The Dance of Chaos [OOC-Fantasy-OPEN]

[Charlia]

*creating a new Archbishop of Sin*

*because I can*

Any sin in particular?

Sloth.

Finding pictures is hard because I associate sloth with teal, for... reasons, and want to go with that color scheme, because I have no self-restraint. And yet there are still so many pictures aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Kollin]

Well, what would that change? I don't want to go changing things without knowing first and screwing something up

If you assume that it's just aimless rage and despair. The difference here, to use 16 year old me as an example, is between the sudden outburst rage, or 'Firestorm Rage' as i call it, versus what i called 'Terminator Rage', both are terrifying but one is significantly more dangerous, it comes with all the lack of inhibition and increased strength and tenacity of anger, just focused like a laser on your face, instead of everything around me, usually inanimate objects. Terminator usually goes after living things, which is part of why i call it Terminator, that and the "Suddenly focused and goal-driven" thing. Demise is typically what i'd call 'Terminator Rage', because he typically targets the living, and does so with a very deliberate and controlled application of still extreme amounts of force.

The whole, anger can be a great motivator for your goals thing, except his goal is to kill you and all your friends, so that's probably not good. XD

As in, he, himself, has never actually used Oath magic. He'll have been a conduit and amplifier for it, like any magical tool would be, but never actually have cast it himself. It's like the difference between book knowledge of a spell and actual practical use knowledge of a spell. He would have lots of the former, only a little of the latter, as most of the spell casting is actually done by the Master, not necessarily by him.
Or, so i'm thinking? I might be being a dum dum, it happens ;-;

That's not surprising, actually, given simple statistics states that Oath magic is more readily available and learnable to a larger number of users, and it therefore stands to reason that though it may be equally as difficult to reach Loroi Sage level, that there would be more of them, and also therefore making it entirely expected that the #1 mage duderino is an Oath guy.

It would change a lot of things. It's easier for half-angels and half-demons to use Ancient Magic, and they also inherit the powers of their demonic or angelic parent. However, their powers, no matter how strong they are, are really, really unstable. Most of the Nephilim and Cambions die when their mortal bodies burn, unable to wield their powers - just so that you can make an idea about how unstable their powers are. Not many manage to master their powers and to survive.

Then again, Demise wouldn't remember much about his past, like most relics, he would only remember confused bits and pieces.

Those are some interesting distinctions and explanations, yeah xD

But my point is the same - Ancient Magic is heavily influenced by feelings, even so more by negative feelings. While his rage would help the strength and power of his spells, it would make then even more unstable than usual. Ancient Magic spells are controlled by thoughts, and since the magic itself is quirky, you can never know for sure how you spell will look once it's made. Many Ancient Magic wielders lost control of their spells due to the feelings that manipulated them.

Ancient Magic spells are also generally pure, brutal, and unrefined.

Yeah, that explanation makes sense xD

That's not all of it though. Yes, there are more Oath mages around, and the Magic of the Oath is easier to learn, and that's one of the reasons for why the Loroi were absolutely crushed by the Thyrians and their new magic. The Mages of the Oath can cooperate in magic spells, can create new chants and continuously improve their magic, while overwhelming their enemies with refined, specialized and directly targeted spells, while the Ancient Magic wielders have to react based on their instincts, thoughts, and feelings, all while trying not to lose control of the magic.

But it's not like mastering the magic of the Oath is easy too. It's more than just learning chants, it's about feeling the flow of the magic, being one with it, understanding it. And the Mage-Emperor was more than just the most powerful mage in the known world. He was almost a god in terms of power, and he was to effortlessly think his chants, giving him the same spell making speed as an Ancient Magic wielder.

They are neat, i like making distinctions like that. Especially with magic like Ancient, so heavily based on emotion, you can make all sorts of different stuff happen based very specific forms the emotion takes.

For example, extreme, soul crushing depression, like the kind i usually have. How does it effect it? You, and most others, would likely assume that it causes most spells to just stop working! Which is totally normal, and not necessarily wrong. Buuuuuuuut, looking into more detail at this kind of depression, you find it leaving an empty void within the person, often having no care for themselves or for anything else left. It therefore follows, if the care to cast the spell exists, it may fizzle out... or it might be significantly stronger than it ever was before.

Of course, that last one is because it would be much more unstable and less controlled. They have no concern for themselves anything, so they don't do anything to try and control the spells dangerous power, which makes it stronger, but also possibly kills them in the process! See, it's fun

See, that's another reason i'd say Demise has so much raw power though. Ancient magic would be veeeeeery useful in the hands of highly potent warriors, especially, yanno, if they've been alive for millenia! You can practice techniques, and strategies, and all that crapola only so many times, before... you don't need to think anymore! It just happens right when it needs to. That's actually a reason, aside from "Spoopy fly-y thingy made by gods is ver good promise" that Angels and Demons have better control over Ancient magic. They've been alive so long that almost any usage of it for them doesn't require an iota of thought, it just happens, probably to the point where it's happening even before they necessarily realize they wanted it to.

Which is kinda awesome, actually, it'd be kinda like having your own familiar at that point. I might be just assuming there, but if its not currently and you steal it that's fine, cause it's super believable, and i'm just imagining this ridiculous scene. An angel is at a Starbucks, and the barista is giving them their coffee, and before the Angel grabs or even knows they made it wrong, the Ancient magic just explodes the damned thing because it was made wrong

Well, see, Tracian, i think our path has been set out before us. We know what we need to do! Just get Demise to master Oath magic and then sit back, order a couple martinis, and watch all those burning cities out in the distance!

This makes me wonder though, if some of the spells Demise is known for using would be just Ancient or not. If they were, i guess they'd be the rare targetted, specialized Ancient spell? I mean i can already imagine Valkyrie is likely a combination of Ancient and Oath, and all the Oath he knows is probably known specifically for that purpose, but it's making wonder if some of his targeted amplifiers, like, say one for eyesight. Would that still be Ancient, or would it be some sort of mix.

Or is mixing them, as it were, even possible. Could you use Ancient to make a fire blast, Oath an ice one, and then do the anime thing where they spiral around each other, combining at the tip to wreck somebody? Or would that just explode in your face?

[Tracian Empire]

Snip

Yeah, that's right! And that's quite an interesting explanation you have there! And yeah, that's probably how it will be, especially because of that feeling of emptiness.

That's true too. The more experience you have, the better you are at controlling it. It is indeed one of the reasons for why the ancient angels and demons are really good it at it - but the god part is not an excuse. The Gods created magic after all - it would easy to assume that they filled their servants with the knowledge on how to use it from the very beginning

Plus, angels and demons are very different from humans in terms of feelings and mentality, so it's obvious that their magic is a lot more stable.

But yes, Ancient Magic is still very, very unstable in general. It's as if the magic itself is wild, and as if it has a will of its own. Sometimes, spell turn out to be completely different even for the most experienced. In order to use it, one must learn how to control the wild flow of magic itself, and the wielder must also be able to control its own feelings and thoughts. Of course, the magic can be used even without a mind of steel - but then feelings are going to affect it, with potentially disastrous consequences. So in battle, you should remember what you explained about anger and depression - because those are certainly going to affect Demise's magic.

But you should make a difference between spells and powers. Demise being able to amplify the powers of his masters, and that part with seeing two seconds in the future. Those aren't spells, that isn't Ancient Magic, those are just his powers as a relic. Now, no one truly knows what sort of a magic the relics are made from, but scholars assume that they're Ancient Magic bound by Oath's magic. Demise won't need to tap into the flow of the Ancient Magic or to chant spells in order to use those powers - which is why we should clearly delimit them.

However, people can't use both Ancient Magic and the Magic of the Oath at the same time. No being has been able to control both flows of magic at the same time - besides from the now dead Mage-Emperor.

[Tracian Empire]

Any sin in particular?

Sloth.

Finding pictures is hard because I associate sloth with teal, for... reasons, and want to go with that color scheme, because I have no self-restraint. And yet there are still so many pictures aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Well, that means that Acedia will be taken!

That leaves Luxuria, Gula and Avaritia open, but I'm also willing to cede Ira if needed.

[Kollin]

Snip

Yeah, that's right! And that's quite an interesting explanation you have there! And yeah, that's probably how it will be, especially because of that feeling of emptiness.

That's true too. The more experience you have, the better you are at controlling it. It is indeed one of the reasons for why the ancient angels and demons are really good it at it - but the god part is not an excuse. The Gods created magic after all - it would easy to assume that they filled their servants with the knowledge on how to use it from the very beginning

Plus, angels and demons are very different from humans in terms of feelings and mentality, so it's obvious that their magic is a lot more stable.

But yes, Ancient Magic is still very, very unstable in general. It's as if the magic itself is wild, and as if it has a will of its own. Sometimes, spell turn out to be completely different even for the most experienced. In order to use it, one must learn how to control the wild flow of magic itself, and the wielder must also be able to control its own feelings and thoughts. Of course, the magic can be used even without a mind of steel - but then feelings are going to affect it, with potentially disastrous consequences. So in battle, you should remember what you explained about anger and depression - because those are certainly going to affect Demise's magic.

But you should make a difference between spells and powers. Demise being able to amplify the powers of his masters, and that part with seeing two seconds in the future. Those aren't spells, that isn't Ancient Magic, those are just his powers as a relic. Now, no one truly knows what sort of a magic the relics are made from, but scholars assume that they're Ancient Magic bound by Oath's magic. Demise won't need to tap into the flow of the Ancient Magic or to chant spells in order to use those powers - which is why we should clearly delimit them.

However, people can't use both Ancient Magic and the Magic of the Oath at the same time. No being has been able to control both flows of magic at the same time - besides from the now dead Mage-Emperor.

See, i keep calling the amplification spells, because to Demise when he was alive they were spells.
I guess when they made him into a ghost spear they figured "Might as well give the guy his frickin favorite crap as a freebie, like leather seats in a Lexus." XD
I will promise to try and not do that but i will probably still mix them up on accident.

So, the Real Life Valkyrie spell was limited by Demise being... at this probably a frickin half angel or some crap. The Relic version of it starts at the real life version and then just says "FUCK IT. HOW FAR DO YAH THINK YOU CAN GO, BUDDY, SCREW 11 LET'S GO TO 896." at which point whoever is holding probably dies instantly XDDD

So, would Valkyrie be more like Demise himself now, then? Ancient Magic 'bound' by Oath, which, i'm guessing makes it more stable or something. It's obviously not as good a bind as what makes a Relic if it's that, but it makes more sense than just pure Ancient magic from a guy who, at the time of creating it, was not exactly the most emotionally healthy person you ever saw.

[Charlia]

Sloth.

Finding pictures is hard because I associate sloth with teal, for... reasons, and want to go with that color scheme, because I have no self-restraint. And yet there are still so many pictures aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Well, that means that Acedia will be taken!

That leaves Luxuria, Gula and Avaritia open, but I'm also willing to cede Ira if needed.

Someone should be Luxuria.

Someone other than me. I really doubt I could pull that off.

(also if anyone does Gula and they don't ever eat actual people I will be very disappointed in you)

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Well, that means that Acedia will be taken!

That leaves Luxuria, Gula and Avaritia open, but I'm also willing to cede Ira if needed.

Someone should be Luxuria.

Someone other than me. I really doubt I could pull that off.

(also if anyone does Gula and they don't ever eat actual people I will be very disappointed in you)

Aw, you can't? Don't worry, I know that you know that I'd be even worse at it so I won't even attempt to take that Position.

Talking about the archbishops gave me an idea though.

[Nea Videssos]

Well, that means that Acedia will be taken!

That leaves Luxuria, Gula and Avaritia open, but I'm also willing to cede Ira if needed.

Someone should be Luxuria.

Someone other than me. I really doubt I could pull that off.

(also if anyone does Gula and they don't ever eat actual people I will be very disappointed in you)

Well, one of my character ideas was an Archbishop of Lust, but I ended up going with the undead trap instead.

[Tracian Empire]

Someone should be Luxuria.

Someone other than me. I really doubt I could pull that off.

(also if anyone does Gula and they don't ever eat actual people I will be very disappointed in you)

Well, one of my character ideas was an Archbishop of Lust, but I ended up going with the undead trap instead.

Well.. I do hope to eventually have someone making an Archbishop of Lust xD

But I probably have some really fixed ideas about how that character should be

[Charlia]

Well, one of my character ideas was an Archbishop of Lust, but I ended up going with the undead trap instead.

Well.. I do hope to eventually have someone making an Archbishop of Lust xD

But I probably have some really fixed ideas about how that character should be

...I hope those ideas include 'evil'. Otherwise it'll be a little awkward.

Someone should be Luxuria.

Someone other than me. I really doubt I could pull that off.

(also if anyone does Gula and they don't ever eat actual people I will be very disappointed in you)

Aw, you can't? Don't worry, I know that you know that I'd be even worse at it so I won't even attempt to take that Position.

Talking about the archbishops gave me an idea though.

How is someone supposed to convincingly play the Archbishop of Lust without even knowing what lust feels like?

Someone should be Luxuria.

Someone other than me. I really doubt I could pull that off.

(also if anyone does Gula and they don't ever eat actual people I will be very disappointed in you)

Well, one of my character ideas was an Archbishop of Lust, but I ended up going with the undead trap instead.

See, I bet you'd be much better at it than me.

I mean, in fairness, the only requirement to be much better at it than me is to not be asexual.

[Tracian Empire]

Well.. I do hope to eventually have someone making an Archbishop of Lust xD

But I probably have some really fixed ideas about how that character should be

...I hope those ideas include 'evil'. Otherwise it'll be a little awkward.

Well.. not necessarily xD

I've had some fixed ideas about how the Archbishop of Lust should be from before the cult of Lust became as dark as it is

But it's not like I'm forcing people to follow my ideas xD

[Nea Videssos]

Well, one of my character ideas was an Archbishop of Lust, but I ended up going with the undead trap instead.

See, I bet you'd be much better at it than me.

I mean, in fairness, the only requirement to be much better at it than me is to not be asexual.

Probably. Then again, my mind tends to end up in the gutter a lot, so that might not be too surprising.

...I hope those ideas include 'evil'. Otherwise it'll be a little awkward.

Well.. not necessarily xD

I've had some fixed ideas about how the Archbishop of Lust should be from before the cult of Lust became as dark as it is

But it's not like I'm forcing people to follow my ideas xD

Well, the main thing that comes to mind regarding an Archbishop of Lust, is a lewd individual who inspires lust in others (and engages in plenty of it themselves). Beyond that, all manner of things go, I imagine.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Aw, you can't? Don't worry, I know that you know that I'd be even worse at it so I won't even attempt to take that Position.

Talking about the archbishops gave me an idea though.

How is someone supposed to convincingly play the Archbishop of Lust without even knowing what lust feels like?

Well, one of my character ideas was an Archbishop of Lust, but I ended up going with the undead trap instead.

See, I bet you'd be much better at it than me.

I mean, in fairness, the only requirement to be much better at it than me is to not be asexual.

It's just a phase they said. It'll be over soon they said.

Though I really think Vid would do a great job at Lust...or Mirakai prolly would've before he got deleted on that fateful day.

[Kollin]

Okay so who is where and whats a magical spear to land outside their city and kill brave innocents until you show up.

This is very important if you don't respond some stupid priests will try and take me ;-;

[Nea Videssos]

How is someone supposed to convincingly play the Archbishop of Lust without even knowing what lust feels like?See, I bet you'd be much better at it than me.

I mean, in fairness, the only requirement to be much better at it than me is to not be asexual.

It's just a phase they said. It'll be over soon they said.

Though I really think Vid would do a great job at Lust...or Mirakai prolly would've before he got deleted on that fateful day.

Mira's still around, sort of. I only see him log on from time to time, but he never posts anything (the last post he made was in December).

I might've (my original idea for an Archbishop of Lust was a trap vampire/Ashuramaru), but I've gone with one of my other character ideas, and it might be a bit too much if my undead trap necromancer/shapeshifter/eldritch-abomination-host was also the Archbishop of Lust.

[Haedros 92712]

I would say I could help you out with that but I’m waiting on some divine retribution from trac for killing people in Arghyo

[Kollin]

I would say I could help you out with that but I’m waiting on some divine retribution from trac for killing people in Arghyo

Well more people are gonna start dyin somewhere p soon so

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I would say I could help you out with that but I’m waiting on some divine retribution from trac for killing people in Arghyo

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten about you. Just, as I said, restrictions are placed upon my PC access.

[Kollin]

I'm gonna start comin after you people if nobody starts organizing my rise to God Empress here soon

[Tamrida]

Did someone mention an Eternal God-Emperor?

[Kollin]

Did someone mention becoming an Eternal god Empress?

Yes hello that is me please being your unending praise and tribute now my favorite kind of poptarts are wild berry also i like doriots and mountain dew voltage is best soda fail to prove yourself and be subject to my wrath :v

[Tamrida]

Did someone mention becoming an Eternal god Empress?

Yes hello that is me please being your unending praise and tribute now my favorite kind of poptarts are wild berry also i like doriots and mountain dew voltage is best soda fail to prove yourself and be subject to my wrath :v

Oh no! Doritos! Mountain Dew! It is the Goddess of MLG!

Everybody run for your lives!

[Haedros 92712]

I’m thinking about changing Cyrus’ theme song to one of the blue exorcist OPs

[Kollin]

Yes hello that is me please being your unending praise and tribute now my favorite kind of poptarts are wild berry also i like doriots and mountain dew voltage is best soda fail to prove yourself and be subject to my wrath :v

Oh no! Doritos! Mountain Dew! It is the Goddess of MLG!

Everybody run for your lives!

*airhorns blaring the background*

I’m thinking about changing Cyrus’ theme song to one of the blue exorcist OPs

Dooooooo ittttttt

then help me get somebody to take my Relic

[Remnants of Exilvania]

I'm gonna start comin after you people if nobody starts organizing my rise to God Empress here soon

You don't want me to come after you.

Because then you'd end up in a basement for testing and research purposes.

I’m thinking about changing Cyrus’ theme song to one of the blue exorcist OPs

Writing a post atm but probably last for a couple hours because it is half past 1 o'clock AM.