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by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:18 am
by The V O I D » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:34 am
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:07 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Still here. Just taking a while with the post. Had to do a lot more reading than I thought I did, plus I'm kind of trying to plot out what I'll be doing for the next few posts, as it's mostly internal stuff.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:08 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Still here. Just taking a while with the post. Had to do a lot more reading than I thought I did, plus I'm kind of trying to plot out what I'll be doing for the next few posts, as it's mostly internal stuff.
And nice post for Ethiopia too! It's clear that you know your stuff when it comes to Ethiopian titles and internal issues, I had to use Google's help in order to understand what each of those words meant xD
I'll include an answer from Michael through the Logothete of the Drome in my next post.
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:19 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:And nice post for Ethiopia too! It's clear that you know your stuff when it comes to Ethiopian titles and internal issues, I had to use Google's help in order to understand what each of those words meant xD
I'll include an answer from Michael through the Logothete of the Drome in my next post.
Oh man I had to read so much just for that post (and my app), you have no idea. It won't be long until I speak Amharic.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:24 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Oh man I had to read so much just for that post (and my app), you have no idea. It won't be long until I speak Amharic.
Well, Ethiopia is a very interesting country indeed, and doing some research can be really nice xD
And as for Michael's answer - he will basically agree to all of that, but the building of railways and roads will have to wait until the Exarch of Nubia manages to fully pacify his province.
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:28 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Well, Ethiopia is a very interesting country indeed, and doing some research can be really nice xD
And as for Michael's answer - he will basically agree to all of that, but the building of railways and roads will have to wait until the Exarch of Nubia manages to fully pacify his province.
Sounds good! I'll continue my research now for the upcoming Ethiopian Civil War, and will hopefully have a post up sooner than this last post took.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:31 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Sounds good! I'll continue my research now for the upcoming Ethiopian Civil War, and will hopefully have a post up sooner than this last post took.
An Ethiopian Civil War? That will certainly be interesting!
The Roman position on that will be difficult to explain though. They would probably indirectly support Melnik - but the basic idea is that the Romans want to have a friendly regime in Ethiopia in order to secure a peaceful border there and to ensure that the Gulf of Aden is peaceful for trade going through the Suez.
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:36 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:An Ethiopian Civil War? That will certainly be interesting!
The Roman position on that will be difficult to explain though. They would probably indirectly support Melnik - but the basic idea is that the Romans want to have a friendly regime in Ethiopia in order to secure a peaceful border there and to ensure that the Gulf of Aden is peaceful for trade going through the Suez.
Yeah both sides will probably want their side to gain legitimacy by currying favor with the Byzantines. Right now things are pretty tense and both sides are trying to see where the battle lines are going to be drawn, but I'm still trying to figure out the basic outline of this conflict.
by Raetia Secunda » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:39 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Hmm, I'm really not sure if the Romans would recognize the Persian leader as a Basileus.
Nice post though xD
And yeah, I would assume that the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem would block Marcionites from having access to the important places there and to relics like the True Cross.
by Terminus Pheonix » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:46 am
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:46 am
Raetia Secunda wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Hmm, I'm really not sure if the Romans would recognize the Persian leader as a Basileus.
Nice post though xD
And yeah, I would assume that the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem would block Marcionites from having access to the important places there and to relics like the True Cross.
Thanks! Hope it wasn't a bit ott with the mystery. I'll be following it on with a continuation of the three threads of the story soon.
At this stage I'm planning for the pilgrimage to Jerusalem to be harmless. I think the Orthodox barring them from something like the Holy Sepulchre would trigger some sort of crisis, though how seriously Shenariyah takes it we'll have to see. The Patriarch would be lobbying for some sort of action, though he'd be pushing against the neo political establishment of the PM that tried to stop the pilgrimage in the first place.
by Plzen » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:52 am
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:57 am
Plzen wrote:The Commonwealth has enough fires to put out right here at home and is no longer particularly able to meddle in east African affairs. Alas, all we can really do is arm the opposition with army-surplus small arms, which are a decade or two out of date but should be better than what local forces field. The broken relations between the Commonwealth and the regime at Ethiopia will have to be lived with. But you'd do well to keep in mind the Scandinavian soul...
The North does not forget.
The North does not forgive.
The Commonwealth will wash this national humiliation off her unblemished skin with the freely flowing blood our our enemies.
by Raetia Secunda » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:58 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Raetia Secunda wrote:
Thanks! Hope it wasn't a bit ott with the mystery. I'll be following it on with a continuation of the three threads of the story soon.
At this stage I'm planning for the pilgrimage to Jerusalem to be harmless. I think the Orthodox barring them from something like the Holy Sepulchre would trigger some sort of crisis, though how seriously Shenariyah takes it we'll have to see. The Patriarch would be lobbying for some sort of action, though he'd be pushing against the neo political establishment of the PM that tried to stop the pilgrimage in the first place.
Well, as of right now, I do imagine that the relations between Persia and the ERE are rather frosty. Not because the Romans would have any intention to expand against the Persian state - but mainly because we don't have many historical reasons to be friendly. The Romans had an Eternal Peace with the Sassanids, so they probably consider the modern Persian dynasties to be barbaric and foreign - which is a point of view that would have developed from the Middle Ages. And the religion of this new Persia isn't making things any easier - it would be even more of a heresy to Orthodox eyes than the Monophysitism and Arianism that the Empire had to fight against in its early days.
Now, the policy of the new Basileus, Michael, seems to be focused on detente - but he is in Rome right now, he won't be able to control the reactions of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem who will most likely be horrified by the idea of a pilgrimage of heretics. But, another thing that should be taken into account is that the Orthodox Church has been keeping a strong control over the Holy Sepulchre ever since they took over it during the Crusades.
Terminus Pheonix wrote:Still here, and still looking for allies against the Nordic influence in the Persian Gulf.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:05 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Plzen wrote:The Commonwealth has enough fires to put out right here at home and is no longer particularly able to meddle in east African affairs. Alas, all we can really do is arm the opposition with army-surplus small arms, which are a decade or two out of date but should be better than what local forces field. The broken relations between the Commonwealth and the regime at Ethiopia will have to be lived with. But you'd do well to keep in mind the Scandinavian soul...
The North does not forget.
The North does not forgive.
The Commonwealth will wash this national humiliation off her unblemished skin with the freely flowing blood our our enemies.
Well, I suppose that the Romans weren't overly delighted by the idea of Nordic influence in the Gulf of Aden and in East Africa, so while the war seems to have been short, the Romans might have sent a couple shipments of weapons to the Ethiopians back then, probably by mistake
Terminus Pheonix wrote:Still here, and still looking for allies against the Nordic influence in the Persian Gulf.
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:06 am
Raetia Secunda wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Well, as of right now, I do imagine that the relations between Persia and the ERE are rather frosty. Not because the Romans would have any intention to expand against the Persian state - but mainly because we don't have many historical reasons to be friendly. The Romans had an Eternal Peace with the Sassanids, so they probably consider the modern Persian dynasties to be barbaric and foreign - which is a point of view that would have developed from the Middle Ages. And the religion of this new Persia isn't making things any easier - it would be even more of a heresy to Orthodox eyes than the Monophysitism and Arianism that the Empire had to fight against in its early days.
Now, the policy of the new Basileus, Michael, seems to be focused on detente - but he is in Rome right now, he won't be able to control the reactions of the Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem who will most likely be horrified by the idea of a pilgrimage of heretics. But, another thing that should be taken into account is that the Orthodox Church has been keeping a strong control over the Holy Sepulchre ever since they took over it during the Crusades.
Rome and Persia may not be allies, but I'm sure the neo-politicians of Shenariyah would find much common ground for cooperation with Constantinople - with the challenge from Russia and from the Arabian Peninsula (be it Arab or Nordic) as well as regional economic issues. But yes, religiously we're as heretic as you can get, Marcionism being almost the first heresy. But the Patriarch would certainly try and use such an incident to leverage greater influence in Shenariyah, at the expense of the Royal Council. So basically the RC is your friend and the Marcionite Church your enemyTerminus Pheonix wrote:Still here, and still looking for allies against the Nordic influence in the Persian Gulf.
I do want to get involved in the region, hence the naval buildup in Orkoe (Uruk), though I'm not sure how or even on which side. What is the situation like there, you're preparing to retake the Nordic Concession?
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:06 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Well, I suppose that the Romans weren't overly delighted by the idea of Nordic influence in the Gulf of Aden and in East Africa, so while the war seems to have been short, the Romans might have sent a couple shipments of weapons to the Ethiopians back then, probably by mistake
"Whoops, it looks like I accidentally left a thousand rifles and a million bullets in an Ethiopian port. Oh well."
by Raetia Secunda » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:11 am
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:14 am
Raetia Secunda wrote:Persia is in a bit of a pickle in Arabia. In the event of a Nordic-Arabian war, we would definitely be looking to improve our position in the Gulf, but is that through expelling the Nordics or helping them to balance out power in the area? It would also depend on how Constantinople would react.
And yeah, if Nordic plays a heavy hand in both Arabia and Ethiopia we would be inclined to expelling Western European oppressors
by Plzen » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:22 am
Raetia Secunda wrote:And yeah, if Nordic plays a heavy hand in both Arabia and Ethiopia we would be inclined to expelling Western European oppressors
Tracian Empire wrote:Well, Constantinople would also be in a bit of a pickle. On the one hand, the Romans wouldn't like the idea of the Nords expanding their lands there - but then again, trade with the Nordic Commonwealth would be nice. And on the other hand, it's not like the Romans like Arabia too much - talks of a Caliphate in the Arabian Peninsula disgust those who have read books about the empire's old history, and it makes the Roman citizens look angrily at those Muslims who still live in Roman themes.
by Raetia Secunda » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:23 am
Tracian Empire wrote:Raetia Secunda wrote:Persia is in a bit of a pickle in Arabia. In the event of a Nordic-Arabian war, we would definitely be looking to improve our position in the Gulf, but is that through expelling the Nordics or helping them to balance out power in the area? It would also depend on how Constantinople would react.
And yeah, if Nordic plays a heavy hand in both Arabia and Ethiopia we would be inclined to expelling Western European oppressors
Well, Constantinople would also be in a bit of a pickle. On the one hand, the Romans wouldn't like the idea of the Nords expanding their lands there - but then again, trade with the Nordic Commonwealth would be nice. And on the other hand, it's not like the Romans like Arabia too much - talks of a Caliphate in the Arabian Peninsula disgust those who have read books about the empire's old history, and it makes the Roman citizens look angrily at those Muslims who still live in Roman themes.
by Raetia Secunda » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:27 am
Plzen wrote:Raetia Secunda wrote:And yeah, if Nordic plays a heavy hand in both Arabia and Ethiopia we would be inclined to expelling Western European oppressors
It's very unlikely that Norden will be pushed towards taking a heavy stance in Arabia. With its interests bound in every corner of the globe it simply can no longer afford the grand colonial and imperialist ventures of centuries past.
Norden has very little to lose throwing dice in East Africa, but in Arabia where it already has an established presence and interconnected regional interests, it would be much more interested in the preservation of the status quo.Tracian Empire wrote:Well, Constantinople would also be in a bit of a pickle. On the one hand, the Romans wouldn't like the idea of the Nords expanding their lands there - but then again, trade with the Nordic Commonwealth would be nice. And on the other hand, it's not like the Romans like Arabia too much - talks of a Caliphate in the Arabian Peninsula disgust those who have read books about the empire's old history, and it makes the Roman citizens look angrily at those Muslims who still live in Roman themes.
With regards Rome, the Commonwealth's home and colonial sentiments differ strongly. Popular opinion in Stockholm might lump Rome in with all those other impoverished monarchies in that general region, but businessmen in the Indian Ocean strongly appreciates Rome being a counterweight to both Persia and Arabia (and, hence, security for the Gulf Principalities), ease-of-business through the Suez Canal, and just the cultural compatibility of European Christendom.
by Pasong Tirad » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:28 am
Raetia Secunda wrote:Plzen wrote:It's very unlikely that Norden will be pushed towards taking a heavy stance in Arabia. With its interests bound in every corner of the globe it simply can no longer afford the grand colonial and imperialist ventures of centuries past.
Norden has very little to lose throwing dice in East Africa, but in Arabia where it already has an established presence and interconnected regional interests, it would be much more interested in the preservation of the status quo.
With regards Rome, the Commonwealth's home and colonial sentiments differ strongly. Popular opinion in Stockholm might lump Rome in with all those other impoverished monarchies in that general region, but businessmen in the Indian Ocean strongly appreciates Rome being a counterweight to both Persia and Arabia (and, hence, security for the Gulf Principalities), ease-of-business through the Suez Canal, and just the cultural compatibility of European Christendom.
*feels the need to make Persia useful* It's true, everyone needs the Suez so relations with the ERE are important to all. The Gulf hasn't yet developed into what it is today, because of oil I suppose.
Btw, is the Russia player active?
by Tracian Empire » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:29 am
Plzen wrote:Tracian Empire wrote:Well, Constantinople would also be in a bit of a pickle. On the one hand, the Romans wouldn't like the idea of the Nords expanding their lands there - but then again, trade with the Nordic Commonwealth would be nice. And on the other hand, it's not like the Romans like Arabia too much - talks of a Caliphate in the Arabian Peninsula disgust those who have read books about the empire's old history, and it makes the Roman citizens look angrily at those Muslims who still live in Roman themes.
With regards Rome, the Commonwealth's home and colonial sentiments differ strongly. Popular opinion in Stockholm might lump Rome in with all those other impoverished monarchies in that general region, but businessmen in the Indian Ocean strongly appreciates Rome being a counterweight to both Persia and Arabia (and, hence, security for the Gulf Principalities), ease-of-business through the Suez Canal, and just the cultural compatibility of European Christendom.
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