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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:35 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Which will make me question your comprehension of early Christianity. Christians were thought of as extremely humanistic and grounded in the physical world by the societies around them, and even persecuted for their 'atheistic' approach to the separation of secular governance and religious life. If anything, the local Norse pagans will have a far less humanistic approach to religion than any Imperial Christians - seeing religious duties as a necessary part of governance - reinforcing the hypocrisy of the Act.

I just realised I promised a response to this and just forgot.

Anyways, I will admit that I don't keep tabs on religious theory and I'm not familiar with the history nor the current state of theological discourse.

My understanding of Christianity comes from two main sources. First, I actually did read a significant part of the Bible; I was a curious youth in my younger years and I wanted to know what all the fuss was about. One thing I noticed immediately is how profoundly boring the read is (seriously...), so I gave up halfway through, but I did go through a good majority of the Old Testament. Second, of course, is that osmosis of information I get by virtue of existing in an information-era society. I read a good deal of world history and I keep tab on international news, so I hear a lot about how Christianity relates to both. Then there are a few personal experiences that I'll not detail because they're identifying.

Neither of these experiences have left me particularly impressed with the faith.

First, there's the Bible itself. Consider the very first time in the Old Testament where humans appear in the story: the fable of Eden and of Adam and Eve. What lesson, exactly, was I supposed to take away from this story? That curiosity and knowledge brings sin, that trying to independently reason through your assumptions and decisions is harmful, that you should just trust that those wiser than you intend good and that you should be blindly subservient to an authority you do not understand and are not intended to understand? To a progressive, this sort of mindset and worldview is heretical in the highest order. Further on, you have the chosen people being divinely authorised to commit atrocities, thorough ethnic cleansing of entire nations that would have made Hitler proud. No doubt these stories have been embellished, if they were based on reality in the first place, but I question the intention of anyone who tries to emphasise what a great authority it is that we're serving by highlighting the atrocities they commanded. Christians are supposed to blindly accept this authority?

Second, Christianity's footprint on world history and current affairs. Christian individuals have done heroic and humanitarian acts throughout history, I will admit, but as an institution the record is much more negative. The largest sects of the Christian faiths appear in world history and current affairs mostly in a reactionary role. National churches of northern Europe and the church in Rome fought against secular government, free speech, and nationalism in the 19th Century. In the next century, Protestants and Catholics alike mostly stood on the reactionary side of the sexual revolution and cultural tolerance. In our current century, which cultural movement forms the core of the anti-LGBT, anti-immigration movement in countries like South Korea? The Protestant churches. The story of Christianity after the industrial revolution is not a story of progress, of the new social and political ideas that dominated these eras, but the resigned adoption of these new ideas as they become so essentially noncontroversial that opposing them was no longer socially acceptable. In countries where these ideas are not yet essentially noncontroversial, you still see the largest Abrahamic movements - Christianity or Islam, as the case may be - standing against them.

It seems difficult to argue, from my perspective, that Christianity - at least the form of it that is practiced by most of its adherents - has been dragged kicking and screaming into the information age, and that without the powerful social forces of the industrial and post-industrial eras this contemporary form of Christianity could neither have come to become mainstream, nor stayed that way if it somehow had. I'd compare the institution to the aristocracy of western Europe, which was similarly dragged into the information age by powerful social forces it resisted, albeit unsuccessfully, at every turn. If it is my intention to use the foresight of world history to force the ideals and systems of an industrial society on a nation that is essentially an agrarian one, then Christianity is, just like a landed aristocracy, one of those inherently reactionary institutions that cannot be allowed to establish its influence over the Commonwealth's social and political development.
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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:55 am

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Name: Philip Andrada
Age: 18
Height and Weight: 5'11", 201 pounds
Skin, hair, and eye description: Somewhat light brown skin, brown eyes, black hair.

Prior Profession: Errand boy
Level of education: High School
Physique description: If poor is 1 and best is 10, and above average is 5, then give him a 6
Useful skills:
  • Knows gunpowder formula (poor fireworks only for now)
  • Father was a shipbuilder (knows how to make vinta)
  • Somewhat amateurish writer
  • Armchair general
  • A nerd for ships ("Yeah, I can build a Viking longboat... I think."(cannot build boats made out of metal))
  • Good endurance
  • "I can fish, yeah, definitely! I think..."
  • and a slight amount of apathy (killed a cat for breaking into the house and beating up his cat once, didn't bat an eye)

National Origin: Philippines
What were you doing prior to falling asleep and awakening in the past?: Reading a book about battleships and getting to the last chapter of The Mountains of Madness. As well as worrying about college and expenses.
Description of personality: Diligent, wroth (and impatient), deceitful, shrewd, stubborn, shy, proud (not very proud), ambitious, above-average megalomania
Where in the world are you landing?: Naxos, The Cyclades

Autobiography/Biography: Born as the middle and only male child to a Christian family living in Muslim-dominated Tawitawi, Philip at a young age was a smart lad, skipping kindergarten altogether and diving immediately into Grade 1, but as the school years wore on, it appeared as it was only temporary as his grades began slipping into above average. Around Grade 6 his family would leave for his grandparents' house in Tambler in General Santos, where his father made a living on making boats for the various beach resorts nearby to use as tourist attractions, and he taught his son as well. In high school, he was constantly bullied, and he would report to his family only to be ridiculed. When he was 16 his parents separated and he quickly became the errand boy and the go-to child to do nearly everything in the house, although he resented this as well as being constantly outspoken, he begrudgingly accepted it, allowing himself to develop a diligent personality, same could not be said for his schooling. Eventually, he found a website called thenationstate.net where he would begin his writing hobby as a roleplayer of nations, his choice of roleplays moulded him into becoming a ship enthusiast and an armchair general. Thorugh said site he developed a liking for Lovecraft's works. He was barely able to pass high school with acceptable grades for college, but the costs made him worry, as his family was already in a difficult spot. One night he fell asleep and suddenly disappeared from the bed, everything on him including clothes was left behind, and his family is worried sick and is currently looking for him.

As for him, he is currently drowning somewhere, he never really got into swimming that much. But hey look, there's land nearby.

What are your intentions for this RP, what's the long term goal?: Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn, what is dead may never die boiiiii
What people or places are you taking inspiration from?: My modded CK2 runs and the rulers I've played in them
Why did you chose to land where you did?: Islander bois, and I'm an islander. Islands good.
What vibe should we get from your civilization and it's culture?: Hi do you have a moment to talk about our lord and savior Cthulhu? No? Give me your stuff. No? Die.
What are your character's motivations?: A constantly outspoken man with an inferiority complex to match, he now finds himself in an isekai-like situation and in his natural environment, he can use his SUPERIOR SHIPBUILDING SKILLS to impress everyone to say "Yeah man be our leader."
Theme Song?: You hear distant screams of "IA CTHULHU"
What do you wanna see in this RP? What would make it better?: I wanna see people go "Ok this is not epic, punitive wars!".
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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:13 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Where in the world are you landing?: Naxos, The Cyclades

Congratulations for being the first person with a starting location I don't know the location of off the top of my head. :p

A cultist maritime cult-state in the Mediterranean is a fascinating prospect. Off the top of my head that's in the vague range of Sumer, Crimea, and the Imperium, but if I remember correctly none of them are particularly seafaring powers, so if you can play your neighbours off each other and keep control of naval superiority in the Aegean this might actually be quite a viable prospect, even as a fairly isolationist cult.

Alas, the Commonwealth probably won't get to react to this fascinating new state, though. Too far away from our Scandinavian homelands.

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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:20 am

Oh uhh, btw, are we immortals in the RP? The non-aging kind or a mix of that and "Haha you cut off my head I'm still alive bruh".
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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:21 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Oh uhh, btw, are we immortals in the RP? The non-aging kind or a mix of that and "Haha you cut off my head I'm still alive bruh".

Your author does not age, nor is he vulnerable to disease, but he is still affected by physical injury and can be maimed or killed.

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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:26 am

Plzen wrote:
Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Oh uhh, btw, are we immortals in the RP? The non-aging kind or a mix of that and "Haha you cut off my head I'm still alive bruh".

Your author does not age, nor is he vulnerable to disease, but he is still affected by physical injury and can be maimed or killed.

Ah, that rules out "Dude that rips and tears things with axes while having spears in his heart and head."
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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:33 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Ah, that rules out "Dude that rips and tears things with axes while having spears in his heart and head."

I mean, since you know how to make gunpowder and you're going for the weird cult angle anyways, performing some miracles and appealing to people's spirituality would be an effective way of consolidating power.
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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:36 am

Plzen wrote:
Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Ah, that rules out "Dude that rips and tears things with axes while having spears in his heart and head."

I mean, since you know how to make gunpowder and you're going for the weird cult angle anyways, performing some miracles and appealing to people's spirituality would be an effective way of consolidating power.

Breaking News: Man from Naxos invents pike and shot and defeats a massive force with a small one.

"Why didn't we think about gunpowder." - everyone else, probably
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:40 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:
Plzen wrote:Your author does not age, nor is he vulnerable to disease, but he is still affected by physical injury and can be maimed or killed.

Ah, that rules out "Dude that rips and tears things with axes while having spears in his heart and head."


You do get a teensy bit of that from the perspective of limited supernatural regeneration - like if your lad takes a spear to the chest and survives, a year later or so the scar will be gone. That's because of the functional need for immortals to regenerate hearing damage, vision loss, and so on. So, from that perspective, you have more longevity than a common human. Just try not to get too stabbed up all at once.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:43 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Name: Philip Andrada


This all seems to be in order, and so I am happy to accept your application. Welcome to New Civs laddie.
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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:43 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Ah, that rules out "Dude that rips and tears things with axes while having spears in his heart and head."


You do get a teensy bit of that from the perspective of limited supernatural regeneration - like if your lad takes a spear to the chest and survives, a year later or so the scar will be gone. That's because of the functional need for immortals to regenerate hearing damage, vision loss, and so on. So, from that perspective, you have more longevity than a common human. Just try not to get too stabbed up all at once.

Alright, seems resonable.

Also I'm going to be in conflict with UniversalCommons almost off the bat the moment he notices the Cyclades are getting a bit too rowdy.

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Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Name: Philip Andrada


This all seems to be in order, and so I am happy to accept your application. Welcome to New Civs laddie.

Thanks bro very cool
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Postby Endem » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:50 am

Hm, I wonder, if I were to capture one of those raiders, how hard would it be to torture the location of Commonwealth's capital out of him, I want to make a diplomatic visit after the raiders are done.

Also on another note

If from now on Krystyn and Gdansk chief would present themselves during official events in their masks ( yes, they have masks when they need to operate with Czart units ), would wearing of mask become a trend that I would later evolve as a part of my civ's culture.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:52 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Also I'm going to be in conflict with UniversalCommons almost off the bat the moment he notices the Cyclades are getting a bit too rowdy.


That should be very amusing. Universal has been taking a very erratic approach to political cohesion and military organization, so someone building a navy next door will be a definite cat amongst the pigeons.

Endem wrote:Hm, I wonder, if I were to capture one of those raiders, how hard would it be to torture the location of Commonwealth's capital out of him, I want to make a diplomatic visit after the raiders are done.

Also on another note

If from now on Krystyn and Gdansk chief would present themselves during official events in their masks ( yes, they have masks when they need to operate with Czart units ), would wearing of mask become a trend that I would later evolve as a part of my civ's culture.


Functionally, there's no reason why the people of the Baltic coast won't know of Roskilde. You probably already know where the Commonwealth's capitol is.
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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:52 am

Endem wrote:Hm, I wonder, if I were to capture one of those raiders, how hard would it be to torture the location of Commonwealth's capital out of him, I want to make a diplomatic visit after the raiders are done.

Not hard at all. In fact, not necessary; the location of the Commonwealth's administrative capital would not exactly be a closely-guarded secret.

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Postby Endem » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:53 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Also I'm going to be in conflict with UniversalCommons almost off the bat the moment he notices the Cyclades are getting a bit too rowdy.


That should be very amusing. Universal has been taking a very erratic approach to political cohesion and military organization, so someone building a navy next door will be a definite cat amongst the pigeons.

Endem wrote:Hm, I wonder, if I were to capture one of those raiders, how hard would it be to torture the location of Commonwealth's capital out of him, I want to make a diplomatic visit after the raiders are done.

Also on another note

If from now on Krystyn and Gdansk chief would present themselves during official events in their masks ( yes, they have masks when they need to operate with Czart units ), would wearing of mask become a trend that I would later evolve as a part of my civ's culture.


Functionally, there's no reason why the people of the Baltic coast won't know of Roskilde. You probably already know where the Commonwealth's capitol is.


Oh, okay, and what about the mask wearing
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Postby Endem » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:53 am

Plzen wrote:
Endem wrote:Hm, I wonder, if I were to capture one of those raiders, how hard would it be to torture the location of Commonwealth's capital out of him, I want to make a diplomatic visit after the raiders are done.

Not hard at all. In fact, not necessary; the location of the Commonwealth's administrative capital would not exactly be a closely-guarded secret.

Yay, I can make my first diplomatic visit easily! ( also, that means I can take no prisoners from the raiders )
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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:56 am

Endem wrote:Yay, I can make my first diplomatic visit easily! ( also, that means I can take no prisoners from the raiders )

...do you have the necessary military power to properly defeat a band in the first place? Raiders are not going to be sitting around waiting for you to consolidate your army, and the idea is that by the time the target can respond properly they would have already left.

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Postby Endem » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:08 am

Plzen wrote:
Endem wrote:Yay, I can make my first diplomatic visit easily! ( also, that means I can take no prisoners from the raiders )

...do you have the necessary military power to properly defeat a band in the first place? Raiders are not going to be sitting around waiting for you to consolidate your army, and the idea is that by the time the target can respond properly they would have already left.

The thing is, those raiders are trying to act as conquerors and given my civ two weeks to respond to their ultimatum, from info I got from G-Tech they set up a camp near the river ( while not having patrols go riverside ) so, it will be easy enough, what? it's G who gave me this event
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Postby Ralnis » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:14 am

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Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Also I'm going to be in conflict with UniversalCommons almost off the bat the moment he notices the Cyclades are getting a bit too rowdy.


That should be very amusing. Universal has been taking a very erratic approach to political cohesion and military organization, so someone building a navy next door will be a definite cat amongst the pigeons.


Which is strange since I consider their cohesion somewhat better than mine and their military as strong as mine in quality but maybe I'm wrong. All they have fought are the Kurgan and they have copied tech from me where my people had fought several wars in six years and another war right after with Uruk being salty.
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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:19 am

Definitely going to raid his library for sweet knowledge.
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Postby Plzen » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:21 am

Endem wrote:The thing is, those raiders are trying to act as conquerors and given my civ two weeks to respond to their ultimatum, from info I got from G-Tech they set up a camp near the river ( while not having patrols go riverside ) so, it will be easy enough, what? it's G who gave me this event

Oh, that event. I see. Yes, I can see how that might work.

I thought you were talking about Scandinavian raiders.

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Postby Guuj Xaat Kil » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:22 am

Oh btw can our characters drown? I intend on pulling off an Ironborn and drown myself and live.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:25 am

Plzen wrote:First, there's the Bible itself. Consider the very first time in the Old Testament where humans appear in the story: the fable of Eden and of Adam and Eve. What lesson, exactly, was I supposed to take away from this story? That curiosity and knowledge brings sin, that trying to independently reason through your assumptions and decisions is harmful, that you should just trust that those wiser than you intend good and that you should be blindly subservient to an authority you do not understand and are not intended to understand?


Ah, but you see, that's not the message of that part of history at all - and the only reason you came to that conclusion is because you come from a post-Enlightenment society. That isn't the classical conclusion at all; rather, the story of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil illustrates the fundamental principle of credo ut intelligam whereby truth is best assessed through the lenses of reason informed by faith that is the proper position of the mind of the believer. Consider a parallel of, say, a homeowner who purchases a house from a master builder. Not being an expert in electrical wiring, or plumbing, or internal heating, the homeowner is wise to trust, to a certain extent, in the word of the master builder who says that these matters are working, and teaches the homeowner how to operate them. Mistrusting the master builder and attempting to independently probe the existence of the electrical systems, for instance, will likely end with damage to those systems, and potentially even harm to the homeowner.

To a progressive, this sort of mindset and worldview is heretical in the highest order.


Because the 'progressive' misunderstands his own assumptions, and proceeds from a position of double knowledge which is fallacious. Fides quaerens intellectum is the natural position of the Christian when it comes to understanding the natural world, where faith informs reason - but ironically it is also the position of the 'progressive', for he relies on fundamental assumptions he does not understand but trusts are true in order to apply his principles of reason to comprehension of his life. It is natural that faith in what the individual is told precedes comprehension of truth, even as a child must first trust what his parents tell him before he matures and ultimately understands the reason behind the truth they shared.

Further on, you have the chosen people being divinely authorised to commit atrocities, thorough ethnic cleansing of entire nations that would have made Hitler proud. No doubt these stories have been embellished, if they were based on reality in the first place, but I question the intention of anyone who tries to emphasise what a great authority it is that we're serving by highlighting the atrocities they commanded. Christians are supposed to blindly accept this authority?


Ah, and here you fundamentally mistake the difference between 'atrocity' and judgement. I grant you, it isn't an easy path of logic to follow, but I'll try to walk you through it.

Consider a man condemned to death for his crimes by any secular justice system - or, even, say, forty years of imprisonment, if you don't hold with the death penalty where appropriate. This judgement is normally pronounced by a judge, but it is not carried out directly by the judge himself - rather, based on his authority, other members of the judicial system chosen by the judge carry out that punishment in his place. In the same manner, if there is a Divine Judge who has proclaimed a punishment for a crime, does it not behoove him to be allowed to choose others to execute this judgement in his place?

We can certainly argue about whether collective guilt was appropriate for the cultures that the Israelites destroyed - and if the punishment of destruction as a culture was commensurate to the theoretical crimes they committed in the eyes of the Judeo-Christian God, such as sacrificing their children to pagan deities and the like. But, if we proceed from the assumption of justice as a quality a God, if such a God exists, is allowed to execute, then surely using human representatives to execute that will is permissible.

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These, of course, are all points I broadly agree on - that the establishment of hierarchical structures were the most detrimental part of Christianity throughout history. Precisely why Imperial Christianity has none of those structures. I will note, however, that any philosophy, religious or otherwise, which acknowledges the existence of absolute truth, will necessarily come across as reactionary to modern thought. In our 21st lenses of doing whatever is right in our own eyes, where truth is a matter of consensus and, more than that, personal preference, not changing your mind with every flit of opinion is certainly heresy against 'progress'. And that's something I'm perfectly happy continuing in the past.

It seems difficult to argue, from my perspective, that Christianity - at least the form of it that is practiced by most of its adherents - has been dragged kicking and screaming into the information age, and that without the powerful social forces of the industrial and post-industrial eras this contemporary form of Christianity could neither have come to become mainstream, nor stayed that way if it somehow had. I'd compare the institution to the aristocracy of western Europe, which was similarly dragged into the information age by powerful social forces it resisted, albeit unsuccessfully, at every turn. If it is my intention to use the foresight of world history to force the ideals and systems of an industrial society on a nation that is essentially an agrarian one, then Christianity is, just like a landed aristocracy, one of those inherently reactionary institutions that cannot be allowed to establish its influence over the Commonwealth's social and political development.


Hey, if you want to fight against a Christianity that doesn't exist, you do you. I've pointed out that the Christianity of the Imperium is the Christianity of the church in the 3rd century, not the Christianity of the 1400s. If you can't see the difference between those two, that's perfectly. Everyone who isn't Clara, though, will be very confused what she is rambling about when she talks about how Christianity is opposed to the ideas of secular governance and humanism. You're far more likely to be having to cut the pagan tribal religions away from the strings of power than any Christians drifting in from the south.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:25 am

Guuj Xaat Kil wrote:Oh btw can our characters drown? I intend on pulling off an Ironborn and drown myself and live.


Ayerp. You can drown.

Of course, you could always fake a drowning and live.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Fri Dec 13, 2019 9:26 am

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That should be very amusing. Universal has been taking a very erratic approach to political cohesion and military organization, so someone building a navy next door will be a definite cat amongst the pigeons.


Which is strange since I consider their cohesion somewhat better than mine and their military as strong as mine in quality but maybe I'm wrong. All they have fought are the Kurgan and they have copied tech from me where my people had fought several wars in six years and another war right after with Uruk being salty.


Sure - but your army are Sumerian levies, not exactly known for either cohesion or quality :P
TG if you have questions about RP. If I don't know the answer, I know someone who does.

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