North vs South: Alternate cold war RP [OOC/CLOSED]

[Agarntrop]

Full nation name: The United Kingdom of the British Isles
Short nation name: The UK
Head of state: Queen elizabeth II
Head of government: Clement Attlee
Flag: https://img00.deviantart.net/33ec/i/2011/318/b/1/flag_of_the_commonwealth_by_martin23230-d4g6nh8.png
Claimed Land: The UK
Capital: London
Population:69,183,173 [Not counting Her majesties's Dominions and commonwealth]
Backstory: After WW2 The people of Great britian rioted, saying that if we genocided the native african, indians, and asians how much different are we from the germans and french, and that's when it all changed for the conservative party. The Libertarian left ideology has gained popularity, Her majesties colonies were granted dominion status in 1946. Ireland was reincorporated into the UK in 48. Industrialization and Liberalization is at full swing, however radical communism as seen from france has been strictly prohibited, Immigration among the dominions in africa are still quite harder than the ones in the middle east and asia, Which has made an increase on population on the main british isles. Rule Brittania!!

Denied, several issues.

[Bolslania]

Well that's just business

Yes, but if you aren't a friend of the Republic of Newfoundland, oops! Your pilots have been detained by airport security because they lack the proper permits!

OOF! Then people in America might angry, saying things like "What papers!" and get thirsty for revenge.

[Duestchstien]

Full Nation Name: Union of Brazil
Short Nation Name: Brazil
Head of State: Prime Minister Juscelino Kubitschek
Head of Government: Prime Minister Juscelino Kubitschek
Flag:

Claimed Land: Brazil
Capital: Rio de Janeiro
Population: 46 Million
Backstory (if applicable): In 1940 Vargas would be deposed by the military. General Eurico Gaspar Dutra would become the temporal president. He would create the Constitutional Party, and also write the New Brazilian Constitution with several other people. This new model would be like the british government but would remove the need for a monarch. The new Government would show heavy support for the USA in the war, and would sponsor the ideas of John Maynard Kaynes, creating a lot of demand through social projects. The Brazilians would turn their country into a massive farmland using phosphorus to fertilize the once unarable land inland. They would also create the Brazilian Coastal Highways, a series of 3 highways along the Brazilian coast that started at Pelotas and went all the way up to Macapa. The country would modernize their rail system. They would make John Maynard Kaynes the Dean of the new Brazilian University System. This included the University of Rio, University of Sao Paulo, University of Porto Alegre, University of Recife, University of Sao Luis, and the University of Manaus. Dutra would decide not to run for Prime Minister in 1944, and hand his role of Prime Minister to his protege, Juscelino Kubitschek.

[Communist Sovietics]

Full nation name: German Democratic Republic
Short nation name: East Germany
Head of state: Wilhelm Pieck
Head of government: Otto Grotewohl
Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_German_Democratic_Republic.svg
Claimed Land: East germany
Capital: East Berlin
Population: 18,388,000
Backstory (if applicable): Explaining the internal impact of the DDR regime from the perspective of German history in the long term, historian Gerhard A. Ritter (2002) has argued that the East German state was defined by two dominant forces – Soviet Communism on the one hand, and German traditions filtered through the interwar experiences of German Communists on the other. It always was constrained by the powerful example of the increasingly prosperous West, to which East Germans compared their nation. The changes wrought by the Communists were most apparent in ending capitalism and transforming industry and agriculture, in the militarization of society, and in the political thrust of the educational system and the media. On the other hand, there was relatively little change made in the historically independent domains of the sciences, the engineering professions, the Protestant churches, and in many bourgeois lifestyles. Social policy, says Ritter, became a critical legitimization tool in the last decades and mixed socialist and traditional elements about equally.

Denied, communism is French in this timeline, not Soviet. You will have to change the location of the DDR to even be thought about being accepted.

ok thanks

[Tysoania]

Yes, but if you aren't a friend of the Republic of Newfoundland, oops! Your pilots have been detained by airport security because they lack the proper permits!

OOF! Then people in America might angry, saying things like "What papers!" and get thirsty for revenge.

We might be able to work a guerrilla war into this RP after all, but instead of Viet Cong, it'll be the Lobster Trapper's Front.

[Arvenia]

Full nation name: Kingdom of Korea
Short nation name: Korea
Native name (Hangul): 한국의 왕국
Native name (Westernized): Hangug-ui Wang-gug
Head of state: King Eun
Head of government: High Councillor Baekbeom
Form of government: Unitary Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy
Legislature: Parliament (의회/Uihoe)
Flag: Royal Flag of Korea
Claimed Land: South Korea, North Korea, Kyushu, Iki, Tsushima, Ryukyu Islands, Liancourt Rocks and Senkaku Island (probably disputed)
Capital: Seoul
Military Branches: Royal Army (왕실 군대/Wangsil Gundae), Royal Navy (왕실 해군/Wangsil Haegun), Royal Air Force (왕립 공군/Wanglib Gong-gun), Royal Marines (왕실 해병대/Wangsil Haebyeongdae), Military Police (헌병/Heon-byeong), Mobile Reserve Forces (동원예비군/Dongwon Yebigun) and Home Reserve Forces (향토예비군/Hyangto Yebigun)
Population: 49,250,000
Backstory (if applicable): Same as IRL, except for the final days of WW2. When Japan was defeated following the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the USA, the Korean people regained their freedom. Euimin, the Crown Prince of Korea, was never a pro-Japanese collaborator here, instead, he supported the Korean independence movement in secret. After independence, Korea became a monarchy with him as King Eun. The country, beside keeping the peninsula, got some additional territory. Namely, Korea was never put under Allied rule, instead it became independent automatically because there is no USSR here.

[Bolslania]

OOF! Then people in America might angry, saying things like "What papers!" and get thirsty for revenge.

We might be able to work a guerrilla war into this RP after all, but instead of Viet Cong, it'll be the Lobster Trapper's Front.

Yes, the great 2 second guerrilla war before the Americas just Agent oranged the placed and killed all the fishies.

[Agarntrop]

Full Nation Name: Union of Brazil
Short Nation Name: Brazil
Head of State: Prime Minister Juscelino Kubitschek
Head of Government: Prime Minister Juscelino Kubitschek
Flag:

(Image)

Claimed Land: Brazil
Capital: Rio de Janeiro
Population: 46 Million
Backstory (if applicable): In 1940 Vargas would be deposed by the military. General Eurico Gaspar Dutra would become the temporal president. He would create the Constitutional Party, and also write the New Brazilian Constitution with several other people. This new model would be like the british government but would remove the need for a monarch. The new Government would show heavy support for the USA in the war, and would sponsor the ideas of John Maynard Kaynes, creating a lot of demand through social projects. The Brazilians would turn their country into a massive farmland using phosphorus to fertilize the once unarable land inland. They would also create the Brazilian Coastal Highways, a series of 3 highways along the Brazilian coast that started at Pelotas and went all the way up to Macapa. The country would modernize their rail system. They would make John Maynard Kaynes the Dean of the new Brazilian University System. This included the University of Rio, University of Sao Paulo, University of Porto Alegre, University of Recife, University of Sao Luis, and the University of Manaus. Dutra would decide not to run for Prime Minister in 1944, and hand his role of Prime Minister to his protege, Juscelino Kubitschek.

Accepted

[Agarntrop]

Full nation name: Kingdom of Korea
Short nation name: Korea
Native name (Hangul): 한국의 왕국
Native name (Westernized): Hangug-ui Wang-gug
Head of state: King Eun
Head of government: High Councillor Baekbeom
Form of government: Unitary Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy
Legislature: Parliament (의회/Uihoe)
Flag: Royal Flag of Korea
Claimed Land: South Korea, North Korea, Kyushu, Iki, Tsushima, Ryukyu Islands, Liancourt Rocks and Senkaku Island (probably disputed)
Capital: Seoul
Military Branches: Royal Army (왕실 군대/Wangsil Gundae), Royal Navy (왕실 해군/Wangsil Haegun), Royal Air Force (왕립 공군/Wanglib Gong-gun), Royal Marines (왕실 해병대/Wangsil Haebyeongdae), Military Police (헌병/Heon-byeong), Mobile Reserve Forces (동원예비군/Dongwon Yebigun) and Home Reserve Forces (향토예비군/Hyangto Yebigun)
Population: 49,250,000
Backstory (if applicable): Same as IRL, except for the final days of WW2. When Japan was defeated following the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the USA, the Korean people regained their freedom. Euimin, the Crown Prince of Korea, was never a pro-Japanese collaborator here, instead, he supported the Korean independence movement in secret. After independence, Korea became a monarchy with him as King Eun. The country, beside keeping the peninsula, got some additional territory. Namely, Korea was never put under Allied rule, instead it became independent automatically because there is no USSR here.

But there is Russia. Denied

[Ruslava]

Full nation name: Kingdom of Korea
Short nation name: Korea
Native name (Hangul): 한국의 왕국
Native name (Westernized): Hangug-ui Wang-gug
Head of state: King Eun
Head of government: High Councillor Baekbeom
Form of government: Unitary Constitutional Parliamentary Monarchy
Legislature: Parliament (의회/Uihoe)
Flag: Royal Flag of Korea
Claimed Land: South Korea, North Korea, Kyushu, Iki, Tsushima, Ryukyu Islands, Liancourt Rocks and Senkaku Island (probably disputed)
Capital: Seoul
Military Branches: Royal Army (왕실 군대/Wangsil Gundae), Royal Navy (왕실 해군/Wangsil Haegun), Royal Air Force (왕립 공군/Wanglib Gong-gun), Royal Marines (왕실 해병대/Wangsil Haebyeongdae), Military Police (헌병/Heon-byeong), Mobile Reserve Forces (동원예비군/Dongwon Yebigun) and Home Reserve Forces (향토예비군/Hyangto Yebigun)
Population: 49,250,000
Backstory (if applicable): Same as IRL, except for the final days of WW2. When Japan was defeated following the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the USA, the Korean people regained their freedom. Euimin, the Crown Prince of Korea, was never a pro-Japanese collaborator here, instead, he supported the Korean independence movement in secret. After independence, Korea became a monarchy with him as King Eun. The country, beside keeping the peninsula, got some additional territory. Namely, Korea was never put under Allied rule, instead it became independent automatically because there is no USSR here.

But there is Russia. Denied

Just a point a monarchist Russia if it took Korea at the end of the Second World War would possibly set up a puppet monarchist government, assuming of course the US didn’t take the south.

[Agarntrop]

But there is Russia. Denied

Just a point a monarchist Russia if it took Korea at the end of the Second World War would possibly set up a puppet monarchist government, assuming of course the US didn’t take the south.

If the US took the South and Russia took the north, then most likely a United Republic would be established. But I'll allow a constitutional monarchy.

[Nurenia]

Full nation name: Ottoman Republic
Short nation name: The Ottomans
Head of state: Haamid al-Jabara
Head of government: Abdul al-Shabazz
Flag:

Claimed Land: Pre-WW1 Ottoman lands, the Arabian Peninsula, lands taken by Russia from the Ottomans in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78
Capital: Constantinople
Population: 53,274,963
Backstory (if applicable): During WW1, the Ottoman Empire sided with the Entente instead of the Central Powers. As a result, their empire stayed intact during the peace talks and even regained some of the land it had lost in the Russo-Turkish Wars, along with being able to annex virtually all the Arabian peninsula which were mainly British. Internal issues such as calls for independence were kept reasonably contained, at least to the point where a civil war was very unlikely. Internal ethnic tensions were settled by way of an established federal model and constitution similar to Spain's. In the 1930s, oil was discovered in the region, making the Ottomans extremely rich; however, this led to heavy competition with the nation's neighbor, Persia. They both industrialized and Westernized quickly not unlike Japan had done roughly a few decades ago: by 1945, they had both established solid industrial platforms. Following World War Two, just as a cold war was brewing between the North and the South, another cold war, albeit a more minor one, was in the making between the mostly Shia Persia and the now democratic Sunni Ottoman Republic. This new Middle East is far from stable, but it remains more so than in our timeline since neither the Sykes-Picot Agreement nor the rise of Wahhabism happened.

[Agarntrop]

Full nation name: Ottoman Republic
Short nation name: The Ottomans
Head of state: Haamid al-Jabara
Head of government: Same as above
Flag:

(Image)

Claimed Land: Pre-WW1 Ottoman lands, the Arabian Peninsula, lands taken by Russia from the Ottomans in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78
Capital: Constantinople
Population: 53,274,963
Backstory (if applicable): During WW1, the Ottoman Empire sided with the Entente instead of the Central Powers. As a result, their empire stayed intact during the peace talks and even regained some of the land it had lost in the Russo-Turkish Wars, along with being able to annex virtually all the Arabian peninsula which were mainly British. Internal issues such as calls for independence were kept reasonably contained, at least to the point where a civil war was very unlikely. Internal ethnic tensions were settled by way of an established federal model and constitution similar to Spain's. In the 1930s, oil was discovered in the region, making the Ottomans extremely rich; however, this led to heavy competition with the nation's neighbor, Persia. They both industrialized and Westernized quickly not unlike Japan had done roughly a few decades ago: by 1945, they had both established solid industrial platforms. Following World War Two, just as a cold war was brewing between the North and the South, another cold war, albeit a more minor one, was in the making between the mostly Shia Persia and the now democratic Sunni Ottoman Republic. This new Middle East is far from stable, but it remains more so than in our timeline since neither the Sykes-Picot Agreement nor the rise of Wahhabism happened.

I need an explanation for why the Ottomans joined the allies.

[Nurenia]

Full nation name: Ottoman Republic
Short nation name: The Ottomans
Head of state: Haamid al-Jabara
Head of government: Abdul al-Shabazz
Flag:

(Image)

Claimed Land: Pre-WW1 Ottoman lands, the Arabian Peninsula, lands taken by Russia from the Ottomans in the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78
Capital: Constantinople
Population: 53,274,963
Backstory (if applicable): During WW1, the Ottoman Empire sided with the Entente instead of the Central Powers. As a result, their empire stayed intact during the peace talks and even regained some of the land it had lost in the Russo-Turkish Wars, along with being able to annex virtually all the Arabian peninsula which were mainly British. Internal issues such as calls for independence were kept reasonably contained, at least to the point where a civil war was very unlikely. Internal ethnic tensions were settled by way of an established federal model and constitution similar to Spain's. In the 1930s, oil was discovered in the region, making the Ottomans extremely rich; however, this led to heavy competition with the nation's neighbor, Persia. They both industrialized and Westernized quickly not unlike Japan had done roughly a few decades ago: by 1945, they had both established solid industrial platforms. Following World War Two, just as a cold war was brewing between the North and the South, another cold war, albeit a more minor one, was in the making between the mostly Shia Persia and the now democratic Sunni Ottoman Republic. This new Middle East is far from stable, but it remains more so than in our timeline since neither the Sykes-Picot Agreement nor the rise of Wahhabism happened.

I need an explanation for why the Ottomans joined the allies.

After the Italo-Turkish War and the Balkan Wars, the Ottoman Empire was in shambles, most of their resources having been used in these two wars. As tensions in Europe seemed to be coming to a boiling point, it was extremely unlikely that the Ottomans could maintain neutrality; they needed to ally with a European power, didn't matter which one. They tried to align with the Entente; while Serbia, Russia, and by extension France weren't exactly in favor of this, the British saw them as a potentially pivotal strategic ally in the coming war, controlling the waterways connecting Russia's coasts on the Black Sea to the Mediterranean and furthermore to the Suez Canal and the jewel of the British Empire, India. The Young Turks' ideology in this timeline is more tame, specifically on the subjects of pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism, only decreasing British opposition to the idea. The Ottomans were willing to put aside their conflicts with Serbia and Russia for the purpose of joining the Entente, and the British decided to take a chance and allow them in. During the war, Russian supplies going through to the other powers by sea and vice versa, along with troops not being needed to secure Egypt and the operation of Gallipoli never taking place led to a somewhat swifter Entente victory. Post-war, the Orient Express also increased the Ottoman connection to industrialized Europe, as its route to Constantinople was extended all the way down to Baghdad in the early 1920s at the request of the Sultan.

[Arvenia]

Just a point a monarchist Russia if it took Korea at the end of the Second World War would possibly set up a puppet monarchist government, assuming of course the US didn’t take the south.

If the US took the South and Russia took the north, then most likely a United Republic would be established. But I'll allow a constitutional monarchy.

Is Scandinavia available? Beside that, can Yugoslavia be non-communist?

[Arvenia]

Full nation name: Social Democratic Republic of Scandinavia (Socialdemokratiska Republiken Skandinavien)
Short nation name: Scandinavia
Head of state: Secretary-General Tage Erlander
Head of government: Prime Minister Tove Matsson
Ruling party: Social Democratic Party of Scandinavia
Flag: Bork
Claimed Land: Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark
Capital: Stockholm
Population: 8,000,000 (Approximately)
Military Branches: Scandinavian People's Army, Scandinavian People's Navy, Scandinavian Air Force, Scandinavian Defence Police (gendarmerie), Civil Defence Forces (home guard) and Workers' Guard (political military wing)
Backstory: Essentially, in this world, much of Scandinavia was occupied by the Germans during WW2 except for Finland, which was an ally of Nazi Germany. The countries of Sweden, Denmark and Norway revolted against Germany during the final days of the war. After it was over, they all unified alongside Finland after it suffered a brief conflict with the Germans. The SDRS was formed and it became an ally of France in the opening days of the Cold War. It is essentially this RP's equivalent to both Maoist China and Titoist Yugoslavia.

[Agarntrop]

I need an explanation for why the Ottomans joined the allies.

After the Italo-Turkish War and the Balkan Wars, the Ottoman Empire was in shambles, most of their resources having been used in these two wars. As tensions in Europe seemed to be coming to a boiling point, it was extremely unlikely that the Ottomans could maintain neutrality; they needed to ally with a European power, didn't matter which one. They tried to align with the Entente; while Serbia, Russia, and by extension France weren't exactly in favor of this, the British saw them as a potentially pivotal strategic ally in the coming war, controlling the waterways connecting Russia's coasts on the Black Sea to the Mediterranean and furthermore to the Suez Canal and the jewel of the British Empire, India. The Young Turks' ideology in this timeline is more tame, specifically on the subjects of pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism, only decreasing British opposition to the idea. The Ottomans were willing to put aside their conflicts with Serbia and Russia for the purpose of joining the Entente, and the British decided to take a chance and allow them in. During the war, Russian supplies going through to the other powers by sea and vice versa, along with troops not being needed to secure Egypt and the operation of Gallipoli never taking place led to a somewhat swifter Entente victory. Post-war, the Orient Express also increased the Ottoman connection to industrialized Europe, as its route to Constantinople was extended all the way down to Baghdad in the early 1920s at the request of the Sultan.

Okay, but I've realised that my app contradicts your app, so no.

[Agarntrop]

Full nation name: Social Democratic Republic of Scandinavia (Socialdemokratiska Republiken Skandinavien)
Short nation name: Scandinavia
Head of state: General-Secretary Tage Erlander
Head of government: Prime Minister Tove Matsson
Ruling party: Social Democratic Party of Scandinavia
Flag: Bork
Claimed Land: Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark
Capital: Stockholm
Population: 8,000,000 (Approximately)
Military Branches: Scandinavian People's Army, Scandinavian People's Navy, Scandinavian Air Force, Scandinavian Defence Police (gendarmerie), Home Defence Forces (home guard) and Workers' Guard (political military wing)
Backstory: Essentially, in this world, much of Scandinavia was occupied by the Germans during WW2 except for Finland, which was an ally of Nazi Germany. The countries of Sweden, Denmark and Norway revolted against Germany during the final days of the war. After it was over, they all unified alongside Finland after it suffered a brief conflict with the Germans. The SDRS was formed and it became an ally of France in the opening days of the Cold War. It is essentially this RP's equivalent to both Maoist China and Titoist Yugoslavia.

Accepted

[Nurenia]

After the Italo-Turkish War and the Balkan Wars, the Ottoman Empire was in shambles, most of their resources having been used in these two wars. As tensions in Europe seemed to be coming to a boiling point, it was extremely unlikely that the Ottomans could maintain neutrality; they needed to ally with a European power, didn't matter which one. They tried to align with the Entente; while Serbia, Russia, and by extension France weren't exactly in favor of this, the British saw them as a potentially pivotal strategic ally in the coming war, controlling the waterways connecting Russia's coasts on the Black Sea to the Mediterranean and furthermore to the Suez Canal and the jewel of the British Empire, India. The Young Turks' ideology in this timeline is more tame, specifically on the subjects of pan-Islamism and pan-Turkism, only decreasing British opposition to the idea. The Ottomans were willing to put aside their conflicts with Serbia and Russia for the purpose of joining the Entente, and the British decided to take a chance and allow them in. During the war, Russian supplies going through to the other powers by sea and vice versa, along with troops not being needed to secure Egypt and the operation of Gallipoli never taking place led to a somewhat swifter Entente victory. Post-war, the Orient Express also increased the Ottoman connection to industrialized Europe, as its route to Constantinople was extended all the way down to Baghdad in the early 1920s at the request of the Sultan.

Okay, but I've realised that my app contradicts your app, so no.

I see that though my nation can't exactly exist with what's currently in place as it is, it doesn't seem like the ceded Ottoman territories are a major part of your app and there isn't an accepted RP UK yet, so would you consider making that slight modification to your app?

[Agarntrop]

Okay, but I've realised that my app contradicts your app, so no.

I see that though my nation can't exactly exist with what's currently in place as it is, it doesn't seem like the ceded Ottoman territories are a major part of your app and there isn't an accepted RP UK yet, so would you consider making that slight modification to your app?

Sorry, but I think this needs to be clear, I AM THE OP, YOU ARE THE APPLICANT. NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND. I also can't see how the Ottomans would join the entente (I.e. Russia)

[Tysoania]

I see that though my nation can't exactly exist with what's currently in place as it is, it doesn't seem like the ceded Ottoman territories are a major part of your app and there isn't an accepted RP UK yet, so would you consider making that slight modification to your app?

Sorry, but I think this needs to be clear, I AM THE OP, YOU ARE THE APPLICANT. NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND.

That's a bit aggressive. The player is just asking if you could cede a worthless patch of sand so that they can play as a larger nation. No need for the red text.

[Meridiun]

Tag for socialist Britain (if possible)

[Arvenia]

Tag for socialist Britain (if possible)

I think the UK is anti-socialist here like IRL.

[Meridiun]

Tag for socialist Britain (if possible)

I think the UK is anti-socialist here like IRL.

That's why I put in "if possible"

[Ruskland-Preuben]

Japanese reserve pls.
And since no Molotov-Ribbentrop occured, can I have a chunk of Siberia too?