Of Iron and Fire (Ancient/City-State/Fantasy, OOC, OPEN)

[Skarten]

Well, understand my position here, it's not about warfare, but about the army as a whole that affects everything.

Greek Armies are usually of the Citizen Type, with allies and maybe slaves or conscripts and mercenaries depending where you are from.

But understand, when you are an ancient city state, internal diplomacy is not that big. More often than not, people within your nation holding power will be trustworthy purely out of tradition and religion, an example being the Roman Tribune of the Plebs until you know who. Essentially, when you don't govern too much land, you, the leader, are able to solve more of the problems personally, meaning that you won't have too much problems with the usual corrupt governors from god knows where who essentially rule as kings of their own.

The point that i'm trying to get across is that this means that unless you're doing stuff like developing your city-state or continuing a storyline that you've created yourself, most of the RP would be politics with other city-states, correct? Well, an big part of international politics at this time is, of course, big stick policy. Without an army and or navy to impose your interests, the only way you'll be able to interact with the others in an even level would be if you had monopoly over an incredibly rare and needed resource. For example, silk, or spices, or ivory, you know what i mean.

What i'm trying to say is that the Greek army does not fit my play style. Thus, i wouldn't be able to do as well as my ability allows me to when being of such societal style.

Good RPs are about collaborative, not competitive, writing. Your ability to do well is based on your ability to tell a compelling story, not your ability to make your city-state more wealthy or powerful.

That's not exactly what i meant.

The obvious path any nation attempts to travel is the one of power. Realistically, every single nation on earth has attempted to become more powerful. It's how it works. My point here is that due to how greek societies, their warfare and international politics work, i would not be able to RP as well as i possibly could, at least not as one of them. I can, of course, RP With other Greek city states perfectly, but i would not be able to do it as well as i could when i'm one of them myself.


TL;DR I just don't like phalanxes, and i have ideas, so i asked the OP if i could possibly tell them and see if it was fine with him for me to do my own idea instead of being purely Telenian.

[Reverend Norv]

Good RPs are about collaborative, not competitive, writing. Your ability to do well is based on your ability to tell a compelling story, not your ability to make your city-state more wealthy or powerful.

That's not exactly what i meant.

The obvious path any nation attempts to travel is the one of power. Realistically, every single nation on earth has attempted to become more powerful. It's how it works. My point here is that due to how greek societies, their warfare and international politics work, i would not be able to RP as well as i possibly could, at least not as one of them. I can, of course, RP With other Greek city states perfectly, but i would not be able to do it as well as i could when i'm one of them myself.


TL;DR I just don't like phalanxes, and i have ideas, so i asked the OP if i could possibly tell them and see if it was fine with him for me to do my own idea instead of being purely Telenian.

You wouldn't be able to gain as much power as you otherwise could. That's not the same as RPing as well as you possibly could. This is not a competition, and there are no winners. I've made my position clear as co-OP. Unless Tasuirin overrules me, you have your answer.

[Skarten]

That's not exactly what i meant.

The obvious path any nation attempts to travel is the one of power. Realistically, every single nation on earth has attempted to become more powerful. It's how it works. My point here is that due to how greek societies, their warfare and international politics work, i would not be able to RP as well as i possibly could, at least not as one of them. I can, of course, RP With other Greek city states perfectly, but i would not be able to do it as well as i could when i'm one of them myself.


TL;DR I just don't like phalanxes, and i have ideas, so i asked the OP if i could possibly tell them and see if it was fine with him for me to do my own idea instead of being purely Telenian.

You wouldn't be able to gain as much power as you otherwise could. That's not the same as RPing as well as you possibly could. This is not a competition, and there are no winners. I've made my position clear as co-OP. Unless Tasuirin overrules me, you have your answer.

Maybe i'm not explaining myself correctly, but this isn't about power, you know what i mean? It's about the fact that i'm simply not good at playing as a Greek state. From past experiences, i just can't seem to write it as well. Here's the thing. I know the RP is not just about war, it's about your nation overall. But at some point, i am going to have to go into warfare, am i not? And when that happens, i'm probably not going to be able to write it as well as i could because i'm not good at writing Greek combat, be it because i'm not a fan of phalanxes or because i just can't seem to do it. Because of that, i'm looking ahead, and simply asking the host if i could tell an idea that i have for an nation who is influenced by Telenian culture without being purely Telenian. If he says no, i'm going to agree, and app as an Normal Telenian City-State. If he says yes, i'll use my idea. If the point that i got across was that the rules should bend to me because i just don't like the Greek warfare or because "I wouldn't be able to get as powerful as i want to be", then i hope this cleared things up

[Farahdeen]

You wouldn't be able to gain as much power as you otherwise could. That's not the same as RPing as well as you possibly could. This is not a competition, and there are no winners. I've made my position clear as co-OP. Unless Tasuirin overrules me, you have your answer.

Maybe i'm not explaining myself correctly, but this isn't about power, you know what i mean? It's about the fact that i'm simply not good at playing as a Greek state. From past experiences, i just can't seem to write it as well. Here's the thing. I know the RP is not just about war, it's about your nation overall. But at some point, i am going to have to go into warfare, am i not? And when that happens, i'm probably not going to be able to write it as well as i could because i'm not good at writing Greek combat, be it because i'm not a fan of phalanxes or because i just can't seem to do it. Because of that, i'm looking ahead, and simply asking the host if i could tell an idea that i have for an nation who is influenced by Telenian culture without being purely Telenian. If he says no, i'm going to agree, and app as an Normal Telenian City-State. If he says yes, i'll use my idea. If the point that i got across was that the rules should bend to me because i just don't like the Greek warfare or because "I wouldn't be able to get as powerful as i want to be", then i hope this cleared things up

I have next to no idea about greek war, and I'm just gonna go write out some battles my way. You don't exactly have to be so historical ya know? Theres dragons in here after all, so who cares if u aren't historically accurate in greek warfare

[Skarten]

Maybe i'm not explaining myself correctly, but this isn't about power, you know what i mean? It's about the fact that i'm simply not good at playing as a Greek state. From past experiences, i just can't seem to write it as well. Here's the thing. I know the RP is not just about war, it's about your nation overall. But at some point, i am going to have to go into warfare, am i not? And when that happens, i'm probably not going to be able to write it as well as i could because i'm not good at writing Greek combat, be it because i'm not a fan of phalanxes or because i just can't seem to do it. Because of that, i'm looking ahead, and simply asking the host if i could tell an idea that i have for an nation who is influenced by Telenian culture without being purely Telenian. If he says no, i'm going to agree, and app as an Normal Telenian City-State. If he says yes, i'll use my idea. If the point that i got across was that the rules should bend to me because i just don't like the Greek warfare or because "I wouldn't be able to get as powerful as i want to be", then i hope this cleared things up

I have next to no idea about greek war, and I'm just gonna go write out some battles my way. You don't exactly have to be so historical ya know? Theres dragons in here after all, so who cares if u aren't historically accurate in greek warfare

Eh, it's not about the historical accuracy, it's just that i'm crap at writing phalanxes. That's one of the reasons why i want to have an culture that's different yet influenced by Telenian Culture.

[Jade Confederacy]

Eh, it's not about the historical accuracy, it's just that i'm crap at writing phalanxes. That's one of the reasons why i want to have an culture that's different yet influenced by Telenian Culture.

Well if its any consolation, the chances of land battles will be rare since the landmasses are fairly fractured and won't allow for armies to directly march to their targets. Naval battles and sieges will be the primary modems of conflict

[Skarten]

Eh, it's not about the historical accuracy, it's just that i'm crap at writing phalanxes. That's one of the reasons why i want to have an culture that's different yet influenced by Telenian Culture.

Well if its any consolation, the chances of land battles will be rare since the landmasses are fairly fractured and won't allow for armies to directly march to their targets. Naval battles and sieges will be the primary modems of conflict

Well, to be honest, it all depends on where you are, what's your plan, etc. Plus, Sieges also count. After all, the city-states are going to have armies right?

[Reverend Norv]

Well if its any consolation, the chances of land battles will be rare since the landmasses are fairly fractured and won't allow for armies to directly march to their targets. Naval battles and sieges will be the primary modems of conflict

Well, to be honest, it all depends on where you are, what's your plan, etc. Plus, Sieges also count. After all, the city-states are going to have armies right?

Yes, but the primary conflict in the RP is ultimately the fact that dragons have returned, not between the city-states themselves.

[Skarten]

Well, to be honest, it all depends on where you are, what's your plan, etc. Plus, Sieges also count. After all, the city-states are going to have armies right?

Yes, but the primary conflict in the RP is ultimately the fact that dragons have returned, not between the city-states themselves.

I guess, but i still wouldn't be able to write the phalanxes. It's just that i have an idea i really like and i think it would fit into the scenario. Thus, i'm asking the OP if he would allow it. If he doesn't, i'll agreed and be Telenian.

[Jade Confederacy]

Yes, but the primary conflict in the RP is ultimately the fact that dragons have returned, not between the city-states themselves.

I doubt it, man will always be man's worst enemy. If some city-state get burned down by dragon fire, its neighbors are more likely to rejoice and kick them while they are down than to offer aid

[Skarten]

Yes, but the primary conflict in the RP is ultimately the fact that dragons have returned, not between the city-states themselves.

I doubt it, man will always be man's worst enemy. If some city-state get burned down by dragon fire, its neighbors are more likely to rejoice and kick them while they are down than to offer aid

Chances are they'll actually try to help the dragon.

[Andsed]

Speaking of the dragons how powerful are they and how many are there?

[The Frozen Forest]

OF IRON AND FIRE APPLICATION

NS NAME: The Frozen Forest
CITY NAME: Kamox
POPULATION: 250,000 Citizens | 75,000 Freemen | 15,000 Slaves | Total: 340,000)
SYMBOL OF CITY:

LOCATION OF CITY: Kamox is located on the south end of the bay on the island to the right of Nomos

MAJOR COLOURS OF CITY: Black and Gold
GOVERNMENT TYPE: Absolute Monarchy (Kantakounids Dynasty)
CULTURE OF CITY: Kamoxian Culture is derived from the culture of Phylesia. Under half of the Kamoxians are capable of speaking old Phylesian, which is a cousin language of Telenian. The rest speak solely Telenian and almost all citizens and Freemen speak Telenian. The slaves are another matter, speaking a range of dialects and languages. Slavery itself is a common sight in Kamox. Criminals, prisoners of war and debtors are among those who have been forced into bondage inside the mines of Kamox. Kamoxian slaves can earn their freedom after thirty years, becoming freedmen after being emancipated. Going from freedman to citizen requires service in the military or a significant monetary donation to the city of Kamox.

CIVIC SPECIALISATIONS: Kamox easily produces more bronze than any other city-state in Telen. This is due to the abundance of a rare resource-tin on Kamox. In addition to this, Kamox also trails Thalmos in iron production. Copper is present on Kamox, though not in the same abundance as tin, thus some small amounts of copper are imported to be smelted into bronze.
MILITARY SPECIALISATIONS: Kamox focuses on a quality over quantity approach to warfare. Citizens between the ages of 16 and 25 are required to spend five years in military service, however this can be bypassed by hiring and paying for two freedmen of the correct age to take their place. Kamox is a naval power and its sailors are of an unusually high quality. When fighting on land, a majority of the army will likely be made up of mercenaries. Citizens train with both a bow and a spear and to a lesser degree, swords. Unusually, a stronger focus is placed on archery than on melee weapons and therefore Kamoxian troops are accurate with the bow.
COMPOSITION OF ARMY:

*4,000 Citizen Phalanx
*2,500 Citizen Archers
*300 Citizen Light Cavalry

*6,000 Mercenary Phalanx
*500 Mercenary Archers
*20 Mercenary Light Cavalry

Total Land: 13,320

*42 Galleys
*840 Archers (20 archers a galley)
*2,100 Rowers/Spearmen

Total Seamen: 2,950

NUMBER OF SHIPS:

*42 Galleys (Military)
*51 Galleys (Merchant)

Total: 93 Galleys

HISTORY OF CITY: Kamox was originally settled by Phylesians roughly 350 years ago. As one of the outlying colonies of a greater power, it wasn't able to fully exploit its position within Telen. Its earliest history involves the discovery of small amounts of tin on the island and economic domination by its parent city-state. Its pre-independence population peaked at around 55,000, before shortly dipping down as a plague swept across the island, killing about 22,000 inhabitants. Notably, Kamox absorbed a tiny population of natives who had lived on the islands before the Phylesians colonized it. These natives were fully assimilated early on and no traces of their language or culture exist, apart from a single stone pillar in the center of Kamox.

Kamox as a colony came to have bad relations with the city state of Thalmos, a rivalry that would exist to the current day. 200 years after Kamox was founded, their ruler Phylesia experienced a dramatic event that led to the ousting of the ruling oligarchs, the Kantakounids. By luck a small number of the family managed to escape to the colony of Kamox, where they established themselves as Kings. The colony formally established their independence alongside a number of other colonies of Phylesia, most of which failed. Kamox was able to prosper after fully expanding the extraction and smelting of tin. It was abundant on Kamox and brought about great wealth as almost no other city states in Telen had large-scale tin production. With a virtual monopoly on the resource, Kamox became a wealthy city state that eventually attracted pirates and various other less-desirables. Several decades ago they were formally hired as Mercenaries. Kamox is currently lead by King Scamandrius, his heir is Prince Xanthippos, followed by Prince Sosimenes and Prince Diores. His only daughter is Princess Chrysothemis.
#OIAF app - DO NOT DELETE

[Tasuirin]

Yes, but the primary conflict in the RP is ultimately the fact that dragons have returned, not between the city-states themselves.

I guess, but i still wouldn't be able to write the phalanxes. It's just that i have an idea i really like and i think it would fit into the scenario. Thus, i'm asking the OP if he would allow it. If he doesn't, i'll agreed and be Telenian.

I've given you plenty of opportunities to explain your idea. While I appreciate that you "cannot write phalanxes", like Norv has continued to say, that is not the main point of this RP.

I will give you one more chance to explain your idea, and we can discuss whether it will work. Otherwise, I will insist on going Telenian.

[Skarten]

I guess, but i still wouldn't be able to write the phalanxes. It's just that i have an idea i really like and i think it would fit into the scenario. Thus, i'm asking the OP if he would allow it. If he doesn't, i'll agreed and be Telenian.

I've given you plenty of opportunities to explain your idea. While I appreciate that you "cannot write phalanxes", like Norv has continued to say, that is not the main point of this RP.

I will give you one more chance to explain your idea, and we can discuss whether it will work. Otherwise, I will insist on going Telenian.

Welll, yes, i am going to explain it as soon as i can. I'm not currently able to do it, but as soon as i'll do i'll get a post to explain it here.

[Tasuirin]

OF IRON AND FIRE APPLICATION

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NS NAME: Ruskland-Preuben
CITY NAME: Damnos

I will suggest that any information you do have on the dragons should be considered with distrust. As in, most of your people, before the dragons arrive, believe it to be false. Other than that, though, I think it's a good app. ACCEPTED!

OF IRON AND FIRE APPLICATION

NS NAME: The Frozen Forest
CITY NAME: Kamox

Barring Nea Byzantia having any issues with this, I really like this app, and it shows genuine interest in and respect of the lore. Like I said, unless Nea Byzantia wishes to object, ACCEPTED!

I'll add both of you to the map when I can.

[Tasuirin]

I've given you plenty of opportunities to explain your idea. While I appreciate that you "cannot write phalanxes", like Norv has continued to say, that is not the main point of this RP.

I will give you one more chance to explain your idea, and we can discuss whether it will work. Otherwise, I will insist on going Telenian.

Welll, yes, i am going to explain it as soon as i can. I'm not currently able to do it, but as soon as i'll do i'll get a post to explain it here.

Fair enough. Get the explanation sorted. Before then, I'm not giving my go ahead.

[Tasuirin]

On another note, I'm considering having the first proper dragon attack be this afternoon/tomorrow morning, depending on how many people post. The wheels are turning people!

[Nu-Amerika]

On another note, I'm considering having the first proper dragon attack be this afternoon/tomorrow morning, depending on how many people post. The wheels are turning people!

Oh lawd he comin

[Andsed]

On another note, I'm considering having the first proper dragon attack be this afternoon/tomorrow morning, depending on how many people post. The wheels are turning people!

Uh I don't want to be rude but I am going to just ask again. How powerful are the dragons and how many are there?

[Tasuirin]

On another note, I'm considering having the first proper dragon attack be this afternoon/tomorrow morning, depending on how many people post. The wheels are turning people!

Uh I don't want to be rude but I am going to just ask again. How powerful are the dragons and how many are there?

Whoops, sorry. Didn't see that there.

There will be enough to cover all of Telen at some points in the RP, so considering as they are very territorial, maybe there would be one per thousand km², so give or take about 2,000 dragons. A single dragon can wreak havoc on a city, but it would take a while to completely destroy it, and given that we likely won't be twiddling our thumbs when the dragons attack, they'll probably take a few days to actually attack after their most recent attack.

Numbers are much easier to define, whereas power is kinda difficult. I can't exactly say they're "OVER 9,000!", because that would be meaningless. Just be aware that they literally breathe fire, and when they attack their first city, it will show the power of these dragons.

[Kowloon-California]

I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I missed that the IC was already up. Will be participating shortly!

[Tasuirin]

I'm a bit embarrassed to say that I missed that the IC was already up. Will be participating shortly!

Heheh. Fair enough! It's all good.

[The Imperial Reach]

On another note, I'm considering having the first proper dragon attack be this afternoon/tomorrow morning, depending on how many people post. The wheels are turning people!

Oh lawd he comin

C H O N K

[The Hoosier Alliance]

Right outta the gate with an ultimatum. Nice.