danube basin extensively.
2. Along the waters itself? Not much of note until she hits the Erzgebirge themselves. Then you'll run into a harbor-chain near the entrance to the mountains, and potentially shipping. Mainly small craft, but perhaps a rare knarr or the like.
3. Pretty much a generic medieval-esque town. The main things to note will be the paved roads, obvious covered sewers, and buildings constructed out of bricks of a standard dimension alongside slate roofs and machined timber boards. Far more cookie-cutter than most cities.

Alright - could you draw an outline and send it to me so that I could better represent your territory on the map?

Certainly. I'm slowly working through that actually, since my old map only had central Czechia. Finding one large enough for detail took quite some time - but I'll get it over to you once it is complete.