New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

[Alaroma]

Many thanks, also are there any good tips on how to progress and expand?

Also what depths has Isaac sunk to?

Extermination of the entire male populace of a given tribe or settlement, and the forced marriages of the defeated female population to the soldiery is a common practice within the Icedonian Army.

Aside from that though, he's rather reserved in temperament and cordial to his own people.

I'm not sure favoring your own people says much unfortunately. This is the ancient era unfortunately tho.

[Ralnis]

Seems I do, a mongol empire in Persia vs the Sumerian greed machine that swallowed up Elam. Might have to go pacify some horse lords if they pose a giant problem in my Persian markets and trade.

Don't worry, I'll allow your cities to keep their wealth, so long as they bend the knee; and since I can't kill you, it'd be good to have a pet I for the rest of my immortal life

You mean in an alternate reality where you won? Because in this one would have me cross the Zagros and call in Indus to smash some hordes that threaten overland trade. Hell, I could also just disrupt any sort of political power structure that's rising up in the northern Iranian plains. Throw enough dissents into civil war and spread some good praporaganda to keep the war going from their Sumerian support and I could make your idea shatter underneath your feet.

[Aueroth]

Don't worry, I'll allow your cities to keep their wealth, so long as they bend the knee; and since I can't kill you, it'd be good to have a pet I for the rest of my immortal life

You mean in an alternate reality where you won? Because in this one would have me cross the Zagros and call in Indus to smash some hordes that threaten overland trade. Hell, I could also just disrupt any sort of political power structure that's rising up in the northern Iranian plains. Throw enough dissents into civil war and spread some good propaganda to keep the war going from their Sumerian support and I could make your idea shatter underneath your feet.

Well, I'm not saying their needs to be war, but we could reach an agreement I'm sure; I could always use what you're selling, and you'd be missing out on a valuable trading opportunity. I don't want to have to cross the Tigris. It would be foolish to lock blades with an established power, especially so early on

[Alaroma]

Ahhhhh, troubles in the Middle East. Somethings really don’t change.

That aside, I’m going to assume it’s not it crazy to think stone spears/arrows will do jack shit to Bronze armor, right?

[Aueroth]

I imagine not, unless said spears can find their way between a joint or gap in the plating.

On another note, how long does it take to establish a civilization?

[Alaroma]

I imagine not, unless said spears can find their way between a joint or gap in the plating.

On another note, how long does it take to establish a civilization?

From what I’ve noticed, 15 years seems to be fine time for the setting up of a regional power.

[Ralnis]

You mean in an alternate reality where you won? Because in this one would have me cross the Zagros and call in Indus to smash some hordes that threaten overland trade. Hell, I could also just disrupt any sort of political power structure that's rising up in the northern Iranian plains. Throw enough dissents into civil war and spread some good propaganda to keep the war going from their Sumerian support and I could make your idea shatter underneath your feet.

Well, I'm not saying their needs to be war, but we could reach an agreement I'm sure; I could always use what you're selling, and you'd be missing out on a valuable trading opportunity. I don't want to have to cross the Tigris. It would be foolish to lock blades with an established power, especially so early on

Actually not really in some variance. Most of Persia's resources on in Elam and the southern part of the country, where I'm near to. You would have resources, but not in the vast quantities that I can use to fuel the expansion of the Sumerian greed machine. However going to war with you would disrupt overland trading between Sumer and Indus, which is already a heavily invested interest since they give us access to northern India in trade posts where some are barely being constructed in the coasts. This I hope to start to remedy once I'm done with the big campagins trying to eat half of Iraq.

So we will do peace, at least until you try to go against Sumerian interest in the area then I'll have to start putting some flex on the Mongol Persians to stop that or I'll have to do something about it. Can bring Indus in this as they to rely on the overland trade with me in some large form. Would make me develop a much more advance navy, true sailing ships to keep things cheap on my end.

[Aueroth]

Hmmmm, seems fair, how long does it take for a year to pass in IRL time?

[Aueroth]

Well, I'm not saying their needs to be war, but we could reach an agreement I'm sure; I could always use what you're selling, and you'd be missing out on a valuable trading opportunity. I don't want to have to cross the Tigris. It would be foolish to lock blades with an established power, especially so early on

Actually not really in some variance. Most of Persia's resources on in Elam and the southern part of the country, where I'm near to. You would have resources, but not in the vast quantities that I can use to fuel the expansion of the Sumerian greed machine. However going to war with you would disrupt overland trading between Sumer and Indus, which is already a heavily invested interest since they give us access to northern India in trade posts where some are barely being constructed in the coasts. This I hope to start to remedy once I'm done with the big campagins trying to eat half of Iraq.

So we will do peace, at least until you try to go against Sumerian interest in the area then I'll have to start putting some flex on the Mongol Persians to stop that or I'll have to do something about it. Can bring Indus in this as they to rely on the overland trade with me in some large form. Would make me develop a much more advance navy, true sailing ships to keep things cheap on my end.

can promise nothing, and I would choose to respect and profit from this trade route, but ultimately once I start expanding much of it will fall under my protection. I have no interest in cutting the trade between Sumeria and Indus is half. But if you try to meddle in the affairs of my civilization, then we will have war, and war is bad for business.

[Ralnis]

Actually not really in some variance. Most of Persia's resources on in Elam and the southern part of the country, where I'm near to. You would have resources, but not in the vast quantities that I can use to fuel the expansion of the Sumerian greed machine. However going to war with you would disrupt overland trading between Sumer and Indus, which is already a heavily invested interest since they give us access to northern India in trade posts where some are barely being constructed in the coasts. This I hope to start to remedy once I'm done with the big campagins trying to eat half of Iraq.

So we will do peace, at least until you try to go against Sumerian interest in the area then I'll have to start putting some flex on the Mongol Persians to stop that or I'll have to do something about it. Can bring Indus in this as they to rely on the overland trade with me in some large form. Would make me develop a much more advance navy, true sailing ships to keep things cheap on my end.

can promise nothing, and I would choose to respect and profit from this trade route, but ultimately once I start expanding much of it will fall under my protection. I have no interest in cutting the trade between Sumeria and Indus is half. But if you try to meddle in the affairs of my civilization, then we will have war, and war is bad for business.

Sure war is bad for business, but having an expansionist militaristic power of Horse Lords that may cause blows of Sumerian interests in Iran is even worse business than war. Your affairs are to grow large and expand with your Mongol culture to become the premier power in Iran? Fine, you will have it somewhat easier since Iran still have nomadic tribes that live off of trade that comes between Sumer and the rest of Mesopotamia and some even developed some city-states I would believe. But thinking about marching on the Zagros and I will march on your empire with no quarter as the last thing I do.

I rather we do trade, trade builds everyone but I will put people to the sword if my interests are threatened.

[Aueroth]

can promise nothing, and I would choose to respect and profit from this trade route, but ultimately once I start expanding much of it will fall under my protection. I have no interest in cutting the trade between Sumeria and Indus is half. But if you try to meddle in the affairs of my civilization, then we will have war, and war is bad for business.

Sure war is bad for business, but having an expansionist militaristic power of Horse Lords that may cause blows of Sumerian interests in Iran is even worse business than war. Your affairs are to grow large and expand with your Mongol culture to become the premier power in Iran? Fine, you will have it somewhat easier since Iran still have nomadic tribes that live off of trade that comes between Sumer and the rest of Mesopotamia and some even developed some city-states I would believe. But thinking about marching on the Zagros and I will march on your empire with no quarter as the last thing I do.

I rather we do trade, trade builds everyone but I will put people to the sword if my interests are threatened.

Then we have an agreement, I will expand so long as it does not interfere with you, and in return, I'm allowed to trade freely along the trade routes you made.

Also, you know what I bring to the table in terms of military, what kind of army do you have? Conscripts and spear-men? Maybe even chariots? I should think of adopting chariots eventually, that'd be cool

[Bortslovakia]

Hmmmm, seems fair, how long does it take for a year to pass in IRL time?

There's no official timetable. Usually new posters start by documenting what they're doing daily. By post three or four, you can probably start doing weeks or months. OP will periodically announce timeskips of 5ish years, bringing everyone back to the same date roughly, but you shouldn't be doing year long jumps on your own. As an example, Plzen and G are kind of in a bad spot, since they're a year ahead of Joohan and I with their war. It means any interactions we have with them are out of sync.

[UniversalCommons]

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[UniversalCommons]

Ralnis can we get back to trade. I am hoping we can work on iron. There are a few things I am hoping to do.

[Ralnis]

Ralnis can we get back to trade. I am hoping we can work on iron. There are a few things I am hoping to do.

I thought we were? That's why I sent the whole peace envoy to try and smooth things over. And, while I do have access to Elam's stone and iron, I don't know how to work it so I'm hoping to send some people and Luther in secret to come learn with Egypt and Oak to try and figure this out.

Sure war is bad for business, but having an expansionist militaristic power of Horse Lords that may cause blows of Sumerian interests in Iran is even worse business than war. Your affairs are to grow large and expand with your Mongol culture to become the premier power in Iran? Fine, you will have it somewhat easier since Iran still have nomadic tribes that live off of trade that comes between Sumer and the rest of Mesopotamia and some even developed some city-states I would believe. But thinking about marching on the Zagros and I will march on your empire with no quarter as the last thing I do.

I rather we do trade, trade builds everyone but I will put people to the sword if my interests are threatened.

Then we have an agreement, I will expand so long as it does not interfere with you, and in return, I'm allowed to trade freely along the trade routes you made.

Also, you know what I bring to the table in terms of military, what kind of army do you have? Conscripts and spear-men? Maybe even chariots? I should think of adopting chariots eventually, that'd be cool

The backbone is still conscripts and spearmen, chariots up to horses and onagers are of use. We have gone to two wheels as the majority of the cavalry but we also have actual horsemen in the form of the Kurgan, a real-life culture that had been messed with by another trade partner called Nesto on accident and nearly caused them to fall. I'm using my large trade influence to bring them over to settle as a vassal horde on call in case I need experience riders. Plus they brought me superior breeds of horses I'm currently breeding for my own cavalry.

[Alaroma]

Ralnis can we get back to trade. I am hoping we can work on iron. There are a few things I am hoping to do.

Tbh I’d liked to discus Iron making too, considering it would probably be ideal for your people to come trade in the case of a 15 year jump. We’d probably be messing around with Arsenic Bronze by that point, Andrew pushing to get to Iron and be rid of Arsenic Bronze.

[Ralnis]

Ralnis can we get back to trade. I am hoping we can work on iron. There are a few things I am hoping to do.

Tbh I’d liked to discus Iron making too, considering it would probably be ideal for your people to come trade in the case of a 15 year jump. We’d probably be messing around with Arsenic Bronze by that point, Andrew pushing to get to Iron and be rid of Arsenic Bronze.

You should be seeing some Sumerian galleys from the Red Sea in my post. Whenever I finish it.

[Alaroma]

Tbh I’d liked to discus Iron making too, considering it would probably be ideal for your people to come trade in the case of a 15 year jump. We’d probably be messing around with Arsenic Bronze by that point, Andrew pushing to get to Iron and be rid of Arsenic Bronze.

You should be seeing some Sumerian galleys from the Red Sea in my post. Whenever I finish it.

I don’t have access to the sea, I at best am aware through talk from traders. It might cause interest to Andrew, but he’s got things to do.

[Ralnis]

You should be seeing some Sumerian galleys from the Red Sea in my post. Whenever I finish it.

I don’t have access to the sea, I at best am aware through talk from traders. It might cause interest to Andrew, but he’s got things to do.

You should, Aksum is a region bordering the Red Sea and would have most of its population on coastal settlements maybe? At least I would say that the Sumerians have had some interactions with Aksumite settlements in short trades to the Sinai and Egypt.

[Aueroth]

Ralnis can we get back to trade. I am hoping we can work on iron. There are a few things I am hoping to do.

I thought we were? That's why I sent the whole peace envoy to try and smooth things over. And, while I do have access to Elam's stone and iron, I don't know how to work it so I'm hoping to send some people and Luther in secret to come learn with Egypt and Oak to try and figure this out.

Then we have an agreement, I will expand so long as it does not interfere with you, and in return, I'm allowed to trade freely along the trade routes you made.

Also, you know what I bring to the table in terms of military, what kind of army do you have? Conscripts and spear-men? Maybe even chariots? I should think of adopting chariots eventually, that'd be cool

The backbone is still conscripts and spearmen, chariots up to horses and onagers are of use. We have gone to two wheels as the majority of the cavalry but we also have actual horsemen in the form of the Kurgan, a real-life culture that had been messed with by another trade partner called Nesto on accident and nearly caused them to fall. I'm using my large trade influence to bring them over to settle as a vassal horde on call in case I need experience riders. Plus they brought me superior breeds of horses I'm currently breeding for my own cavalry.

A wise move, I think I'll settle for the 'ol Divide Et Impera, start with the weakest rival tribes and work my up, annihilating any who refuse to join. The biggest challenge, just like the real Mongols, will be with siege engines

[Alaroma]

I don’t have access to the sea, I at best am aware through talk from traders. It might cause interest to Andrew, but he’s got things to do.

You should, Aksum is a region bordering the Red Sea and would have most of its population on coastal settlements maybe? At least I would say that the Sumerians have had some interactions with Aksumite settlements in short trades to the Sinai and Egypt.

Aksum is closer to a river and lake than the sea. It’s got settlements all around it, and is 15 days away from the sea. When Axum unifies the tribe, that’ll be different. The Tigrayans border the sea, but that doesn’t mean Axum borders the sea. You’d have to go 15 days inland to find me.

[Ralnis]

I thought we were? That's why I sent the whole peace envoy to try and smooth things over. And, while I do have access to Elam's stone and iron, I don't know how to work it so I'm hoping to send some people and Luther in secret to come learn with Egypt and Oak to try and figure this out.



The backbone is still conscripts and spearmen, chariots up to horses and onagers are of use. We have gone to two wheels as the majority of the cavalry but we also have actual horsemen in the form of the Kurgan, a real-life culture that had been messed with by another trade partner called Nesto on accident and nearly caused them to fall. I'm using my large trade influence to bring them over to settle as a vassal horde on call in case I need experience riders. Plus they brought me superior breeds of horses I'm currently breeding for my own cavalry.

A wise move, I think I'll settle for the 'ol Divide Et Impera, start with the weakest rival tribes and work my up, annihilating any who refuse to join. The biggest challenge, just like the real Mongols, will be with siege engines

We do have siege engines as well, forged antiquity level stuff not to long ago in unifying Sumer. Even starting to get crossbows in the way but that's taking some time and have gotten my hands on knowing how to make traction trebuchets but I'm not focused on war now. I'm spearheading massive industrial projects across Southern Mesopotamia and in Aratta(north of Elam) with water power in three rivers. It will take me years before me conquering Elam and years after before I can turn my attentions elsewhere. Should still be doable during the timeskip, if there's a timeskip.

You should, Aksum is a region bordering the Red Sea and would have most of its population on coastal settlements maybe? At least I would say that the Sumerians have had some interactions with Aksumite settlements in short trades to the Sinai and Egypt.

Aksum is closer to a river and lake than the sea. It’s got settlements all around it, and is 15 days away from the sea. When Axum unifies the tribe, that’ll be different. The Tigrayans border the sea, but that doesn’t mean Axum borders the sea. You’d have to go 15 days inland to find me.

Then I guess I shall be doing business with the Tigaryans till you conquer them.

[Arlye Austros]

Just in case any1 wonders, I am still in and around. jusy waiting for people to hit the 19 years mark, as I jumped too far into time in two posts.

[Alaroma]

How long are these wars gonna last?

[Cainesland]

With regards to transporting farm animals, do you think it is doable to put animals in a boat or cart for long distance (1-2 weeks away+) trade?