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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:09 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Oh man! this means I'll have to reconquer those territories. But at least it will give me good ammo to be a completely totalitarian dictatorship pretending to be a socialist democracy and paradise. :twisted:

First off, why is your flag blasting white? I thought it was an error on my screen. Secondly, I would rather not be fighting you...all things considered.

Funny thing is: It was actually the flag of France (1814-1830) following the Napoleonic Wars.

I am using it as a simple from getting out of useless debates. I am "surrendering'.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:09 pm

Working on a post, on the assumption that both the ball and the UN meeting are beginning on the same day (January 31). It should be up in the next day or two.
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Postby The Greater Low Countries » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:02 pm

Theyra wrote:
New Cobastheia wrote:New York and Vermont are already taken


Also, most of the US is taken.

Are Michigan and/or Wisconsin open?
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Postby Chewion » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:03 pm

Turbin did you control the Tsarina?
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Postby Theyra » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:03 pm

The Greater Low Countries wrote:
Theyra wrote:
Also, most of the US is taken.

Are Michigan and/or Wisconsin open?


Nope. They are taken.

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Postby Republic of Turbin » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:04 pm

Chewion wrote:Turbin did you control the Tsarina?

I didn't realize. As I said previously this is my first rp, ill edit that part out.
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Postby Dayganistan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:05 pm

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NS Name: Dayganistan
RP Name: Democratic Confederation of Kurdistan
Capital: Erbil
Territory: Kurdish majority and historically Kurdish regions of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, and Syria. Something like this
Population: 42 million
Type of Government: One party state
Government Explaination:
Head of State(s):Rohat Amed
Image of Leader: Link
Party or Coalition in Power: Patriotic Union of Kurdistan
Executive Title: President
Religion Breakdown: 75% Sunni Muslim, 20% Shia Muslim, 5% other (includes Christians, Yazidis, Zoroastrians, non-religious)
Flag: Link
National Anthem: Ey Reqîb
Demonym: Kurdish
Map Color: Green

Public Goals: Maintain the stability of the Kurdish state, ensure the Kurdish people can never again be oppressed by their neighbours, modernize the nation
Private Goals: Revenge for oppression of the Kurdish people by any means necessary if the opportunity presents itself

Military name: Peshmerga
Military branches: Army, Air Force, Military police (Zeravani), local militias (Yekîneyên Parastina Gel, Yekîneyên Parastina Jin‎, People's Protection Units and Women's Protection Units respectively), Intelligence (Asayish)
Total military size250,000 active, 900,000 reserve (includes YPG/YPJ and Zeravani)
Breakdown of ground sector: The Peshmerga ground forces are relatively well equipped. They were supplied with western weaponry considered to be high end in the mid 2010s to help fight ISIS, and have captured even more high end equipment from similar time frames during the Kurdish independence war. The regular army has standardized on 5.56mm assault rifles, with the G36, K2C, VHS-2, HK416, and various AR-15 variants all being found throughout various units. In terms of heavier equipment, they have captured a wide variety of armoured vehicles from the countries they waged war with. The most elite armored units are equipped with Altay and Leopard 2A4 MBTs captures from Turkey, as well as M1A1s captured from Iraq. Other armored units are equipped with T-72s and T-90s captured from Iran and Syria. The Peshmerga ground forces also controls most of the Peshmerga's helicopter fleet which includes Blackhawks, Mi-28s, Mi-17s, CH-47s, and AH-1 Cobras. The Peshmerga ground forces maintain 3 infantry divisions, 1 airborne division, and 2 armoured divisions. Staffed by a mixture of volunteer and conscript personnel.
Breakdown of naval sector: Doesn't exist
Breakdown of aerial sector: Made up entirely of captured aircraft from Iraq, Iran, and Turkey. The crown jewel of the Peshmerga air force is the F-16 squadron captured from Turkey when they overran the airbase at Diyarbakir during the independence war. They also have a dedicated strike squadron, which consists of a small number of Su-25s captured from Iraq. Finally, they have a transport squadron equipped with C-130s. The air force is regarded as undertrained and poorly equipped with aircraft nearing 100 years old at this point, and many of its aircraft are believed to only exist on paper as they've been cannibalized for spare parts. The government is looking to reach out and buy a new multirole fighter to equip the existing fighter and strike squadron, as well as raise new fighter squadrons. As well as being responsible for aircraft, the air force also maintains a light infantry brigade dedicated to airfield defence, as well as air defence personnel operating surface to air missile systems. All pilots are volunteer, professional personnel. Ground crews, airfield defence personnel, and air defence forces staffed by a mixture of conscripts and volunteers.

Extra military information: The YPG and YPJ are local defence militias taking their name from the Kurdish militias of the Syrian Civil War. Their standard of equipment can range from almost the same as the regular Peshmerga to more or less a civilian militia with outdated weapons depending on location. They are not equipped with heavy armoured vehicles or air power. Staffed by a mixture of volunteer and conscript personnel. Theoretically the YPG and YPJ are separate organizations for men and women, in practice the militias are mixed gender with a given area's YPG and YPJ units training and fighting together as one.

The Asayish is the intelligence organization of Kurdistan. They maintain a small (~150 operators) tier one special operations force that can be used for both external operations and internal security operations. The Asayish also maintains a secret police force. All are volunteer, professional personnel.

The Zeravani are a militarized police force. They form the national police force and are also responsible for highway patrol and may be the local police force in some small rural communities, not unlike the RCMP in Canada. However, they are equipped similarly to the Peshmerga but without access to heavy armour, and like the local defence militias may have more outdated equipment depending on where in the country you go. Zeravani troops patrol with rifles, military grade body armour, and camouflage uniforms at all times. Many international observers see this use of the Zeravani as simply an intimidation tactic by the ruling junta. In war time or for internal counterinsurgency officers, Zeravani troops can be used as supplementary light or motorized infantry to the Peshmerga and Zeravani SWAT teams will be used as a special operations force. Staffed entirely by volunteer, professional personnel.

GDP: USD 64.1 billion
GDP per Capita: USD 1,526

Currency: Kurdish Dinar
Currency and value of currency compared to USD:1 USD = 1500 Kurdish Dinar

Major Domestic Issues: Ongoing insurgency by Turkish ultranationalists, ethnic tensions with Arabs, Persians, and Assyrians, threat of Islamic extremism, economic development, modernization of armed forces
Major Foreign Issues: Potential for war with Turkey and Iran, border dispute with Armenia

History: In 2028, the newly independent Kurdistan is invaded by Turkey, Iran, and Iraq. The same year, political parties in Iraqi and Syrian Kurdistan unite as the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Through 2029, it becomes a sub-conflict within the Second Gulf War. Kurdistan is able to maintain its independence as defeating Kurdistan has become a significantly less important conflict to the other major powers involved.

At the outbreak of civil war in Turkey in 2035, the PKK starts to resist Turkish rule more intensely than at any other point in the past and sees this as a chance to carve out an independent Kurdish state. They're supported by the Democratic Confederation of Kurdistan as well as PJAK, the Iranian branch of the PKK. While the Turks are carrying out genocide against the Kurdish population in this war, the Kurds do the same to Turkish populations. By late 2035, the PKK and PJAK agreed to integrate themselves into the Peshmerga, the armed forces of Kurdistan. The political wings of the PKK and PJAK join the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan. Kurdistan and the Turkish government are now officially at war.

In 2036, Kurdistan achieves a major strategic and symbolic victory by capturing the Turkish city of Diyarbakir, the largest Kurdish majority city in the world. Kurdish forces capture a large amount of Turkish equipment from the units defending the city, including fighter aircraft which remained on the ground as Kurdish forces overran the Turkish airbase. War against the Turkish government continues but on a more equal footing as the Peshmerga integrate modern Turkish equipment including Altay MBTs.

In 2039, Iran falls into complete chaos as Kurdistan continues to wage war against the Turkish government. Kurdish majority regions of Iran declare independence and join the Democratic Confederation of Kurdistan. Iranian government only offers token resistance.

The Kurdish War of Independence officially ends in 2043 with Kurdistan reaching it's current borders. Clashes with ultranationalist Turkish paramilitaries continue throughout the next year however. In 2045, Kurdistan is involved in border conflicts with Turkey, Iran and Armenia, but by 2047 these all end in stalemate. The same year, Turkish ultranationalists in what is now Kurdistan begin an insurgency. Between this time and the present, the Kurdish government begins to stabilize the country, promote economic development, and attempts to reduce tensions among the Arab, Persian, and Assyrian minorities in Kurdistan in an attempt to prevent the government from having to deal with multiple insurgencies.
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Postby Chewion » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:06 pm

Republic of Turbin wrote:
Chewion wrote:Turbin did you control the Tsarina?

I didn't realize. As I said previously this is my first rp, ill edit that part out.

Ah you're fine. Normally you ask the player if you can use their character or have them do it in a co-op piece.
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Republic of Turbin
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Postby Republic of Turbin » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:07 pm

Chewion wrote:
Republic of Turbin wrote:I didn't realize. As I said previously this is my first rp, ill edit that part out.

Ah you're fine. Normally you ask the player if you can use their character or have them do it in a co-op piece.

I'll get rid of it just in case
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The Imperial Warglorian Empire
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:25 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Benuty wrote:First off, why is your flag blasting white? I thought it was an error on my screen. Secondly, I would rather not be fighting you...all things considered.

Funny thing is: It was actually the flag of France (1814-1830) following the Napoleonic Wars.

I am using it as a simple from getting out of useless debates. I am "surrendering'.

Oh, you did not!
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:43 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Funny thing is: It was actually the flag of France (1814-1830) following the Napoleonic Wars.

I am using it as a simple from getting out of useless debates. I am "surrendering'.

Oh, you did not!

Yes, I did. :p
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Reverend Norv
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Feb 06, 2019 5:47 pm

Hah! I have a Middle East buddy. And a historic ally of Israel, no less.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:28 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:Hah! I have a Middle East buddy. And a historic ally of Israel, no less.

*Sees Jews increasing in power*
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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:34 pm

Jolthig wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:Oh, you did not!

Yes, I did. :p

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Postby Plzen » Wed Feb 06, 2019 6:46 pm

It looks like Kurdistan is looking to acquire some modern multirole fighters. That is very interesting. Would you like some assistance with that? :)

Kongsberg JAS m/34A at the low low price of kr. 1.1 billion apiece? When it comes to superiority in the air you can’t do much better than Commonwealth-built, even if the technologies in the m/34A are 20 years old and starting to get a little outdated.

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Postby Dayganistan » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:14 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:Hah! I have a Middle East buddy. And a historic ally of Israel, no less.

Kurdistan will more than likely be looking to form an alliance of sorts with Israel. I imagine both having pretty similar priorities and interests. Kurdistan would also have a bit of a leftist stance as well given the prominence of Marxist groups in the independence struggle which would give it more in common with Israel.

Plzen wrote:It looks like Kurdistan is looking to acquire some modern multirole fighters. That is very interesting. Would you like some assistance with that? :)

Kongsberg JAS m/34A at the low low price of kr. 1.1 billion apiece? When it comes to superiority in the air you can’t do much better than Commonwealth-built, even if the technologies in the m/34A are 20 years old and starting to get a little outdated.

It all depends what else can be offered. Anything is better than 50+ year old F-16s at this point.
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Reverend Norv
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:22 pm

Dayganistan wrote:
Reverend Norv wrote:Hah! I have a Middle East buddy. And a historic ally of Israel, no less.

Kurdistan will more than likely be looking to form an alliance of sorts with Israel. I imagine both having pretty similar priorities and interests. Kurdistan would also have a bit of a leftist stance as well given the prominence of Marxist groups in the independence struggle which would give it more in common with Israel.

Plzen wrote:It looks like Kurdistan is looking to acquire some modern multirole fighters. That is very interesting. Would you like some assistance with that? :)

Kongsberg JAS m/34A at the low low price of kr. 1.1 billion apiece? When it comes to superiority in the air you can’t do much better than Commonwealth-built, even if the technologies in the m/34A are 20 years old and starting to get a little outdated.

It all depends what else can be offered. Anything is better than 50+ year old F-16s at this point.


Yes. Kurdish leftism would be a good match for Israel's Labor Zionist government. And since, according to my history, Israel and Kurdistan actually fought side-by-side in the 2030s, when Kurdistan's independence war coincided with the Second Gulf War against Iran and Turkey, there's even historical basis for a close partnership. All of which is to say that you shouldn't buy those fighters until you see what your friends closer to home might have on offer...and that Norden should consider what it can offer to make sure Israel doesn't compete for the contract.
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For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:29 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Yes, I did. :p

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You are under arrest, my lord.

Anyway, I'll do some more reading on the OP, to form my history.
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Postby Plzen » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:09 pm

Reverend Norv wrote:...and that Norden should consider what it can offer to make sure Israel doesn't compete for the contract.

The tried-and-proven hero of international armament deals: bribes?

I jest, of course. It makes sense for Kurdistan to buy from Israel in many ways, if Israel is selling. Armament trade is more common between allied states than they are between countries ambivalent to each other, although the latter certainly exists.



In terms of military costs, I’ve made the assumption that each “generation” of equipment is about twice as expensive as their counterparts in the previous generation, and that the most advanced countries are a generation and a half above currently-used real-life equipment (so a top-of-the-line fighter designed last year would cost on the order of $400 or $450 million).

I’ve also assumed that the estimated R&D costs of the real-life JAS Gripen 39 (for which R&D costs was roughly equal to the manufacturing costs of 30 planes) are fairly typical for military aircraft.
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Postby Kelmet » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:18 pm

I also enjoy selling arms.
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Postby Newne Carriebean7 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:23 pm

Plzen wrote:In terms of military costs, I’ve made the assumption that each “generation” of equipment is about twice as expensive as their counterparts in the previous generation, and that the most advanced countries are a generation and a half above currently-used real-life equipment (so a top-of-the-line fighter designed last year would cost on the order of $400 or $450 million).

Well if it's gonna end up costing that much, Kensin might as well invest in Zeppelins, or even bigger dirigibles to act as mobile targets aircraft carriers. The main objective is the lure the enemy's ammunition out of hiding! Once we've depleted their ammunition, we shall close in with the waffle iron, bayonet and hand grenade that's attached to a sword. I think we're going to have to up our production of the good old small arms of soviet era designed AKs and the occasional brown bess musket,which I hear is even more advanced than our militia wielding shit on a stick that we fire out of matchlocks.
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Postby Reverend Norv » Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:38 pm

There we go. Post is up, and more importantly, it's proofread - I mistakenly posted it while only partway through editing.
For really, I think that the poorest he that is in England hath a life to live as the greatest he. And therefore truly, Sir, I think it's clear that every man that is to live under a Government ought first by his own consent to put himself under that Government. And I do think that the poorest man in England is not at all bound in a strict sense to that Government that he hath not had a voice to put himself under.
Col. Thomas Rainsborough, Putney Debates, 1647

A God who let us prove His existence would be an idol.
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Postby Republic of Turbin » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:06 pm

I have a question about group RP such as The UN meeting and The Ambassadors Ball. How does dialogue between leaders work as to where I'd imagine shorter posts being needed? Could someone please give me an example or an explanation as to how group RP works the help would be greatly appreciated!
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Chewion
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Postby Chewion » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:11 pm

Republic of Turbin wrote:I have a question about group RP such as The UN meeting and The Ambassadors Ball. How does dialogue between leaders work as to where I'd imagine shorter posts being needed? Could someone please give me an example or an explanation as to how group RP works the help would be greatly appreciated!

Two ways. Either shorter posts are all separate in the IC or we do a large Google doc where everyone talks and meets and then one person posts that. The second is my preferred method.
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Postby Flecatya » Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:24 pm

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