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Dravida Nata
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Founded: Nov 14, 2018
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Postby Dravida Nata » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:23 pm

Greater Liverpool wrote:I already claimed to own ceylon and claimed to own Southern Bruma

We could figure something out. Reach a compromise. Besides, I didn't see that on your application. Or else I wouldn't have claimed Sri Lanka
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Terre Australes
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Founded: Jun 12, 2018
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Postby Terre Australes » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:11 pm

Dahyan wrote:
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Doesn't make any sense; the largest viking strongholds were in north-east England, and the nordsmen who did go over to Ireland hardly set up effective governments, because they were ethnically and culturally different to the native population, and were not able to have sturdy supply lines between Denmark/Norway and Ireland...

Edit: lol grand indochina just said "ye we're catholic now lol", completely disregarding the fact that Sweden was the most important player, aside from maybe Austria, when it came to the initial beginnings of the reformation and the thirty-years-war. They just went with "Alright, you know those teenie tiny viking settlements that we once set up like 800 years ago? Guess what. The celtics love us. And we're catholic. No clue how that happened, but just roll with it. Anyway: We never turned protestant. Cool change right? What do you mean the entire history as we know it from mid-1600 onward wouldn't be the same? What do you mean Germany wouldn't exist? We're catholic lols, just accept it. Also: We somehow took hold of Chinese colonies. A fucking lot of them. What, the Thai, Vietnamese and Indonesian people are quite difficult subjects to control and the Vietnamese people have fended off two world powers in like the last 80 years? So what? We Swedes had like two trading ships, and now they all love us."

What's it to you? If you don't like the RP, just don't join. What's the big deal?


I'd like to join, but every player's nation has their original history changed in some dramatic way, which makes this RP a difficult one to participate in.
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Dahyan
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Postby Dahyan » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:46 pm

Louisiana app is nearly finished, just gotta make some alternate history to go with it.
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Grand Indochina
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Postby Grand Indochina » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:55 pm

For the sake of realism...

+ I withdrew my claim on Philippine, Malaya and Thailand.
+ I restored my claim on Greenland.
+ Can I put claim on Island of Newfoundland ?
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Terre Australes
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Postby Terre Australes » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:59 pm

Grand Indochina wrote:For the sake of realism...

+ I withdrew my claim on Philippine, Malaya and Thailand.
+ I restored my claim on Greenland.
+ Can I put claim on Island of Newfoundland ?


how did the catholic thing work and the irish thing work again though?
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Grand Indochina
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Postby Grand Indochina » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:09 pm

Terre Australes wrote:
Grand Indochina wrote:For the sake of realism...

+ I withdrew my claim on Philippine, Malaya and Thailand.
+ I restored my claim on Greenland.
+ Can I put claim on Island of Newfoundland ?


how did the catholic thing work and the irish thing work again though?

You have to wait for me to finish the lore.
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Dahyan
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Postby Dahyan » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:19 pm

Terre Australes wrote:
Dahyan wrote:What's it to you? If you don't like the RP, just don't join. What's the big deal?


I'd like to join, but every player's nation has their original history changed in some dramatic way, which makes this RP a difficult one to participate in.


It is complicated, and I don't even know half of the details, but as long as you know the differences that affect the nation you want to play, it should be fine.
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Postby Greater Liverpool » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:27 pm

Dravida Nata wrote:
Greater Liverpool wrote:I already claimed to own ceylon and claimed to own Southern Bruma

We could figure something out. Reach a compromise. Besides, I didn't see that on your application. Or else I wouldn't have claimed Sri Lanka


You could rp as a dominion of my nation, sort Canada or Australia situation but for Ceylon.
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Postby Duestchstien » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:26 pm

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NS Name: Duestchstien
RP Name (Formal): Empire of Japan, Nihon
RP Name (Informal): Japan, Tokugawa Shogunate, Nihon
Other Names: Land of the Rising Sun

Flag:
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Coat of Arms:
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Other Symbol(s):
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Official Territory: Japan and Kuril Islands
Territorial Claim: Japan, Ryuku and Kuril Islands
Population: 42 Million
Capital City: Kyoto
Map Color: N/A

Government Type: Monarchic feudal stratocracy
Government Explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_ ... Government
Ideology: Isolationist (Imperial Faction is Nationalist and Capitalist)
Leader/s: Shogun: Tokugawa Iesato; Emperor: Taisho
Relations: Isolationist, Trade with Dutch and English allowed via Port of Nagasaki

Administrative Division(s): (provinces, colonies, administrative organization, etc)

State Religion: Shinto and Buddhism
Other Religion(s): Confucianism, Taoism, and Christianity
Ethnicity: 99.9% Japanese, 0.1% Other
Language(s): Japanese
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Japanese
Other Culture(s): None

Type of Economy: Mixed Economy
Economy Explanation: Mainly based around mining, lumber, fishing, farming, and certain industry such as Ship Building and Refined Food Products
Important Resources: ^^^

Military Explanation: Can be Divided into two branches the Navy and the Army. The top of the military is the Shogun who is both the ceremonial and practical the leader. Under the shogun are a series of generals that each lead armies. The main units include Cavalry and Infantry. The main weapons are the Katana and Rifle, many rifles are based around the rifles of the 1830s and 40s first brought by the british and dutch. THe military is characterized by its stiff training regimen, the Bushido code, and the infamous banzai attacks.
Military Branches: Navy and Army
Army: 640,000 Active, 1.3 Million Reserve
Navy: 200,000 Active, 1.1 Million Reserve
Air Force: The Army aircorps consists of 5 british spyplanes donated by the british to use for aerial reconnaissance
Other Military Branch(es): A paramilitary group exists that only serves the Emperor, it consists of 38,000 troops all heavily trained in martial arts, rifling, and are brainwashed to believe the emperor is a god, they are known for their stiff fierceness and loyalty to the emperor, they are known as the Kempeiai.

Goals: The Shogun wants to preserve the japanese culture and peoples, the Emperor believes the only way to remain a capable power is to mix the west with the east and rapidly modernize the country.
Domestic Issues: Growing gap between the emperor and shogun, undeveloped
Foreign Issues: Growing Korean Influence.
National Figure(s): ?

History: In 1600 the Sengoku Jidai ended, on top was the knew shogun Tokugawa Ieyasu. Tokugawa had successfully brought the entire oda clan into his domain years earlier, and his second in command was Toyotomo Hideyoshi, a trusted friend. Hideyoshi would lead a trade expedition to china in 1610 and die of the bubonic plague. Ieyasu would grieve at his loss and would lose his life only a couple years later to the same disease. This left his unprepared sun in charge. The feudal lords took this to their advantage and the centralized the government. By the in 1703 the Tokugawa War broke out in which the northern lords all fighting for power broke loose. This would begin a gap between the South and the North. The North wanted modernization and secretly began communicating with Russia and Spain to help them overthrow the government, neither thought the deal would be profitable, but Russia would send a ship of emmissaries in attempt to formalize the relations. However Japanese ships (who believed it to be an invading force) would sink it, sparking the HIRMS Izhevsk incident. The northern lords would grow angry and claim it was a hospital ship sent to help a town which had been devastated by an earthquake. The Izhevsk incident would lead the northern lords to sign the secret Sendai Pact. In 1735 Emperor Nakamikado would be persuaded to begin helping the cause. He agreed to go meet the shogun to discuss the possibility of opening up with the west. However Nakamikado would die only 3 hours after reaching the capital of old age. The lords disagreed and claimed the shogun had poisoned him.

Years later Nakamikado's son, Sakuramachi, would persuade the Shogun to allow the west to trade via the port of Nagasaki. They jointly created the Sakuramachi Treaty with the British and Dutch that would allow them to trade but forced them to promise not to try and convert the population to Christianity or damage the Japanese culture. This trade would spread the teachings of the west throughout the island of Kyushu and prompt the Lords their to join the northern lords. They worked closely to create nippon-no-houhou (The way of Japan), this would combine western technology and learning with Japanese culture.

The emperor would work closely with the lords to consolidate his power in the north and in Kyushu, and wielding this he would get the rights for the city of Edo to modernize. Edo would become a manufacturing hub by the 1850s and would see some of the best Ship building and food processing factories in the east. However this cities success was seen else where. Growing tired of the waiting the Kyushu uprising would start in 1876 and whilst it would fail, the emperor got some of his supporters to light a factory on fire in edo. The Emperor would claim that he needed a security force to protect his city and palace.

The Shogun allowed the creation of the Kempeitai, the emperors personal army. He would fill it with fanatical supporters that would be brainwashed into thinking the emperor was a god. They were tought the way of japan, and turned into fierce and orderly troops. They can be found standing perfectly still at street corners and important buildings making sure the city is safe. The emperor would reopen relations with Russia in 1901, sending his personal emissaries to Moscow to "ensure his shipment of sugar would be met on time" of course the real purpose was to make sure the kempeitai received the best equipment. The emperor also allowed Russian companies to create branches in japan, but these branches would be under part ownership of a Japanese conglomerate so technically it was part of a Japanese company.

In 1910 the Edo Expo would begin and would show the ways of the west. The Japanese marveled at this and it effectively has been turning the populace against the Shogun since. The current situation is quite stiff, the emperor and shogun are publicly facing off and the Emperor has gotten support of over 65% of the country to overthrow the shogun.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:05 pm

Grand Indochina wrote:For the sake of realism...

+ I withdrew my claim on Philippine, Malaya and Thailand.
+ I restored my claim on Greenland.
+ Can I put claim on Island of Newfoundland ?

I wouldn't do the claim on Newfoundland simply because its my territory, but that being said...which nation are you playing as again?

I am putting my authority as Co-Op down so everyone can enjoy a "peace in our time" solution if you will. Which is a reminder, save the fighting for the IC everyone.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:08 pm

Danceria wrote:I'm just uncertain whether or not Missionary Activity would be successful. Perhaps Korea could be seen as asylum for Christian Chinese and Buddhist Japanese...

For all intents, and purposes Korea as a region in real life partly had its big nationalists come out of the woodwork because of Christianity. Even if the Korean form of protestant christianity took on a form that was intent on agitating the Japanese overlords to new levels. Though the Norths state enforced atheism practically saw the presence of catholicism in the North drop to near zero...the first kim had an ironically warm relationship with certain Christian branches.
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The Felan Federation
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Founded: Aug 01, 2013
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Postby The Felan Federation » Wed Dec 05, 2018 7:49 pm

Fucking finally done. SHEET. That took me days to finish. But the NEW ROMAN EMPIRE is finished. Ready to be judged.


Application
NS Name: the Felan Federation
RP Name (Formal): the New Roman Empire
RP Name (Informal): Romans
Other Names: Holy Roman Empire, the Roman Empire, the Latin Imperium, the Swiss-Italian Federation

Flag: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Banner_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor_with_haloes_%281400-1806%29.svg/1200px-Banner_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor_with_haloes_%281400-1806%29.svg.png
Coat of Arms: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor_%28c.1433-c.1450%29.svg/800px-Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor_%28c.1433-c.1450%29.svg.png
Other Symbol(s): https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/26/25785/Roman_empire_flag.1.jpg
Official Territory: https://imgur.com/a/6NJtU08
Territorial Claim: Southern-Germany
Population: ~34 million people
Capital City: Rome
Map Color: Yellow

Government Type: Federal semi-constitutional monarchy
Government Explanation: The New Roman Empire has a similar structure to the old Holy Roman Empire - as there exists numerous states with the Empire, whom all have their own personal King, Duke or Pope to administer the territory - while swearing loyalty to the Monarch. Some regional territories have a legislature alongside their monarch (Venice, Naples) which are elected by the people, while other regions may have an absolutism (Papalcy) which is control of all avenues of the state. The federal structure is composed of the Senate and the Emperor/Empress - the senate being made of one-hundred and one members, which are elected from the various states that make up the Empire (either by the monarch or the people) in charge of the Legislative Branch. While the Emperor/Empress is in charge of the Executive Branch of governance, having an absolute veto on any laws passed and commander-in-chief of the Imperial Armed Forces.
Ideology: Conservative-liberalism, federalism, monarchism.
Leader/s: Empress Julia Annabelle of Rome (https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/3f/13/023f13f7f081c42d8c10e1208b9ed4be.jpg)
Relations:
  • Allies: TBA
  • Friends: Austro-Slavian Empire
  • Trade Partners: Imperial Federation of Russia, United Kingdom of Armenia
  • Neutral Countries: Kingdom of Great Britain
  • Rivals: Kingdom of France
  • Enemies: German Republic
Administrative Division(s): Naples, Papalcy, New Frankia (southern France), Venice, Tuscany, Helvetia (states). New Carthage (colony)

State Religion: Catholicism
Other Religion(s): Protestantism, Calvinism
Ethnicity: German, Italian, French, Berber
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Roman, German
Other Culture(s): Algerian, Morroco, Tunisia, Italian

Type of Economy: Industrial
Economy Explanation: Italy is lacking in most of the important resources that are required to fuel an industrial machine, thus most of their resources are imported from New Carthage - making them reliant upon their North African colony more than other European nations. Although, in turn of industrial power, they are match-to-match with the Kingdom of France.
Important Resources: None(home). Colony(oil, iron, lead, gas, zinc)

Military Explanation: Most of the Imperial Armed Forces had been modeled after the Swiss - a heavy focus on discipline and morale. The Regio Esercito and the Guardia Pretoriana are the only branches of the armed forces which practice the notion of unified command and uniformity. Thus making infighting a rarity. The Regio Esercito has for years been modeling their operations after the Roman, Testudo or Turtle Model - which sees the combination of artillery and foot infantry mixed alongside scouting and engineer companies. This makes the Royal Army slow to move, yet very hard on the defensive and counter-attacks.
Military Branches: Regio Esercito (Royal Army), Regia Marina (Royal Navy), Regia Anti-Aeronautica Difesa (Royal Anti-Air Defense), Ufficio di Pretore (High Command), Guardia Pretoriana (Special Forces)
Army: Around ~3 million soldiers part of the Royal Army, which have integrated artillery and support units, alongside a quality training regiment that had been modeled after that of the Swiss Army.
Navy: Around twice the amount of the ships, that had been possed by the RL Italian Kingdom - with a better quality and better leadership.
Air Force: Non-existent, replaced by the RAAD whose mission is the protection of the air space of the Empire
Other Military Branch(es): The Guardia Pretoriana, also known as the Roman Foreign Legion a volunteer-based special forces battalion - specialized in mountain, desert combat and counter-terrorism force of the Empire.

Goals: Reunification of the Holy Roman Empire (most German territories)
Domestic Issues: Religious conflict, national identity
Foreign Issues: Colonial assimilation, German Republic
National Figure(s): Niccolò Machiavelli, Julius Caesar,

History: The New Roman Empire was born from the ashes of the Holy Roman Empire - which had been completely destroyed in the German Revolution and the following Revolutionary Wars. Those few in the Imperial Army, the German nobility, or Catholics in-general fled to Switzerland which had been turned into a Calvinistic Theocracy after the fall of the Holy Roman Empire resisted only by the Catholic group the Sonderbund. Although with the surge of soldiers, the Sonderbundskrieg soon turned around for the Catholic whom slowly destroyed the Theocracy and also started cracking down on the liberal and mostly Protestant major regions - which had nominally been supportive of the Calvinistic cause.

During the Revolutionary Wars, the survivors declared the German Republic illegitimate and declared the Holy Roman Empire reborn in Helvetia and decrying the German anarchists and liberals that reigned during the Terrorherrschaft - decrying of what was the end result of liberalism and nationalism. Although, the bitter survivors wouldn't manage to regain Germany or their lands - as the eventual war would be resolved in 1820 - with the Germanic Republic keeping and maintaining hold over many german colonies and german lands. Without any hope or chance for regaining the lost territories - the Holy Roman Empire remained as it was, a reactionary rump state of bitter German nobility protected only by Austrian power and subject to languish in their old pride. Until the start of the Italian Wars of Unification around 1840.

King Frederick Augustus, the son of Maria Theresa of Austria (Queen Consort of Saxony) and Anthony of Saxony - the strongest leader among the German Princes, soon proposed the idea of unification of Roman heritage. As the Italian peninsula, at the time was embroiled in bitter civil war as liberal and nationalist elements sought to eliminate Austrian rulership - as around the same time the Kingdom of Sardinia was seeking the notion of Risorgimento. Utilizing this to their advantage, the HRE around the time began supporting the southern kingdoms against the 'Savoy Dictator' - painting the attempts of Risorgimento as an Italian Region of Terror waiting to happen. This would eventually lead to conflict between the Holy Roman Empre and Venice against the Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont. The monarch of the time, Victor Emmanuel II would be defeated and his lands would be annexed alongside his French conquests into New Frankia - it would take another two years, before his forces would be defeated on Sardinia and Corsica.

King Augustus would follow this victory by also annexing Naples - after the former had fallen to nationalist rebellions in the hope of joining Sardinia in Risorgimento. Following these two victories, the rest of Italy would be unified either by force or persuasion - as the resulting situation in Europe allowed a one a in a lifetime chance for those in the Italian Peninsula. Uniting under a shared Roman identity and future - the New Roman Empire would be formed in 1859 with the signing of the Imperial Compromise - which would keep the largest states in Italy intact with their own monarchs with their own local governance in exchange for uniting under the New Roman Empire and it's Emperor. Taking advantage of this new rise, the New Roman Empire proved their might as they destroyed the Barbary Pirate States which had been in a state of decay since the defeat of the Ottoman Empires almost three years ago. Annexing them as New Carthage - the first colonies for the New Roman Empire. Although, soon enough after that - the NRE turned attention North and began a massive industrialization and reform campaign to catch up to the Germanic Republic and Austro-Slavian Empire. While military spending also increased, as many feared a coming conflict with the northern Germans.

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Grand Indochina
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Postby Grand Indochina » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:27 pm

Benuty wrote:
Grand Indochina wrote:For the sake of realism...

+ I withdrew my claim on Philippine, Malaya and Thailand.
+ I restored my claim on Greenland.
+ Can I put claim on Island of Newfoundland ?

I wouldn't do the claim on Newfoundland simply because its my territory, but that being said...which nation are you playing as again?

I am putting my authority as Co-Op down so everyone can enjoy a "peace in our time" solution if you will. Which is a reminder, save the fighting for the IC everyone.

So which part of Canada you haven't touch yet ?
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:30 pm

Grand Indochina wrote:
Benuty wrote:I wouldn't do the claim on Newfoundland simply because its my territory, but that being said...which nation are you playing as again?

I am putting my authority as Co-Op down so everyone can enjoy a "peace in our time" solution if you will. Which is a reminder, save the fighting for the IC everyone.

So which part of Canada you haven't touch yet ?

You might be able to get away with carving rupers land out from New France due to its status as a valuable trading area.

I say that in part since New France doesn't seem to have a player yet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert%27s_Land

Obviously there will have to be some negotiation, but most likely you will be able to get the coastal areas of the region.
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Postby Danceria » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:47 pm

Benuty wrote:
Danceria wrote:I'm just uncertain whether or not Missionary Activity would be successful. Perhaps Korea could be seen as asylum for Christian Chinese and Buddhist Japanese...

For all intents, and purposes Korea as a region in real life partly had its big nationalists come out of the woodwork because of Christianity. Even if the Korean form of protestant christianity took on a form that was intent on agitating the Japanese overlords to new levels. Though the Norths state enforced atheism practically saw the presence of catholicism in the North drop to near zero...the first kim had an ironically warm relationship with certain Christian branches.

Early Korea =/= North/South Korea. Especially with this timeline...depending on how much influence the missionaries may have had, realpolitik, the Seohak (New School Kids) could place either a Christian or largely pro-Christian monarch on the throne of a rising Asian power.

Westernization may come from Scandinavia or Austroslavia, and it's probably Catholic holdings, or depending on what/who is believing in what these days. There sure as heck ain't a united state in America to spread Protestantism, so perhaps the Bishop of Rome may help bring the Emperor of Korea into being accepted as a monarch worthy of the old blood of Europe.

The major colonial powers that I know of are Scandinavia, German Republic, Austroslavia, and France. So based upon these factors, Korea (and East Asia as a whole) would most likely be Germanized, (Austria and Super Germany). Which suits well with the Korean language structure...
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:57 pm

Danceria wrote:
Benuty wrote:For all intents, and purposes Korea as a region in real life partly had its big nationalists come out of the woodwork because of Christianity. Even if the Korean form of protestant christianity took on a form that was intent on agitating the Japanese overlords to new levels. Though the Norths state enforced atheism practically saw the presence of catholicism in the North drop to near zero...the first kim had an ironically warm relationship with certain Christian branches.

Early Korea =/= North/South Korea. Especially with this timeline...depending on how much influence the missionaries may have had, realpolitik, the Seohak (New School Kids) could place either a Christian or largely pro-Christian monarch on the throne of a rising Asian power.

Westernization may come from Scandinavia or Austroslavia, and it's probably Catholic holdings, or depending on what/who is believing in what these days. There sure as heck ain't a united state in America to spread Protestantism, so perhaps the Bishop of Rome may help bring the Emperor of Korea into being accepted as a monarch worthy of the old blood of Europe.

The major colonial powers that I know of are Scandinavia, German Republic, Austroslavia, and France. So based upon these factors, Korea (and East Asia as a whole) would most likely be Germanized, (Austria and Super Germany). Which suits well with the Korean language structure...


I am aware, but in regards to Christianization the in real life Japanese occupied Korea, and the two koreas post independence were especially relevant as an example here. That being said Catholicism at least for now has the momentum where protestantism doesn't, but that could change in the following decades.
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Postby Danceria » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:31 pm

Benuty wrote:
Danceria wrote:Early Korea =/= North/South Korea. Especially with this timeline...depending on how much influence the missionaries may have had, realpolitik, the Seohak (New School Kids) could place either a Christian or largely pro-Christian monarch on the throne of a rising Asian power.

Westernization may come from Scandinavia or Austroslavia, and it's probably Catholic holdings, or depending on what/who is believing in what these days. There sure as heck ain't a united state in America to spread Protestantism, so perhaps the Bishop of Rome may help bring the Emperor of Korea into being accepted as a monarch worthy of the old blood of Europe.

The major colonial powers that I know of are Scandinavia, German Republic, Austroslavia, and France. So based upon these factors, Korea (and East Asia as a whole) would most likely be Germanized, (Austria and Super Germany). Which suits well with the Korean language structure...


I am aware, but in regards to Christianization the in real life Japanese occupied Korea, and the two koreas post independence were especially relevant as an example here. That being said Catholicism at least for now has the momentum where protestantism doesn't, but that could change in the following decades.

But for now, Korea is most likely a decent amount of Catholic, follows by various Mainland European Protestant (Calvinist, Lutheran, Anabaptist, ect), and a tiny bit of Russian Orthodox. The religious schism may threaten the rising power, between Christian and Buddhist much like present day. Still, Korea will be the Prussia of the seas, due to it's Germanophilic nature (again, Germnaic countries being their neighbors) and Westernization winning out. Perhaps I can use that to my advantage (comparing China to the decadent Rome, and the House of Yi to Charlemagne)
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Ok just googled Germany military in 1914, holy shit.
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Postby Danceria » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:40 pm

Kelmet wrote:Ok just googled Germany military in 1914, holy shit.

Holy shit good or bad?
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Postby Kelmet » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:44 pm

Danceria wrote:
Kelmet wrote:Ok just googled Germany military in 1914, holy shit.

Holy shit good or bad?

Holy shit as in very good.
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Postby Danceria » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:49 pm

Kelmet wrote:
Danceria wrote:Holy shit good or bad?

Holy shit as in very good.

That's OTL without the apparent colonies Germany now has...I am not going to poke that hornet's nest, but rather copy their homework and use it on unsuspecting Chinese and Japanese. Also, this Germany also had Frederick the Great and Napoleon in it at the same time (if the OP history is accurate.) to say Prussia Stronk is an understatement and I am going to spam "Request alliance" until I get me some of dat on my side.
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who summoned me
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>no monarchist germany
okay bye
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Postby Grand Indochina » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:54 pm

Some basic points in Scandinavia lore :

+ In 1521, through many years of unfair treatment under the Danish rules, the Swedish and Norwegian began to raise armies and revolted against Denmark. After two years, the Danish lost the war, resulted in the independence of Norway and Sweden. The two countries were weak, especially beside them are behemoths like Moscovia or Great Britain, and decided to form a union with one another, hence the Scandinavian Union was born.

+ Scandinavia followed a different branch of Protestantism, called Rosenthalism, this religious movement is so radical and different that even other Protestants have to consider it as heresy. Rosenthalism was founded in Hohenwart, around 1342, the movement surrounded around the story of Sister Josephine Rosenthal and her "Miracles". Rosenthalism began to reach Scandinavia after their followers move to Sweden to escape inquisitions.

+ During the English Civil War, Scandinavia, under the guise to support Oliver Cromwell and his Parliamentarians, expanded its influences in the North Sea by conquer Faroe and Shetland Islands. The Scandinavian also stirred the Irish Revolution leading Ireland to break away from British domination. When the Royalists achieved victory, Oliver and his followers were transport to America by Scandinavia. Ireland later invited into the Union. The British did try a few attempts to regain their lost territories but without success.

+ In 1700, the Great Northern War broke out, the fight for domination between the alliance of Scandinavia, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth against Tsardom of Russia with supports from various German states. In the end, The Tsardom emerged victorious and established themselves as the new power in Europe, while the Commonwealth was decimated and conquered, except for Lithuania, which later join the Union to escape the fate of being swallowed by Russia.

+ To be continue...

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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:16 pm

Polish Prussian Commonwealth wrote:who summoned me
EDIT:
>no monarchist germany
okay bye

Germany doesn't always have to be monarchist, and rip indeed.
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Pretty long app. Should I join? Is California available? Is this alternate history?
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