New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[G-Tech Corporation]

To tribal warriors that wear masks? Much the same as the reaction to any other tribal warriors, I assume.

Oh, I expected something better since their masks are modeled after demons and stuff ( you know, horns, large teeth, pig faces, goat faces, etc. ) and Imperium is a largely Christian state

Ah, well, that’s largely cultural inheritance from various precursor societies. Christianity itself really doesn’t have a concept of demons as distinct from vaguely angelic figures.

[Endem]

Oh, I expected something better since their masks are modeled after demons and stuff ( you know, horns, large teeth, pig faces, goat faces, etc. ) and Imperium is a largely Christian state

Ah, well, that’s largely cultural inheritance from various precursor societies. Christianity itself really doesn’t have a concept of demons as distinct from vaguely angelic figures.

That's a... bummer, would those masks at least serve their purpose of damaging the morale of the enemies?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, well, that’s largely cultural inheritance from various precursor societies. Christianity itself really doesn’t have a concept of demons as distinct from vaguely angelic figures.

That's a... bummer, would those masks at least serve their purpose of damaging the morale of the enemies?

Well, masks have a great purpose in dehumanizing an enemy, so there’s that. That and concealing your identity are useful outcomes. But even ancient people should have enough familiarity with the concept to understand that masked figures are still just humans.

[Endem]

That's a... bummer, would those masks at least serve their purpose of damaging the morale of the enemies?

Well, masks have a great purpose in dehumanizing an enemy, so there’s that. That and concealing your identity are useful outcomes. But even ancient people should have enough familiarity with the concept to understand that masked figures are still just humans.

I do know that, I'm already working on fixing that, so far I have the Czarts dress in full black with their uniforms covering all of their skin ( as well as trying to reduce any noticeable differences between them such as height )

[Bortslovakia]

I wanna do a Euron Grayjoy and raid every inch of coast in the world, they will pray to the Greatest Prophet when they see his sails on the horizon. Better get my pillaging pants ready.

Oh goody, more raiders to kill. This time with funny squid hats!

[Plzen]

IC post is up! Does the argument presented sound familiar?

Oh goody, more raiders to kill. This time with funny squid hats!

You know, I wonder if this sort of raiding leaves behind meaningful evidence. Probably not, but it would be interesting if Hibernia throws a case into the Commonwealth's judicial system over raiding. Raiding Hibernia is decidedly illegal by Commonwealth law, after all...

[G-Tech Corporation]

IC post is up! Does the argument presented sound familiar?

Oh goody, more raiders to kill. This time with funny squid hats!

You know, I wonder if this sort of raiding leaves behind meaningful evidence. Probably not, but it would be interesting if Hibernia throws a case into the Commonwealth's judicial system over raiding. Raiding Hibernia is decidedly illegal by Commonwealth law, after all...

If the glove does not fit, you must acquit.

[Plzen]

If the glove does not fit, you must acquit.

Presumption of innocence is a pretty important cornerstone of what we understand as a legitimate judiciary in the contemporary world, after all, and so it will be in the Commonwealth also.

I can't think of any meaningful way a victimised Hibernian settlement would be able to prove in any meaningful way that they were raided by exactly that particular group of people that raided them, but after years of raids and a hundreds if not thousands of bright minds surely someone might come up with something...

[Bortslovakia]

If the glove does not fit, you must acquit.

Presumption of innocence is a pretty important cornerstone of what we understand as a legitimate judiciary in the contemporary world, after all, and so it will be in the Commonwealth also.

I can't think of any meaningful way a victimised Hibernian settlement would be able to prove in any meaningful way that they were raided by exactly that particular group of people that raided them, but after years of raids and a hundreds if not thousands of bright minds surely someone might come up with something...

State policy is to imprison or execute captured raiders at the moment. Even if there was an extradition treaty, the Commonwealth can't exactly protest without acknowledging its own responsibility.

As we've said though, it's not exactly prolific these days. A few pirates here, a raid there. No more illegal maritime activity than is reasonably expected. The real issue is still, of course, the captive slaves currently in Scandinavia. I've been holding off meddling in that affair until after the Icedonian situation is settled, but rest assured that the people of Britain shall be freed of their shackles!

[Plzen]

State policy is to imprison or execute captured raiders at the moment. Even if there was an extradition treaty, the Commonwealth can't exactly protest without acknowledging its own responsibility.

I was discussing more in terms of the raiders who succeed in their trips and come back home reasonably safely to enjoy their new riches. Since raiding Hibernia is illegal under Commonwealth law, if the Hibernians can bring evidence they can reasonably demand adjudication by one of the assemblies. But yeah... I can't imagine this is a very big thing anymore. There are easier targets on the European coast.

Also, what do you mean the "captive slaves" in Scandinavia? All permanent residents have the same privileges of citizenship as any other permanent resident in Scandinavia, which is a lot more than anyone in our autocratic neighbours!

De jure the Commonwealth has no slavery or any system of indentured servitude, and the more years go by the more factually true this is as well.

[Plzen]

See this monstrosity (base map from Wikipedia)? This weird bit of Siberia that juts out on the left end of a map centered on the Greenwich Observatory? We can put an end to this and get that lovely, aesthetically pleasing world map we've always wanted. All we have to do is, when we're doing globalisation and start standardising global coordinate systems, make sure to put our prime meridian somewhere between 10.35 to 11.85 degrees further east than the real-life one intersecting Greenwich Observatory. So I was looking around a world map to see if that band intersects any big cities I have, and it seems that Ringsted, near the centre of Sjælland, falls just slightly within that band. How very convenient.

...well, I know what the (future) Commonwealth Society of Navigation will be using as the zero point in their coordinate system. It even makes perfect political sense, so I can justify this even if Clara has no access to any accurate charts of the world.

[Joohan]

Hold on, WHAT?!

They preach GENOCIDE as a core tenant! Their entire religion is just an apparatus for the state! How are they the ones that are alright?

No no no no no.

I know i've only mentioned them in IC like once before, but that isn't their schtick. I've actually put in an appearance for one of the cults in me and G's current collab post. The virtue cult's don't preach genocide. Genocide is strictly a policy of the Icedonian army, as a means of strategic control.

The virtue cults have nothing to do with genocide, or even the Service for that matter. Issac didn't make the cults, he's never even acknowledged them. They were the resulting fusion between the native's affinity for shamanistic ancestor worship, and the Service's virtue ethics. The only purpose of the virtue cults is to venerate/idolize/deify the person's who came before you in what ever it is you're endeavoring towards. In the Army, soldiers have the Cult of Fifteen: the fifteen Ablan soldiers who died in the war of the west, that wound up creating the Serivce. Soldiers ask them for favor and stuff, so that they can be better soldiers. Accant's have their own cult, were they ask remarkable accants of the past for favor so that they might be as impressive as they had been. Eventually, these cults are going to spread to workplaces, farms, and even family significant clans. It's just really advanced ancestor worship, it has nothing to do with the actual apparatus of the Service itself, and is not unique to the Icedonians ( a few admirers in Hibernia as I recall ).

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Huh. This is still alive. I am still alive. Maybe I will return yonder.

[UniversalCommons]

I am assuming that there would essentially be a crusade of some type against the Cyclades.

1) Attacking the temple of the Bull would inflame the Minoans. It would also inflame the Cucuteni who have been part of the settlements in the Cyclades from Oak in the Aegean.
2) Claiming to be part of the elder gods would probably anger many of the peoples of the Aegean, who tell stories about how the Elder Gods or Titans were cast out. It would not be hard to make a case that they were trying to reclaim the titans.
3) This is seizing already occupied territory and creating a new polity which is welcome for the conflict involved. I did provide a map which included the Cyclades recently. It would not be easy to hold.

[Joohan]

Huh. This is still alive. I am still alive. Maybe I will return yonder.

Legends never die my friend

[Joohan]

I am assuming that there would essentially be a crusade of some type against the Cyclades.

1) Attacking the temple of the Bull would inflame the Minoans. It would also inflame the Cucuteni who have been part of the settlements in the Cyclades from Oak in the Aegean.
2) Claiming to be part of the elder gods would probably anger many of the peoples of the Aegean, who tell stories about how the Elder Gods or Titans were cast out. It would not be hard to make a case that they were trying to reclaim the titans.
3) This is seizing already occupied territory and creating a new polity which is welcome for the conflict involved. I did provide a map which included the Cyclades recently. It would not be easy to hold.

Well, Greek mythology as we know it does not exist right now - so I don't think there would be much revulsion as to their supposed blasphemy. Has he made any posts yet?

[G-Tech Corporation]

I am assuming that there would essentially be a crusade of some type against the Cyclades.

1) Attacking the temple of the Bull would inflame the Minoans. It would also inflame the Cucuteni who have been part of the settlements in the Cyclades from Oak in the Aegean.
2) Claiming to be part of the elder gods would probably anger many of the peoples of the Aegean, who tell stories about how the Elder Gods or Titans were cast out. It would not be hard to make a case that they were trying to reclaim the titans.
3) This is seizing already occupied territory and creating a new polity which is welcome for the conflict involved. I did provide a map which included the Cyclades recently. It would not be easy to hold.

Well, Greek mythology as we know it does not exist right now - so I don't think there would be much revulsion as to their supposed blasphemy. Has he made any posts yet?

Da, dos. Madcap cultists are assaulting islands over four months.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Well, Greek mythology as we know it does not exist right now - so I don't think there would be much revulsion as to their supposed blasphemy. Has he made any posts yet?

Da, dos. Madcap cultists are assaulting islands over four months.

I like sieges, I am Perturabo.
Also oh god oh fuck he’s gonna vibe check me G-tech halp

[Joohan]

Da, dos. Madcap cultists are assaulting islands over four months.

I like sieges, I am Perturabo.
Also oh god oh fuck he’s gonna vibe check me G-tech halp

Lemme check it out first, before I get my clap cannon ready.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

Wait incendiaries? Welp time to bring out the gunpowder. Feeling gunpowdery today, might build Hwachas later.

[Bortslovakia]

State policy is to imprison or execute captured raiders at the moment. Even if there was an extradition treaty, the Commonwealth can't exactly protest without acknowledging its own responsibility.

I was discussing more in terms of the raiders who succeed in their trips and come back home reasonably safely to enjoy their new riches. Since raiding Hibernia is illegal under Commonwealth law, if the Hibernians can bring evidence they can reasonably demand adjudication by one of the assemblies. But yeah... I can't imagine this is a very big thing anymore. There are easier targets on the European coast.

Also, what do you mean the "captive slaves" in Scandinavia? All permanent residents have the same privileges of citizenship as any other permanent resident in Scandinavia, which is a lot more than anyone in our autocratic neighbours!

De jure the Commonwealth has no slavery or any system of indentured servitude, and the more years go by the more factually true this is as well.

Hold on, WHAT?!

They preach GENOCIDE as a core tenant! Their entire religion is just an apparatus for the state! How are they the ones that are alright?

No no no no no.

I know i've only mentioned them in IC like once before, but that isn't their schtick. I've actually put in an appearance for one of the cults in me and G's current collab post. The virtue cult's don't preach genocide. Genocide is strictly a policy of the Icedonian army, as a means of strategic control.

The virtue cults have nothing to do with genocide, or even the Service for that matter. Issac didn't make the cults, he's never even acknowledged them. They were the resulting fusion between the native's affinity for shamanistic ancestor worship, and the Service's virtue ethics. The only purpose of the virtue cults is to venerate/idolize/deify the person's who came before you in what ever it is you're endeavoring towards. In the Army, soldiers have the Cult of Fifteen: the fifteen Ablan soldiers who died in the war of the west, that wound up creating the Serivce. Soldiers ask them for favor and stuff, so that they can be better soldiers. Accant's have their own cult, were they ask remarkable accants of the past for favor so that they might be as impressive as they had been. Eventually, these cults are going to spread to workplaces, farms, and even family significant clans. It's just really advanced ancestor worship, it has nothing to do with the actual apparatus of the Service itself, and is not unique to the Icedonians ( a few admirers in Hibernia as I recall ).

All I'm seeing is a lot of propaganda. The Commonwealth is actively abducting people and tossing them into villages with no means of leaving. Icedonia's virtue cult is literally developing around state institutions. Back it up

Wait incendiaries? Welp time to bring out the gunpowder. Feeling gunpowdery today, might build Hwachas later.

Do the Cyclades have natural sources of niter and sulfur? More importantly, do they have them in enough abundance to produce gunpowder at an industrial level? Because it took 20 years for my author to even consider gunpowder as a worthwhile investment of his time, and that's because I lucked out with iron sulfate being readily available. Ireland is still getting saltpeter the hard/messy way.

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

The wiki sources ain’t telling us anything cap’n

[Bortslovakia]

The wiki sources ain’t telling us anything cap’n

Yarr the charts be out of date

[Guuj Xaat Kil]

The wiki sources ain’t telling us anything cap’n

Yarr the charts be out of date

Forsooth, the ethereal network can no longer be trusted. Cap’n dost thou have the correct almanacs?

[UniversalCommons]

Want to have some fun. Hopefully, I can steal that gunpowder tech from him. I am assuming that the Krakens are using something like cannibal soldiering where you do something so crazy that you can never be accepted by someone else like publicly eat barbecued long pig and force your new recruits to eat it.

Something like participating in drowning people then make your recruits do the same. Classic conditioning to create loyal soldiers who can go nowhere else.

As far as sulfur, there is a lot of it in Greece. There are many volcanic islands with sulfur deposits. Melos is in the Cyclades-- it has sulfur, alum, and obsidian as well as a variety of minerals.

Nitre can be made from piss or excrement. It would take some time to get it up to industrial quantities though. I could see a few barrel bombs being there.

The Greek Mythology might not, but the attacking a deity would be considered sacrilege.