1955: The lonely Peace ( Alt, Open, OOC )

[Revlona]

I don’t know if I want an American military base in my territory

Brazil could refuse, I'm expecting a number of US foreign policy blunders.

For a future post: can I assume that Peres will meet with David Bruce in Washington, and Dayan with Velouhiotis in Constantinople? Robo-Nixon and Nea Byzantia, you two can feel free to write the opening of those meetings: Bruce welcoming Peres to his office, Velouhiotis inviting Dayan to sit down, that sort of thing.

Got it chief. Aiming to have my next post up Friday.

Probably gonna wait for Argentina to respond before I do

[Reverend Norv]

So, a UBSR-Israeli Alliance? Sure, as long as I get to Damascus, I'm happy; and maybe we can take on Serbia together?

Pretty much. Peres' idea is to use the USBR as a counterweight to Israel's Arab neighbors, a deterrent against a future Arab attack on Israel. If the Union wants to expand into Arab territory itself, it could count on Israel's tacit support. And since Serbian nationalism has rarely been kind to Jews living in the Balkans, Israel would also support the Union in any defensive war against Serbia.

Now, the extent of this support is limited. Even with extensive conscription, Israel is a small country, and it needs its troops at home. But it has a perfect military record, advanced industry, a great air force, and probably the highest level of military quality in the region. So in any conflict, while it can't offer the USBR whole divisions of ground troops, it can offer modern arms, excellent air support, and - most importantly - first-rate advisers and trainers who will make the Union's own forces much more effective in combat.

[Nea Byzantia]

So, a UBSR-Israeli Alliance? Sure, as long as I get to Damascus, I'm happy; and maybe we can take on Serbia together?

Pretty much. Peres' idea is to use the USBR as a counterweight to Israel's Arab neighbors, a deterrent against a future Arab attack on Israel. If the Union wants to expand into Arab territory itself, it could count on Israel's tacit support. And since Serbian nationalism has rarely been kind to Jews living in the Balkans, Israel would also support the Union in any defensive war against Serbia.

Now, the extent of this support is limited. Even with extensive conscription, Israel is a small country, and it needs its troops at home. But it has a perfect military record, advanced industry, a great air force, and probably the highest level of military quality in the region. So in any conflict, while it can't offer the USBR whole divisions of ground troops, it can offer modern arms, excellent air support, and - most importantly - first-rate advisers and trainers who will make the Union's own forces much more effective in combat.

Advisors and Trainers would be the ideal.

[Greater Liverpool]

Nation Application
NS name: Greater Liverpool
Nation Name: The Italian Republic
Location in the world: Italy, Sardinia, Rhodes, Malta
Leader/s: Consul Giuseppe Castellano, Proconsul Aurelio Federico

Population: 47,921,080
Political Stability on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
Description of Government: Parliamentary Democracy
Flag:

Capital: Milan (De Facto), Rome (De Jure)

Economic prosperity on a scale of 1 to 5: 3
Agrarian or industrialized state: Industrialized but slightly trailing behind most of the world powers in terms of Industry
Role of Women in society : Equal to men according to the Corpus iuris Italiae (Body of Law of Italy/ Italian Constitution)

Active military troop count ( separate by branches ): 941,765
Army: 389,135
Navy: 312,450
Air Force: 240,180
Total possible troop count: 4,760,000
Average age of soldier: 23
Are your troops more tactical or fanatical? Tactical
Are your troops more organized or unconventional? Organized
Is your doctrine bold or cautious? Cautious
Average soldier on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
A general run down of your equipment:

Main Rifle (Being phased out): Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39, New Rifle: Beretta Bm 57 (Similar FN FAL), Machine gun: Breda 47, Sub-Machine Gun: Beretta Model 38, Rocket Launcher: Bazooka

MBT: Centurione Mk1 (Similar to the Centuarion)

Jets: Fiat G.80

General Overview: Italy has learnt from its mistakes and its officers and Generals are ready for the modern war that will come.

Enemies?: Union of Balkan Socialist Republics, SS Germany

Nation's history: After the nuclear attack on Sicily by the hands of the German menace, the Italian people declared that they have had enough suffering by the hands of the Germans and their puppet Mussolini. The Army outraged, the people ready to rebel only a small group of Military officers came to the aid of Italy. The Third Triumvirate lead by General Giuseppe Castellano would start a military Coup d'état against Mussolini and fascist party. March 30th 1946 would go down in history as one of the bloodiest days in Italian history as Giuseppe Castellano, Giovanni Messe and Pietro Badoglio would use the Italian Army to systematically purge the Italian nation of all Fascist elements, it started with the Public execution of Mussolini in the Piazza del Popolo, alongside top ranking Fascists. The Third Triumvirate was successful in gathering most of the support of the Army as after the attack on Sicily many now resented the Fascists. Around 2,000 were killed on that day and the following day and with the Royal family fearing for their lives they exiled themselves to Spain resulting in a complete collapse of Government, however the Triumvirate was able to maintain control of the country and quickly put into place members of loyal to a new Italy.

By 4th April 1946 the country had returned to some sense of reasonable order with the Armed forces maintaining but also promises of Freedom, Democracy and an end to the war for the people of Italy. Many soldiers on the front lines began to leave with their units as an order was issued for all soldiers to return home. This angered the Germans but not much could be down as if Germany was to attack Italy then the whole of Southern Germany would be open for attack. Giuseppe Castellano and Pietro Badoglio got about setting up new administration of the country and making sure that things return to normal and still using the Armed forces to keep order. Giovanni Messe would also set up a government in Milan with the goal of having Italy become a Republic, but not just any Republic. No Messe would set about restoring the pride of the Italian People and as such the government he had set up like the name of his group would be based on the Roman Republic. He famously said "The second Triumvirate lead to the end of the Republic, today the Third Triumvirate would restore the Republic almost 2000 years after its fall." However the Republic needed to be modernized, extended suffrage of both sexes where given as well as secularization, all this would become the Italian Constitution or Corpus iuris Italiae, the Body of Law of Italy.

By the end of May most Italian troops had returned home and where beginning to be demobilized. The Third Triumvirate would officially declare on July 1st the Italian Republic with Giuseppe Castellano as Consul and Aurelio Federico a former Partisan rebel as Proconsul. On July 4th Italy would leave the Rome-Berlin Axis and announce a complete cease fire of all Italian forces, on July 11th Italy would officially end its war and became a Neutral power. Consul Castellano was quick to spot the new opportunities that had arose now, with Italy Neutral and being where it was it could supply both sides of the war and make a profit from it. Italy at the beginning lacked the industrial capacity of the other world powers massively, to counter this the new Italian government embarked on a campaign of national industrialization promising to supply the allies with guns and ammunition. As Italy was only ever attacked in Sicily this meant that much richer and industrialized North could in effect still make large quantities of weapons for the war effort.

As 1947 rolled around sweeping reforms were introduced to improve the Italian Economy. New rail networks, roads and factories began to spring up. Since the allies now had control of the Mediterranean sea, it allowed for Italian shipping to simply sail to its orders. America wanting to supply its troops in Africa and Europe, gave Italy a massive weapons contract which they supplied. The money was once again reinvested into but soon would stop as America pulled out from the war.

By 1950 and the end of the war Italy had pulled itself through with a bit of meat still on them. As fighting had never happened in Italy it had remained mostly untouched by the war with the exception of some cities which were bombed slightly. The people however felt different as they had still lost many in the war and families missing fathers, brothers and sons and yet nearly four years after the end of the war the wounds that Italy had endured were beginning to heal slightly and a new brighter Italy lay before them. The Italian Republic now believed that in this time of devastation, a peace was need and deserved it would take up the mission of protecting the people around it with promises of Protection to other nations in Southern Europe and a trade agreement with Spain which would help prop up both nations.
Theme: The Roman Eagle Marches on
Anything you'd like to add?:

[Bla Ary]

Looks like Wermacht Germany is claimed but not SS. What does the Wermacht have atm?

[Conwy-Shire]

Looks like Wermacht Germany is claimed but not SS. What does the Wermacht have atm?

The Wehrmacht has the upper hand in the Civil War, and the war will be coming to a close in the near future, but the SS are still a ferocious foe.

[Reverend Norv]

Looks like Wermacht Germany is claimed but not SS. What does the Wermacht have atm?

The Wehrmacht has the upper hand in the Civil War, and the war will be coming to a close in the near future, but the SS are still a ferocious foe.

Albeit that their leaders are constantly getting assassinated by Israel.

[Bla Ary]

The Wehrmacht has the upper hand in the Civil War, and the war will be coming to a close in the near future, but the SS are still a ferocious foe.

Albeit that their leaders are constantly getting assassinated by Israel.

...well I doubt the Wermacht will want to resolve things peacefully so we both can go about our buisness... what are france and Spain like this time of year?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Nation Application
NS name: Greater Liverpool
Nation Name: The Italian Republic
Location in the world: Italy, Sardinia, Rhodes, Malta
Leader/s: Consul Giuseppe Castellano, Proconsul Aurelio Federico

Population: 47,921,080
Political Stability on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
Description of Government: Parliamentary Democracy
Flag:

(Image)

Capital: Milan (De Facto), Rome (De Jure)

Economic prosperity on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
Agrarian or industrialized state: Industrialized but slightly trailing behind most of the world powers in terms of Industry
Role of Women in society : Equal to men according to the Corpus iuris Italiae (Body of Law of Italy/ Italian Constitution)

Active military troop count ( separate by branches ): 941,765
Army: 389,135
Navy: 312,450
Air Force: 240,180
Total possible troop count: 4,760,000
Average age of soldier: 23
Are your troops more tactical or fanatical? Tactical
Are your troops more organized or unconventional? Organized
Is your doctrine bold or cautious? Cautious
Average soldier on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
A general run down of your equipment:

Main Rifle (Being phased out): Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39, New Rifle: Beretta Bm 57 (Licensed copy of FN FAL), Machine gun: Breda 47, Sub-Machine Gun: Beretta Model 38, Rocket Launcher: Bazooka

MBT: Centurione Mk1 (A copy of the Centurion)

Jets: Fiat G.91, Aerfer Sagittario 2

General Overview: Italy has learnt from its mistakes and its officers and Generals are ready for the modern war that will come.

Enemies?: Union of Balkan Socialist Republics, SS Germany

Nation's history: After the nuclear attack on Sicily by the hands of the German menace, the Italian people declared that they have had enough suffering by the hands of the Germans and their puppet Mussolini. The Army outraged, the people ready to rebel only a small group of Military officers came to the aid of Italy. The Third Triumvirate lead by General Giuseppe Castellano would start a military Coup d'état against Mussolini and fascist party. March 30th 1946 would go down in history as one of the bloodiest days in Italian history as Giuseppe Castellano, Giovanni Messe and Pietro Badoglio would use the Italian Army to systematically purge the Italian nation of all Fascist elements, it started with the Public execution of Mussolini in the Piazza del Popolo, alongside top ranking Fascists. The Third Triumvirate was successful in gathering most of the support of the Army as after the attack on Sicily many now resented the Fascists. Around 2,000 were killed on that day and the following day and with the Royal family fearing for their lives they exiled themselves to Spain resulting in a complete collapse of Government, however the Triumvirate was able to maintain control of the country and quickly put into place members of loyal to a new Italy.

By 4th April 1946 the country had returned to some sense of reasonable order with the Armed forces maintaining but also promises of Freedom, Democracy and an end to the war for the people of Italy. Many soldiers on the front lines began to leave with their units as an order was issued for all soldiers to return home. This angered the Germans but not much could be down as if Germany was to attack Italy then the whole of Southern Germany would be open for attack. Giuseppe Castellano and Pietro Badoglio got about setting up new administration of the country and making sure that things return to normal and still using the Armed forces to keep order. Giovanni Messe would also set up a government in Milan with the goal of having Italy become a Republic, but not just any Republic. No Messe would set about restoring the pride of the Italian People and as such the government he had set up like the name of his group would be based on the Roman Republic. He famously said "The second Triumvirate lead to the end of the Republic, today the Third Triumvirate would restore the Republic almost 2000 years after its fall." However the Republic needed to be modernized, extended suffrage of both sexes where given as well as secularization, all this would become the Italian Constitution or Corpus iuris Italiae, the Body of Law of Italy.

By the end of May most Italian troops had returned home and where beginning to be demobilized. The Third Triumvirate would officially declare on July 1st the Italian Republic with Giuseppe Castellano as Consul and Aurelio Federico a former Partisan rebel as Proconsul. On July 4th Italy would leave the Rome-Berlin Axis and announce a complete cease fire of all Italian forces, on July 11th Italy would officially end its war and became a Neutral power. Consul Castellano was quick to spot the new opportunities that had arose now, with Italy Neutral and being where it was it could supply both sides of the war and make a profit from it. Italy at the beginning lacked the industrial capacity of the other world powers massively, to counter this the new Italian government embarked on a campaign of national industrialization promising to supply the allies with guns and ammunition. As Italy was only ever attacked in Sicily this meant that much richer and industrialized North could in effect still make large quantities of weapons for the war effort.

As 1947 rolled around sweeping reforms were introduced to improve the Italian Economy. New rail networks, roads and factories began to spring up. Since the allies now had control of the Mediterranean sea, it allowed for Italian shipping to simply sail to its orders. America wanting to supply its troops in Africa and Europe, gave Italy a massive weapons contract which they supplied. The money was once again reinvested into but soon would stop as America pulled out from the war.

By 1950 and the end of the war Italy had pulled itself through with a bit of meat still on them. As fighting had never happened in Italy it had remained mostly untouched by the war with the exception of some cities which were bombed slightly. The people however felt different as they had still lost many in the war and families missing fathers, brothers and sons and yet nearly four years after the end of the war the wounds that Italy had endured were beginning to heal slightly and a new brighter Italy lay before them. The Italian Republic now believed that in this time of devastation, a peace was need and deserved it would take up the mission of protecting the people around it with promises of Protection to other nations in Southern Europe and a trade agreement with Spain which would help prop up both nations.
Theme: The Roman Eagle Marches on
Anything you'd like to add?:

How would a very-recently up to Axis power like Italy get Centurion Tanks?

Same with the FN FAL since, because of the German occupation, I doubt it would’ve been made in this timeline

[Reverend Norv]

And jets, for that matter.

[Greater Liverpool]

Nation Application
NS name: Greater Liverpool
Nation Name: The Italian Republic
Location in the world: Italy, Sardinia, Rhodes, Malta
Leader/s: Consul Giuseppe Castellano, Proconsul Aurelio Federico

Population: 47,921,080
Political Stability on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
Description of Government: Parliamentary Democracy
Flag:

(Image)

Capital: Milan (De Facto), Rome (De Jure)

Economic prosperity on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
Agrarian or industrialized state: Industrialized but slightly trailing behind most of the world powers in terms of Industry
Role of Women in society : Equal to men according to the Corpus iuris Italiae (Body of Law of Italy/ Italian Constitution)

Active military troop count ( separate by branches ): 941,765
Army: 389,135
Navy: 312,450
Air Force: 240,180
Total possible troop count: 4,760,000
Average age of soldier: 23
Are your troops more tactical or fanatical? Tactical
Are your troops more organized or unconventional? Organized
Is your doctrine bold or cautious? Cautious
Average soldier on a scale of 1 to 5: 4
A general run down of your equipment:

Main Rifle (Being phased out): Fucile Armaguerra Mod. 39, New Rifle: Beretta Bm 57 (Licensed copy of FN FAL), Machine gun: Breda 47, Sub-Machine Gun: Beretta Model 38, Rocket Launcher: Bazooka

MBT: Centurione Mk1 (A copy of the Centurion)

Jets: Fiat G.91, Aerfer Sagittario 2

General Overview: Italy has learnt from its mistakes and its officers and Generals are ready for the modern war that will come.

Enemies?: Union of Balkan Socialist Republics, SS Germany

Nation's history: After the nuclear attack on Sicily by the hands of the German menace, the Italian people declared that they have had enough suffering by the hands of the Germans and their puppet Mussolini. The Army outraged, the people ready to rebel only a small group of Military officers came to the aid of Italy. The Third Triumvirate lead by General Giuseppe Castellano would start a military Coup d'état against Mussolini and fascist party. March 30th 1946 would go down in history as one of the bloodiest days in Italian history as Giuseppe Castellano, Giovanni Messe and Pietro Badoglio would use the Italian Army to systematically purge the Italian nation of all Fascist elements, it started with the Public execution of Mussolini in the Piazza del Popolo, alongside top ranking Fascists. The Third Triumvirate was successful in gathering most of the support of the Army as after the attack on Sicily many now resented the Fascists. Around 2,000 were killed on that day and the following day and with the Royal family fearing for their lives they exiled themselves to Spain resulting in a complete collapse of Government, however the Triumvirate was able to maintain control of the country and quickly put into place members of loyal to a new Italy.

By 4th April 1946 the country had returned to some sense of reasonable order with the Armed forces maintaining but also promises of Freedom, Democracy and an end to the war for the people of Italy. Many soldiers on the front lines began to leave with their units as an order was issued for all soldiers to return home. This angered the Germans but not much could be down as if Germany was to attack Italy then the whole of Southern Germany would be open for attack. Giuseppe Castellano and Pietro Badoglio got about setting up new administration of the country and making sure that things return to normal and still using the Armed forces to keep order. Giovanni Messe would also set up a government in Milan with the goal of having Italy become a Republic, but not just any Republic. No Messe would set about restoring the pride of the Italian People and as such the government he had set up like the name of his group would be based on the Roman Republic. He famously said "The second Triumvirate lead to the end of the Republic, today the Third Triumvirate would restore the Republic almost 2000 years after its fall." However the Republic needed to be modernized, extended suffrage of both sexes where given as well as secularization, all this would become the Italian Constitution or Corpus iuris Italiae, the Body of Law of Italy.

By the end of May most Italian troops had returned home and where beginning to be demobilized. The Third Triumvirate would officially declare on July 1st the Italian Republic with Giuseppe Castellano as Consul and Aurelio Federico a former Partisan rebel as Proconsul. On July 4th Italy would leave the Rome-Berlin Axis and announce a complete cease fire of all Italian forces, on July 11th Italy would officially end its war and became a Neutral power. Consul Castellano was quick to spot the new opportunities that had arose now, with Italy Neutral and being where it was it could supply both sides of the war and make a profit from it. Italy at the beginning lacked the industrial capacity of the other world powers massively, to counter this the new Italian government embarked on a campaign of national industrialization promising to supply the allies with guns and ammunition. As Italy was only ever attacked in Sicily this meant that much richer and industrialized North could in effect still make large quantities of weapons for the war effort.

As 1947 rolled around sweeping reforms were introduced to improve the Italian Economy. New rail networks, roads and factories began to spring up. Since the allies now had control of the Mediterranean sea, it allowed for Italian shipping to simply sail to its orders. America wanting to supply its troops in Africa and Europe, gave Italy a massive weapons contract which they supplied. The money was once again reinvested into but soon would stop as America pulled out from the war.

By 1950 and the end of the war Italy had pulled itself through with a bit of meat still on them. As fighting had never happened in Italy it had remained mostly untouched by the war with the exception of some cities which were bombed slightly. The people however felt different as they had still lost many in the war and families missing fathers, brothers and sons and yet nearly four years after the end of the war the wounds that Italy had endured were beginning to heal slightly and a new brighter Italy lay before them. The Italian Republic now believed that in this time of devastation, a peace was need and deserved it would take up the mission of protecting the people around it with promises of Protection to other nations in Southern Europe and a trade agreement with Spain which would help prop up both nations.
Theme: The Roman Eagle Marches on
Anything you'd like to add?:

How would a very-recently up to Axis power like Italy get Centurion Tanks?

Same with the FN FAL since, because of the German occupation, I doubt it would’ve been made in this timeline

I guess they should be more of a guide of how they looked rather then a exact copy, I can remove them if you want?

[Revlona]

Shit I’m Brazil and was barely touched by the war and I don’t have jets

YET

[Greater Liverpool]

Shit I’m Brazil and was barely touched by the war and I don’t have jets

YET

I mean a lot of nations had Jets by 1950 some nations had them in 1944 (Germany, Britain) I don't see why people won't have that sort of equipment now in 1955 especially since it was 10 years of war military technology should be slightly more advanced.

[Revlona]

Shit I’m Brazil and was barely touched by the war and I don’t have jets

YET

I mean a lot of nations had Jets by 1950 some nations had them in 1944 (Germany, Britain) I don't see why people won't have that sort of equipment now in 1955 especially since it was 10 years of war military technology should be slightly more advanced.

Cause your nation was war torn and generally fucked

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Shit I’m Brazil and was barely touched by the war and I don’t have jets

YET

Wanna trade?

[Revlona]

Shit I’m Brazil and was barely touched by the war and I don’t have jets

YET

Wanna trade?

Trade what exactly?

[Greater Liverpool]

I mean a lot of nations had Jets by 1950 some nations had them in 1944 (Germany, Britain) I don't see why people won't have that sort of equipment now in 1955 especially since it was 10 years of war military technology should be slightly more advanced.

Cause your nation was war torn and generally fucked

Well considering my nation was never invaded as in real life and as well Italy was developing its own Jet fighters by 1951 irl.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

How would a very-recently up to Axis power like Italy get Centurion Tanks?

Same with the FN FAL since, because of the German occupation, I doubt it would’ve been made in this timeline

I guess they should be more of a guide of how they looked rather then a exact copy, I can remove them if you want?

Perhaps you could say towards the last days of Britain’s War they got desperate and (thinking the Germans would invade Italy) gave the Italians the Mk 1 as to try and bleed the Germans as much as possible if the time came

I Guess th FN FAL could’ve been made locally under Axis rule? I don’t know

[Greater Liverpool]

I guess they should be more of a guide of how they looked rather then a exact copy, I can remove them if you want?

Perhaps you could say towards the last days of Britain’s War they got desperate and (thinking the Germans would invade Italy) gave the Italians the Mk 1 as to try and bleed the Germans as much as possible if the time came

I Guess th FN FAL could’ve been made locally under Axis rule? I don’t know

I mean your the CO-OP if you want I can get rid of them?

[Reverend Norv]

Cause your nation was war torn and generally fucked

Well considering my nation was never invaded as in real life and as well Italy was developing its own Jet fighters by 1951 irl.

The premise of the RP, though, is that Europe in general is a smoking wreck kicked halfway to the Dark Ages, such that weird cults have taken over in Britain and Eastern Europe is as chaotic as warlord China. If you have a working economy at the end of it, you are ahead of the curve - never mind any equipment that would already have been cutting-edge before western civilization was brought to the brink of collapse.

[Revlona]

Perhaps you could say towards the last days of Britain’s War they got desperate and (thinking the Germans would invade Italy) gave the Italians the Mk 1 as to try and bleed the Germans as much as possible if the time came

I Guess th FN FAL could’ve been made locally under Axis rule? I don’t know

I mean your the CO-OP if you want I can get rid of them?

He’s coop?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Wanna trade?

Trade what exactly?

Sweden has some jets, eg:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen

Btw, OP’s allowed me to get tech from across the entire 50s then just during/before ‘55, yo account for tech advancement from War

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I mean your the CO-OP if you want I can get rid of them?

He’s coop?

Uh, no, I’m not coop

[Revlona]

Trade what exactly?

Sweden has some jets, eg:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_21R
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_29_Tunnan
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saab_32_Lansen

Btw, OP’s allowed me to get tech from across the entire 50s then just during/before ‘55, yo account for tech advancement from War

Watcha want from me?

[Greater Liverpool]

Well considering my nation was never invaded as in real life and as well Italy was developing its own Jet fighters by 1951 irl.

The premise of the RP, though, is that Europe in general is a smoking wreck kicked halfway to the Dark Ages, such that weird cults have taken over in Britain and Eastern Europe is as chaotic as warlord China. If you have a working economy at the end of it, you are ahead of the curve - never mind any equipment that would already have been cutting-edge before western civilization was brought to the brink of collapse.

No offence it makes less sense for me to be steaming pile of shit according to the RP and like I said Jets were around in 1943-1944 and It is not like there will be loads in my airforce anyway most will still be prop planes.