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Postby Groberesdeutschesreich » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:04 pm

Anglomir wrote:So can we have a bit more information on the Australian situation? What do you mean by "[...]Australia and New Zealand, but as the Commonwealth as a whole starts to enter the American sphere this has mattered less and less. "?

So Australia and New Zealand stayed as British domains after the war, along with Canada. Japan never managed to conquer them during the war since I don’t think it would have been feasible for Japan to invade the continent that tries to kill you without dedicating all of its resources to it, and New Zealand would be hard to invade without Australia. So they’re under British control but they have fairly high autonomy and might eventually gain their independence from Britain, however they would still be highly reliant on the Americans as the US is the main protector of all remaining democratic nations.

Also hey everyone, sorry it’s been a bit since I’ve been able to post, anyway I think I will create a region to organize all the stuff, all the roleplay will still take place on P2M tho. I’ll make it when I get home on the weekend along with the map, if you have a good idea for the name of the region let me know. Anyway, here’s what I got as who’s interested in what nations, it’s not set in stone yet so if you want to change let me know or if I missed you. Make sure to make alts for it when you can.

Groberesdeutschesreich-Germany
Clarcia-Japan
Danceria-US
Plzen-Scandinavia
Kuomintang Zhongguo/Polish Prussian Commonwealth-China
Flecatya-Italy
Labstoska-Either Britain or a Reichskommissariat

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Postby Kannap » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:10 pm

If Iberia is open, I'd be rather interested.
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Postby Clarcia » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:41 pm

Groberesdeutschesreich wrote:
Anglomir wrote:So can we have a bit more information on the Australian situation? What do you mean by "[...]Australia and New Zealand, but as the Commonwealth as a whole starts to enter the American sphere this has mattered less and less. "?

So Australia and New Zealand stayed as British domains after the war, along with Canada. Japan never managed to conquer them during the war since I don’t think it would have been feasible for Japan to invade the continent that tries to kill you without dedicating all of its resources to it, and New Zealand would be hard to invade without Australia. So they’re under British control but they have fairly high autonomy and might eventually gain their independence from Britain, however they would still be highly reliant on the Americans as the US is the main protector of all remaining democratic nations.

Also hey everyone, sorry it’s been a bit since I’ve been able to post, anyway I think I will create a region to organize all the stuff, all the roleplay will still take place on P2M tho. I’ll make it when I get home on the weekend along with the map, if you have a good idea for the name of the region let me know. Anyway, here’s what I got as who’s interested in what nations, it’s not set in stone yet so if you want to change let me know or if I missed you. Make sure to make alts for it when you can.

Groberesdeutschesreich-Germany
Clarcia-Japan
Danceria-US
Plzen-Scandinavia
Kuomintang Zhongguo/Polish Prussian Commonwealth-China
Flecatya-Italy
Labstoska-Either Britain or a Reichskommissariat


I’ll totally go for Japan as you put. Is China going to be my puppet still, or will they still be fighting? I assume my puppet since I had to get to India somehow.

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Postby Groberesdeutschesreich » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:09 pm

Kannap wrote:If Iberia is open, I'd be rather interested.
Hell yeah boi get in here
Clarcia wrote:I’ll totally go for Japan as you put. Is China going to be my puppet still, or will they still be fighting? I assume my puppet since I had to get to India somehow.
I’m still not clear on that, if they’re not gonna be your puppet then they’d probably be forced pretty far back to the sinkiang/Tibet region.

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Postby Kannap » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:45 pm

Also, because I'm bored and love maps, I mapped roughly what the Greater German Reich looks like according to your description in the OP. Excluding African and Asia territories due to the vague description of borders for those areas. Also missed the -stans, it looks like.

If you like, I could create the rest of the map. Also, I know it's a modern day map, but by the time I'd be done editing it, you'd never know it was originally a modern day map.
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Postby Groberesdeutschesreich » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:03 pm

Kannap wrote:Also, because I'm bored and love maps, I mapped roughly what the Greater German Reich looks like according to your description in the OP. Excluding African and Asia territories due to the vague description of borders for those areas. Also missed the -stans, it looks like.

If you like, I could create the rest of the map. Also, I know it's a modern day map, but by the time I'd be done editing it, you'd never know it was originally a modern day map.

I mean sure, I was gonna do it myself but I like the way you did this, needs a few fixes of course but we can worry about that later. I do want land borders or lighter shading or something showing which areas are puppets and which areas are directly annexed, but we could worry about that later.

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Postby Kannap » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:05 pm

Groberesdeutschesreich wrote:
Kannap wrote:Also, because I'm bored and love maps, I mapped roughly what the Greater German Reich looks like according to your description in the OP. Excluding African and Asia territories due to the vague description of borders for those areas. Also missed the -stans, it looks like.

If you like, I could create the rest of the map. Also, I know it's a modern day map, but by the time I'd be done editing it, you'd never know it was originally a modern day map.

I mean sure, I was gonna do it myself but I like the way you did this, needs a few fixes of course but we can worry about that later. I do want land borders or lighter shading or something showing which areas are puppets and which areas are directly annexed, but we could worry about that later.


I did my best with the very vague description in the OP - I, of course, can make any changes necessary with a little quick work.
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Postby Nova Corina » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:07 pm

If Free France was still around (perhaps in Africa or the South Pacific) I'd be interested in doing that.

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Postby Groberesdeutschesreich » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:19 pm

Kannap wrote:I did my best with the very vague description in the OP - I, of course, can make any changes necessary with a little quick work.

Yes of course, it’s still good, once we figure out the rest of the lore I’ll be able to be more specific on what the borders would look like. Also I realized I said the same bad phrase twice in the last post so I hate myself
Nova Corina wrote:If Free France was still around (perhaps in Africa or the South Pacific) I'd be interested in doing that.

The only place I can think of where they’d still exist would be in French Guyana :p idk how interesting that would be, but you’re welcome to it if it does interest you.

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Postby Plzen » Thu Dec 27, 2018 9:12 pm

I made myself a map of my territory as well. Adapted from the Hearts of Iron 4 provinces map.

Norway acquired the Shetland and Orkney islands, and Finland acquired Kola and Karelia up to the Neva and Svir Rivers, and the lakes Ladoga, Onega, and Vygozero. The 68km Schleswig/Slesvig border between the German Reich and the Nordic Commonwealth is the only pure land border the Nordic Commonwealth has, with every other frontier crossing through seas, lakes, rivers, or some other length of water.

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Postby Labstoska » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:07 am

Groberesdeutschesreich wrote:
Anglomir wrote:So can we have a bit more information on the Australian situation? What do you mean by "[...]Australia and New Zealand, but as the Commonwealth as a whole starts to enter the American sphere this has mattered less and less. "?

So Australia and New Zealand stayed as British domains after the war, along with Canada. Japan never managed to conquer them during the war since I don’t think it would have been feasible for Japan to invade the continent that tries to kill you without dedicating all of its resources to it, and New Zealand would be hard to invade without Australia. So they’re under British control but they have fairly high autonomy and might eventually gain their independence from Britain, however they would still be highly reliant on the Americans as the US is the main protector of all remaining democratic nations.

Also hey everyone, sorry it’s been a bit since I’ve been able to post, anyway I think I will create a region to organize all the stuff, all the roleplay will still take place on P2M tho. I’ll make it when I get home on the weekend along with the map, if you have a good idea for the name of the region let me know. Anyway, here’s what I got as who’s interested in what nations, it’s not set in stone yet so if you want to change let me know or if I missed you. Make sure to make alts for it when you can.

Groberesdeutschesreich-Germany
Clarcia-Japan
Danceria-US
Plzen-Scandinavia
Kuomintang Zhongguo/Polish Prussian Commonwealth-China
Flecatya-Italy
Labstoska-Either Britain or a Reichskommissariat

High autonomy you say? Welp looks like it's time to use that handy emergency powers act to put the dominions back in their place.

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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:16 am

Plzen wrote:I made myself a map of my territory as well. Adapted from the Hearts of Iron 4 provinces map.

Norway acquired the Shetland and Orkney islands, and Finland acquired Kola and Karelia up to the Neva and Svir Rivers, and the lakes Ladoga, Onega, and Vygozero. The 68km Schleswig/Slesvig border between the German Reich and the Nordic Commonwealth is the only pure land border the Nordic Commonwealth has, with every other frontier crossing through seas, lakes, rivers, or some other length of water.

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Germany holds Denmark, Norway, and Greenland though. Does it not?
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Postby Kannap » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:39 pm

Another update of the map - this time featuring a rough estimation of Japanese, Germany, Italian, and Spanish lands per the vague descriptions in the OP. As before, if anything is wrong here - it can be fixed. And, as indicated on the map via Spain, colonies/non-directly ruled lands can be a different shade of color and with their own borders.
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Postby Groberesdeutschesreich » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:48 pm

Heyo bros

I'm finally home so I'll probably set up a lot of it tomorrow, please make your alts soon and confirm that you're claiming a country if you haven't already. I'm creating a region to store the alts and organize all the information, but all roleplay will still take place on these forums. I also have a couple ideas for the region name but idrk so if you have a good one feel free to suggest it, blah blah blah I already said all that stuff for the most part. Also Kannap the maps are looking great, I'll make a really rough sketch of what the borders should look like to show you but it's still pretty accurate. And to everyone I'm not a dictator (ironically), if you want your borders to look different we can talk about it.

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Postby Clarcia » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:51 pm

Groberesdeutschesreich wrote:Heyo bros

I'm finally home so I'll probably set up a lot of it tomorrow, please make your alts soon and confirm that you're claiming a country if you haven't already. I'm creating a region to store the alts and organize all the information, but all roleplay will still take place on these forums. I also have a couple ideas for the region name but idrk so if you have a good one feel free to suggest it, blah blah blah I already said all that stuff for the most part. Also Kannap the maps are looking great, I'll make a really rough sketch of what the borders should look like to show you but it's still pretty accurate. And to everyone I'm not a dictator (ironically), if you want your borders to look different we can talk about it.


I’ll reserve Japan. Just so you know, I won’t be very active tommorow(am skiing).

I might have an app tommorow night then.

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Postby Hastiaka » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:24 pm

tag, I'm interested to play as a US-aligned Persia (with Iraq annexed by it)
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Postby Flecatya » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:01 pm

Groberesdeutschesreich wrote:Heyo bros

I'm finally home so I'll probably set up a lot of it tomorrow, please make your alts soon and confirm that you're claiming a country if you haven't already. I'm creating a region to store the alts and organize all the information, but all roleplay will still take place on these forums. I also have a couple ideas for the region name but idrk so if you have a good one feel free to suggest it, blah blah blah I already said all that stuff for the most part. Also Kannap the maps are looking great, I'll make a really rough sketch of what the borders should look like to show you but it's still pretty accurate. And to everyone I'm not a dictator (ironically), if you want your borders to look different we can talk about it.

Confirming in for Italy. Alt is prepared. All's swell on my side.

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Postby Labstoska » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:05 am

I'll take the commenwealth

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Postby The Imperial Warglorian Empire » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:52 am

Tag, interested in playing a Turkish-Arabic Empire (would control Turkey, Syria, Arabian Peninsula) (would probably be Fascist, perhaps not exactly Pro-Nazi Germany, but with close ties)
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Postby Zaporizhian Host » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:45 am

I'd imagine playing a Reichskommissariat could be interesting, so I'd like to sign up for that. It's probably for the best if Labstoska gets first pick though as I'm number two to request this. I'm assuming that Germanization programs are still very limited, even in the General Govt. and Ostland?
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Postby Nova Corina » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:40 am

If Free France still exists, I'd like to claim it (it'd probably be somewhere in the South Pacific, or maybe Guiana)

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Postby Rusthenia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 9:46 am

Could I claim a New Brazilian Empire under Pedro III with control of Brazil (Duh) and Uruguay?
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Postby Nurenia » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:33 pm

I'd like to claim a new Gran Colombia with its New Granada borders, excluding British-controlled Guyana and the American-controlled Panama Canal Zone.

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Postby Zarzadon » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:50 am

I see somebody's taken my idea and had a bit more success with it.
(albeit mine was less traditional in the sense that the allies and axis reluctantly worked together to defeat a more aggressive USSR)

Still interesting and I'll probably opt in.
If the US is still by some miracle open I might be them, could have a lot of fun with a revanchist MacArthur or McCarthy presidency, possibly having the last great democratic power fall not from outside invaders but rather from within.

Although being a distopian Britain (super original and never been done before *cough* 1984, Brave New World, V for Vendetta *cough*) could be pretty fun. Or adversely the British democracy in exile in Canada.

But I think above all I want a nation with little to no lore behind them. A country I can just let my creative mind run free with. A minor power could be just that.
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Postby Zarzadon » Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:55 am

Plzen wrote:Here's my proposal for a united Axis Scandinavia. The point of divergence is November 1939, with Norway taking a more assertive approach to protecting its neutrality instead of silently tolerating a British naval blockade as they did IRL.

Adapted from an earlier RP I was a part of.

The roots of the Nordic Commonwealth can be found in the depths of the Second World War, and the British interference along the Norwegian coast. When the Second World War began, the four nations of northern Europe were relatively stable democracies just beginning to pull our of the Great Depression. Despite the effects of the Great Depression, the Swedish Social-democratic Labour Party emerged as the largest party in parliament in both the 1932 and 1936 elections, while Denmark and Norway saw similar results and Finland elected a centrist agrarian party into power. In all four countries, the spectre of fascism and communism that so haunted other European nations were still an arm's reach away - something that happened to other countries, but not at home.

As the Second World War was starting in earnest in 1939, Norway came under increasing diplomatic pressures from the British government, including demands that the Norwegian merchant marine provide Britain with transportation at low freight rates, that Britain be permitted to mine Norwegian waters to prevent German warships from crossing the North Sea, and that Norway join in the blockade of Germany. To enforce its demands - and to deny Germany access to Norwegian waters - the Royal Navy began activities in Norwegian waters, exercising conventional gunboat diplomacy. On the 19th of November, 1939, the Norwegian government rejected all British demands, beginning what is now known as the Crisis of the Sea. In response, Britain began laying mines in Norwegian waters, ignoring the Norwegian protest, and harassing the export of Swedish iron ore to Germany, which happened along the Norwegian coast. The Norwegian government protested these breaches of sovereignty twice on the 21st and 22nd of November, and on the 24th announced that Norway can and will protect its neutrality by force. Denmark, concerned about similar breaches of its own neutrality by Germany and Britain and about their right to trade, announced their solidarity with and support of Norwegian neutrality.

The crisis finally flared when a task group led by the Norwegian destroyer Æger confronted the British battleship Royal Oak. After a short radio exchange, the Norwegian vessel fired on Royal Oak. Neither ship was lost as Royal Oak, concerned about the prospects of war with both Denmark and Norway, left Norwegian waters. After some discussion with Norwegian authorities, the British government announced that it would respect Norwegian neutrality on the 1st of December, 1939, in exchange for some token concessions regarding trade. The incident had a result of dramatically souring Scandinavia's relations with Britain, while improving its cordial relations with Germany. Britain intended to invade and occupy Norway to deny Germany access to its coast on the 5th of April, 1940, but the plan was scrapped due to concerns of the Royal Navy's ability to protect transports over the North Sea. Nonetheless, leaked rumours about this plan prompted the Scandinavian nations to once more declare their solidarity.

Crisis then flared on the east, with the Soviet Union making territorial demands on, and then on the 30th of November 1939 invading, the Republic of Finland. Although the Republic of Finland made requests to the international community for assistance against this unprovoked act of aggression, no real response came. The Swedish government expressed its "sympathies" for Finland, but refused to commit its armed forces. Nonetheless, almost fifteen thousand volunteers - some of them Swedish soldiers in reserve - went to the Karelian front of their own free will, while several right-leaning organisations organised aid of armaments and supplies to Finland, reinforcing the increasingly popular concept of pan-Nordic solidarity. It proved, however, ineffective in anything except public perception. After seven months of gruelling war, in which Stalin proved perfectly happy to pave a road into Finland with the corpses of Soviet soldiers, and after the brutal Second Battle of Viipuri in which the Soviet forces successfully captured the city, the Republic of Finland agreed to cede 11% of its territory in exchange for peace. Even more so than the Crisis of the Sea, this event shocked the Scandinavian states - it proved, if it needed any proving, that in this new, more dangerous world, neutrality extended as far as one could defend it. For small neutral states such as those in Scandinavia, that meant that their neutrality meant almost nothing at all to the great powers of Europe. Another result of this war was the reinforcement of pan-Nordic solidarity, with Swedish volunteers, although ineffective, becoming almost a symbol of Scandinavian partnership in Finland. When Germany invaded the Soviet Union and Finland, as a co-belligerent, started their Continuation War to recover their lost territory and more from the Soviet Union, plenty of Scandinavian volunteers joined the front. By and large, the Scandinavian governments were willing to ignore the copious transfer of men and material from their cities into Finland, despite the protests of the Soviet government.

With their neutrality increasingly under threat and, in Finland's case, violated, the Nordic states came to the realisation that not only could they not defend their neutrality alone, but also that their more powerful neighbours were both capable and interested in seizing Scandinavia for themselves. Talk of a common defence treaty first surfaced while Finland was still at war with the Soviet Union in 1941, and popular support behind it, fuelled heavily by an increasing notion of Scandinavians as "brother peoples," slowly grew. Finally, the Norwegian government capitulated to popular demand and invited a delegation from Sweden and Denmark for negotiations. A delegation from Finland was also invited on the 10th of July, 1941, although this move drew considerable protest from the Soviet Union, which argued that Finland could no longer be "realistically considered a neutral state," being at war with the Soviet Union at the time. Nonetheless, a common defence pact was agreed upon on the 30th of September, 1941, after long and controversial talks that were so divisive in Scandinavian politics, although Finland conceded that Scandinavia was under no obligation to aid Finland in wars that began before that date.

As the war went on, the Royal Navy's blockade on Germany and states trading with Germany - which included Scandinavia at that time - continued forcing the Scandinavian states into pursuing closer relations with Germany. The Soviet Union surrendered in September 1943, and Finland once more returned to de-facto peace, with the Allies unable to seriously threaten Finland militarily and Finland unwilling to commit itself to further military ventures.

The second peace, as the period between the Soviet Union's capitulation in 1943 and the Allied invasion attempt in 1945 is now called, was a booming time for Scandinavia - as it was for pretty much every nation that escaped the devastation of war relatively unharmed. With much of Europe devastated, the Scandinavian states were able to grow rapidly off its export revenue from industrial goods even under the British blockade. With the industries of Germany and her allies firmly geared towards war, Scandinavia was able to export its surplus consumer goods and industrial capital, and with rapid economic growth came development and relative stability. Solidarity between the four nations of the Collective Security Pact was at that point a given fact of reality, and pressures to further their integration, this time to protect their prosperity and neutrality from the turning tides of war, grew. The Treaty of Copenhagen, signed in winter 1943, laid the groundwork for this integration, improving the Scandinavian Collective Security Pact into the Nordic Commonwealth. This was rapidly followed up a host of other co-operative treaties, most significantly in 1944 by a currency union and common market.

Alas, this peace and prosperity was not to last. Nordic co-operation with Germany annoyed the allies, and over time the Allied leadership came to believe that cutting off Scandinavian exports of iron ore, industrial capital, and consumer goods to Germany was the only way to sever the German economy's ability to supply it war effort. On the 24th of January, 1945, the Allies declared war on Norway and soon attempted - and failed - to force a landing in Norway. The Royal Navy once more began sinking German ore transports in the Norwegian sea. In response the Commonwealth as a whole declared war on the United Kingdom and, by extension, the Allied powers. The Nordic states formally signed a pact of military co-operation with Germany, and became itself a member of the Axis.

Despite German recommendations to the contrary and the demands of war stretching all of Scandinavia's resources to the limit, the 1946 elections, the first Commonwealth-wide elections, were held as usual, with the social-democrats winning a small plurality of 34%. Under the call of the new Secretary-General, however, an emergency National Coalition was formed. The Secretary-General announced that internal division within Scandinavia at this crucial time when the Commonwealth's existence was at stake was unacceptable, and invited the Social-democratic bloc, the Conservative bloc, and even the small fledging National Socialist bloc into the National Coalition. In the demands of the emergency, national and partisan divisions melted away, and the Commonwealth went to war as a unified force.

The Axis powers, of which the Nordic Commonwealth was a part, eventually emerged victorious over the Allies. In the peace conference following the war, the Nordic Commonwealth made modest territorial gains, seizing most of Kola/Karelia which it was de-facto occupying during the war and the northernmost of the British Isles. After the conclusion of the war, integration continued. In 1947, the Commonwealth organised a common foreign policy, slowly but surely becoming the representative of Nordic will and interest in the world stage as a whole.

Now, with the restoration of peace, the Nordic Commonwealth plays a very prominent role in the reconstruction of post-war Europe, and this combined with access to German industrial technologies and investment is triggering another period of rapid economic growth following the wartime recession. The internal politics of the Nordic Commonwealth, however, did have the result of causing some ideological friction between the Scandinavian Commonwealth and the German Reich. Although the Germans completely approved of the Scandinavians' developments towards a unified national community with a unified national identity and the increasing trends towards the nationalisation of Scandinavian industry, the continued liberal-socialistic internal and social policies of the Scandinavian Commonwealth disturbed the Germans, and so did the Commonwealth's continued insistence that the Jewish population of Scandinavia, although now stripped of much of their wealth, were integral citizens. Unlike other German allies whose capitals were within easy reach of German tanks however, Copenhagen and Stockholm lay behind the Baltic Sea behind a largely self-sufficient and advanced armaments industry, and the Germans were not comfortable with the idea of enforcing national socialism by force. This sentiment is not helped by the Nordic nuclear program, which promises to yield results within just a few more years. Thus, Scandinavia remains a part of Germany's new European order, sending diplomats to Berlin, providing support to the common European space program, and participating in the SS brigades.

Two short years after the re-establishment of peace, the Nordic Commonwealth boasts one of the world's highest standards of development and relative security in the new European order. But time only will tell if this will last...

Act of Citizenship (1943)


The Act of Citizenship was a special law passed on 1943 October 19th by the Finnish parliament, regulating the official legal status of those people present in the territory ceded to Finland by the Soviet Union after the successful German invasion of the Soviet Union.

Background

The Nordic nations have often served as a host to refugees fleeing the chaos of war, greatly irking certain parties involved. Despite the demands of the war and the German occupation, the Swedish embassy in Warszawa remained open, and once Sweden adopted an open-arms policy in 1941, thousands of Poles and Jews were granted refugee status in Sweden through this embassy, through which they escaped persecution in Germany. The Germans made several diplomatic protests but, unwilling to spark a diplomatic incident with the increasingly integrated Nordic bloc, simply responded by restricting access to the embassy. Although the Nordic nations never interned its own Jews or Communists, during the Continuation War against the Soviet Union, Finland did come to an informal agreement with the German Reich that foreign Jews or Communists, such as those that escaped to Finland from German occupation, would be repatriated to Germany.

With the Axis victory over the Soviet Union in 1943, however, this informal agreement was tested to the limit, with Finland absorbing a territory that included thousands of Jews, Russians, and Communists. Finland made preparations to slowly transition from a military occupation of this area towards integrating the area into Finland proper, but Germany insisted that Jews and Communists in the occupation zone could not be considered Finnish and demanded that they be handed over to the Reich's authorities.

After some weeks of internal and diplomatic tensions, the parliament of Finland passed the 1943 Act of Citizenship, in which Finland declared that it would hand over most refugees to German authorities, but insisted that those people resident in the occupied zone was to be considered Finnish residents. After some difficulties, Germany accepted this compromise.

Act

The 1943 Act of Citizenship applied to all those people who did not, as of the day of its passing, hold Finnish citizenship but did, on the same day, was present within those territories ceded by the Soviet Union to Finland on September 26th and held citizenship in the Soviet Union or another country occupied by the German Reich. This included somewhere between 1,400,000~1,500,000 people, although many left Finnish territory in favour of seeking refugee status in the New World before their status in Scandinavia could be properly defined.

Within this population, the Act defined as an eligible Finnish citizen those people who could demonstrate proficiency in at least one Scandinavian, Finnic, or Sami language or could present proof of their residency within the ceded territory. These people were to be provided the choice between Finnish permanent residency with an option for citizenship in the future or, if they did not desire it, repatriation to either the German Reich or Soviet Siberia.

All others were given until the 15th of April, 1944 to either seek alternate means of remaining in Scandinavia, such as refugee status or labour-residency, or leave Finnish territory.

Criticism

The Communist Party of Finland made very clear their opposition to the Act in general, and to the exclusion of "persons active in politics," which often meant Communist Party members in the Soviet Union, from being granted refugee status.

Although the Community Party was sidelined in Finnish politics and discourse at the time, there were also considerable dissent regarding this Act from the main political parties. The Social-Democratic Party initially opposed the Act, stating that it was their moral duty to save people from political persecution of all kinds, but accepted the center-right argument that this was a necessary part of co-operation with Germany after being granted a few concessions regarding Russian and Sami residents of the ceded zone.

On the other hand, IKL criticised the Act for being too destructive to the concept of Finland as a nation-state. Finland's small population of three or four millions meant, they argued, that the acceptance of half a million Russians as permanent residents in Finland seriously threatened the national unity and identity of the small republic. Despite being provided diplomatic support from Germany, IKL's campaign against the Act sputtered, and it passed with a solid majority on October the 19th.

Results

The number of applicable people who voluntarily left Finnish territory to seek alternate homes before 15th April 1944 is unknown, although it is estimated at 100,000~200,000, mainly absorbed into Sweden.

By this date, 544,270 people sought permanent residency in Finland, 87,016 opted for repatriation to the Soviet Union, and 11,932 opted for repatriation to the German Reich. Although much of this population were residents of the ceded territory, a mix of Karelians, Russians, and Sami, a surprisingly significant number of Estonian refugees were found eligible for permanent residency, due to a class action suit in late 1943, where a Court of Appeal found, under advice from linguists, Estonian to be a Finnic language and thus speakers of Estonian to be eligible citizens.

Of those not considered eligible citizens, 74,105 were provided refugee status, which provides the same rights as permanent residency under Scandinavian treaty law, in Finland. This group primarily included Soviet refugees from the Baltic nations and radical socialists that sought refuge in the Soviet Union from Germany or Czechoslovakia in the 1930s. Although many ethnic Russians and Jews applied for refugee status in Finland or in the other Scandinavian nations, due to intense German diplomatic pressure only a few were granted. Members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union were also categorically denied refugee status.

615,259 people who were still residing in the ceded territory without a legal status in Finland or a Scandinavian nation as of 15th April 1944 were forcibly repatriated into R. K. Muskovy. These primarily included refugees from central and western Russia who sought to escape German persecution by fleeing to the Finnish occupation zone during Operation Barbarossa. Their exact fate in German Russia is unknown, but it is generally agreed upon that they were likely interned in labour camps or exterminated.

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