The Dance of Chaos [OOC-Fantasy-OPEN]

[Kollin]

My bad, I forgot about it.

Yes, we're going to have to put a limit on how much relics can amplify a mortal's powers too. Both because of lore constraints and power issues. I'll respond to your earlier post about it tomorrow, but while in theory, relics would be strong enough to take on angels or deities, one of their imperfections is that they simply can't do it with mortal masters.


One thing that I'd have to mention though, is that all relics have nearly the same age, plus or minus a few years, so there can easily be other relics who are just as good as Demise at killing things.

And angels, gods, and deities are generally out of the level of the mortals because their magic is a lot more powerful. And there are certainly some angels and demons with a lot of experience.

Okay.
So, Valkyrie, to function then, would have to basically take over the Master's body as Demise then.

So essentially it's only usable if the Master is... Loroi, i guess? They are immortal, at least from disease and aging. Loroi, or some other thing, and even then.

But otherwise it's about right.

All Relics are the same age, but not necessarily the souls they're comprised of, right? I still get the point, of course, and i did factor that in to my numbering. If Demise was a 100 on experience/skill, the Gods were above 100, then other Relics would be 0-100 range. Angels would fall anywhere from 0-80, and anything mortal from 0-50, i guess immortals like Loroi would be on the same scale as Angels. Unlike the Relics, afterall, they probably won't survive long enough to hit 100. I assumed averages when considering it.

I'm just happy i mostly got it right by luck
Hopefully i am not being too bothersome. I'm not sure if its OK that i post now, since the power levels involved here are far from relevant ICly just yet and could be worked out later. I'll wait for you or Charlia to tell me. Thanks for being patient with me though.

[Nea Videssos]

My bad, I forgot about it.

Yes, we're going to have to put a limit on how much relics can amplify a mortal's powers too. Both because of lore constraints and power issues. I'll respond to your earlier post about it tomorrow, but while in theory, relics would be strong enough to take on angels or deities, one of their imperfections is that they simply can't do it with mortal masters.


One thing that I'd have to mention though, is that all relics have nearly the same age, plus or minus a few years, so there can easily be other relics who are just as good as Demise at killing things.

And angels, gods, and deities are generally out of the level of the mortals because their magic is a lot more powerful. And there are certainly some angels and demons with a lot of experience.

Okay.
So, Valkyrie, to function then, would have to basically take over the Master's body as Demise then.

So essentially it's only usable if the Master is... Loroi, i guess? They are immortal, at least from disease and aging. Loroi, or some other thing, and even then.

But otherwise it's about right.

All Relics are the same age, but not necessarily the souls they're comprised of, right? I still get the point, of course, and i did factor that in to my numbering. If Demise was a 100 on experience/skill, the Gods were above 100, then other Relics would be 0-100 range. Angels would fall anywhere from 0-80, and anything mortal from 0-50, i guess immortals like Loroi would be on the same scale as Angels. Unlike the Relics, afterall, they probably won't survive long enough to hit 100. I assumed averages when considering it.

I'm just happy i mostly got it right by luck
Hopefully i am not being too bothersome. I'm not sure if its OK that i post now, since the power levels involved here are far from relevant ICly just yet and could be worked out later. I'll wait for you or Charlia to tell me. Thanks for being patient with me though.

Speaking of sort-of-immortal, do undead count?

[Kollin]

Okay.
So, Valkyrie, to function then, would have to basically take over the Master's body as Demise then.

So essentially it's only usable if the Master is... Loroi, i guess? They are immortal, at least from disease and aging. Loroi, or some other thing, and even then.

But otherwise it's about right.

All Relics are the same age, but not necessarily the souls they're comprised of, right? I still get the point, of course, and i did factor that in to my numbering. If Demise was a 100 on experience/skill, the Gods were above 100, then other Relics would be 0-100 range. Angels would fall anywhere from 0-80, and anything mortal from 0-50, i guess immortals like Loroi would be on the same scale as Angels. Unlike the Relics, afterall, they probably won't survive long enough to hit 100. I assumed averages when considering it.

I'm just happy i mostly got it right by luck
Hopefully i am not being too bothersome. I'm not sure if its OK that i post now, since the power levels involved here are far from relevant ICly just yet and could be worked out later. I'll wait for you or Charlia to tell me. Thanks for being patient with me though.

Speaking of sort-of-immortal, do undead count?

Dunno. Even for Loroi, the point with mortals is that a mortal body/soul cannot handle the amount of power a Relic can dish out at maximum.

Demise might have the most raw power, but that only means every other Relic can also fight high level Angels when cranked to 11. This leads me to wonder, though, who were Relics created to be used to by? it's obvious now, Humans can't use them at max power. Even Loroi, save maybe the Sages couldn't probably handle more than 60%.

It just makes me wonder, who the heck was to supposed use them? Almost no living thing can properly them. This dead civilization that made them must've had the power of the Gods in their forges because i don't think many things that aren't Divine or Demonic in nature could handle it

EDIT: i should honestly probably stop worrying about it. The more i go into stuff like this the more trouble i usually get into >.<

[Haedros 92712]

What time zone is everyone on?

[Illegal Planets]

What time zone is everyone on?

Central for me.

[Granis]

What time zone is everyone on?

Not sure, I'm bad with this kind of stuff. I'm in Australia, but that's the best I've got.

[Haedros 92712]

Yeah, I’m pacific standard. The way I see everyone online is because I don’t sleep, like, at all.

[Tracian Empire]

Okay.
So, Valkyrie, to function then, would have to basically take over the Master's body as Demise then.

So essentially it's only usable if the Master is... Loroi, i guess? They are immortal, at least from disease and aging. Loroi, or some other thing, and even then.

But otherwise it's about right.

All Relics are the same age, but not necessarily the souls they're comprised of, right? I still get the point, of course, and i did factor that in to my numbering. If Demise was a 100 on experience/skill, the Gods were above 100, then other Relics would be 0-100 range. Angels would fall anywhere from 0-80, and anything mortal from 0-50, i guess immortals like Loroi would be on the same scale as Angels. Unlike the Relics, afterall, they probably won't survive long enough to hit 100. I assumed averages when considering it.

I'm just happy i mostly got it right by luck
Hopefully i am not being too bothersome. I'm not sure if its OK that i post now, since the power levels involved here are far from relevant ICly just yet and could be worked out later. I'll wait for you or Charlia to tell me. Thanks for being patient with me though.

Even if Demise would take over the master's body, the physical limitations of a mortal's body will still be there. And Loroi are included in there too. They are immortal from disease and aging, but they are mortal from the point of view that they can be wounded and killed as easily as a human or Zemrai. They'd be probably be able to handle a relic's power a bit better, but it still wouldn't be enough. It would be a tricky situation with undead or cursed beings. While their bodies would in theory be able to help them resist more, the spell keeping them here (the undead spells in the case of undead, the curse in the case of things like vampires), does interfere with a relic's power.

Now that I'm thinking about it, the only one around with the power to use a relic without any restrictions would have been the Mage-Emperor.... but he's dead xD

All relics are the same age, and for the time being, all relics shown seem to have been human before. So in that case, the age difference between their souls in negligible - and there are many relics which have had the opportunity to gain just as much experience as Demise, and each relic tends to have its own interesting powers. Just look at the relics of the Knights of the Light - they were used in the fight against the greatest mage this world has ever known since the Calamity.

Now, I'm not good with numbers, and I'm never going to introduce numbers here. Qualifying the abilities and powers of characters like that isn't my thing, and I think that in fights, creating an interesting story is more important than who would have the stronger power to the letter. So the only need to get so much into detail is to explain how I've been thinking about the lore. Now, if we are to use numbers, Gods would be way above 100. In experience, Angels or Demons could also be above 100. You need to take into account the fact that the Seraphim were imbued with a part of the knowledge and power of the Gods, and the Princes of Hell are somewhere between the Seraphim and the Gods in power. On the demonic side, there probably are some demons with more experience in fighting than Demise, and there could be similar characters among the Cherubim, the Archangels and the Kanonikos.

Hypothetically, a relic would be able to boost its master's power so much as to make him able to fight one of the higher ranked angels of demons, but you pass a certain level of power, it's going to hurt the master's body. Mortals are simply not made to handle such powers. And at some point, it will also start to hurt the master's soul at some point. But then again, since no one is going to fight angels or demons anytime soon, it should be alright.

And I'll take another look at your app later today

[Tracian Empire]

Dunno. Even for Loroi, the point with mortals is that a mortal body/soul cannot handle the amount of power a Relic can dish out at maximum.

Demise might have the most raw power, but that only means every other Relic can also fight high level Angels when cranked to 11. This leads me to wonder, though, who were Relics created to be used to by? it's obvious now, Humans can't use them at max power. Even Loroi, save maybe the Sages couldn't probably handle more than 60%.

It just makes me wonder, who the heck was to supposed use them? Almost no living thing can properly them. This dead civilization that made them must've had the power of the Gods in their forges because i don't think many things that aren't Divine or Demonic in nature could handle it

EDIT: i should honestly probably stop worrying about it. The more i go into stuff like this the more trouble i usually get into >.<

I did mention that above that undead also have their own problems at handling them xD


That's a good question, isn't it? As I said, they were created during the time of the Old Thyria, and legends say that they were created with blood sacrifices and with the power of the Silver Throne. And to say that the Silver Throne was comparable with the power of the Gods wouldn't be too far from the truth xD

The holy books of the Faith say that the relics were created to be god slaying weapons, and that the Calamity happened because of that arrogance.

You are right, but you shouldn't worry about it. Unless we get angel or demon characters anytime soon (which, to be noted, I'm not necessarily against, but such characters will need some limitations placed on them to keep them in line with the other characters, unless we are only going to use them as plot points in the distant future), there shouldn't be any issues, and not even then.

We know that relics each tend to have their original powers, and that they can strengthen their master's powers, but using too much power will hurt their master, and that's how most relic masters tend to die anyway. No one knows what they were created to be used against, but ever since the fall of Thyria, they have been used as weapons of immense power by many mages.

If we're going to have a plot were relics should be used at higher powers, what happens with them will be dictated by the plot itself. So there is no reason to worry about it xD

[Kollin]

Dunno. Even for Loroi, the point with mortals is that a mortal body/soul cannot handle the amount of power a Relic can dish out at maximum.

Demise might have the most raw power, but that only means every other Relic can also fight high level Angels when cranked to 11. This leads me to wonder, though, who were Relics created to be used to by? it's obvious now, Humans can't use them at max power. Even Loroi, save maybe the Sages couldn't probably handle more than 60%.

It just makes me wonder, who the heck was to supposed use them? Almost no living thing can properly them. This dead civilization that made them must've had the power of the Gods in their forges because i don't think many things that aren't Divine or Demonic in nature could handle it

EDIT: i should honestly probably stop worrying about it. The more i go into stuff like this the more trouble i usually get into >.<

I did mention that above that undead also have their own problems at handling them xD


That's a good question, isn't it? As I said, they were created during the time of the Old Thyria, and legends say that they were created with blood sacrifices and with the power of the Silver Throne. And to say that the Silver Throne was comparable with the power of the Gods wouldn't be too far from the truth xD

The holy books of the Faith say that the relics were created to be god slaying weapons, and that the Calamity happened because of that arrogance.

You are right, but you shouldn't worry about it. Unless we get angel or demon characters anytime soon (which, to be noted, I'm not necessarily against, but such characters will need some limitations placed on them to keep them in line with the other characters, unless we are only going to use them as plot points in the distant future), there shouldn't be any issues, and not even then.

We know that relics each tend to have their original powers, and that they can strengthen their master's powers, but using too much power will hurt their master, and that's how most relic masters tend to die anyway. No one knows what they were created to be used against, but ever since the fall of Thyria, they have been used as weapons of immense power by many mages.

If we're going to have a plot were relics should be used at higher powers, what happens with them will be dictated by the plot itself. So there is no reason to worry about it xD

Wow, so i was... surprisingly on the mark with this. Sorry i just need a moment to consider that, it's really weird. XD

Meant to be god slaying weapons, and the only things that could withstand using them to their fullest would be so powerful that after affects like Demise's 25kx amplifier they would be on a level to do that.

So to all the characters around right now, they're just really frickin fancy swords and stuff, and not god murdering soul monster things. As long as i get a gilded monocle to complete the look!

Well, uh. Alright, i guess i should do some looking to see where characters are and then go harass a city of people by killing dozens effortlessly!

[Kollin]

Okay.
So, Valkyrie, to function then, would have to basically take over the Master's body as Demise then.

So essentially it's only usable if the Master is... Loroi, i guess? They are immortal, at least from disease and aging. Loroi, or some other thing, and even then.

But otherwise it's about right.

All Relics are the same age, but not necessarily the souls they're comprised of, right? I still get the point, of course, and i did factor that in to my numbering. If Demise was a 100 on experience/skill, the Gods were above 100, then other Relics would be 0-100 range. Angels would fall anywhere from 0-80, and anything mortal from 0-50, i guess immortals like Loroi would be on the same scale as Angels. Unlike the Relics, afterall, they probably won't survive long enough to hit 100. I assumed averages when considering it.

I'm just happy i mostly got it right by luck
Hopefully i am not being too bothersome. I'm not sure if its OK that i post now, since the power levels involved here are far from relevant ICly just yet and could be worked out later. I'll wait for you or Charlia to tell me. Thanks for being patient with me though.

Even if Demise would take over the master's body, the physical limitations of a mortal's body will still be there. And Loroi are included in there too. They are immortal from disease and aging, but they are mortal from the point of view that they can be wounded and killed as easily as a human or Zemrai. They'd be probably be able to handle a relic's power a bit better, but it still wouldn't be enough. It would be a tricky situation with undead or cursed beings. While their bodies would in theory be able to help them resist more, the spell keeping them here (the undead spells in the case of undead, the curse in the case of things like vampires), does interfere with a relic's power.

Now that I'm thinking about it, the only one around with the power to use a relic without any restrictions would have been the Mage-Emperor.... but he's dead xD

All relics are the same age, and for the time being, all relics shown seem to have been human before. So in that case, the age difference between their souls in negligible - and there are many relics which have had the opportunity to gain just as much experience as Demise, and each relic tends to have its own interesting powers. Just look at the relics of the Knights of the Light - they were used in the fight against the greatest mage this world has ever known since the Calamity.

Now, I'm not good with numbers, and I'm never going to introduce numbers here. Qualifying the abilities and powers of characters like that isn't my thing, and I think that in fights, creating an interesting story is more important than who would have the stronger power to the letter. So the only need to get so much into detail is to explain how I've been thinking about the lore. Now, if we are to use numbers, Gods would be way above 100. In experience, Angels or Demons could also be above 100. You need to take into account the fact that the Seraphim were imbued with a part of the knowledge and power of the Gods, and the Princes of Hell are somewhere between the Seraphim and the Gods in power. On the demonic side, there probably are some demons with more experience in fighting than Demise, and there could be similar characters among the Cherubim, the Archangels and the Kanonikos.

Hypothetically, a relic would be able to boost its master's power so much as to make him able to fight one of the higher ranked angels of demons, but you pass a certain level of power, it's going to hurt the master's body. Mortals are simply not made to handle such powers. And at some point, it will also start to hurt the master's soul at some point. But then again, since no one is going to fight angels or demons anytime soon, it should be alright.

And I'll take another look at your app later today

100 Is supposed to be like percent, going past it is supposed to be forbidden except in really ridiculous circumstances, like, yanno, a god might be considered. cx

Yeah i tend to put numbers on things because i understand them better that way. Bigger number doesn't need to win, but if it losses there's gotta be a good reason.

Now, is it just me, or, with all of this, is anyone else wondering how Demise in his natural human life created and used spells of this caliber? XD
I'm just saying. Yes, Relic him is stronger, but even still, 25kx as a human. Maybe the DNA test is wrong guys, i'm just saying. Either that or he'd have been born a half angel or some crap. Not sure how you hide that one at school.

So basically none of it really matters because if anybody even tried they'd just die a terrible death anyways! Sheesh it almost seems like it was impossible for me to screw this up, nobody can use my ridiculousness so it may as well not exist.

All that worrying for nothing D:

[Tracian Empire]

I did mention that above that undead also have their own problems at handling them xD


That's a good question, isn't it? As I said, they were created during the time of the Old Thyria, and legends say that they were created with blood sacrifices and with the power of the Silver Throne. And to say that the Silver Throne was comparable with the power of the Gods wouldn't be too far from the truth xD

The holy books of the Faith say that the relics were created to be god slaying weapons, and that the Calamity happened because of that arrogance.

You are right, but you shouldn't worry about it. Unless we get angel or demon characters anytime soon (which, to be noted, I'm not necessarily against, but such characters will need some limitations placed on them to keep them in line with the other characters, unless we are only going to use them as plot points in the distant future), there shouldn't be any issues, and not even then.

We know that relics each tend to have their original powers, and that they can strengthen their master's powers, but using too much power will hurt their master, and that's how most relic masters tend to die anyway. No one knows what they were created to be used against, but ever since the fall of Thyria, they have been used as weapons of immense power by many mages.

If we're going to have a plot were relics should be used at higher powers, what happens with them will be dictated by the plot itself. So there is no reason to worry about it xD

Wow, so i was... surprisingly on the mark with this. Sorry i just need a moment to consider that, it's really weird. XD

Meant to be god slaying weapons, and the only things that could withstand using them to their fullest would be so powerful that after affects like Demise's 25kx amplifier they would be on a level to do that.

So to all the characters around right now, they're just really frickin fancy swords and stuff, and not god murdering soul monster things. As long as i get a gilded monocle to complete the look!

Well, uh. Alright, i guess i should do some looking to see where characters are and then go harass a city of people by killing dozens effortlessly!

That's what people believe, at least. No one knows what the relics are truly able to do if they were to use their full potential, not even the relics themselves xD

Well, they're actually somewhere between those two. They're not just fancy weapons, they are incredibly powerful weapons like nothing else that the mortals posses, but not many understand their true potential - only their masters and those who have been researching them, like the Faith, know of it.

And while relics are more of a legend than anything for most humans around, their existence has become known to more and more people because of the relics of the Seven Heroes.

But well, you should find yourself a master, if you start attacking cities like that you might attract the attention of people you wouldn't want to meet

[Kollin]

Wow, so i was... surprisingly on the mark with this. Sorry i just need a moment to consider that, it's really weird. XD

Meant to be god slaying weapons, and the only things that could withstand using them to their fullest would be so powerful that after affects like Demise's 25kx amplifier they would be on a level to do that.

So to all the characters around right now, they're just really frickin fancy swords and stuff, and not god murdering soul monster things. As long as i get a gilded monocle to complete the look!

Well, uh. Alright, i guess i should do some looking to see where characters are and then go harass a city of people by killing dozens effortlessly!

That's what people believe, at least. No one knows what the relics are truly able to do if they were to use their full potential, not even the relics themselves xD

Well, they're actually somewhere between those two. They're not just fancy weapons, they are incredibly powerful weapons like nothing else that the mortals posses, but not many understand their true potential - only their masters and those who have been researching them, like the Faith, know of it.

And while relics are more of a legend than anything for most humans around, their existence has become known to more and more people because of the relics of the Seven Heroes.

But well, you should find yourself a master, if you start attacking cities like that you might attract the attention of people you wouldn't want to meet

So basically, 25kx in human life, unde rRelicy-ness might be 10x even more because why the hell not magic chair weapons!

I don't attack the cities! I just land outside a busy road near one, with a magical aura projected that compels warrior-like souls to try and take the cool-looking spear is all! It's like the lottery except you die if you lose!

[Tracian Empire]

Even if Demise would take over the master's body, the physical limitations of a mortal's body will still be there. And Loroi are included in there too. They are immortal from disease and aging, but they are mortal from the point of view that they can be wounded and killed as easily as a human or Zemrai. They'd be probably be able to handle a relic's power a bit better, but it still wouldn't be enough. It would be a tricky situation with undead or cursed beings. While their bodies would in theory be able to help them resist more, the spell keeping them here (the undead spells in the case of undead, the curse in the case of things like vampires), does interfere with a relic's power.

Now that I'm thinking about it, the only one around with the power to use a relic without any restrictions would have been the Mage-Emperor.... but he's dead xD

All relics are the same age, and for the time being, all relics shown seem to have been human before. So in that case, the age difference between their souls in negligible - and there are many relics which have had the opportunity to gain just as much experience as Demise, and each relic tends to have its own interesting powers. Just look at the relics of the Knights of the Light - they were used in the fight against the greatest mage this world has ever known since the Calamity.

Now, I'm not good with numbers, and I'm never going to introduce numbers here. Qualifying the abilities and powers of characters like that isn't my thing, and I think that in fights, creating an interesting story is more important than who would have the stronger power to the letter. So the only need to get so much into detail is to explain how I've been thinking about the lore. Now, if we are to use numbers, Gods would be way above 100. In experience, Angels or Demons could also be above 100. You need to take into account the fact that the Seraphim were imbued with a part of the knowledge and power of the Gods, and the Princes of Hell are somewhere between the Seraphim and the Gods in power. On the demonic side, there probably are some demons with more experience in fighting than Demise, and there could be similar characters among the Cherubim, the Archangels and the Kanonikos.

Hypothetically, a relic would be able to boost its master's power so much as to make him able to fight one of the higher ranked angels of demons, but you pass a certain level of power, it's going to hurt the master's body. Mortals are simply not made to handle such powers. And at some point, it will also start to hurt the master's soul at some point. But then again, since no one is going to fight angels or demons anytime soon, it should be alright.

And I'll take another look at your app later today

100 Is supposed to be like percent, going past it is supposed to be forbidden except in really ridiculous circumstances, like, yanno, a god might be considered. cx

Yeah i tend to put numbers on things because i understand them better that way. Bigger number doesn't need to win, but if it losses there's gotta be a good reason.

Now, is it just me, or, with all of this, is anyone else wondering how Demise in his natural human life created and used spells of this caliber? XD
I'm just saying. Yes, Relic him is stronger, but even still, 25kx as a human. Maybe the DNA test is wrong guys, i'm just saying. Either that or he'd have been born a half angel or some crap. Not sure how you hide that one at school.

So basically none of it really matters because if anybody even tried they'd just die a terrible death anyways! Sheesh it almost seems like it was impossible for me to screw this up, nobody can use my ridiculousness so it may as well not exist.

All that worrying for nothing D:

Well, Angels and Demons are the servants of the Gods, so they can technically go over 100% if needed

Yeah, I can understand that. I'm normally too lazy to use numbers though xD

Well, I'm not sure how powerful you want him to have been in his human life. If he was a normal human, but an Ancient Magic user, he could have been pretty powerful. But not anything able to fight angels.

And then again, I said a couple of times in the past - using Ancient Magic isn't necessarily a huge advantage. Ancient Magic does indeed have more raw power than the Magic of the Oath, but it doesn't mean that the Magic of the Oath is weaker. They each have their advantages and disadvantages. Ancient Magic is controlled by thoughts, so its spells are less precise, and more susceptible to be influenced by feelings or stray thoughts. Its spells are instinctive, and difficult to fully control or foresee even for people like Loroi Sages.

[Kollin]

100 Is supposed to be like percent, going past it is supposed to be forbidden except in really ridiculous circumstances, like, yanno, a god might be considered. cx

Yeah i tend to put numbers on things because i understand them better that way. Bigger number doesn't need to win, but if it losses there's gotta be a good reason.

Now, is it just me, or, with all of this, is anyone else wondering how Demise in his natural human life created and used spells of this caliber? XD
I'm just saying. Yes, Relic him is stronger, but even still, 25kx as a human. Maybe the DNA test is wrong guys, i'm just saying. Either that or he'd have been born a half angel or some crap. Not sure how you hide that one at school.

So basically none of it really matters because if anybody even tried they'd just die a terrible death anyways! Sheesh it almost seems like it was impossible for me to screw this up, nobody can use my ridiculousness so it may as well not exist.

All that worrying for nothing D:

Well, Angels and Demons are the servants of the Gods, so they can technically go over 100% if needed

Yeah, I can understand that. I'm normally too lazy to use numbers though xD

Well, I'm not sure how powerful you want him to have been in his human life. If he was a normal human, but an Ancient Magic user, he could have been pretty powerful. But not anything able to fight angels.

And then again, I said a couple of times in the past - using Ancient Magic isn't necessarily a huge advantage. Ancient Magic does indeed have more raw power than the Magic of the Oath, but it doesn't mean that the Magic of the Oath is weaker. They each have their advantages and disadvantages. Ancient Magic is controlled by thoughts, so its spells are less precise, and more susceptible to be influenced by feelings or stray thoughts. Its spells are instinctive, and difficult to fully control or foresee even for people like Loroi Sages.

Given his whole thing is massive destructive power, i'd say he must've been pretty stronk. Even accounting for legends boasting more than reality. Yeah. Let's uh, can we get a second DNA test here?

I'd only call it one in this case because emotionally speaking Demise pretty much feels rage and despair, and not much else functions properly if at all. Which is bad if you're a healer, but great if you're just out to break shit!
Of course your life will totally suck, but, hey, at least you can out-box a gorilla, right? That's gotta count for something, surely.

It does give him weaknesses though, i'm sure Oath has various schools of magic dedicated to dealing with Ancient, especially high tier destructive and amplifying magic, those are very dangerous when put together. His experience with Oath magic being limited (limited by Relic standards) means it can't be fully countered either, unless the Master knows Oath magic.

Cause Demise has like 90% Ancient spells lol.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Say, Thrac, what happens if a relic wields a relic?

[Kollin]

Say, Thrac, what happens if a relic wields a relic?

Oh shit good question.

I'd imagine, either A) they can't, possibly because they repel like magnets or something weird, or B) that may have been the plan of the chair people all along. Maybe there's spooky Relics whose real goal is not to turn into a weapon but wield one!

I mean we know there isn't cause lore, but still, just pretend, for funsies!

[Tracian Empire]

Say, Thrac, what happens if a relic wields a relic?

It can't, I'm afraid

[Tracian Empire]

Given his whole thing is massive destructive power, i'd say he must've been pretty stronk. Even accounting for legends boasting more than reality. Yeah. Let's uh, can we get a second DNA test here?

I'd only call it one in this case because emotionally speaking Demise pretty much feels rage and despair, and not much else functions properly if at all. Which is bad if you're a healer, but great if you're just out to break shit!
Of course your life will totally suck, but, hey, at least you can out-box a gorilla, right? That's gotta count for something, surely.

It does give him weaknesses though, i'm sure Oath has various schools of magic dedicated to dealing with Ancient, especially high tier destructive and amplifying magic, those are very dangerous when put together. His experience with Oath magic being limited (limited by Relic standards) means it can't be fully countered either, unless the Master knows Oath magic.

Cause Demise has like 90% Ancient spells lol.

As I said, how strong you want him to be depends on what you want him to have been. As a human, he would have had a limit even as an Ancient Magic user, but he could have been among the good to better Thyrian mages of the time. If you want him to have been a Nephilim or a Cambion, that changes a lot of things - so it's your decision.

Well, such an emotional state would have certainly made his offensive spells more powerful, but it also makes them a lot more unstable. Which, considering that Ancient Magic is already wild and unstable to begin with, isn't necessarily a good thing xD

What do you mean by limited though? As I said, the magic of the Oath can be just as powerful as Ancient Magic, but while the strength of the Ancient Magic lies in instincts and sheer power, and in feelings, the Magic of the Oath is specialized and it relies on knowledge. If we were to take a powerful Ancient Magic wielder and a just as powerful mage of the Oath, they would have roughly equal chances.

The Magic of the Oath is a lot more used because it's less dangerous and quirky, especially for humans. But just as there are only a few people able to master the Ancient Magic, only a few were able to surpass their own limits and to control the Magic of the Oath on a level comparable to the Ancient Magic of the Loroi Sages.

And of course, the most powerful mage the world has ever seen as an Oath mage.

[Kollin]

Given his whole thing is massive destructive power, i'd say he must've been pretty stronk. Even accounting for legends boasting more than reality. Yeah. Let's uh, can we get a second DNA test here?

I'd only call it one in this case because emotionally speaking Demise pretty much feels rage and despair, and not much else functions properly if at all. Which is bad if you're a healer, but great if you're just out to break shit!
Of course your life will totally suck, but, hey, at least you can out-box a gorilla, right? That's gotta count for something, surely.

It does give him weaknesses though, i'm sure Oath has various schools of magic dedicated to dealing with Ancient, especially high tier destructive and amplifying magic, those are very dangerous when put together. His experience with Oath magic being limited (limited by Relic standards) means it can't be fully countered either, unless the Master knows Oath magic.

Cause Demise has like 90% Ancient spells lol.

As I said, how strong you want him to be depends on what you want him to have been. As a human, he would have had a limit even as an Ancient Magic user, but he could have been among the good to better Thyrian mages of the time. If you want him to have been a Nephilim or a Cambion, that changes a lot of things - so it's your decision.

Well, such an emotional state would have certainly made his offensive spells more powerful, but it also makes them a lot more unstable. Which, considering that Ancient Magic is already wild and unstable to begin with, isn't necessarily a good thing xD

What do you mean by limited though? As I said, the magic of the Oath can be just as powerful as Ancient Magic, but while the strength of the Ancient Magic lies in instincts and sheer power, and in feelings, the Magic of the Oath is specialized and it relies on knowledge. If we were to take a powerful Ancient Magic wielder and a just as powerful mage of the Oath, they would have roughly equal chances.

The Magic of the Oath is a lot more used because it's less dangerous and quirky, especially for humans. But just as there are only a few people able to master the Ancient Magic, only a few were able to surpass their own limits and to control the Magic of the Oath on a level comparable to the Ancient Magic of the Loroi Sages.

And of course, the most powerful mage the world has ever seen as an Oath mage.

Well, what would that change? I don't want to go changing things without knowing first and screwing something up

If you assume that it's just aimless rage and despair. The difference here, to use 16 year old me as an example, is between the sudden outburst rage, or 'Firestorm Rage' as i call it, versus what i called 'Terminator Rage', both are terrifying but one is significantly more dangerous, it comes with all the lack of inhibition and increased strength and tenacity of anger, just focused like a laser on your face, instead of everything around me, usually inanimate objects. Terminator usually goes after living things, which is part of why i call it Terminator, that and the "Suddenly focused and goal-driven" thing. Demise is typically what i'd call 'Terminator Rage', because he typically targets the living, and does so with a very deliberate and controlled application of still extreme amounts of force.

The whole, anger can be a great motivator for your goals thing, except his goal is to kill you and all your friends, so that's probably not good. XD

As in, he, himself, has never actually used Oath magic. He'll have been a conduit and amplifier for it, like any magical tool would be, but never actually have cast it himself. It's like the difference between book knowledge of a spell and actual practical use knowledge of a spell. He would have lots of the former, only a little of the latter, as most of the spell casting is actually done by the Master, not necessarily by him.
Or, so i'm thinking? I might be being a dum dum, it happens ;-;

That's not surprising, actually, given simple statistics states that Oath magic is more readily available and learnable to a larger number of users, and it therefore stands to reason that though it may be equally as difficult to reach Loroi Sage level, that there would be more of them, and also therefore making it entirely expected that the #1 mage duderino is an Oath guy.

[Kingdom of Irhk]

What time zone is everyone on?

Brasília.

[Tracian Empire]

Well, what would that change? I don't want to go changing things without knowing first and screwing something up

If you assume that it's just aimless rage and despair. The difference here, to use 16 year old me as an example, is between the sudden outburst rage, or 'Firestorm Rage' as i call it, versus what i called 'Terminator Rage', both are terrifying but one is significantly more dangerous, it comes with all the lack of inhibition and increased strength and tenacity of anger, just focused like a laser on your face, instead of everything around me, usually inanimate objects. Terminator usually goes after living things, which is part of why i call it Terminator, that and the "Suddenly focused and goal-driven" thing. Demise is typically what i'd call 'Terminator Rage', because he typically targets the living, and does so with a very deliberate and controlled application of still extreme amounts of force.

The whole, anger can be a great motivator for your goals thing, except his goal is to kill you and all your friends, so that's probably not good. XD

As in, he, himself, has never actually used Oath magic. He'll have been a conduit and amplifier for it, like any magical tool would be, but never actually have cast it himself. It's like the difference between book knowledge of a spell and actual practical use knowledge of a spell. He would have lots of the former, only a little of the latter, as most of the spell casting is actually done by the Master, not necessarily by him.
Or, so i'm thinking? I might be being a dum dum, it happens ;-;

That's not surprising, actually, given simple statistics states that Oath magic is more readily available and learnable to a larger number of users, and it therefore stands to reason that though it may be equally as difficult to reach Loroi Sage level, that there would be more of them, and also therefore making it entirely expected that the #1 mage duderino is an Oath guy.

It would change a lot of things. It's easier for half-angels and half-demons to use Ancient Magic, and they also inherit the powers of their demonic or angelic parent. However, their powers, no matter how strong they are, are really, really unstable. Most of the Nephilim and Cambions die when their mortal bodies burn, unable to wield their powers - just so that you can make an idea about how unstable their powers are. Not many manage to master their powers and to survive.

Then again, Demise wouldn't remember much about his past, like most relics, he would only remember confused bits and pieces.

Those are some interesting distinctions and explanations, yeah xD

But my point is the same - Ancient Magic is heavily influenced by feelings, even so more by negative feelings. While his rage would help the strength and power of his spells, it would make then even more unstable than usual. Ancient Magic spells are controlled by thoughts, and since the magic itself is quirky, you can never know for sure how you spell will look once it's made. Many Ancient Magic wielders lost control of their spells due to the feelings that manipulated them.

Ancient Magic spells are also generally pure, brutal, and unrefined.

Yeah, that explanation makes sense xD

That's not all of it though. Yes, there are more Oath mages around, and the Magic of the Oath is easier to learn, and that's one of the reasons for why the Loroi were absolutely crushed by the Thyrians and their new magic. The Mages of the Oath can cooperate in magic spells, can create new chants and continuously improve their magic, while overwhelming their enemies with refined, specialized and directly targeted spells, while the Ancient Magic wielders have to react based on their instincts, thoughts, and feelings, all while trying not to lose control of the magic.

But it's not like mastering the magic of the Oath is easy too. It's more than just learning chants, it's about feeling the flow of the magic, being one with it, understanding it. And the Mage-Emperor was more than just the most powerful mage in the known world. He was almost a god in terms of power, and he was to effortlessly think his chants, giving him the same spell making speed as an Ancient Magic wielder.

[Tracian Empire]

Arius Delcie

Alright, we're going to have to discuss his magic. People don't just create entire new types of magic on their own. You need to decide whether he uses Ancient Magic or the Magic of the Oath, and you should edit that section accordingly. The whole born out of his will part makes me think of Ancient Magic, but since he isn't exactly a mage, it could be tricky for him to control it and its effects. It could be interesting though.

As for the individual spells/powers, the blink part is interesting, with the mention that each time he blinks, he would consume mana. It's the same for all the other spells - the warp part is a little more complicated. How far away are we talking, and how much control does he have on where he will teleport?

Teleportation magic exists, but it's difficult to perform in general, and mages normally prefer to use already existing gateways - but that's for the Magic of the Oath. Ancient Magic can teleport people out of nothing, but it's rather imprecise with where you'll be teleported.

[Charlia]

*creating a new Archbishop of Sin*

*because I can*

[Nea Videssos]

*creating a new Archbishop of Sin*

*because I can*

Any sin in particular?