The Precedent of the United States: 2052 Election RP [OOC]

[New Cobastheia]

Any chance you also have the statistics on religion and religiosity nationwide Vienna?

[Zjaum]

Any chance you also have the statistics on religion and religiosity nationwide Vienna?

I assume that trends have continued from the past century, but I'd be down for my character getting corrected. My assumption is that the Latin American immigration thing makes the Christian group much more Roman Catholic, but that fewer and fewer people are going to church. As being an atheist becomes less of a counter-culture thing and more of a cultural norm, Christian numbers would decline.

[New Cobastheia]

Any chance you also have the statistics on religion and religiosity nationwide Vienna?

I assume that trends have continued from the past century, but I'd be down for my character getting corrected. My assumption is that the Latin American immigration thing makes the Christian group much more Roman Catholic, but that fewer and fewer people are going to church. As being an atheist becomes less of a counter-culture thing and more of a cultural norm, Christian numbers would decline.

I was mainly wondering from just the standpoint of demographics and how it would affect the polls, because so far we haven't really brought up religion much on the campaign.

I've been assuming that religiosity in general has dropped massively nationwide, something we can already see today. And, while there currently isn't a single open atheist in Congress, Guess is openly an Atheist and I haven't seen anyone, or at least I don't remember anyone, attacking him for that which at least makes me think religion doesn't play a role in American Politics in 2052

[New Cobastheia]

Ok, so second question, and third question too.

I was just reading an article on Trumps proposed changes to the Cabinet, which also renames the Department of Health and Human Services to the Department of Public Welfare (It also gives control over food stamps), cause we're saying that the Commerce-Education merge was successful, we would probably say that this was successful as well.

However, I'm not really all that sure if Democrats would care enough to change back the HHS to PW thing, so should we go by that then?

Also, I'm kind of considering Guess proposing a massive streamlining of the Cabinet (The only Departments that I can't think will have some kind of noticeable change in what they have power of are State and Veteran Affairs, there are more though if Guess tries to make a Department of the Home, his attempt to make a proper DHS, without the political expectance of 9/11), however, I am wondering how the changes would affect polls, and because we're running campaigns for President it would be assumed that we have pollsters to test our policies, and your really the only one who has access to polls.

The main thing I'm worried about, and the main reason I'm asking for this poll, is the Department of Education. As to whether it should be kept as be or merged into what I'm calling the Department of Human Services, a consolidation of HHS and the Housing parts of HUD, but then again the Democrats also put there support in someone who wants School Choice so...

I can go into more detail if need be, or you guys just want to know the plans before I make any kind of post in the IC as Guess

[Vienna Eliot]

I am going to input campaign data that's been backing up right now and start the debate.

[Vienna Eliot]

We're in the middle of a debate, and it's hard to convey this ICly, but just for fun, here are your top 3 closest races and margins of victory if the election were held today:

1. Arizona — 0.14%
2. Georgia — 0.15%
3. Florida — 0.32%

Better get those yard signs up!

Also, I haven't been doing it before, but I'm going to start paying attention to exactly where events are held. I noticed when looking at posts about Florida, being from the Sunshine State myself, that there are certain strategic advantages for campaigning certain places. There are certainly places it'd just be silly to campaign, certain places that would be best for fundraisers, certain places that are already decided or will never swing for certain candidates or will have no effect on the race at all. So that's just a little thing I'll be accounting for in the calculator to increase realism.

[Zjaum]

Let's roll!

[New Cobastheia]

I'm just wondering, is the next Presidental Debate going to be taking a town hall format or a traditional format?

If you haven't decided yet, I'd think it would be intrusting to do a town hall style one, seeing as we haven't done anything like it yet

[Vienna Eliot]

I'm just wondering, is the next Presidental Debate going to be taking a town hall format or a traditional format?

If you haven't decided yet, I'd think it would be intrusting to do a town hall style one, seeing as we haven't done anything like it yet

Town hall, for sure. I can't pass up on the opportunity to bring Ken Bone back.

[New Cobastheia]

I'm just wondering, is the next Presidental Debate going to be taking a town hall format or a traditional format?

If you haven't decided yet, I'd think it would be intrusting to do a town hall style one, seeing as we haven't done anything like it yet

Town hall, for sure. I can't pass up on the opportunity to bring Ken Bone back.

You know that thing characters do in the movies when their light widen and light up, well I just did that
Not so sure how to feel about myself now

[New Cobastheia]

Hey Vienna, based on the population projections your using, do you know if the US is Minority-Majority at this point? Just wondering cause I was looking it up and most of the sources I looked at said it would happen in the early 2040's, so just wondering if that's how it is with this timeline.

Yes — 56% minority. The 2052 U.S. population is 500,176,977. It breaks down as follows:

White: 219,139,917
Hispanic: 167,135,260
Black: 60,200,136
Asian: 44,884,659
Other: 8,817,005

I just remembered reading something about possibly adding at Middle Eastern/North African option for the Census in 2020, and after a google search it looks like that's not gonna happen anymore, but I'm kinda wondering what putting that option in would do to the demographics, so, just wondering, is there any way you can do that? (And also put an Indigenous option down too, even though it would be less than 10 mil, I'm still curious) And then give us the updated info

[Vienna Eliot]

Second presidential debate will start Monday evening and we will aim for it to last the rest of the week before the 27th, which is when the one day IC = one day OOC begins. I have the polls ready to post right when this debate ends!

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[Vienna Eliot]

Yes — 56% minority. The 2052 U.S. population is 500,176,977. It breaks down as follows:

White: 219,139,917
Hispanic: 167,135,260
Black: 60,200,136
Asian: 44,884,659
Other: 8,817,005

I just remembered reading something about possibly adding at Middle Eastern/North African option for the Census in 2020, and after a google search it looks like that's not gonna happen anymore, but I'm kinda wondering what putting that option in would do to the demographics, so, just wondering, is there any way you can do that? (And also put an Indigenous option down too, even though it would be less than 10 mil, I'm still curious) And then give us the updated info

I do not have hard numbers for that information, as I relied on some research — God help me if I can find the document — that predicted demographic trends.

I will see if I can find the report again, and if it has that information. Otherwise, for a more qualitative approach to answering your question: Trump never let up on his policies regarding refugees and immigrants, but Graham made amnesty a key part of her plan. This brought a lot of refugees from South and Central America into the country, but by the time she was elected refugees from the region were traveling to Turkey and Asia — Europe had stopped taking them in. So the population went up a little bit, and while it wasn't negligible, it wasn't drastic at all either.

[Helowi]

I’m sorry I didn’t do a rebuttals to Randolph’s statement. I was feeling a bit down the last couple of days and just needed a day to relax. I’m back though, and I’m working on my next post.

[New Cobastheia]

Second presidential debate will start Monday evening and we will aim for it to last the rest of the week before the 27th, which is when the one day IC = one day OOC begins. I have the polls ready to post right when this debate ends!

Bonus: unused headline—
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I fucking love it, so sad to see it be unused, but hey, tis life

I’m sorry I didn’t do a rebuttals to Randolph’s statement. I was feeling a bit down the last couple of days and just needed a day to relax. I’m back though, and I’m working on my next post.

Don't worry bout it man, our irl selfs should always come before a roleplay, even if it is an extremely fun one

[Vienna Eliot]

For the record, the polls are now basically immediately outdated, because they do not factor in the fallout from the failed impeachment attempt.

[New Cobastheia]

To be fair, I knew it very unlikely to ever go anywhere (Still fun to read through, and an October Surprise how intrusting and mysterious, can't wait for it (Unless of course, it's the involvement of Guess in the impeachment, in which case, fuckme, that's a big ol' wrench I partial created for myself sorta hoping it would become a big ol' wrench, although, how would a Conservative Organizer get that info, cause if that is it, like how'd he get it? (Am totally curious about what Wu said to Cortez-Luna now though)))

I'm assuming the polls would go in a plus direction of Egilson, regardless of the fact that Cortez-Luna is a Libertarian because she was getting help from the Democrats in the House for the cause.

On a side note, didn't know the Speaker could let someone be Speaker pro tempore until that post. The more you know I guess.

Also, are we going to get headlines for it tomorrow?

[Vienna Eliot]

To be fair, I knew it very unlikely to ever go anywhere (Still fun to read through, and an October Surprise how intrusting and mysterious, can't wait for it (Unless of course, it's the involvement of Guess in the impeachment, in which case, fuckme, that's a big ol' wrench I partial created for myself sorta hoping it would become a big ol' wrench, although, how would a Conservative Organizer get that info, cause if that is it, like how'd he get it? (Am totally curious about what Wu said to Cortez-Luna now though)))

I'm assuming the polls would go in a plus direction of Egilson, regardless of the fact that Cortez-Luna is a Libertarian because she was getting help from the Democrats in the House for the cause.

On a side note, didn't know the Speaker could let someone be Speaker pro tempore until that post. The more you know I guess.

Also, are we going to get headlines for it tomorrow?

Probably a full news story, or a few headlines with an excerpt for each one.

[Helowi]

I’m currently debating what Wright would have voted on in the impeachment process. I am considering between him voting nay to impeachment or maybe him casting a “present” vote.

[New Cobastheia]

I’m currently debating what Wright would have voted on in the impeachment process. I am considering between him voting nay to impeachment or maybe him casting a “present” vote.

Well, he's a Senator so it would have taken a lot to even get to him. Passing the House Judiciary, and then a Republican Controlled House, and what not. I'm currently writing what the Guess Strategy will be towards this.

[Helowi]

I’m currently debating what Wright would have voted on in the impeachment process. I am considering between him voting nay to impeachment or maybe him casting a “present” vote.

Well, he's a Senator so it would have taken a lot to even get to him. Passing the House Judiciary, and then a Republican Controlled House, and what not. I'm currently writing what the Guess Strategy will be towards this.

Oh yeah. Sorry, I’m really tired and misspoke.

[New Cobastheia]

By the way everyone, have been writing that post for a very long time, and I am now very tired, if you don't understand anything, just send me a quick TG and I'll try and tell you what I meant, and I'll try to fix it in the post as well.

[New Cobastheia]

Since a Reform Party candidate has just been established, I've suddenly got into a wondering mood on what the Libertarians and Greens did this election seeing as the Republican nominee was a Libertarian and the Democratic nominee is a massive environmentalist. Not to mention Electoral Fusion is illegal in most states

[Zjaum]

You know, I've got to say... there was something about the four candidates (at the very least with their pictures) that we've got up here that rubbed me the right way, and I couldn't put my finger on it until now. It really makes sense that these four would be the new faces of their respective parties. Egilson and Wright both look like the "taxation is theft" nerd libertarians who go to every YAL convention they could find, who talk in their own respective three-man small-government clubs on college campuses. Meanwhile, Guess and Randolph seem like the cosmopolitan Model United Nations people who go to all of their MUN conferences and seem like they don't believe a word they say until you talk with them and they actually do mean everything they say. They are what I've come to know (at least in my recent college experience) as the inevitable pinnacle of Republican and Democrat cultures, at least from my late-2010s diagnosis. Well done to everyone involved.

[Vienna Eliot]

You know, I've got to say... there was something about the four candidates (at the very least with their pictures) that we've got up here that rubbed me the right way, and I couldn't put my finger on it until now. It really makes sense that these four would be the new faces of their respective parties. Egilson and Wright both look like the "taxation is theft" nerd libertarians who go to every YAL convention they could find, who talk in their own respective three-man small-government clubs on college campuses. Meanwhile, Guess and Randolph seem like the cosmopolitan Model United Nations people who go to all of their MUN conferences and seem like they don't believe a word they say until you talk with them and they actually do mean everything they say. They are what I've come to know (at least in my recent college experience) as the inevitable pinnacle of Republican and Democrat cultures, at least from my late-2010s diagnosis. Well done to everyone involved.

This made me wonder what the candidates were doing in 2018. I did some math: in 2018...

• Wright has just celebrated his third birthday. He solved his first puzzle and has started making friends.
• Guess is 11 years old. He recently started middle school and his parents are about to divorce.
• Egilson is a child, age unclear. What we do know is that he was a radical leftist at this time.
• Randolph is 12, and a younger sibling was just born. She’s living in a tiny apartment in New Orleans with her family.
• Bonus: Dick Fischer is 37 and farming cherries in rural Florida. Aidan O’Connor is 30 and running for state assembly in New York. James Comey is 57 and touring Iowa? Gwen Graham is 55 and running for Governor of Florida. Donald Trump is 72 and tweeting. Jimmy Carter is 93 and he’s doing just fine.

Since a Reform Party candidate has just been established, I've suddenly got into a wondering mood on what the Libertarians and Greens did this election seeing as the Republican nominee was a Libertarian and the Democratic nominee is a massive environmentalist. Not to mention Electoral Fusion is illegal in most states

The Libertarian Party and the Green Party — both of which still exist in most states — decided not to nominate their own candidates. While Egilson and Guess are not Libertarian or Green nominees, respectively, they are endorsed by those parties. Also Rocky De La Fuente is still alive and running dumb campaigns.