New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[Endem]

By the way, ICly what happened to the general area of Gdansk 2991 to 2989 B.C.E

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ahh I can't wait for the stream of preachers from everyone else to hit a brick wall in secular Ireland. Completely forgot about my philosophical story thing in all the chaos surrounding first contact.

Philosophy is nothing compared to the might of... HOLY LIGHT...

[Plzen]

Ahh I can't wait for the stream of preachers from everyone else to hit a brick wall in secular Ireland. Completely forgot about my philosophical story thing in all the chaos surrounding first contact.

There is probably a plot arc to be had with intellectuals striving to maintain discourse between our two respective scholarly institutions amidst the violence of the Northern Isles war.

[Alaroma]

What percentage of the Imperium's population is Christian? I suppose that's relevant to me, though we probably have more preachers per capita.

Honestly, impossible to predict. Only the larger urban areas will have seen much in the way of inroads, and that by elite recruitment more than organic growth. It has, after all, only been fifteen years. I wouldn't assume more than 10-20%, very unevenly distributed. Religious conversion is often a matter of critical mass, and how quickly that mass accumulates is pretty difficult to quantify.

Granted, your method of state conversion and punishments for non-believers will probably see quicker 'results'. Viktor's approach to Christianity is profoundly personal, and so won't move with nearly that speed.

Said methods are less important until I convert my own elite and Axum itself. Hence the main question is how much of said population would be Christian.

[Bortslovakia]

Ahh I can't wait for the stream of preachers from everyone else to hit a brick wall in secular Ireland. Completely forgot about my philosophical story thing in all the chaos surrounding first contact.

Philosophy is nothing compared to the might of... HOLY LIGHT...

Yeah yeah, we've got like six thousand local river gods claiming to be the one true creator of the world. Unless you've got more proof than a holy book questionably documenting events that haven't even happened yet, 'Holy Light' can get in line.

Ahh I can't wait for the stream of preachers from everyone else to hit a brick wall in secular Ireland. Completely forgot about my philosophical story thing in all the chaos surrounding first contact.

There is probably a plot arc to be had with intellectuals striving to maintain discourse between our two respective scholarly institutions amidst the violence of the Northern Isles war.

I can see educated Irish field officers literally writing letters to their Norse counterparts mid war. "I know we're slated to be deployed against each other next month, but I had this thought on how regional representation effects a polity at the village level..."

[Hanafuridake]

Since we were on the topic of ships earlier, I'm looking forward to building boats over time and trading with the rest of East Asia. The opportunity to spread the Hana imperial philosophy is ripe since nobody else seems to be a contender in the region. I'm not even sure a lot of locations even have anthropomorphic gods yet, which means a blank slate to start introducing Buddhist imagery and statuettes.

[Endem]

By the way, ICly what happened to the general area of Gdansk 2991 to 2989 B.C.E

[Bortslovakia]

By the way, ICly what happened to the general area of Gdansk 2991 to 2989 B.C.E

Probably just vague contact with the Commonwealth. Think we already went over that though.

[Plzen]

I can see educated Irish field officers literally writing letters to their Norse counterparts mid war. "I know we're slated to be deployed against each other next month, but I had this thought on how regional representation effects a polity at the village level..."

We should all sit down and establish ourselves a Northwest European Postal Union, so that post will both be reliable, not subject to the whims of sailors, and robust, able to maintain itself in wartime.

Perhaps next after tomorrow’s timeskip would be a good time for that. This would also give me an opportunity to set off my crisis year without having you move in on my rocks.

[Endem]

Probably just vague contact with the Commonwealth. Think we already went over that though.

Just needed to know... ( planning on starting a state after the time skip, that's all )

[Nea Byzantia]

So what happened to the other Author in southern Spain...Diego?

I'm just asking, cause we gonna be neighbors.

[Joohan]

Ahh I can't wait for the stream of preachers from everyone else to hit a brick wall in secular Ireland. Completely forgot about my philosophical story thing in all the chaos surrounding first contact.

Ireland and Icedonia have largely the same druidic religion. You're secular, but the common man is still very superstitious. I've hit on this beforr some of my soldiers bringing with them fetishes into battle - and will be conducting some rituals prior to our campaign up the Aerbaker

[Plzen]

Just needed to know... ( planning on starting a state after the time skip, that's all )

Haven’t heard from him in a while.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah yeah, we've got like six thousand local river gods claiming to be the one true creator of the world. Unless you've got more proof than a holy book questionably documenting events that haven't even happened yet, 'Holy Light' can get in line.

Of course, of course. The great religious proof, results.

Though, really, local river gods claiming to be the true creator of the world isn't really how primitive religion works. Up until the OTL Iron Age, there's essentially no record of exclusivity in religions. Your local animists doubtless believe the god of the next river over is an equally valid god, they just pray to their local god because, yknow, he deals with the river they happen to live on.

'tis the great innovation of monotheism and, from an ethno-historical standpoint, the reason monotheism came to rule the religious landscape. Universalism and exclusivity are the great boons of the monotheist added, in this timeline, to concrete wonders.

Just needed to know... ( planning on starting a state after the time skip, that's all )

Haven’t heard from him in a while.

If memory serves, he did post just a few days ago ICly. He just doesn't faff about in the OOC as much as the rest of us.

[Nea Byzantia]

Ahh I can't wait for the stream of preachers from everyone else to hit a brick wall in secular Ireland. Completely forgot about my philosophical story thing in all the chaos surrounding first contact.

Ireland and Icedonia have largely the same druidic religion. You're secular, but the common man is still very superstitious. I've hit on this beforr some of my soldiers bringing with them fetishes into battle - and will be conducting some rituals prior to our campaign up the Aerbaker

Would Icedonia be open to eventually having Irymian missionaries come into their lands?...Obviously, this is going to be after converting most of Spain, North Africa, France, etc.

[Joohan]

I can see educated Irish field officers literally writing letters to their Norse counterparts mid war. "I know we're slated to be deployed against each other next month, but I had this thought on how regional representation effects a polity at the village level..."

We should all sit down and establish ourselves a Northwest European Postal Union, so that post will both be reliable, not subject to the whims of sailors, and robust, able to maintain itself in wartime.

Perhaps next after tomorrow’s timeskip would be a good time for that. This would also give me an opportunity to set off my crisis year without having you move in on my rocks.

Why though? How much mail is there really be exchanged between us all? How many literate people do we have between all of us? I've got like a hundred - and they are all super specialized in just writing about their service tasks. How much mail is really being exchanged beyond borders?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ireland and Icedonia have largely the same druidic religion. You're secular, but the common man is still very superstitious. I've hit on this beforr some of my soldiers bringing with them fetishes into battle - and will be conducting some rituals prior to our campaign up the Aerbaker

Would Icedonia be open to eventually having Irymian missionaries come into their lands?...Obviously, this is going to be after converting most of Spain, North Africa, France, etc.

I'm pretty sure the Icedonians are staunch humanists, subscribing to the Great Man theories of history.

I'm personally counting on infiltration via adjacency to get the martial men of Icedonia to reconsider their warmongering ways.

Why though? How much mail is there really be exchanged between us all? How many literate people do we have between all of us? I've got like a hundred - and they are all super specialized in just writing about their service tasks. How much mail is really being exchanged beyond borders?

Feck all, certainly.

[Nea Byzantia]

We should all sit down and establish ourselves a Northwest European Postal Union, so that post will both be reliable, not subject to the whims of sailors, and robust, able to maintain itself in wartime.

Perhaps next after tomorrow’s timeskip would be a good time for that. This would also give me an opportunity to set off my crisis year without having you move in on my rocks.

Why though? How much mail is there really be exchanged between us all? How many literate people do we have between all of us? I've got like a hundred - and they are all super specialized in just writing about their service tasks. How much mail is really being exchanged beyond borders?

Cool, so Irymia can become the first majorly literate culture...I can't wait.

[Joohan]

Ireland and Icedonia have largely the same druidic religion. You're secular, but the common man is still very superstitious. I've hit on this beforr some of my soldiers bringing with them fetishes into battle - and will be conducting some rituals prior to our campaign up the Aerbaker

Would Icedonia be open to eventually having Irymian missionaries come into their lands?...Obviously, this is going to be after converting most of Spain, North Africa, France, etc.

The eventual and unofficial religion of Icedonia will be the virtue cults - which will have an interesting pantheistic world view. Like, you can be a Christian, but you're still a member of your work shop or founder's own local cult. So like, so long as you they dont interfere with the service, they are free to convert people... but it's gonna be a very Icedonian religion.

[Plzen]

Why though? How much mail is there really be exchanged between us all? How many literate people do we have between all of us? I've got like a hundred - and they are all super specialized in just writing about their service tasks. How much mail is really being exchanged beyond borders?

Perhaps later down the line, then.

[Joohan]

Why though? How much mail is there really be exchanged between us all? How many literate people do we have between all of us? I've got like a hundred - and they are all super specialized in just writing about their service tasks. How much mail is really being exchanged beyond borders?

Perhaps later down the line, then.

We shall see. Ideally, I'd like to see the impending war for the Orkney's avoided. We could all do much better working together than against one another.

But, you know, Army could always use more experience...

[Nea Byzantia]

Would Icedonia be open to eventually having Irymian missionaries come into their lands?...Obviously, this is going to be after converting most of Spain, North Africa, France, etc.

The eventual and unofficial religion of Icedonia will be the virtue cults - which will have an interesting pantheistic world view. Like, you can be a Christian, but you're still a member of your work shop or founder's own local cult. So like, so long as you they dont interfere with the service, they are free to convert people... but it's gonna be a very Icedonian religion.

Well, the model I'm going to be going for is sort like Monastery-colonies; so a group of monks will found a monastery, evangelize, etc, and a community will gradually form around the Monastery which will become its own centre of Irymian language and culture; and it will spread Civilization. Think of like what the Benedictines did in Dark Ages Europe, only these would be communities that would eventually grow into city-states, etc, all tied back to the Headquarters in Irymia. Technically, its going to be more religious than political; but in reality, Irymia will become a political force in that sense; sort of like how the Church did IRL.

[Hanafuridake]

I've been working on fleshing out the caste system of the Hana Empire. The names derive from the Tokugawa period but the structure isn't the complete same since, with exceptions of primitive settlements and cities, there is no feudalism. Some small tribes who are part of the Empire don't follow the system.

Imperial Family (at the moment, just Grace and Ruyanpe)
Kuge (scholars, governors)
Bushi (warriors)
Nō (farmers)
Chōnin (artisans, merchants, urban dwellers)
Outcastes and slaves who perform manual labor

[Plzen]

We shall see. Ideally, I'd like to see the impending war for the Orkney's avoided. We could all do much better working together than against one another.

Neither side wants to back down, so there's really only one way to resolve this. The Commonwealth cannot let go of the Northern Isles.

Frankly, I want it a lot more than I wanted the land we just lost to the Imperium. Even if we end up losing the upcoming war over the Northern Isles we'll simply prepare for a second one.

[G-Tech Corporation]

We shall see. Ideally, I'd like to see the impending war for the Orkney's avoided. We could all do much better working together than against one another.

Neither side wants to back down, so there's really only one way to resolve this. The Commonwealth cannot let go of the Northern Isles.

Frankly, I want it a lot more than I wanted the land we just lost to the Imperium. Even if we end up losing the upcoming war over the Northern Isles we'll simply prepare for a second one.

To be fair, the Orkneys are a jumping off point to Iceland, which is some legit good kush. Holstein is a jumping off point for... the Germanic interior?

Strategically speaking, I would value those rocks for their virtues of the Iceland-Greenland-America route a hundred times over bits of southern Denmark.