NATION

PASSWORD

New Civilizations ( OOC, Always Open, Reboot )

For all of your non-NationStates related roleplaying needs!

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Bortslovakia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1274
Founded: Oct 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bortslovakia » Wed May 15, 2019 12:38 pm

Mushroomio wrote:
Bortslovakia wrote:
The issue I see with it is how hot it gets in the Sinai. 33 pounds isn't much today, but the recommended weight for a hiking pack is 20% of body weight. IE someone 100 pounds should have a pack that weighs 20 pounds optimally for long distance travel, and 30 for 150 pounds. Since there's been no mention of a baggage train (which presents issues in of itself) I can only assume that the average soldier has their own supplies on hand (even with a supply caravan, I imagine most soldiers would have waterskins, some dried jerky or something, and a few helpful tools). Malnutrition means they likely wouldn't weigh nearly as much as modern day, since even with John's likely improvements to the food situation, the Sinai isn't the most fertile of regions. It is one of the colder parts of the Levant/Egypt due to high altitude, but the lowest it ever reaches is single digits in the dead of night during winter in specific parts of the peninsula. In short, on average it's real flat and it's real hot. Cement, to my knowledge, also serves as a good form of insulation compared to other construction materials. Combine that with the fact that wearing concrete armor without some form of padding would be hell, and you have some really bulked up soldiers. So you have overloaded soldiers marching through a flat desert at worst (plain at best), in armor that acts as a fairly good insulator. Assuming for supplies, that would put the weight closer to 40 a person (they probably aren't bringing much with them I'll concede). At the very least those soldiers are guaranteed to be exhausted, and likely would be going through water at an insane rate.


That makes sense, I'll make sure I address this in my next post


Not trying to be a dick by the way! Reading that post over, I feel like I was being a bit arrogant

User avatar
G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63930
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed May 15, 2019 12:50 pm

https://imgur.com/my4KC09

She do be the rough location of cities with leaders who are part of the Imperium. Minor settlements not included, of course.
Quite the unofficial fellow. Former P2TM Mentor specializing in faction and nation RPs, as well as RPGs. Always happy to help.

User avatar
G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63930
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed May 15, 2019 1:26 pm

Ooh a palace coup. How exciting.
Quite the unofficial fellow. Former P2TM Mentor specializing in faction and nation RPs, as well as RPGs. Always happy to help.

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Wed May 15, 2019 3:26 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:How long should it realistically take to domesticate horses?


it would definitely be easier to literally go to central asia and get some
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Wed May 15, 2019 3:30 pm

Joohan wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:How long should it realistically take to domesticate horses?


It depends. You could train a horse to be docile from a very young age, and it could be fully capable of work and other labor by the time it reaches a year old ( bearing in mind that most horse breeds were smaller during this period of history ).

But that is an individual animal. In order to have a proper stock of horses to disperse among your populace, you would need perhaps no less than 100 specimen, each being separated from each other by at least 4 generations - to insure no issues with inbreeding.

You'll likely need to supplant your own stallions with captured fowls for a couple of generations - it's what i'm doing out west.

Edit: in terms of your civ getting horses on a permanent basis, i'd give it about 20-30 years.


I disagree, these are wild horses, not feral ones descended from domesticated horses. I mean in theory 30 years could produce a docile horse, but it wouldn't be nearly as useful. Horses have been ridden since at least 3500 BCE, and were utilized by humans before that, imo unless you're like, in South Africa or SE Asia or some other place that's suuuper far away from the Great Steppe, transporting horses would likely be easier than domesticating them again.
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Hanafuridake
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5532
Founded: Sep 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hanafuridake » Wed May 15, 2019 7:16 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Ooh a palace coup. How exciting.


They're going to make a Caesar salad.
Last edited by Hanafuridake on Wed May 15, 2019 7:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password

User avatar
Ralnis
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 28558
Founded: Aug 06, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Ralnis » Wed May 15, 2019 7:21 pm

I might try to start hiring tribal and Sumerian mercs to start throwing my kingship of the city-state.
This account must be deleted. The person behind it is a racist, annoying waste of life that must be shunned back to whatever rock he crawled out from.

User avatar
G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63930
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu May 16, 2019 4:06 am

Hmm. Universal? I’m not familiar with the history of domestication of many of the plants you’ve listed, but I am reasonably certain Cotton is unknown out of the Caucasus in this period.
Quite the unofficial fellow. Former P2TM Mentor specializing in faction and nation RPs, as well as RPGs. Always happy to help.

User avatar
Plzen
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9805
Founded: Mar 19, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Plzen » Thu May 16, 2019 4:49 am

Post is up! If G-Tech feels like interacting, the time is now. :)

User avatar
G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63930
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu May 16, 2019 5:04 am

Plzen wrote:Post is up! If G-Tech feels like interacting, the time is now. :)


Excellent... minimal military guard... a few violations of tariffs... very good, very good
Quite the unofficial fellow. Former P2TM Mentor specializing in faction and nation RPs, as well as RPGs. Always happy to help.

User avatar
Plzen
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 9805
Founded: Mar 19, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Plzen » Thu May 16, 2019 5:05 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Plzen wrote:Post is up! If G-Tech feels like interacting, the time is now. :)


Excellent... minimal military guard... a few violations of tariffs... very good, very good

Free trade is fair trade! >:(

Something something autocratic tyranny something something foundation of a free nation.

User avatar
G-Tech Corporation
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 63930
Founded: Feb 03, 2010
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu May 16, 2019 5:08 am

Plzen wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Excellent... minimal military guard... a few violations of tariffs... very good, very good

Free trade is fair trade! >:(

Something something autocratic tyranny something something foundation of a free nation.


Quite right, quite right. Autocratic tyranny is, indeed, the foundation of a free and prosperous nation.
Quite the unofficial fellow. Former P2TM Mentor specializing in faction and nation RPs, as well as RPGs. Always happy to help.

User avatar
UniversalCommons
Senator
 
Posts: 4792
Founded: Jan 24, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby UniversalCommons » Thu May 16, 2019 6:42 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Hmm. Universal? I’m not familiar with the history of domestication of many of the plants you’ve listed, but I am reasonably certain Cotton is unknown out of the Caucasus in this period.


Yes, you are right. Cotton would have come from Egypt or Pakistan in 3000 b.c. Trading for cotton would probably be near Thebes or Egypt.
https://www.cotton.org/pubs/cottoncounts/story/

User avatar
Hanafuridake
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5532
Founded: Sep 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hanafuridake » Thu May 16, 2019 8:48 am

Short post, but I wanted an excuse to introduce a new character who's going to play a major role.

At the moment, Grace uses Buddhism as a means for her to run the state. She's not prepared for it taking on a life of its own.
Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password

User avatar
Bortslovakia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1274
Founded: Oct 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bortslovakia » Thu May 16, 2019 8:58 am

Hanafuridake wrote:Short post, but I wanted an excuse to introduce a new character who's going to play a major role.

At the moment, Grace uses Buddhism as a means for her to run the state. She's not prepared for it taking on a life of its own.


Ahhh sweet validation of Pat's decision not to use religion to unify his state

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Thu May 16, 2019 5:03 pm

Phew, finally got another post out.

Alright, I'm done doing the whole "months in one post" dealio, now that I'm set.

Time for some adventure! I wonder how many years it would take to gather a crop package, three, I'm thinking, if I'm going to other continents. Luckily there are lots of convenient rivers.
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Thu May 16, 2019 5:03 pm

ooou got a good idea for a New Civ meme lol
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Thu May 16, 2019 8:09 pm

Image
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Hanafuridake
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5532
Founded: Sep 09, 2018
Ex-Nation

Postby Hanafuridake » Thu May 16, 2019 8:12 pm

Reatra wrote:(Image)


Image
Nation name in proper language: 花降岳|पुष्पद्वीप
Theravada Buddhist
李贽 wrote:There is nothing difficult about becoming a sage, and nothing false about transcending the world of appearances.
Suriyanakhon's alt, finally found my old account's password

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Thu May 16, 2019 8:15 pm

Hanafuridake wrote:
Reatra wrote:(Image)


Image


hey don't worry, once I finally after years of work get a fully fleshed out crop package yall will be saying that to me too lmfao
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Thu May 16, 2019 8:51 pm

Image
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
Bortslovakia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1274
Founded: Oct 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Bortslovakia » Thu May 16, 2019 10:07 pm

Reatra wrote:
Hanafuridake wrote:


hey don't worry, once I finally after years of work get a fully fleshed out crop package yall will be saying that to me too lmfao


Honestly being hyper focused on one thing just seems like a recipe for failure to me. A diversified diet with acceptable production at each level of the food chain staves off starvation, and should ensure at least decent levels of nutritional intake. Just having a lot of food isn't going to immediately translate to having a complex society capable of political organization, material production, or technological advancement.
Last edited by Bortslovakia on Thu May 16, 2019 10:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Thu May 16, 2019 10:37 pm

Bortslovakia wrote:
Reatra wrote:
hey don't worry, once I finally after years of work get a fully fleshed out crop package yall will be saying that to me too lmfao


Honestly being hyper focused on one thing just seems like a recipe for failure to me. A diversified diet with acceptable production at each level of the food chain staves off starvation, and should ensure at least decent levels of nutritional intake. Just having a lot of food isn't going to immediately translate to having a complex society capable of political organization, material production, or technological advancement.


who's hyperfocused? I highly doubt even Old Kingdom Egypt, with a million people packed into a few miles around the Nile, could support an industrial civilization even with the technology to do so. There simply wouldnt be enough minds and enough muscle around.

And actually, having a lot of food is kinda instrumental to the development of political organizations. Whether that be high intensity hunting and gathering like in prehistoric Pacific Northwest and Florida, or agriculture, or aquaculture, etcetera, it all requires a rather massive surplus of food compared to most of human history. You're right that it doesn't immediately translate, but it's kinda a necessary first step.


There are many crops from the Americas who's calories per area and per hour of labor far outclass most Old World domesticates. That's important. Less people/less time involved in producing more food means more people/more time for doing other things.


You can make all the steel, steam engines, gunpowder, whatever, you want, but if 80% of the population is still dedicating the vast majority of their lives to supporting the basic needs of the rest of society, there are so many thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of people who will likely live and die without contributing their creativity and minds to a different section of society.
yee haw it's time for mass line

User avatar
The Isle of The Webb
Attaché
 
Posts: 80
Founded: Oct 16, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The Isle of The Webb » Thu May 16, 2019 10:40 pm

Post finally up. Way to long to type that up. Any feedback would be great thanks. That was like three posts merged into one.
Last edited by The Isle of The Webb on Thu May 16, 2019 10:42 pm, edited 1 time in total.
GENERATION 33: The first time you see this, copy it into your signature on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment

User avatar
Reatra
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 16474
Founded: Sep 02, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Reatra » Fri May 17, 2019 1:00 am

Nice that we're immortal, means I can have somewhat more long-term plans about plant breeding ahaha

Applying modern breeding techniques (altho missing technology is an issue, but the theory is very useful) should be kind of incredibly productive.
yee haw it's time for mass line

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to Portal to the Multiverse

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Cybernetic Socialist Republics, Finland SSR, Redistanio

Advertisement

Remove ads