Anno 2050 (Nation/Dead/Closed/PMT/OOC)

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Aww, thanks Plzen. I know my posts were terrible when you were Colorado and I was utah around two years ago, I'm quite proud of my improvements. But enough patting myself on the back.


I second that motion that the honorable gentleman/woman has suggested from Benuty.

I see this a lot and I wish to speak on it. Newne is not a bad writer, he's a campy writer and I think he knows it and I love him for it. His posts are always over the top while also be respectful to others and he isn't a dick who just pulls out 100k troops out of nowhere but will instead make you laugh and for that I appreciate him

Meh, intentionally incompetent RPing in general makes me cringe, but I guess Newne gets a pass on my part

[Newne Carriebean7]

Aww, thanks Plzen. I know my posts were terrible when you were Colorado and I was utah around two years ago, I'm quite proud of my improvements. But enough patting myself on the back.


I second that motion that the honorable gentleman/woman has suggested from Benuty.

I see this a lot and I wish to speak on it. Newne is not a bad writer, he's a campy writer and I think he knows it and I love him for it. His posts are always over the top while also be respectful to others and he isn't a dick who just pulls out 100k troops out of nowhere but will instead make you laugh and for that I appreciate him

I tend to self sabatoge myself such as removing my limbs as I attempt to roll up a hill with no limbs to a finish line in a race. Sometimes, and miraculously, I'm able to get halfway up the hill by sheer coincidence, but most of the time I just roll back down the hill.
The thing is, I'm not that concerned with winning, at the end of the day, RPing's just a fun and entertaining passion, I'll accept when I've canoed up shit creek using just my hands to get up to the creek, leaving the paddle at the dock.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

I see this a lot and I wish to speak on it. Newne is not a bad writer, he's a campy writer and I think he knows it and I love him for it. His posts are always over the top while also be respectful to others and he isn't a dick who just pulls out 100k troops out of nowhere but will instead make you laugh and for that I appreciate him

I tend to self sabatoge myself such as removing my limbs as I attempt to roll up a hill with no limbs to a finish line in a race. Sometimes, and miraculously, I'm able to get halfway up the hill by sheer coincidence, but most of the time I just roll back down the hill.
The thing is, I'm not that concerned with winning, at the end of the day, RPing's just a fun and entertaining passion, I'll accept when I've canoed up shit creek using just my hands to get up to the creek, leaving the paddle at the dock.

[Third Asopia]

Is this open? If so can I take West Ukraine?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

Is this open? If so can I take West Ukraine?

Yes it is, and no, Ukraine's been fully taken over by the Slavic Federation

[Third Asopia]

Is this open? If so can I take West Ukraine?

Yes it is, and no, Ukraine's been fully taken over by the Slavic Federation

Okay. Then I might as well go with Brittany.

[Arvenia]

Yes it is, and no, Ukraine's been fully taken over by the Slavic Federation

Okay. Then I might as well go with Brittany.

That's fine since there is no France here yet.

[Arvenia]

I will post on the IC soon.

[St George Territory]

I will post on the IC soon.

Could you maybe do some random events? Africa is rather quiet

[Kelmet]

I will post on the IC soon.

Could you maybe do some random events? Africa is rather quiet

I was planning on writing up some global event news announcement, but since my computer broke supporting is rather limited

[Third Asopia]

Yes it is, and no, Ukraine's been fully taken over by the Slavic Federation

Okay. Then I might as well go with Brittany.

I'll add Pays de la Loire.

[Arvenia]

I will post on the IC soon.

Could you maybe do some random events? Africa is rather quiet

Okay

Would those event involve NPC countries?

[Kelmet]

Could you maybe do some random events? Africa is rather quiet

Okay

Would those event involve NPC countries?

Yes. Some around the world as well would be great.

[St George Territory]

Okay

Would those event involve NPC countries?

Yes. Some around the world as well would be great.

That's what I was thinking, just to give people things to write about and add some flavour to the world

[The Felan Federation]

Where the fuck is Plzen?

[Plzen]

Where the fuck is Plzen?

As previously mentioned, busy.

[Plzen]

IC post is up. Should be caught up to everything now.

Britannia, I'm still waiting for your offer on this thread.

New Germany, the same. Please let me know what terms you expect to achieve in this conference, so that we can negotiate OOC and not have to spend a bunch of IC posts doing back-and-forth in-character negotiation.

[The Felan Federation]

IC post is up. Should be caught up to everything now.

Britannia, I'm still waiting for your offer on this thread.

New Germany, the same. Please let me know what terms you expect to achieve in this conference, so that we can negotiate OOC and not have to spend a bunch of IC posts doing back-and-forth in-character negotiation.

Agh. You lazy ass...

But if you must know the obvious option, then I would want my Northern England back or else it is likely to be resulting in some border skirmishes, fighting and SpecOps infiltrators. That enough of an expectation on what I want?

[Promethius Prime]

Still waiting for a decision on Japan. I can't really move forward until I know what's going on.

[Plzen]

But if you must know the obvious option, then I would want my Northern England back or else it is likely to be resulting in some border skirmishes, fighting and SpecOps infiltrators. That enough of an expectation on what I want?

Should such go ahead, naturally what the Commonwealth would want is as much of a preservation of the status quo as possible.

On the commercial side, common market between England and the member states of the Bergen System of Treaties with the Commonwealth having the right to nominate plenipotentiaries for Britain with regards to trade between this common market and third party states, a new liberal economic regime in England including partial privatisation of state-owned enterprises - British, and those of the Commonwealth with operations in Northumbria - and across-the-board deregulation along Commonwealth lines, etc. in order to ensure continuation of Northumbrian economic institutions, rights of hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation along the Northern English coastline, and British acknowledgement of and guarantees to all patents, copyright, and other intellectual property registered in the Commonwealth or one of the other member states of the Bergen System. All of which to come into effect no later than four months after the date of ratification.

In terms of diplomatic issues, obviously we'd like a formal end to the 2042 Scottish-English War with a proper peace treaty effective immediately, and otherwise, extraterritoriality within Britannia for citizens and enterprises of member states of the Bergen System, pact of nonaggression lasting 50 years between the Commonwealth and Britannia including a demilitarised zone of 6km on both side of the new border, a contribution of 20 trillion Commonwealth kroner to the member states of the Bergen System, to be divided in proportion to population, as acknowledgement for services rendered in the reconstruction of Northern England and as reparations for the 2042 Scottish-English War, with an instant transfer of 3 trillion kroner and the remainder to be paid in bi-weekly installments of 35.52 billion kroner each over 33 and 1/4 years, and all current residents of Northumbria being given six months to choose between British citizenship or Commonwealth (specifically, Scottish) residency starting from the date of ratification.

Finally, in terms of the larger international setting, an understanding that Britannia would not embark on any economic or military co-operation or integration with the Slavic Federation except in the context of a larger international organisation or multinational initiative.

Formal transfer of sovereignty over the territory to take place six months after the date of ratification, by which point the Commonwealth will have withdrawn all military and security assets in the territory concerned.

That would be our condition for the return of Northumbria. And you're not remotely in a position to threaten us with military action.

[The Felan Federation]

On the commercial side, common market between England and the member states of the Bergen System of Treaties with the Commonwealth having the right to nominate plenipotentiaries for Britain with regards to trade between this common market and third party states, a new liberal economic regime in England including partial privatisation of state-owned enterprises - British, and those of the Commonwealth with operations in Northumbria - and across-the-board deregulation along Commonwealth lines, etc. in order to ensure continuation of Northumbrian economic institutions, rights of hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation along the Northern English coastline, and British acknowledgement of and guarantees to all patents, copyright, and other intellectual property registered in the Commonwealth or one of the other member states of the Bergen System. All of which to come into effect no later than four months after the date of ratification.

This part I can get behind. As restoration of trade and commerce is likely the biggest part of what can foster mending of wounds and help heal.

In terms of diplomatic issues, obviously we'd like a formal end to the 2042 Scottish-English War with a proper peace treaty effective immediately, and otherwise, extraterritoriality within Britannia for citizens and enterprises of member states of the Bergen System, pact of nonaggression lasting 50 years between the Commonwealth and Britannia including a demilitarised zone of 6km on both side of the new border.

Doable, as Britannia isn't eager to have a repeat of the previous war that cost them Northern England.

A contribution of 20 trillion Commonwealth kroner to the member states of the Bergen System, to be divided in proportion to population, as acknowledgement for services rendered in the reconstruction of Northern England and as reparations for the 2042 Scottish-English War, with an instant transfer of 3 trillion kroner and the remainder to be paid in bi-weekly installments of 35.52 billion kroner each over 33 and 1/4 years, and all current residents of Northumbria being given six months to choose between British citizenship or Commonwealth (specifically, Scottish) residency starting from the date of ratification.

So in essence, the moment I manage to reunite my two economies. You essentially want to milk us dry? 3 Trillion is my combined GDP, provided me and Northern England reunite - I highly doubt anyone in a position of power or the power behind the throne would support something so heavy - an instantly as well. Also depending on your wording of bi-weekly (twice a week or once every two weeks) - you would want me to pay you for 33 years basically my entire GDP or half of my GDP for 33 years. That is nearly blackmail...

I might be able to agree to perhaps half of that per month. Which would still be about 7-8% GDP as simple reparations. (Which that much for reparations is considered high already)

Finally, in terms of the larger international setting, an understanding that Britannia would not embark on any economic or military co-operation or integration with the Slavic Federation except in the context of a larger international organisation or multinational initiative. Formal transfer of sovereignty over the territory to take place six months after the date of ratification, by which point the Commonwealth will have withdrawn all military and security assets in the territory concerned.

If my lands are returned peacefully and without war, then I wouldn't have any reason to become the agitator.

That would be our condition for the return of Northumbria. And you're not remotely in a position to threaten us with military action.

Perhaps. But as you said it yourself, you prefer the status quo. Plus I doubt you'd want a two-front war over your vast territory. Especially, with a million men on both fronts...

[Plzen]

So in essence, the moment I manage to reunite my two economies. You essentially want to milk us dry? 3 Trillion is my combined GDP, provided me and Northern England reunite - I highly doubt anyone in a position of power or the power behind the throne would support something so heavy - an instantly as well. Also depending on your wording of bi-weekly (twice a week or once every two weeks) - you would want me to pay you for 33 years basically my entire GDP or half of my GDP for 33 years. That is nearly blackmail...

I might be able to agree to perhaps half of that per month. Which would still be about 7-8% GDP as simple reparations. (Which that much for reparations is considered high already)

We'll halve the total reparations, then, to 10 trillion kroner.

The Trust Authority will continue to exist, albeit as a commercial and not state entity, and will not return to the government of Britannia any infrastructure, assets of fully or partially state-owned enterprises, and undeveloped real estate it possesses in Northumbria. Britannia is also to cede control of its rail, power, telecom, and water infrastructure in England south of the ceasefire border to the Trust Authority, and provide to the Trust Authority a state-enforced monopoly over the aforementioned industries. The Northern Commonwealth will consider this to be reparations worth 2.65 trillion kroner.

The government of Britannia is to cede to the Commonwealth rights to hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation in the entirety of its EEZ except in its territorial waters, and is not to levy taxes or tariffs from these industries not levied on all other industries. The Northern Commonwealth will consider this to be reparations worth 1.2 trillion kroner.

Another 850 billion kroner in reparations is to be paid as the first payment at some point within six months of ratification. This should be a reasonable amount to draw from privatisations of other state assets, natural resource licenses, and/or international loans.

Within ten years of ratification, Britannia is also to subcontract some portion of the reconstruction and development of England to companies headquartered in a member state of the Bergen System of Treaties to the sum of 600 billion kroner, and 1/2 of this sum will count towards payment of reparations.

Applying a very sub-market interest of 1.25% per annum, the remaining 5 trillion kroner is to be paid in monthly installments of 13.24 billion kroner each over 40 years, with the first such payment occurring six months after ratification.

The Northern Commonwealth will maintain a military and police base in Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Hull, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne, totalling no more than 5,000 armed men, until the final payment is made. During this period, Britannia is also to limit the sum of its military, police, security, and intelligence budgets to a maximum of 6% of GDP.

This is the compromise we can offer. Smaller total payment, lower interest, longer period of repayments, in exchange for some concessions.

[The Felan Federation]

We'll halve the total reparations, then, to 10 trillion kroner.

Okay that sounds a bit better.

The Trust Authority will continue to exist, albeit as a commercial and not state entity, and will not return to the government of Britannia any infrastructure, assets of fully or partially state-owned enterprises, and undeveloped real estate it possesses in Northumbria. Britannia is also to cede control of its rail, power, telecom, and water infrastructure in England south of the ceasefire border to the Trust Authority, and provide to the Trust Authority a state-enforced monopoly over the aforementioned industries.

So you are in essence wanting me to hand you - another foreign state power over my transportation, communication, electricity and water? Yeah. Anyone with a decent sense in realpolitik can see how dangerous it is - and be forced to deny such on the basis ground on not getting fecked over - whenever there is some political disagreements. Perhaps a 50/50 share might be a better deal.

The government of Britannia is to cede to the Commonwealth rights to hydrocarbon exploration and exploitation in the entirety of its EEZ except in its territorial waters, and is not to levy taxes or tariffs from these industries not levied on all other industries.

While it might sound nice. You are wanting me to give up any and all gas-oil fields - without even being able to tax them. That isn't any better. Since you'd basically make me your personal resource basket.

Within ten years of ratification, Britannia is also to subcontract some portion of the reconstruction and development of England to companies headquartered in a member state of the Bergen System of Treaties to the sum of 600 billion kroner, and 1/2 of this sum will count towards payment of reparations.

This concession is so-and-so. Since I would have to give access to your countries for rebuilding my lands - without any guarantee that you won't milk it or do a well-enough job.

The Northern Commonwealth will maintain a military and police base in Liverpool, Manchester, Leeds, Hull, and Newcastle-upon-Tyne, totalling no more than 5,000 armed men, until the final payment is made. During this period, Britannia is also to limit the sum of its military, police, security, and intelligence budgets to a maximum of 6% of GDP.

Considering all the other things, we'd accept no less than a total withdrawal of all Commonwealth forces to the DMZ. Then and only then might we consider limiting our security budget. But until we have likely-enemy bases on our own soil - that reduction can't be accepted.

[Plzen]

Perhaps a 50/50 share might be a better deal.

This is acceptable. 50/50 it is.

You are wanting me to give up any and all gas-oil fields - without even being able to tax them.

You will retain the right to tax the extraction - just not more heavily than other industries.

This concession is so-and-so. Since I would have to give access to your countries for rebuilding my lands - without any guarantee that you won't milk it or do a well-enough job.

I'll waive it, then, if you can simply pay the additional 300 billion kroner as part of your monthly payments.

Considering all the other things, we'd accept no less than a total withdrawal of all Commonwealth forces to the DMZ. Then and only then might we consider limiting our security budget. But until we have likely-enemy bases on our own soil - that reduction can't be accepted.

That is acceptable. If you accept the 6% limitation we'll give up the military bases.

Agreed?

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

IC post is up. Should be caught up to everything now.

Britannia, I'm still waiting for your offer on this thread.

New Germany, the same. Please let me know what terms you expect to achieve in this conference, so that we can negotiate OOC and not have to spend a bunch of IC posts doing back-and-forth in-character negotiation.

So New Germany's biggest interests include:
1) Building Material and Building Equipment (as our most immediate resources and infrastructure access to those resources had been exhausted or damaged, and much of our equipment had also been damaged)
2) Cheaper more convenient electronics (for our citizens, as at this moment we'd rather not spend too much resources for their demand, and for our military, as we are interested in getting more electronics and techs to upgrade our older models of warships or planes)

New Germany would be willing to allow contracts with Nordic Private Companies and allow them to base in the Fatherland, as well as selling their products. However, the New German Government would like to have some sort of say in these company's products distribution and manufacturing