1955: The lonely Peace ( Alt, Open, OOC )

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Sweden has some jets, eg:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen

Btw, OP’s allowed me to get tech from across the entire 50s then just during/before ‘55, yo account for tech advancement from War

Watcha want from me?

You could buy them?

Or some additional machine tools and industrial material?

[Greater Liverpool]

He’s coop?

Uh, no, I’m not coop

Oh I thought you was, that was why you was reviewing my application. Sorry bout that.

[Revlona]

The premise of the RP, though, is that Europe in general is a smoking wreck kicked halfway to the Dark Ages, such that weird cults have taken over in Britain and Eastern Europe is as chaotic as warlord China. If you have a working economy at the end of it, you are ahead of the curve - never mind any equipment that would already have been cutting-edge before western civilization was brought to the brink of collapse.

No offence it makes less sense for me to be steaming pile of shit according to the RP and like I said Jets were around in 1943-1944 and It is not like there will be loads in my airforce anyway most will still be prop planes.

Jets were around in 43-44 in the terms that they were super experimental you’d have to take it up with the op


Because the entire rp is based off everyone who was in the war being very recked

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

The premise of the RP, though, is that Europe in general is a smoking wreck kicked halfway to the Dark Ages, such that weird cults have taken over in Britain and Eastern Europe is as chaotic as warlord China. If you have a working economy at the end of it, you are ahead of the curve - never mind any equipment that would already have been cutting-edge before western civilization was brought to the brink of collapse.

No offence it makes less sense for me to be steaming pile of shit according to the RP and like I said Jets were around in 1943-1944 and It is not like there will be loads in my airforce anyway most will still be prop planes.

I mean I would think after the invasion of Britain, the USSR and Africa Italy is pretty exhausted

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Uh, no, I’m not coop

Oh I thought you was, that was why you was reviewing my application. Sorry bout that.

No, just giving suggestions

[Greater Liverpool]

No offence it makes less sense for me to be steaming pile of shit according to the RP and like I said Jets were around in 1943-1944 and It is not like there will be loads in my airforce anyway most will still be prop planes.

I mean I would think after the invasion of Britain, the USSR and Africa Italy is pretty exhausted

Yeah I know that, but there is a difference between being exhausted and being basically destroyed due to a military campaign happening through your lands.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

No offence it makes less sense for me to be steaming pile of shit according to the RP and like I said Jets were around in 1943-1944 and It is not like there will be loads in my airforce anyway most will still be prop planes.

Jets were around in 43-44 in the terms that they were super experimental you’d have to take it up with the op


Because the entire rp is based off everyone who was in the war being very recked

Well not exactly, the concept of the jet engine had been around since the 30s, and the first jet was created in 1939, it was just jet FIGHTERS that weren’t a thing till 43-45, and that was mainly because Hitler thought them unessecary (the Me-263 could’ve been launched in around 42-43)

[Grand Indochina]

Do you guys think we need some nations in East Asia, Middle East and Indian Subcontinent ?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I mean I would think after the invasion of Britain, the USSR and Africa Italy is pretty exhausted

Yeah I know that, but there is a difference between being exhausted and being basically destroyed due to a military campaign happening through your lands.

I would think maybe Italy was heavily bombed too? Since non of Africa or the rest Of the Allied territories in the Mediterranean fell in this timeline

[Revlona]

Sweden has some jets, eg:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen

Btw, OP’s allowed me to get tech from across the entire 50s then just during/before ‘55, yo account for tech advancement from War

Watcha want from me?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Do you guys think we need some nations in East Asia, Middle East and Indian Subcontinent ?

Variety would be nice

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Watcha want from me?

I mean what could you as Brazil provide me?

[Revlona]

I mean what could you as Brazil provide me?

Warmth

[Reverend Norv]

It's worth noting that Israel probably doesn't recognize the Scandinavian Empire, since it collaborated with Germany during the war and is therefore viewed by the Knesset as complicit in Hitler's crimes.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

It's worth noting that Israel probably doesn't recognize the Scandinavian Empire, since it collaborated with Germany during the war and is therefore viewed by the Knesset as complicit in Hitler's crimes.

As a nationstate? I don’t see why we’d want to cooperate with a Communist sympathiser anyways

Jewish, we’re just fine (one of the biggest things we had against Germany was how we were taking in so many Jews for asylum, as well as others), but working with the commies? You’re dead to me mate

[Reverend Norv]

It's worth noting that Israel probably doesn't recognize the Scandinavian Empire, since it collaborated with Germany during the war and is therefore viewed by the Knesset as complicit in Hitler's crimes.

As a nationstate? I don’t see why we’d want to cooperate with a Communist sympathiser anyways

Jewish, we’re just fine (one of the biggest things we had against Germany was how we were taking in so many Jews for asylum, as well as others), but working with the commies? You’re dead to me mate

Not as a nationstate; as a government. Israel holds to what one might describe as a very early version of the "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine: a regime that contributes to genocide forfeits its legitimacy, and the world is under no further obligation to accept it as a legal sovereign. As for the issue of diplomacy, Israel is a liberal democracy in a tough neighborhood. It takes its friends where it can find them.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

As a nationstate? I don’t see why we’d want to cooperate with a Communist sympathiser anyways

Jewish, we’re just fine (one of the biggest things we had against Germany was how we were taking in so many Jews for asylum, as well as others), but working with the commies? You’re dead to me mate

Not as a nationstate; as a government. Israel holds to what one might describe as a very early version of the "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine: a regime that contributes to genocide forfeits its legitimacy, and the world is under no further obligation to accept it as a legal sovereign. As for the issue of diplomacy, Israel is a liberal democracy in a tough neighborhood. It takes its friends where it can find them.

We'll see, but I would just like to say that by my estimates a potential of around 30,000-50,000 Jews could be living in the Empire now

Not to mention how we purged all the extreme racial right-wing (eg: arresting Birger Furugård and dissolving the Swedish Nationalist Socialist Party)

[Joohan]

The premise of the RP, though, is that Europe in general is a smoking wreck kicked halfway to the Dark Ages, such that weird cults have taken over in Britain and Eastern Europe is as chaotic as warlord China. If you have a working economy at the end of it, you are ahead of the curve - never mind any equipment that would already have been cutting-edge before western civilization was brought to the brink of collapse.

No offence it makes less sense for me to be steaming pile of shit according to the RP and like I said Jets were around in 1943-1944 and It is not like there will be loads in my airforce anyway most will still be prop planes.

Your app is accepted, and your tech is fine.

Edit: But your political stability should be down. There are no doubt still tons of fascists and Mussolini admirers all over your country, not to mention plenty of conservatives opposed to the new constitution.

And your military should be smaller.

[Joohan]

And I really hated my post. Especially that bit about the pipe. It totally kills the rebuilding hell hole vibe I had in mind for Serbia.

Imma edit it right now.

[Reverend Norv]

Not as a nationstate; as a government. Israel holds to what one might describe as a very early version of the "Responsibility to Protect" doctrine: a regime that contributes to genocide forfeits its legitimacy, and the world is under no further obligation to accept it as a legal sovereign. As for the issue of diplomacy, Israel is a liberal democracy in a tough neighborhood. It takes its friends where it can find them.

We'll see, but I would just like to say that by my estimates a potential of around 30,000-50,000 Jews could be living in the Empire now

Not to mention how we purged all the extreme racial right-wing (eg: arresting Birger Furugård and dissolving the Swedish Nationalist Socialist Party)

I get that, but look at it from the Israeli perspective. The Empire fought alongside Germany to invade Russia and defend German conquests in Britain and France. By doing so, it helped Germany to acquire and control vast swathes of territory - territory where the Germans exterminated millions of Jews.

If you help a man break into a house, and the man then kills the family living there, you are an accomplice to the murder: even if you didn’t actually pull the trigger, even if you tried to persuade the murderer not to do it. You knew he was a murderer, and still helped him break into a house. What did you think was going to happen?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

We'll see, but I would just like to say that by my estimates a potential of around 30,000-50,000 Jews could be living in the Empire now

Not to mention how we purged all the extreme racial right-wing (eg: arresting Birger Furugård and dissolving the Swedish Nationalist Socialist Party)

I get that, but look at it from the Israeli perspective. The Empire fought alongside Germany to invade Russia and defend German conquests in Britain and France. By doing so, it helped Germany to acquire and control vast swathes of territory - territory where the Germans exterminated millions of Jews.

If you help a man break into a house, and the man then kills the family living there, you are an accomplice to the murder: even if you didn’t actually pull the trigger, even if you tried to persuade the murderer not to do it. You knew he was a murderer, and still helped him break into a house. What did you think was going to happen?

Not much, just pointing it out

There may be a time to prove that

In the future, but for now, we'll see how it goes

[Conwy-Shire]

It's worth noting that Israel probably doesn't recognize the Scandinavian Empire, since it collaborated with Germany during the war and is therefore viewed by the Knesset as complicit in Hitler's crimes.

You'll have a lot of fun gnashing your teeth at OKW leadership then
But on a more serious note: Dresden is OKW-controlled, so there would be no SS-officers living there, nor any Polish partisans ready to kill them. The SS' main territories are Silesia, Bohemia, and Austria

[Reverend Norv]

It's worth noting that Israel probably doesn't recognize the Scandinavian Empire, since it collaborated with Germany during the war and is therefore viewed by the Knesset as complicit in Hitler's crimes.

You'll have a lot of fun gnashing your teeth at OKW leadership then
But on a more serious note: Dresden is OKW-controlled, so there would be no SS-officers living there, nor any Polish partisans ready to kill them. The SS' main territories are Silesia, Bohemia, and Austria

I’ll fix the post in an hour or so. I wasn’t sure where the battle lines were.

EDIT: also, the Polish partisans were Palmach operatives. I thought that was implied by the subsequent part of the post. A lot of Israelis Holocaust survivors were born in Jewish communities in Poland.

[Reverend Norv]

I get that, but look at it from the Israeli perspective. The Empire fought alongside Germany to invade Russia and defend German conquests in Britain and France. By doing so, it helped Germany to acquire and control vast swathes of territory - territory where the Germans exterminated millions of Jews.

If you help a man break into a house, and the man then kills the family living there, you are an accomplice to the murder: even if you didn’t actually pull the trigger, even if you tried to persuade the murderer not to do it. You knew he was a murderer, and still helped him break into a house. What did you think was going to happen?

Not much, just pointing it out

There may be a time to prove that

In the future, but for now, we'll see how it goes

In answer to the question that you deleted: my mother's family is Jewish, which makes me a Jew by Talmudic law, though I personally do not practice. I consider myself Jewish by ethnicity, history, and tradition rather than by religion, and I attend an Episcopal church. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have about Jewish history.

As to being offended: I have a thick skin. But speaking as a trained historian, I think it's important in stories like this to be honest about the fact that the myth of the clean Wehrmacht is just that: a myth. Sure, not all German soldiers were Nazis. And yes, some German officers even tried to kill Hitler. But in the end, they did that because they believed that Hitler was hurting Germans, and Germany. When the only people suffering were Jews, Poles, Roma, homosexuals, and other "undesirables," there was no movement in the German military to overthrow the Fuhrer.

More damning still, the Holocaust was not kept secret from the Wehrmacht or its Axis allies. During Operation Barbarossa, einsatzgruppen and sonderkommando units moved up directly behind the main combat force, corralling and massacring civilians as they went. This happened in clear view of ordinary German troops, and yet there was not a single major case in which Wehrmacht personnel refused orders or attempted to intervene. They knew, and let it happen.

This is why, both as a Jew and as a student of history, I believe it's really important to insist on the culpability of everyone who served the Axis powers. That doesn't mean that every German soldier was evil to the core. People cannot be reduced to the worst mistake they've ever made, and redemption is possible for almost everyone. But it does mean that everyone who served the Axis powers was an accomplice - willing or unwilling, witting or unwitting - to the greatest crime in human history. If we obfuscate that fact, even in a work of fiction like this one, then we become nothing but the most recent accomplices to Hitler's crimes - because we are allowing the culpability of those who committed them to be concealed and forgotten.

[Reverend Norv]

You'll have a lot of fun gnashing your teeth at OKW leadership then
But on a more serious note: Dresden is OKW-controlled, so there would be no SS-officers living there, nor any Polish partisans ready to kill them. The SS' main territories are Silesia, Bohemia, and Austria

I’ll fix the post in an hour or so. I wasn’t sure where the battle lines were.

EDIT: also, the Polish partisans were Palmach operatives. I thought that was implied by the subsequent part of the post. A lot of Israelis Holocaust survivors were born in Jewish communities in Poland.

On a lighter note, I've now fixed this to be Prague instead of Dresden.