New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[Reatra]

I kinda just wanna wander around for an extra few years, heading south, gathering a crop package, before making an outright "civilization" tbh.

I know it'll put me "behind" but we playing the long-term game over here, a fifteen year headstart is nothing compared to even a .01% extra percent population increase annually over two millennia, ya know?

[Cainesland]

I am hoping to continue my post tomorrow. It's getting late but I wanted to write some ideas down to think about and continue off of.

I kinda just wanna wander around for an extra few years, heading south, gathering a crop package, before making an outright "civilization" tbh.

I know it'll put me "behind" but we playing the long-term game over here, a fifteen year headstart is nothing compared to even a .01% extra percent population increase annually over two millennia, ya know?

That sounds good. I don't think there's too much that you need to rush at this point. Although, I am assuming that we may not know we are immortal at this point.

[Reatra]

I am hoping to continue my post tomorrow. It's getting late but I wanted to write some ideas down to think about and continue off of.

I kinda just wanna wander around for an extra few years, heading south, gathering a crop package, before making an outright "civilization" tbh.

I know it'll put me "behind" but we playing the long-term game over here, a fifteen year headstart is nothing compared to even a .01% extra percent population increase annually over two millennia, ya know?

That sounds good. I don't think there's too much that you need to rush at this point. Although, I am assuming that we may not know we are immortal at this point.

Oh definitely won't know for some time, but the increased health and vigor might give it away more than lack of aging.

Besides, a naked man transported to the Bering Strait is uhhhh, gonna wanna find somewhere else lmfao

[Bortslovakia]

I kinda just wanna wander around for an extra few years, heading south, gathering a crop package, before making an outright "civilization" tbh.

I know it'll put me "behind" but we playing the long-term game over here, a fifteen year headstart is nothing compared to even a .01% extra percent population increase annually over two millennia, ya know?

You're isolated enough that I doubt a bit of wandering will set you back in any meaningful way. Your only neighbor is isolated in Japan, which with bronze to steel age technology, will take a very long time to conquer. I'd say you probably have around 30 years IC to work with before anyone even meets you, let alone worry about being attacked. I say go for it, for what my opinion is worth.

[Reatra]

I kinda just wanna wander around for an extra few years, heading south, gathering a crop package, before making an outright "civilization" tbh.

I know it'll put me "behind" but we playing the long-term game over here, a fifteen year headstart is nothing compared to even a .01% extra percent population increase annually over two millennia, ya know?

You're isolated enough that I doubt a bit of wandering will set you back in any meaningful way. Your only neighbor is isolated in Japan, which with bronze to steel age technology, will take a very long time to conquer. I'd say you probably have around 30 years IC to work with before anyone even meets you, let alone worry about being attacked. I say go for it, for what my opinion is worth.

Ah I'm going to!

Also, the more I research, the more I realize I would be miserable in the place I landed.... Perfect! Great drive to move south! After trying to figure out where he is via day length, geography, and what he can remember of which parts of the world have a ten-mile-wide arctic peninsula jutting eastward into the sea.


After a couple weeks I imagine he's narrow it down to a few possibilities, unfortunately I'm not super well learned on pre-Dorset cultures and basically all he would be able to figure out is they're definitely not Inuit or Thule people so...


I gotta do more research before I do a second post, definitely.

[Reatra]

Alright, phew, we love hour and a half long writing sessions when I should be studying. At least an opening post is done!

[UniversalCommons]

Just as a note, the Pharaoh Djer was supposed to have written a text on anatomy and medicine. We would not meet him, but the text might be widely distributed. This is exactly during the time period of 3000 bc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_E ... al_studies

[Mushroomio]

Just as a note, the Pharaoh Djer was supposed to have written a text on anatomy and medicine. We would not meet him, but the text might be widely distributed. This is exactly during the time period of 3000 bc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_E ... al_studies

Sorry for not writing in such a long time, school has been pretty tough with finals coming up, but I should have another installment this week. Thanks for the information here, btw

[Bortslovakia]

I'll probably get a new post up either tonight or tomorrow. It'll mostly focus on Dublin itself as opposed to the rest of Ireland, but I'm not really sure what the architectural style will be. Originally it was a lot of glorified round wooden huts with chimneys sticking out the middle (stoves in the middle of the house of course), but that feels a bit too neolithic-utilitarian considering it's been ten years by now. Pat would definitely lay the city out on a grid to get around the vomit inducing roads of natural cities like IRL London, it's just a question of how nice everything actually looks. End goal is Parisian style boulevards with less focus on aesthetic, but that's a loooooooong way off. I'll try to make a city map at some point I guess.

[The Isle of The Webb]

I'll probably get a new post up either tonight or tomorrow. It'll mostly focus on Dublin itself as opposed to the rest of Ireland, but I'm not really sure what the architectural style will be. Originally it was a lot of glorified round wooden huts with chimneys sticking out the middle (stoves in the middle of the house of course), but that feels a bit too neolithic-utilitarian considering it's been ten years by now. Pat would definitely lay the city out on a grid to get around the vomit inducing roads of natural cities like IRL London, it's just a question of how nice everything actually looks. End goal is Parisian style boulevards with less focus on aesthetic, but that's a loooooooong way off. I'll try to make a city map at some point I guess.

But vomit inducing roads are the best roads especially if you add multiple levels of road.

Also sorry about the lack of posts in he middle of tech week for a show.

[Joohan]

I'll probably get a new post up either tonight or tomorrow. It'll mostly focus on Dublin itself as opposed to the rest of Ireland, but I'm not really sure what the architectural style will be. Originally it was a lot of glorified round wooden huts with chimneys sticking out the middle (stoves in the middle of the house of course), but that feels a bit too neolithic-utilitarian considering it's been ten years by now. Pat would definitely lay the city out on a grid to get around the vomit inducing roads of natural cities like IRL London, it's just a question of how nice everything actually looks. End goal is Parisian style boulevards with less focus on aesthetic, but that's a loooooooong way off. I'll try to make a city map at some point I guess.

Firstyou steel my army size, now you're trying to make Irish Israel?!

I accept your challenge. I found that just founding a new city entirely to be a better option than trying to reform Stranix. And placing it along a river gives a lot of industrial and agricultural bonuses.

[Reatra]

So I got an idea. And 3000 BCE is an acceptable time to execute the idea.


This is gonna be fun

[Ralnis]

I think I'm the only one who doesn't have some grand plan. I only want to unite Mesopotamia and maybe reform the religion to one that worships just Anu and not all the other gods.

[Reatra]

I think I'm the only one who doesn't have some grand plan. I only want to unite Mesopotamia and maybe reform the religion to one that worships just Anu and not all the other gods.

That seems uhhh pretty grand lmfao

[Ralnis]

I think I'm the only one who doesn't have some grand plan. I only want to unite Mesopotamia and maybe reform the religion to one that worships just Anu and not all the other gods.

That seems uhhh pretty grand lmfao

Yeah but very creative. I mean my character is a merchant king who has established Ur as a source of wealth and prominence in Sumeria and has an alliance with Eridu before he starts his conquest. But other than that it isn't much of a creative nation than other places.

[Reatra]

That seems uhhh pretty grand lmfao

Yeah but very creative. I mean my character is a merchant king who has established Ur as a source of wealth and prominence in Sumeria and has an alliance with Eridu before he starts his conquest. But other than that it isn't much of a creative nation than other places.

whoa you’re already a ruler of a pre-established state only a decade in??

[Ralnis]

Yeah but very creative. I mean my character is a merchant king who has established Ur as a source of wealth and prominence in Sumeria and has an alliance with Eridu before he starts his conquest. But other than that it isn't much of a creative nation than other places.

whoa you’re already a ruler of a pre-established state only a decade in??

Luther was doing lots of big trade deals and basically bought his way to kingship. However his kingship is mostly in title only as the high priestess he's married to uses him for his powers to speak in all languages and his knowledge of public relations and trading.

Plus he's only been "king" for two years after making a marriage contract with the high priestess. So his rulership is suspect at best.

[Reatra]

whoa you’re already a ruler of a pre-established state only a decade in??

Luther was doing lots of big trade deals and basically bought his way to kingship. However his kingship is mostly in title only as the high priestess he's married to uses him for his powers to speak in all languages and his knowledge of public relations and trading.

Plus he's only been "king" for two years after making a marriage contract with the high priestess. So his rulership is suspect at best.

there oughta be some high key civil wars popping up like, now then, right?

damn man goes from naked to king in eight years yo shit

[Ralnis]

Luther was doing lots of big trade deals and basically bought his way to kingship. However his kingship is mostly in title only as the high priestess he's married to uses him for his powers to speak in all languages and his knowledge of public relations and trading.

Plus he's only been "king" for two years after making a marriage contract with the high priestess. So his rulership is suspect at best.

there oughta be some high key civil wars popping up like, now then, right?

damn man goes from naked to king in eight years yo shit

No because everything is ok and money makes the world go round.

But your right, I'll reel it back to just being a rich merchant with ten years of experience and influence in politics in Sumeria.

@Commons, you can have your engineers and teachers as I messed up. If anything I can just say that they work for me and I'm planning on making a true long distance expedition that way for a formal introduction.

[Reatra]

Yeah, but while Mesopotamia is definitely the only place that would require people who transport goods, they are still far from being a merchant class. There’s at least another millennium, if not a millennium and a half, before that really happens. Trade is still almost exclusively done by the ruling class of priests, and kings really exist as military figures solely, barely even political .

[Cainesland]

Is Victor Spear now primarily inhabiting the area denoted on the map as the Nestos league? Or is victor spear now primarily inhabairing the area denoted on the map as Victor Spear?

[Reatra]

I really don’t understand how some of y’all are finding the population capable to be relocated into whole ass towns in some of your places. Like it’s only been a decade, even if they somehow immediately became chief and introduced agriculture and germ theory and cast iron tools, etcetera, the population can’t be noticeably larger just yet, and all the new people would be children, too.

There are very few places in this world that had a high population density before they had their bronze age. Japan is one, California is another, and maybe the British Isles, etcetera, but none of them would have the population able to really have towns, just larger settlements that might exist as cultural hubs, ya know?

This isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but it feels like a general feeling of most of us here treating it so far as if a century has passed, when it’s just barely been a decade.


Also I wrote this with speech to text, so if it looks kind of funky let me know

[Ralnis]

Yeah, but while Mesopotamia is definitely the only place that would require people who transport goods, they are still far from being a merchant class. There’s at least another millennium, if not a millennium and a half, before that really happens. Trade is still almost exclusively done by the ruling class of priests, and kings really exist as military figures solely, barely even political .

Good to know, can probably say that he's an advisor and translator to the trading priest that oversees the caravan.

[Formerland]

I really don’t understand how some of y’all are finding the population capable to be relocated into whole ass towns in some of your places. Like it’s only been a decade, even if they somehow immediately became chief and introduced agriculture and germ theory and cast iron tools, etcetera, the population can’t be noticeably larger just yet, and all the new people would be children, too.

There are very few places in this world that had a high population density before they had their bronze age. Japan is one, California is another, and maybe the British Isles, etcetera, but none of them would have the population able to really have towns, just larger settlements that might exist as cultural hubs, ya know?

This isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but it feels like a general feeling of most of us here treating it so far as if a century has passed, when it’s just barely been a decade.


Also I wrote this with speech to text, so if it looks kind of funky let me know

Yeah, but while Mesopotamia is definitely the only place that would require people who transport goods, they are still far from being a merchant class. There’s at least another millennium, if not a millennium and a half, before that really happens. Trade is still almost exclusively done by the ruling class of priests, and kings really exist as military figures solely, barely even political .

I think there is evidence of extensive trade especially in certain valuable metals across most societies in this time period ( though admittedly this is far from a merchant class, more like a caravan clan) and the population density is still rather debatable to this day. Though in general I would tend to agree. I wouldn't expect to see any village/amalgam of villages with more than 250 people outside a major river valley system for at least a century or so.

I think the big drawer is the idea of build it and they will come, a good degree more density is possible if there is reason for it. Why would you choose to live near others who could potentially cause trouble? many reasons, mostly about services.

[Ralnis]

Yeah I'll just stick to being working as an advisor and translator to an adventurous priest who needs somebody to speak to tribes and able to advise on dealmaking