New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[UniversalCommons]

Part of this is also standardizing the measurements of the day and every day use. For example, you introduce measures of length, weight, and volume as well as time like the calendar, the drip clock, etc. You also introduce basic concepts like the recipe and formula to make things-- cook food, make paint, etc. . Also standardized tools like hammers, saws, etc.

An accountant does not ask why. They record things. A scholar asks why.

Also, it is more than just than an account. It starts with the basic question why is it this way? The study of nature with a question of why is it this way focused on answers based on reason, and breaking things down, not just looking at things changes the process as well. This is the step away from using myth to describe everything.

There are other things happening as well. Observation of nature is considered a meritorious activity and supported by the community.

This is not science in the modern sense, it is closer to "natural philosophy"

[Bortslovakia]

So how goes the great northern war? Information travels slowly in 3000 BCE don't you know.

[Joohan]

So how goes the great northern war? Information travels slowly in 3000 BCE don't you know.

Diplomacy has hit a few obstacles. A disagreement about property rights, a few ethical claims on behalf of each party, an oft lynching here and there - problems typical of international diplomacy.

We're now transitioning into aggressive negotiations, as soon as G finishes his bit.

[Ralnis]

So how goes the great northern war? Information travels slowly in 3000 BCE don't you know.

Diplomacy has hit a few obstacles. A disagreement about property rights, a few ethical claims on behalf of each party, an oft lynching here and there - problems typical of international diplomacy.

We're now transitioning into aggressive negotiations, as soon as G finishes his bit.

So the Imperium won? As there was any doubt against our overlord would not win in his quest to unite the world under the Anchor.

[Joohan]

Diplomacy has hit a few obstacles. A disagreement about property rights, a few ethical claims on behalf of each party, an oft lynching here and there - problems typical of international diplomacy.

We're now transitioning into aggressive negotiations, as soon as G finishes his bit.

So the Imperium won? As there was any doubt against our overlord would not win in his quest to unite the world under the Anchor.

... No. There hasn't even been a battle. Why would you assume that from what I wrote?

[Ralnis]

So the Imperium won? As there was any doubt against our overlord would not win in his quest to unite the world under the Anchor.

... No. There hasn't even been a battle. Why would you assume that from what I wrote?

It's ok to admit defeat as the Imperium is a good, but stern parent. Here to guide all of this world in the glory of the Lord and his Hegemon.

[Joohan]

... No. There hasn't even been a battle. Why would you assume that from what I wrote?

It's ok to admit defeat as the Imperium is a good, but stern parent. Here to guide all of this world in the glory of the Lord and his Hegemon.

Ralnis I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point or not

[Ralnis]

It's ok to admit defeat as the Imperium is a good, but stern parent. Here to guide all of this world in the glory of the Lord and his Hegemon.

Ralnis I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point or not

I am. Just trying to figure out how this Sumerian situation be handled other than fight Uruk and rebuild plus incentives as the world actually watches for the first time.

[Joohan]

Ralnis I honestly can't tell if you're trolling at this point or not

I am. Just trying to figure out how this Sumerian situation be handled other than fight Uruk and rebuild plus incentives as the world actually watches for the first time.

Paratroopers

[Ralnis]

I am. Just trying to figure out how this Sumerian situation be handled other than fight Uruk and rebuild plus incentives as the world actually watches for the first time.

Paratroopers

I am making a special forces so close enough?

[Joohan]

Paratroopers

I am making a special forces so close enough?

Are they falling out of the sky?

[Ralnis]

I am making a special forces so close enough?

Are they falling out of the sky?

No, my army isn't advanced enough I'm afraid.

[Joohan]

Are they falling out of the sky?

No, my army isn't advanced enough I'm afraid.

Catapults

[Bortslovakia]

No, my army isn't advanced enough I'm afraid.

Catapults

Don't give G any ideas.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Catapults

Don't give G any ideas.

Hot air balloons plus sea-silk parachutes.

[UniversalCommons]

For Uruk. Go after the water supply, incite a rebellion among the slaves, burn their granaries, seize their bronze and iron shipments before they get to the city. I want to do the robbery and arming the outcasts and diverting metal shipments.

Think of economic warfare. Buying up the iron and metal in the surrounding area before it gets turned into weapons and hiring the mercenary companies.

[G-Tech Corporation]

For Uruk. Go after the water supply, incite a rebellion among the slaves, burn their granaries, seize their bronze and iron shipments before they get to the city. I want to do the robbery and arming the outcasts and diverting metal shipments.

Of course, inciting a slave rebellion by promising concessions will probably cause uprisings elsewhere against said concessions...

[UniversalCommons]

For Uruk. Go after the water supply, incite a rebellion among the slaves, burn their granaries, seize their bronze and iron shipments before they get to the city. I want to do the robbery and arming the outcasts and diverting metal shipments.

Of course, inciting a slave rebellion by promising concessions will probably cause uprisings elsewhere against said concessions...

Do it on a purely economic basis. The invention of money creates debt and debt slavery. It becomes possible to buy out people forced into debt and arm them. There would possibly be a large new class of slaves who mismanaged their money or had to flee from servitude. Thus the promise of having your debt removed if you join an army. Many people would have ended up as slaves because of ignorance.

[New Arcadius]

I too find it extremely interesting how people managed to rise huge ass civilizations somehow. That would of taken years to do, but here we are. A huge central European Empire, a huge Irish Empire, a huge Scandinavian Empire... somehow.

And here I am, in Siwa, we're kind of a large Confederation of sort, but we are no way stronger than Egypt right now.

In terms of active civilizations, we're probably the weakest. But with Egyptian tech, that could change.

But I suppose it can also come from the fact that these immortal authors have all the time in the world literally, to teach all of this, as if they have anything better to do. So I suppose it's kinda fair.

But why is G-tech in Sumeria in the first place? How did Rainis' civ get so far over there?

[Bortslovakia]

I too find it extremely interesting how people managed to rise huge ass civilizations somehow. That would of taken years to do, but here we are. A huge central European Empire, a huge Irish Empire, a huge Scandinavian Empire... somehow.

And here I am, in Siwa, we're kind of a large Confederation of sort, but we are no way stronger than Egypt right now.

In terms of active civilizations, we're probably the weakest. But with Egyptian tech, that could change.

But I suppose it can also come from the fact that these immortal authors have all the time in the world literally, to teach all of this, as if they have anything better to do. So I suppose it's kinda fair.

But why is G-tech in Sumeria in the first place? How did Rainis' civ get so far over there?

G isn't in Sumeria. He's nowhere close. His only contact with Sumeria has been through Crimea's mercantile conventions, and expos.

Anyways, Siwa's issue is that it's an Oasis. 90% of the land is unusable. Plus your path of expansion is into the already established Egyptian settlements. I'd hesitate to call Ireland an empire by any stretch of the term, but the land is mostly arable. Meaning more food, and more people. Plus we have no natural blockers beyond the sea itself. The largest settlements in western Europe (not owned by authors) are probably only a few hundred strong, while Egypt has the fertile Nile to support potentially millions.

The Commonwealth hasn't even settled half the land it claims for the record. Since no one lives there, who's going to contest it though? Ireland and the Imperium can't project into Finland, and the tribes already living there are too weak to protest.

Finally the Imperium is following rivers. Though I also think G expands a bit too fast, it's not like he's marching off into the wilderness to do it. Rivers are natural highways.

[Joohan]

I too find it extremely interesting how people managed to rise huge ass civilizations somehow. That would of taken years to do, but here we are. A huge central European Empire, a huge Irish Empire, a huge Scandinavian Empire... somehow.

And here I am, in Siwa, we're kind of a large Confederation of sort, but we are no way stronger than Egypt right now.

In terms of active civilizations, we're probably the weakest. But with Egyptian tech, that could change.

But I suppose it can also come from the fact that these immortal authors have all the time in the world literally, to teach all of this, as if they have anything better to do. So I suppose it's kinda fair.

But why is G-tech in Sumeria in the first place? How did Rainis' civ get so far over there?

I also find a lot of it hard to believe. The idea that these primitive and ignorant people would simply be willing to lend themselves over to our alien ideas of civilization is wholly unrealistic in my opinion ( why i've gone more down the force route ).

Don't take the map at face value though - what you see isn't actual control, it's more like how far our ego stretches. The Imperium, for example, is practically nonexistant beyond the Elbe and it's tributaries. That mass in the middle of Europe isn't what they actually rule, it's just filling in all the hinterlands. Same for the Commonwealth, they're practically non-existant beyond their coast. Hibernia, 90% of the population lives on the East coast - the interior and westernlands are pretty much wild country. Icedonia is pretty consistent about it's realm of control, but we're also the most centralized state in Europe.

As for our populations, those are just the people who fall under our claimed realms. Me and Hibernia, for example, claim like 30,000 people in our realm's apiece. Now, how many of those people are actually loyal to our civilization? Probably not too many. Like wise, we can't really use all those people either - as doubtless there are still huge swaths of the population who have no loyalties or ties to the system's we've created. The map is just posturing, and our IC posts are only a small and isolated glimpse into the world's we've created. This non-sense about colonies and expansion is neither realistic nor stable.

And the Imperium isn't in Sumeria, that's just Ralnis's constant trolling.

[Plzen]

As for our populations, those are just the people who fall under our claimed realms. Me and Hibernia, for example, claim like 30,000 people in our realm's apiece. Now, how many of those people are actually loyal to our civilization? Probably not too many. Like wise, we can't really use all those people either - as doubtless there are still huge swaths of the population who have no loyalties or ties to the system's we've created. The map is just posturing, and our IC posts are only a small and isolated glimpse into the world's we've created. This non-sense about colonies and expansion is neither realistic nor stable.

And the Imperium isn't in Sumeria, that's just Ralnis's constant trolling.

Well, the Commonwealth binds most of its population with pretty strong loyalty. Sure, the Commonwealth has very little real authority in the hinterlands beyond the coasts and the riverways, but said hinterlands are also essentially uninhabited; there isn’t a very large population out of the Commonwealth’s reach.

I’d say maybe 4,000 total nomadic or semi-settled population, split roughly 2:1 between Scandinavia and Finland.

[Ralnis]

For Uruk. Go after the water supply, incite a rebellion among the slaves, burn their granaries, seize their bronze and iron shipments before they get to the city. I want to do the robbery and arming the outcasts and diverting metal shipments.

Of course, inciting a slave rebellion by promising concessions will probably cause uprisings elsewhere against said concessions...

And Sumer's leadership don't need a rebellion on top of a current rebellion. Trust me, buying up merc companies and metal supplies to starve out Uruk and help fuel Ur's rising industrial strength and location with her loyal cities and allies is a strategy that Ur would do more than automatically go for concessions among the slaves without offering the upper strata with the means of replacing them, which would be the hydro-powered industrial revolution.

Either way, finally have made some progress on the post. First part is from the rebel's standpoint to give some exposition as to why they are doing this and make them seem more than just an even threat.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Don't take the map at face value though - what you see isn't actual control, it's more like how far our ego stretches. The Imperium, for example, is practically nonexistant beyond the Elbe and it's tributaries. That mass in the middle of Europe isn't what they actually rule, it's just filling in all the hinterlands.

Oh aye. My own personal map isn't space-filling at all - it would much better be described as a ball-and-stick model of cities and river systems.

[Bortslovakia]

I too find it extremely interesting how people managed to rise huge ass civilizations somehow. That would of taken years to do, but here we are. A huge central European Empire, a huge Irish Empire, a huge Scandinavian Empire... somehow.

And here I am, in Siwa, we're kind of a large Confederation of sort, but we are no way stronger than Egypt right now.

In terms of active civilizations, we're probably the weakest. But with Egyptian tech, that could change.

But I suppose it can also come from the fact that these immortal authors have all the time in the world literally, to teach all of this, as if they have anything better to do. So I suppose it's kinda fair.

But why is G-tech in Sumeria in the first place? How did Rainis' civ get so far over there?

I also find a lot of it hard to believe. The idea that these primitive and ignorant people would simply be willing to lend themselves over to our alien ideas of civilization is wholly unrealistic in my opinion ( why i've gone more down the force route ).

Don't take the map at face value though - what you see isn't actual control, it's more like how far our ego stretches. The Imperium, for example, is practically nonexistant beyond the Elbe and it's tributaries. That mass in the middle of Europe isn't what they actually rule, it's just filling in all the hinterlands. Same for the Commonwealth, they're practically non-existant beyond their coast. Hibernia, 90% of the population lives on the East coast - the interior and westernlands are pretty much wild country. Icedonia is pretty consistent about it's realm of control, but we're also the most centralized state in Europe.

As for our populations, those are just the people who fall under our claimed realms. Me and Hibernia, for example, claim like 30,000 people in our realm's apiece. Now, how many of those people are actually loyal to our civilization? Probably not too many. Like wise, we can't really use all those people either - as doubtless there are still huge swaths of the population who have no loyalties or ties to the system's we've created. The map is just posturing, and our IC posts are only a small and isolated glimpse into the world's we've created. This non-sense about colonies and expansion is neither realistic nor stable.

And the Imperium isn't in Sumeria, that's just Ralnis's constant trolling.

Remember the golden rule: Ignorant, not stupid.

Joining an author civ is not the same as being absorbed into, say, Egypt. Literally everything these people care about are better/more available in our states by orders of magnitude. More food, lower mortality rates, better technology, quality of life improvements, and so on. Being wary of foreigners at first does not, nor has it ever, translated directly into a hatred of all outsiders. Yes individual villages will respond differently to offers of cooperation from us, as local leaders may fear that their power will be diminished. The average person though? There's a reason why I've said that, at the demographic level, the government of Hibernia is immensely popular. The same reason applies for why Icedonia is criticized as being overly harsh. These people may not be educated, but they're smart enough to call out a good deal when they see it.

The rest I agree with though. I plan to give a bit of love to the Irish southern coast in the near future, but suffice to say everything west of Kildare is basically pioneer living. Only 30 people within 10 miles of each other and whatnot. The northern coasts are a bit less sparse, but that's where the majority of raider activity is occurring, so I imagine that speaks volumes about how well the law operates in the region. I'm unsure what you mean by colonies, but assuming you're referring to the various islands you've yet to map for me, outside of Mann (a major naval base), and Anglesey (a trading post), those are all military checkpoints and resupply stations. Brest is the closest you could get to a colony in the traditional sense, and that's more an outpost than anything. If someone were to try and develop colonial administrations, it'd be a disaster.