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Vaterlandische Austria
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Postby Vaterlandische Austria » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:08 am

Will finish someday

Generic Info
Nation Name: Andean Confederation
Symbols:
Location: 48
Population: 6,65 million
Capital City: Lima

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary Presidential Dictatorship with Totalitarian Democracy
Brief Explanation of Government:
While in the past the Confederacy is a democratic country basing itself on a liberal constitution, the failed "1880 Popular Revolution" led by the Socialist-Communist coalition has inadvertently led to the rise of the military elements, specifically navy general Lucián de la Cavallería into the office acting president of the country. Subsequent purges, self-coup, and consolidation of power led to the creation of 1888 Security Act Resolution, permanently putting Cavalleria as the country's 2nd Supreme Protector with lifelong executive mandate with no real limit of its power.

Despite his heroic status, however, Cavalleria's unchecked power quickly proven unpopular with the general public, who demand the need for an election. To placate such demands, Cavalleria formulated a new parliament with a series of laws regarding elections as well as its structure and duties. Primarily, the new parliament cannot elect a new president and 1/3 of the seats were reserved for appointed military officers, ensuring significant government control over legislative affairs. To participate in the election, Cavalleria aligned himself with an obscure military-run federation of NGOs called Alianza para el Progreso and turned it into his electoral vehicle. Intimidation, gerrymandering, and other such action are common to ensure political dominance in the country.

Cavalleria also supported and relied on the military to maintain domestic control. He expanded the army's territorial system down to the district level and military officers were often appointed as regional heads.

Ideology: Authoritarian conservatism/Conservative corporatism
Leader/s: President and 2nd Supreme Protector Lucián de la Cavallería
Relations:
  • France: Franco-Andean friendship is one that has survived and developed through years, with France influence felt both in the army and the navy of the confederacy. Though the relation only peaked during the days of democratic government, Cavalleria nonetheless uninterested to sever the connection with the République for now.
  • Brazil: Andean Confederacy try to maintain a healthy relationship with the Goliath of the South, perceiving it as defender and bulwark of stability on the continent against the hated left-wing revolutionaries. That to be said, a territorial conflict exists between the two, with the confederacy claiming a strip of Amazonian rain-forest as it's own, though the claim is mostly shelved in favor of being in the good side of Rio.
  • People’s Republic of Central America: Perhaps unsurprisingly, Cavallería's government has taken a hostile position to the existence of the People's Republic, seeing them as dangerous and radical revolutionary. It has frozen any previous diplomatic relation it has with the country and actively discredit the state in the international stage.
  • Chile: Andean's rivalry with Chile run deep. From war of the confederation, Santiago has for decades undermine the position and integrity of the confederation, and the Confederacy has endured its aggression for too long. While not a hawkish official himself, Cavallería and his government mostly share the public opinion: One day Chile will pay for all the humiliation and return Antofagasta to its rightful owner!
  • Argentina: Less hated but otherwise massively unpopular are Argentina, who has taken Jujuy and Chaco from Bolivia region. The two countries relation has cooled for quite a while, and Cavallería has made it no secret that he will do whatever it takes to return Andean territory should the opportunity arise.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:
Born in a country often shaken by political instability, rebellion, and actual earthquakes, the Andean people remain one of the hardiest people ever existed in the face of God's green earth. Heirs of the Incan Empire, its people are prideful and no stranger to honor and glory. Perhaps so, or because the Confederacy has yet to establish itself as national identity, the country still divided between "Ecuadorian"/"Peruvian"/"Bolivian" nationalist sentiments, though especially with Ecuador, as it's rather new addition to the confederation. Divided as it is, the three national believe themselves enough to be brothers in an otherwise hostile and dangerous world. Amerindians are pushed to the corner and "encouraged" to better adapt to the more prominent culture of the country.
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Ethnicity: Mestizo, European, Afro-Andean, Amerindian
Main/Accepted Culture(s): South Andean (Bolivian/Peruvian/Ecuadorian)
Other Cultures: Guarani, Amazonian, Quechua, Aymaras, and any other Amerindians culture

Military Info
Army:
Ejército del Andino: 66,500 active, 126,350 reserve.
  • Región Militar de Ecuador: 10.000
  • Región Militar de Bolivia: 20.000
  • Región Militar del Perú: 36.500
Guardia de la Confederación:13.300
the Peruvian Army underwent a series of reforms under the guidance of the French Military Mission. Changes included the streamlining of the General Staff, the establishment of the Escuela Superior de Guerra (War College), the creation of three military regions + one guard division in 1905 and a general professionalization of the military career.

Navy: 1 ironclad, 5 cruisers, and dozen of commerce raiders.
In 1894, the services of a French Naval Mission in charge of CDR Paul de Marguerye, had been contracted to restructure the organization and the operation of the Naval Academy, with positive results of increasing overall effectiveness and quality. Several Andean officers were also sent to study further in Brazil, Spain, France and England.



Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:
The economic history of Andean has its traditional roots in natural resources such as mining, farming, fishing, and agriculture. In precolonial times, during the reign of the Inca empire, the economy was mainly agricultural, though it reached some animal husbandry and mining development. In recent years, there has been a noticeable increase in industries and services thanks to the introduction of the new railroad building program. Nevertheless, cash crops such as cotton, sugar, and rubber as well as mining products of Gold, Silver, and Copper still became the cornerstone of the Andean economy.
Goals:
  • Increase Andean significance in the world stage
  • Return core territories of the Confederacy
  • Crush any sort of leftist revolutionary sentiment
History:
The origin of this nation owes itself to a time long before its existence. During the 17th century, the Spanish Empire presided over almost two-thirds of the Continents of America. To govern these huge areas of land the Spanish Empire divided these areas into Viceroyalties. These were designed to allow for the better governance of the Spanish Empires overseas territories. In South America, three Viceroyalties were created to govern the continent. These were The Viceroyalty of New Granda, The Viceroyalty of The Rio De La Plata and the Viceroyalty of Peru. These Viceroyalties would eventually gain independence towards the beginning of the 19th Century in a period often cited as the Spanish American Wars of Independence.

The defeat of Spain in the Peninsular War and collapse of the Bourbon Dynasty left the Spanish Government without rule. With no authority left to govern them, the Viceroyalties collapsed unto themselves in varying degrees. Most would simply declare juntas that would act as independent kingdoms in their own right. Added to the complications of so many new governments appearing was the fact that some territories and cities were not included in these juntas. Political fault lines and cultural divides began to appear. The first phase of the war is argued to begin 1808 when the first recorded fighting took place. In 1810 provinces of the former Viceroyalty of Rio De La Plata declared independence.

In northern South America, New Granadan and Venezuelan patriots, under leaders such as Francisco de Paula Santander, Simón Bolívar, Santiago Mariño, Manuel Piar, and José Antonio Páez, carried out campaigns in the vast Orinoco River basin and along the Caribbean coast, often with material aid coming from Curaçao and Haiti. In March 1814 Ferdinand VII ascended to the Spanish Throne following the collapse of the French Empire. While at first it was expected that his return would weaken the independence movement, his betrayal toward the liberal movement intensify the movement. His actions set most of the South American Junta’s that had not declared a position in the war to side with the independence movements. Those moderates within the independence movements that had once wished to reconcile with the crown now saw an imperative need to separate themselves from Spain.

Of course, as history shown the strings of the success of the Patriots, led in the north by Simon Bolivar and the south by San Martin, eventually led to the Viceroy La Serna signed a Treaty surrendering The Royalist forces to the Independence movement. While Spanish proper officially try to recapture their colonies, no substantially successful move was ever taken and with Ferdinand death in 1833 the reconquista more or less ended.

With the defeat of The Royalist forces and independence won, new nations began to form. One of these would become Bolivia. In 1826 Bolivia achieved independence. At the time of its birth, a union between the newly created nations of Upper and South Peru was desired. The majority of the public supported this idea, but Simon Bolivar publicly disapproved of the notion of this union and instead backed the creation of an independent state. In honor of his role in liberating the nation the nation was renamed The Republic of Bolivia, he as its first president. Soon afterward political turmoil forced Bolivia to return to Gran Colombia, in his place he left Antonio José de Sucre, a Venezuelan Independence leader. Sucre was elected president towards the end of 1826, but due to political and economic reasons was unable to organize the nation.

At the beginning of May 1828, an uprising allowed Peru to invade Bolivia with two aims. To force the removal of the Colombian Army and to institute a new constitution. By 28th of May Sucre was forced to step down and was replaced by Marshal Andres de Santa Cruz. Both Gamarra, the President of Peru, and Santa Cruz agreed that the separation of Peru and Bolivia was a mistake that should be corrected. They eventually decided that a federation or at least a confederacy should be made uniting the nations. Both though disagreed on who should be in charge, Gammara believes in a Peru-led union while Santa Cruz believed that Bolivia should have more political power.

With the war over in 1833, Peru organized a new parliament, one that disapproved of Gamarra, demanding he steps down since his term had finished. Since there was no time to call for elections General Luis Orbegoso was sworn in as President. Gamarra angered by this and attempted to restore his position, but found that most of the county and the army were aligned against him. In 1835 a Peruvian General rebelled and seized the capital from Orbegoso. Orbegoso, however, has strong support in the South of Peru and called the President of Bolivia, Santa Cruz, to aid him. Santa Crus agreed to help him, but on the condition that he would agree to the formation of the Peru-Bolivian Confederation. He did and following the Generals defeat, Orbegoso announced the formation. The union met with support in the South of Peru and Bolivia, but anger in the richer North. The formation would see Peru divided into two states, South and North. The formation now meant that Southern Peru would benefit much greater from the formation and possibly damage their interests in the north. Never the less on the 28th of October 1836, the Confederacy was officially proclaimed and The Peru-Bolivian Confederation came into existence.

The formation of the Confederation while the majority of the population supported and benefited from the Confederations existence, the formation had caused tension at with neighboring countries and with the richer elite in North Peru. The population of Lima had benefited for decades as the trade center for the Viceroy of Lima and since gaining independence had benefited from trade with Chile. With the splitting of Peru, the city of Lima would no longer enjoy the same economic advantages now given to Arequipa, the Capital of South Peru. A number of politicians affected by this moved to Chile in hope to one day restore their way of life before the union. Internationally the creation of this Confederation caused alarm in many neighboring nations. Argentina considered the Confederation a rival, while José Joaquín Prieto, President of Chile, treated it as a threat to the region's stability. His claims were not unfounded. The Confederation now held the position as the Second Largest power in Hispanic America, with the collapse of Gran Colombia.

At the beginning of 1836, a simple trade disagreement would lead to heightened tension between Chile and The Confederation. The disagreement was over how high to set the tariff on Sugar and Wheat. In an attempt to force Chile to the negotiation table, The States of North and South Peru increased the tariff on Chilean wheat from 12 cents to 3 pesos - an increase of 2400%. Chile responded by increasing the tariff on Confederation sugar by the same amount. Tensions between the nations would remain high and this period would later be known as The Tariff War. The Tariff war would become increasingly bitter as the winter months came by.

As if it was not enough tension, on the 7th of January a Confederation ship was stopped by a Chilean Frigate and the excuse of searching the ship for slaves. The accusation of slavery within the Confederation angered much of the population and Velasco demanded the immediate release of the vessel and its property. The Chilean government eventually released the vessel and its crew a month later. The incident caused embarrassment on both as Chile was forced to release the vessel, while criticizers of Velasco and the Confederation pointed at the inability of the government in securing the vessels release.

The two government became increasingly hostile, and as common throughout the time period, the conspiracy began to be cooked to resolve it. From the Confederation side, Santa Cruz conspires with Ramon Friere, ex-president of Chile who has been exiled in Peru that would later be known as the infamous Freire Expedition. Its failure and publicity would ultimately start The First Confederation War, with Chile crying for war against the confederation for attempting a Coup d’etat against them.

The critics, however, does not originate from down Patagonia alone. In the nations of Peru outrage spread amongst the wealthy elite and the critics of the Confederations. The Upper Class of North Peru had always chaffed against the new balance of power. Trade now traveled south instead of the city of Lima, the traditional hub of regional trade. The Tariff War had only worsened the North Peruvian population’s opinion of The Confederation. The continuation of the war was considered a failing of The Confederation Government and structure. Upper echelons believe that should the confederation should exist, Peru should be the center of The Confederation due to size and trade. The Freire Expedition was greeted with public outrage in North Peru and one that these elites do not miss. On the 11th of October, several prominent members of the North Peru Government approached General Orbegoso in declaring North Peru independent of The Confederation and to wage a war uniting all of Peru and drove Santa Cruz away from The Confederation. General Orbegoso accepted and was declared the First Grand President of the Confederation, rivaling the title “Supreme Protector”. He immediately declared war on The Confederation and began to mobilize troops in Lima. In an attempt to bring South Peru into the war on North Peru’s side, Orbegoso sent a personal request to the President of South Peru, Ramón Herrera Rodado. Unlike the North, the South had prospered from The “Bolivian” Confederation birth. Rodado made his position clear. He would support Santa Cruz.

The war is disastrous for Santa Cruz and Rodado however. With Chile controlling the sea and North Peru blocking anything from the North, supplies ran little very fast. Argentina long claimed Jujuy area and its silver mines, joined Chilean side. The resulting declaration stretched public support too far. Throughout the cities and towns of the Confederation, a cry of peace was demanded. Bowing to cabinet pressure Cruz was forced to agree to peace talks. These talks hosted in Brazil, a nation considered neutral by all sides, were held within the city of Rio de Janeiro. On the 12th April 1839 Argentina and The Confederation would be the first to sign the Treaty of Rio de Janeiro. The treaty would annex the mountains of Jujuy into the nation of Argentina and the region of Antofagasta to The Republic of Chile as “payment” for attempting to destabilize Chile. Orbegoso, while no friend to the belligerent states was by no means their enemy like Cruz, and the two agree by the treaty that he would be mantled as the leader of whatever left.

What follows is a flurry of changes, reform, and rebellion. By Rio de Janeiro treaty, Orbegoso is the one who wins the confederation, not North Peru, but that did not stop him from annexing it all into North Peru. Bolivia has been too exhausted by the war and did not raise many protests during the process, but South Peru elites quickly declare a rebellion to protest, one that led by the deposed José Miguel de Velasco, ex-Second President of Bolivia. It quickly ended up in failure. By the end of 1845, the Peru-Bolivian Confederation has officially reformed itself as Andean Confederation, with whole Peru as the dominant partner, its parliament as the only legislative body, and Lima as its capital. Two years of war that had ripped The Confederation apart and brought it back together, smaller, but in some ways stronger. Bolivia would never again regain its level of autonomy, and Peru would never again be divided. Santa Cruz plans were scrapped. The Confederation could no longer stay un-united nor under Bolivia.
But in true South American fashion, things just could not stay stabilized. In his visit to Paris, he was shot down by Bolivarian nationalist, Manuel Stezo, while in a carriage with the French Foreign Minister. The Minister was later confirmed to be unharmed, but due to the sensational headlines, newspapers were unwilling to remove it.

The Parliament of Andean, naturally, shocked and collapsed into disarray. More than just a hero, he’s a strongman who united the collapsing confederation into a unitary state. Without him, Bolivia, or even South Peru, may declare their independence away. Keen to save the Confederation before its inevitable destruction the parliament invited a highly decorated and respected Peruvian general, Manuel Prado and quickly elected him as the country’s emergency leader. The quick response time and military background have proven to be the silver bullet necessary to stabilize the nation. With the pain of Velasco defeat still lingers, the separatist has yet to dare strike again against the military.

Turns out while Prado is a good general, he’s largely uninterested in politics, only accepting his position due to the necessity of the situation. What follows is a series of reforms towards democratization as the conservatives and liberals seek to secure their own supporter base. Andean Thaw, as they called it, turns the confederation from series of dictators into a true democratic republic. Prado too, when his tenure finally ran out, simply back down and return to the simple life of military commander, and only return to the spotlight when Andean Confederation fought against Ecuador in the territorial dispute of ‘57.

The dispute began when Ecuador attempted to sell Amazon basin land claimed by Andean in order to settle a debt with British creditors. When diplomatic relations between the two countries broke down, prior to the fragmentation of the Ecuadorian government into several competing factions, the Andean government ordered a blockade of Ecuador's ports in order to force the cancellation of the sale, and the official acknowledgment of Peruvian ownership of the disputed territories. By late 1859, control of Ecuador was consolidated between General Guillermo Franco, in the city of Guayaquil, and a provisional government in Quito headed by Gabriel García Moreno. Andean President Ramón Castilla sailed to Guayaquil with several thousand soldiers in October 1859 and negotiated the Treaty of Mapasingue with General Franco in January 1860. The signing of the treaty indicated Ecuadorian compliance with all of Peru's demands, and temporarily marked the end of the territorial dispute between the two countries. However, in September 1860, the forces of the provisional government, commanded by García Moreno and General Juan José Flores defeated Franco's government at the Battle of Guayaquil, ending the civil war in Ecuador. The new government disavowed the Treaty of Mapasingue, followed shortly afterward by its Peruvian counterpart; this re-opened the territorial dispute and turning it into open war as Andean government retaliates to defend its claim.

The war started fast and end even faster as Moreno could not muster enough forces to defend Ecuador against the professional military division. The Andean soldier enters almost unopposed in Guayaquil and forced Moreno to step down in favor of Franco and his treaty of Mapasingue. This intervention would unintentionally turn Ecuador into a puppet of Andean as Franco only backed by the Confederation troops. Seizing the opportunity, Castilla put all his effort into annexing Ecuador as the third state in the confederation, and by the winter of ’64, Ecuadorian “bid” for statehood is accepted by Andean parliament.

Things only turned south again in 1870, but this time the nature of the crisis would be economic rather than political. By structure, the Andean Confederacy is politically dominated by Peru, but its economic dominance is a natural byproduct of each constituent territory. Bolivia and Ecuador are weak economically, with Bolivia being nothing more than breadbasket state and Ecuador only worth is its cash-crops, which susceptible to the fluctuation of prices. Instead, the economy of the confederation is run by Peruvian mining business: Gold, Silver, and Guano. Gold was taken out on a large scale by the Spanish for many years following the conquest, but silver and Guano remains an important export. Guano especially served as Europe's most important fertilizer in the mid-nineteenth century and made Peru for a time the largest Latin American exporter to Europe. The guano boom ran out around 1870, after generating a long period of exceptional economic growth. When the guano boom ended, the economy retreated.

This alone would not cause concern if Peru only maintains its own economy. After all, Foreign-exchange earnings from guano exports became so abundant and, therefore, imported goods so cheap that much of Peru's small-scale local industry went out of production. The end of the guano boom relieved this pressure, and with a prolonged depreciation of the currency, the stage is set to stimulate manufacturing.

But with Confederation, Peru downturn meant a dive down for its fellow constituencies. Prices of products also rise up with the falling price of silver, which the country’s currency is backed on. While Peruvian entrepreneurs respond positively to this change, Bolivian and Ecuadorian proletariat does not. January 1880 is opened by a popular revolution, instigated by the socialist and communist wing of Andean society. While in the end, the revolution crushed, it is not without repercussion, and a new strong man rises up from the chaos to led the nation to the new century…



RP Sample: This and this. Admittedly these are very old samples, but I haven't been RPing for a long while either.
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Cossack Khanate
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:08 am

Krugmar wrote:
Cossack Khanate wrote:Oh, thanks. I didn't see the map. Can I get the Indian subcontinent though?

EDIt: I assume the dark red are British. What about the pinkish parts though?


No, the Subcontinent is currently the British Raj and at this time lacks any significant home-rule

The pinkish parts are the various 566 princely states, currently under British suzerainty.


well, oof. I would have been good at playing India, cause I'm Indian irl. Anyway, let me check out my options here...
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Postby Cossack Khanate » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:12 am

Region and Number: United Kingdom of Spain and Portugal and the Alagarves [Iberian Union], number 5
Nation Name:Iberian Empire
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Postby Elerian » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:39 am

Out of curiousity, why do you have Dreadnoughts a couple years ahead of time? @Krug

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Postby Krugmar » Sun Jan 27, 2019 10:53 am

Elerian wrote:Out of curiousity, why do you have Dreadnoughts a couple years ahead of time? @Krug


Oops, a mistake while copying over and editing 1910 levels. I wasn't entirely sure when the 'noughts first appeared so I didn't remove them and then forgot to check. Thanks.
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Postby Rygondria » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:03 am

Is there anything i should know about The republic of Georgia before i start making the PP

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Postby Krugmar » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:08 am

Rygondria wrote:Is there anything i should know about The republic of Georgia before i start making the PP


The only things set are that it did rebel against Britain in the American War of Independence, but later became independent when the United States quickly fell apart. How it acquired Spanish Florida, and what it's been doing since then is up to you, within reason.
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Postby Rygondria » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:11 am

Krugmar wrote:
Rygondria wrote:Is there anything i should know about The republic of Georgia before i start making the PP


The only things set are that it did rebel against Britain in the American War of Independence, but later became independent when the United States quickly fell apart. How it acquired Spanish Florida, and what it's been doing since then is up to you, within reason.

Ok, So collapse of the Articles of confederation then, i guess the republic would be more agarian than anything, is the whole plantation economy thing still viable or has that era passed ?

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Postby Rodez » Sun Jan 27, 2019 1:46 pm

Tag. What's the story behind Virginia being a kingdom?
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Postby The New Kargintina » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:31 pm

Rodez wrote:Tag. What's the story behind Virginia being a kingdom?

The USA fell apart during the Articles of Confederation era, the rest is up to you.
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:36 pm

Rodez wrote:Tag. What's the story behind Virginia being a kingdom?

Realistically, its just for flavour and interest in the swath of republics on the Eastern Seaboard. Think of it perhaps as the elements of US society that weren't completely lost in amore to royalty: disaffected majorly by the failures of the Articles of Confederation.
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Postby Rodez » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:05 pm

The New Kargintina wrote:
Rodez wrote:Tag. What's the story behind Virginia being a kingdom?

The USA fell apart during the Articles of Confederation era, the rest is up to you.

Liecthenbourg wrote:
Rodez wrote:Tag. What's the story behind Virginia being a kingdom?

Realistically, its just for flavour and interest in the swath of republics on the Eastern Seaboard. Think of it perhaps as the elements of US society that weren't completely lost in amore to royalty: disaffected majorly by the failures of the Articles of Confederation.

Interesting. I could have some fun with a dynasty of the Randolphs or Lees, but Russia is a big player and hasn't been taken yet, so I'm gonna go ahead and snag that.

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Postby St George Territory » Sun Jan 27, 2019 3:08 pm

I think this is acceptable.

Generic Info
Nation Name: Canadian Confederation
Symbols: (ex. Flag, Coat of Arms, National Anthem, personifications, etc.) Canadian Red Ensign (flag) Maple Leaf Forever (anthem) Johnny Canuck (personification) Coat of arms Wilfrid Laurier (Prime minister) Arthur Grey, 4th Earl Grey (Governor General)
Location: 28
Population: 9.28 million
Capital City: Ottawa

Government Info
Government Type: Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: The Canadian Confederation is still very much a colony at this time, with the diplomacy and military of the Confederation being handled by the Crown, smaller, more domestic issues are handled by Canada.
Ideology: Tories: conservatism, protectionism, unionism | Liberals: classical liberalism, free market
Leader/s: HRH Edward VI, King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions, Emperor of India, Prime Minister Wilfrid Laurier, Governor General Arthur Grey, 4th Earl Grey
Relations (Trade agreements, existing military alliances, rivals, etc) • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island - Our benevolent overlords and the only reason the Canadian Confederation continues to stand, through trade between the Empire and Canada greatly fills the Canadian coffers and provides Canada with the defender that she requires to battle American and French bandits coming from the South.
• The French Republic/Department of Louisiana - A strong source of anger for the Canadian Confederation, as well as fear with the French being so close to the cities of Calgary, Regina, Winnipeg and having the potential to cut the Canadian National Railway, with that in mind relations are rather cold, bordering on hatred of the Department of Louisiana.
• Republic of Vermont - The Canadian Confederation sees Vermont as an easy conquest, with a high population of French Canadians, it may show the rest of the Americans that the Canadians are a power to be respected.
• Indian Free State - The Canadian Confederation seeks greater friendship and possibly an alliance seeing as their location near the Department of Louisiana.
• New California Republic - The Californians could possibly be fairly good partners, but with that in mind, we must protect our territories in the West.
• Japan - (It appears that Alaska is controlled by Japan) - The Canadian Confederation seeks to undermine Japan's hold on Alaska by clandestinely funding the smuggling of weaponry, moonshine, and other goods to miners, fur trappers, Indigenous Peoples or other Canadians and non-Japanese in Alaska in hopes of driving Japan back from the continent.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Canada is a wild land, from the shores of Cape Breton to the great forests of British Columbia, the people of Canada are similar in many ways, making their lives from what the land gives them, to a distrust of most of their immediate neighbours, such as the anarchism that consumed the Americans and destroyed their fledging nation separating it into so many states. Fierce patriotism and love of the King throughout most of the nation, save for the French.
Religion: Majority Protestant, with a Roman Catholic minority in Quebec and small amounts of Indigenous beliefs.
Ethnicity: Anglo-Canadian, Scotch-Canadian, Irish-Canadian, Welsh-Canadian, French-Canada
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Anglo-Canadian, French-Canadian
Other Cultures: First-Nations, Metis, Inuit, Ukrainian, German, Italian, American, other European immigrants.

Military Info
Army: (branches, number of troops, quality of army, etc,)
• Canadian Militia - 41,000 active 89,000 reserve
• Royal North West Mounted Infantry - 11,000 active
• Royal Canadian Infantry - 32,000 regular 41,000 reserve
Navy: 11 cruisers, 1 third-rate

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Canada is not a very industrialized state, primarily the economy is based on raw-resources; fur-trapping, farming, mining, timber, and other such goods.
Goals: Defence of Canada and the growing of the Canadian economy and the greater economy of the Empire. Creating a buffer zone between the Department of Louisiana and Canada. Supporting a revolt in Alaska and acquiring the land for the Empire.
History:
The first peoples to Canada were the Indigenous Peoples, coming to the continent thousands of years ago and remained without European contact until the Viking's arrived and were turned away, remaining without European contact till the French explorer Jacques Cartier explored the Gulf of St. Lawrence and the St. Lawrence River through his three expeditions beginning in 1534. The first French settlements in Canada were created by Samuel Champlain with the founding of Port-Royal in 1605 and subsequently became the Father of New France. Followed closely by the British who established the Hudson Bay Company, one of the oldest in Canada.

Fast forwarding several years to the Seven Years War which resulted in the British conquest of Lower Canada with the conquest upon the Fields of Abraham and the death of General James Wolfe. The 'Annus Mirabilis' proved to be short-lived with the bankrupting of the British and forcing them to enforce taxes upon the thirteen colonies and resulting in the American Revolution. The revolutionaries attempted to conquer Canada several times and were turned back each time. Once the Treaty of Paris was signed, many Loyalists emigrated to Canada, fleeing the post-revolutionary violence that came with being the defeated, the benefit of this being that it nearly tripled the population of Canada and provided her with a population that could help construct an economy capable of standing on her two feet and being an important colony of Great Britain, worthy of protection.

The fall of the United States was a surprise to many in Canada, her shortlived life proved that the rule of the Crown was a great deterrent to anarchism and destruction, the Canadian Confederation found a brother in the Laurentine Confederation, that had also stuck with the Crown, on account of the British garrisons. Sir Isaac Brock arrived in Canada in 1811 to construct the Canadian Militia and to create a series of defences for the Canadian borderlands with the Americas, while frustrated with the fact he was stuck in Canada while the Napoleonic wars raged, he made the Canadian Militia into a force to be able to fight the bandits and border crossers from the former United States.

In 1837 the rebellions of Upper and Lower Canada resulted in the successful putting down of the revolt and several reforms that granted Canada greater autonomy. Further expansion westward and greatly expanded the nation, creating several sizable settlements, from the Maritimes to the Red Wood forests of British Columbia, and southwards to Oregonian Willamette valley and the frozen north, the time to Confederate had become obvious, and upon July 1st, 1867 Canada became a Dominion. And the first motion was to create a railroad from sea to sea, finally being completed in 1885.

Seeking to further economic growth, and with the benefit of the Canadian Pacific Railway, the Canadian Parliament passed the Frontier Act of 1887 that promised 300 acres of land to single men (or 600 acres of land to married couples) of anyone that could clear the land and create a successful farm in Alberta, Saskatchewan or Manitoba. This act resulted in high population growth and the settling of the prairie regions. In the North, several gold rushes in the 1880's had populated the Yukon territory (and the Klondike region in particular). The Royal Northwest Mounted Infantry was formed to patrol the Northern Territories and received a reputation for ruthlessness and efficiency, their unofficial motto becoming 'The Mounties always get their man.' They as well had another mission, with the Canadian government being uncomfortable with the Japanese controlling Alaska they were tasked with supplying fur trappers, gold miners, and other such undesirables who sought their fortune stealing from Japanese Alaska with firearms, ammunition, moonshine, dogs, food any good needed to survive in the bush in an attempt to provide annoyance to the Japanese government and cause them to expend resources in dealing with the quick moving targets.

In the year 1903, enemies surround Canada, but also friends. No one knows what the new century holds for the nation, her majesty Queen Victoria has passed and has been replaced by her son Edward, what the impact this has is in the hands of the creator.

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Region and Number: Midwest, 29.
Nation Name: Laurentian Confederation
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Generic Info
Nation Name: Confederate States of America
Symbols:
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COA Anthem
Location: 34
Population: 12,000,000
Capital City: Philadelphia

Government Info
Government Type: Presidential Federal Republic
Brief Explanation of Government:
The Executive branch is headed by the President, who is assisted by the Vice President and his Cabinet. The Legislative branch is split into two parts. The first part is the Senate, composed of 100 Senators, 20 from each of the five states. The second part of the Legislative Branch is the House of Representatives, made up of 355 Representatives of districts from all five states. Lastly is the Judicial Branch, which is made up of nine Justices who decide the constitutionality of court cases. All three branches have checks and balances on one another, keeping from any one branch becoming too powerful.

Ideology: Modern Republicanism
Leader/s: President Alton B. Parker
Relations

Pro:

France: The Confederate States approves of France due to their democratic views. The CSA wishes to continue positive relations with the Republic for the foreseeable future.

Laurentian Confederation: Citizens of the CSA have mixed views of their Western neighbor. The CSA government currently tries to maintain peaceful relations with the Confederation as a two front war with them and Virginia would be disastrous for the States.

Republic of Georgia: Despite the desire of many CSA citizens to see the Republic reign from Maine to Florida, the government sees Georgia as a useful counter to the Kingdom of Virginia. The President is planning to soon send to Georgia asking for a formal military alliance.

Anti:

Republic of Vermont: The CSA does not consider it a legitimate state.

Republic of New Hampshire: The CSA does not consider it a legitimate state.

Serene Republic of New York: The CSA does not consider it a legitimate state.

Republic of Massachusetts: The CSA does not consider it a legitimate state.

Kingdom of Virginia and the Carolinas: The CSA's main rival. The CSA views the Kingdom as an insult to the Revolution to free America from Monarchic rule. However, the CSA is somewhat terrified of the Kingdom's military capabilities.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: Mainly White Americans. The country was founded on immigrants. People from all over Europe come to the CSA to start a new life. However the people are slightly suspicious towards newcomers, especially Irish Catholics.
Religion: Protestant Christianity
Ethnicity: Majority is Anglo-Saxon, but we have large amounts of German, Scandinavian, all different European immigrants.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Basically anyone White
Other Cultures: Non-whites. Irish Catholics are looked at a little weird too.

Military Info
Army: 200,000. 120,00 active and 80,000 reserves. Decently trained troops. Definitely below European standards but not horribly outdated. Modern-day weapons and equipment. Split into three main Army Groups.

Army Group A: Stationed at the city of Albany, this group consist of 25,000 men and is designed to be used in an offensive capability against the Republic of Vermont or the Serene Republic of New York. This group is the most trained of the three, prepared at any time to push to New York or Montpelier in seven days.

Army Group B: Stationed in Pittsburgh, this group consists of 30,000 men and is designed to strike the Western flank of the Kingdom of Virginia and the Carolinas. The group would push into West Virginia and try to cut a line right through the nation all the way to the border with Georgia.

Army Group C: The largest of the three, this group is stationed along the Potomac and consists of 65,000 men. This force is designed to be the main force to combat the Virginian Kingdom in the event of a war. Upon the outbreak of war this force would push immediately south in an effort to take Richmond.

Navy: 40,000. 18,000 active sailors, 14,000 reserve sailors, 4,500 active Marines and 3,500 reserve Marines. Not the greatest Navy in the world. Ships include 25 destroyers, 3 battleships,15 cruisers, and several dozen patrol boats in Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. Also a few transport ships for the Marines.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Completely Capitalist. Socialism/Communism are extremely stigmatized and viewed negative in the CSA. A good mixture of industry from New York and New Jersey mixed with the agriculture of Pennsylvania. Exports from the Potomac mainly go to France and other European nations.
Goals: Take over all of North-East USA, maintain friendly relations with France. Create an alliance with Georgia. And keep Virginia in check.
History:
-1770: Boston Massacre

-1773: Boston Tea Party

-1775: Battles of Lexington and Concord, American War of Independence begins

-1776: 13 Colonies declare independence

-1781: General Cornwallis surrenders at Yorktown, British offensive action in North America ends

-1783: Peace of Paris, United States becomes independent nation

-1786-1787: Shay's Rebellion in Massachusetts shows first failures of Articles of Confederation

-1788-1794: Several states declare independence from the United States, leaving only half of New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Maryland and Delaware as the United States.

1795-1800: The remaining states of the U.S. scramble to figure out what to do, they decide to abandon the idea of the United States and create the Confederate States of America on September 17th, 1800. This date becomes known as Confederation Day.

-1805: The first Constitution of the CSA is penned. It creates a basis for the presidency but no checks or balances.

-1812: George Clinton dies, Daniel Tomkins becomes the next President of the CSA.

-1825: Tomkins dies. The Constitution is edited making Presidential elections every four years starting 1828.

-1836: The extremely close 1836 election leads to tensions after it has to be decided by Congress. Bickering of anti-New York sentiment is heard in Maryland and Delaware.

-1842: A riot breaks out in Philadelphia after a anti-government gathering is attacked by Police.

-1848: The CSA Civil War begins. Anti-government forces storm Philadelphia. Pro-government forces gather in Syracuse NY.

-1851: The War end with a peace treaty.

-1855: The current CSA constitution is penned. Anti-government sentiment dies down.

-1870: The CSA government begins to re-embrace the idea of the United States of America, spreading ideas of a reborn U.S.A. among the populace

-1885: Crisis when a CSA ship explodes off the coast of the Serene Republic of New York. The CSA government begins showing the NY Republic in a negative light.




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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Nation Name: Russian Empire - 8
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:27 pm

Rodez wrote:
The New Kargintina wrote:The USA fell apart during the Articles of Confederation era, the rest is up to you.

Liecthenbourg wrote:Realistically, its just for flavour and interest in the swath of republics on the Eastern Seaboard. Think of it perhaps as the elements of US society that weren't completely lost in amore to royalty: disaffected majorly by the failures of the Articles of Confederation.

Interesting. I could have some fun with a dynasty of the Randolphs or Lees, but Russia is a big player and hasn't been taken yet, so I'm gonna go ahead and snag that.

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The World Capitalist Confederation wrote:Region and Number: Midwest, 29.
Nation Name: Laurentian Confederation
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Nation Name: Russian Empire - 8
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Noted.

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Postby Elerian » Sun Jan 27, 2019 6:29 pm

Liecthenbourg wrote:-Snip-


Eh, Liec, Rodez and Insea are trying to reserve Russia.
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Postby Krugmar » Sun Jan 27, 2019 7:14 pm

Elerian wrote:
Liecthenbourg wrote:-Snip-


Eh, Liec, Rodez and Insea are trying to reserve Russia.


I think the system is that any party can reserve and app for the same nation, and both apps will be compared, with the one that is higher quality winning. If one doesn't complete theirs in sufficient time, or request further time, then the other is judged by merit alone.
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Postby The Industrial States of Columbia » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:48 pm

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Nation Name: Laurentian Confederation
Symbols: The Flag, God Save the King, Official Anthem, Mine Eyes Have Seen the Glory, popular local song, unofficial anthem of Laurentia.
Location: 29
Population: 14.865.000 souls
Capital City: Victoria (Irl Grand Rapids), Prophetstown (Lafayette, Indiana) capital of Indian Country.

Government Info
Government Type: Dominion Government, Confederal Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Laurentia is a Dominion of the United Kingdom, and as such its foreign affairs and military are under the control of Britannia. The Parliament of Laurentia is comprised of the King, a House of Commons which is the lower house, and a Senate which is the Upper. In addition to these, a First People's Senate manages affairs and legislation more specific to Indian Country. Executive power is vested in the Monarch, represented by a Governor General. Parliament maintains the authority to create federal courts, while provincial legislatures and the First People's Senate manage the creation of courts at a more local level.
Ideology:-Conservatives: Conservatism, Protectionism -Liberals: Classical Liberalism, Free Market -Progressives: Radical Progressivism, Collective Economics, Trade Unionism
Leader/s:HRH Edward VI, King of the United Kingdom and the British Dominions, Emperor of India,
Prime Minister Russel A. Alger
Governor General Julius C. Burrows
Minister of Indian Country Horatio Makede-binesi
Relations The Confederation maintains amicable ties with its mother Britannia and its brother on the continent, Canada, having extensive commercial ties with both nations. Laurentia also tries to keep friendly relations with her other neighbours, as an industrial realm, war would hurt her greatly. Still, the Confederation holds a deep distaste for Louisiana, and a wary attitude against both the Confederate States of America and Virginia.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people:The people of Laurentia are a productive bunch, with commerce and industry defining the nation and the population. A great sense of pride is also taken in Laurentia's Native American character.
Religion: Most peoples of Laurentia follow some sort of Protestant Denomination, with missionaries making successful headway in Indian Country. Catholicism has major footholds in the larger cities, as well as many of the communities along the Mississippi.
Ethnicity: Anglo-Laurentians and Scottish-Laurentians make up the majority of the population in most areas, while Native American groups dominate in Northern Michigan, Wisconsin, and Indiana. Pockets of Irish exist following the famines of the mid 19th century, some of them still maintaining their native tongue.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Anglo-Laurentian, Scottish-Laurentian, Irish-Laurentian, Native Laurentian Cultures.
Other Cultures: Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey, Bratwurst Eating Surrender Monkey, in general most immigrant groups that aren't from the British isles are expected to conform or fade away.

Military Info
Army: 100.000 men comprise Laurentia's standing army, with a further million to be counted on as reserves in the event of a conflict. 60.000 are assigned to the Army of the Mississippi, while 20.000 men are assigned to both the Army of Ohio and the Army of Indiana. The army, while large and well equipped, suffers from the fact that most of its soldiers have never seen combat, and thus maintain a naive optimism on the nature of war that would hinder them in the event of an actual conflict.
Navy: Laurentia maintains a few small vessels on the Great Lakes, though it hopes never to have to use them. The Mississippi is another matter, and the Confederation hosts a number of small brown water ships in its river cities, intended to secure the river in the event of conflict with Louisiana or Virginia and to prevent possible French troops from being to sail up to its coastline.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy:Laurentia boasts an impressive economy, with abundant coal supporting a large industrial complex, with the Great Lakes providing a convenient way to transport manufactured goods to cities not already linked by rail. This explosive economic growth has come with a cost, with the industrial poor increasingly seeking to organize and better the poor hand they have been dealt in the wake of the great games of the captains of industry.
Goals: Cars, prepare against the great enemy to the west, build up ever more industry.
History: Following the dissolution of the United States through the late 1700s, large tracts of North America collapsed into chaos. British garrisons in Ohio held their positions, however, the tide of refugees from the East soon became overwhelming, and the British troops could do little to stem their flow. Most of the refugees settled in Ohio and Michigan Conflict inevitably broke out, as the settlers and refugees encroached on lands held by the Native Americans. This came to a head in 1809 with the Battle of Fort Jacob, leaving dozens dead on both sides. Both the Native Americans and the Settlers requested aid from the Crown, and the conflict seemed destined to spiral out of control.

However, cooler heads prevailed, owing to the shrewd diplomacy of Tecumseh and the British authorities. A treaty was finally signed in 1810 between the fueding parties, dividing the lands of the Great Lakes region between the Native Americans and the settlers, proclaiming protection over both the Indians and the Laurentians, and ensuring peace for the future.

In 1811, a delegation of Laurentian and Virginian representatives met in Norfolk, formally delineating the border between the two lands at the Ohio River. Conversely, the border with the Confederate States remained complicated into the 1870s, when surveyors finally established roughly the modern territorial boundaries of Laurentia there.

The 40s and early 50s saw a large diaspora of the Irish, which soon found their way into the fabric of Laurentian society, with many retaining the language of their home in their new communities.

By the 1850s, the lines formerly drawn between the Native Americans and European settlers had mostly broken down, aided heavily by the proselytizing of protestant missionaries, which united many of the people in common faith.

The 1860s saw the rapid rise of an industrial economy, with railways connecting major cities and factories supplying ever more manufactured goods to the peoples of Laurentia and the Empire. Lumber, furs, and mined goods were shipped to the great workshops of the South, and Laurentia saw an explosive growth in population.

In 1867, the strain of direct rule from London became apparent, and Laurentia petitioned the British government for Confederation, granted in the British North America acts the summer of that year. Ideological differences regarding the treatment of Native Americans saw Laurentia confederate separately from Canada, establishing a separate First People's Senate to help regulate tribal affairs. Grand Rapids, optimally placed in the Center of the Confederation, was renamed Victoria D.L and selected as the capital of the new dominion.

-Something something progressive era

The following decades have seen massive growth of industry, population, and wealth in the Confederation, and many believe with these boons that Laurentia should, with Britain's blessing, endeavour to guide her American cousins back into the fold of the Empire. For all must know the glory of Britannia...
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Also whoever did the maps forgot to slap a number on Yunnan Province or include it on the nation list unless its under the control of someone else.
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Postby Rygondria » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:00 am

Anyone have any idea's for an acceptable population for Georgia ?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Jan 28, 2019 7:16 am

Rygondria wrote:Anyone have any idea's for an acceptable population for Georgia ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... population

Just add up all the territory you have, I say!
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Postby Liecthenbourg » Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:09 am

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Rygondria wrote:Anyone have any idea's for an acceptable population for Georgia ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U ... population

Just add up all the territory you have, I say!

And you say correctly! Give or take in either direction, usually. :p
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