A small angry planet [OCC/OPEN!]

[Plzen]

Post is up! The Commonwealth responds.

[Galactic Collectivist States]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Then again, what could the USSR possibly even hope to do to us? We could probably intercept whatever missiles they fire at us from incredibly long distances with the PD laser guns and turrets we got.

[Plzen]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Bouvetøya is uninhabited and highly isolated. Every single person on the island will be accounted for, anybody that tries to sneak on or off subject to satellite surveillance, and the negotiation party will consist of the same kind of meticulously audited people that form the State Minister's security detail.

There are many reasons why I picked that island, and security is one of them.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Then again, what could the USSR possibly even hope to do to us? We could probably intercept whatever missiles they fire at us from incredibly long distances with the PD laser guns and turrets we got.

Stealth in space is impossible. And with a bunch of satellites watching your position we would notice anything coming from you position. In regards to weapons, I will have that post up in a bit - but intercepting the missiles will be quite difficult.

[Galactic Collectivist States]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Bouvetøya is uninhabited and highly isolated. Every single person on the island will be accounted for, anybody that tries to sneak on or off subject to satellite surveillance, and the negotiation party will consist of the same kind of meticulously audited people that form the State Minister's security detail.

There are many reasons why I picked that island, and security is one of them.

Hmm, works out. IF the Soviets do feel like they want to fight, I'll do my best to minimize civilian casualties and givem a 'small' "firepower demonstration". The Moon is roughly 238,900 mi / 384,400 km from Earth, so my weapon turrets are in range (discounting the large spinal mounted weapon).

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Then again, what could the USSR possibly even hope to do to us? We could probably intercept whatever missiles they fire at us from incredibly long distances with the PD laser guns and turrets we got.

Stealth in space is impossible. And with a bunch of satellites watching your position we would notice anything coming from you position. In regards to weapons, I will have that post up in a bit - but intercepting the missiles will be quite difficult.

Well, more correctly, stealth in space is impossible- assuming sufficiently advanced detection technology.

With what we have nowadays? Not so much.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Stealth in space is impossible. And with a bunch of satellites watching your position we would notice anything coming from you position. In regards to weapons, I will have that post up in a bit - but intercepting the missiles will be quite difficult.

Well, more correctly, stealth in space is impossible- assuming sufficiently advanced detection technology.

With what we have nowadays? Not so much.

Depends by what means of stealth they posses.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

Well, more correctly, stealth in space is impossible- assuming sufficiently advanced detection technology.

With what we have nowadays? Not so much.

Depends by what means of stealth they posses.

Like psionics, if the Veselar wanted to. (They don't.)

[Plzen]

Well, more correctly, stealth in space is impossible- assuming sufficiently advanced detection technology.

With what we have nowadays? Not so much.

Spaceships with their engines on are hard to miss even with older detection technologies. There's only so much you can do to hide what is essentially a huge power source.

But then again, there's this:

"In space, everyone sees everything. But in war, nobody can be quite sure what they're looking at."

[Multiversal Venn-Copard]

Depends by what means of stealth they posses.

Like psionics, if the Veselar wanted to. (They don't.)

Oh dear, that gives me an idea for other scifi RPs... what about a ship with antimemetic stealth? Rather than trying to mask its signatures, which'll never work against half-decent detection anyway, the ship just makes everyone forget it's there.

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[G-Tech Corporation]

Well, more correctly, stealth in space is impossible- assuming sufficiently advanced detection technology.

With what we have nowadays? Not so much.

Spaceships with their engines on are hard to miss even with older detection technologies. There's only so much you can do to hide what is essentially a huge power source.

But then again, there's this:

"In space, everyone sees everything. But in war, nobody can be quite sure what they're looking at."

Spaceships with conventional engines, sure. Even conventional spaceships don’t necessarily have to have their engines on though.

[Plzen]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Then again, what could the USSR possibly even hope to do to us? We could probably intercept whatever missiles they fire at us from incredibly long distances with the PD laser guns and turrets we got.

The USSR wants to go at it alone, without international co-operation? Fine.

Then we, too, are going to act fully in favour of our interests within our rights as a sovereign member state of the United Nations, and one of the things that sovereign states can do is invite guests to its internationally recognised territory. If the Soviets feel like complaining, we'll ignore their diplomats.

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Oh dear, that gives me an idea for other scifi RPs... what about a ship with antimemetic stealth? Rather than trying to mask its signatures, which'll never work against half-decent detection anyway, the ship just makes everyone forget it's there.

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No surveillance system is good enough to see what the observer does not wish to see.

Although there are ways to make that work without having to design incredibly advanced psychological technologies, unless your opponent is wise enough to thoroughly screen the people who man their airspace defences.

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Hmm, works out. IF the Soviets do feel like they want to fight, I'll do my best to minimize civilian casualties and givem a 'small' "firepower demonstration". The Moon is roughly 238,900 mi / 384,400 km from Earth, so my weapon turrets are in range (discounting the large spinal mounted weapon).

If the Soviets try to fight, we'll bump the issue up to the Security Council. Sure, they can just veto anything that goes on in there, but then the fact that it's going on in there in the first place means that they're going to have to stand up at a podium in front of a few hundred national representatives and explain just exactly why attacking diplomatic personnel in someone else's territory was a legitimate action.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Spaceships with their engines on are hard to miss even with older detection technologies. There's only so much you can do to hide what is essentially a huge power source.

But then again, there's this:

"In space, everyone sees everything. But in war, nobody can be quite sure what they're looking at."

Spaceships with conventional engines, sure. Even conventional spaceships don’t necessarily have to have their engines on though.

It's not just engines - it's thermal radiation. Movement of any kind generates hea which can be distinguished from the general background radiation of space. Hypothetically you could try and blend into the background radiation, but that would require some substantial power - now the reactors are back on and there hiding becomes hard again.

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

Like psionics, if the Veselar wanted to. (They don't.)

Oh dear, that gives me an idea for other scifi RPs... what about a ship with antimemetic stealth? Rather than trying to mask its signatures, which'll never work against half-decent detection anyway, the ship just makes everyone forget it's there.

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I meant telekinetically bending sources of radiation away from targets; your idea, however, is an order of magnitude more brilliant.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Hmm, meeting with the Scandinavians on Earth proper would probably trigger the Soviets, however, I'm going to assume whatever sci-fi stealth systems should make infiltration pretty easy. That being said, the USSR probably has spies all over the place on the ground.

Then again, what could the USSR possibly even hope to do to us? We could probably intercept whatever missiles they fire at us from incredibly long distances with the PD laser guns and turrets we got.

The USSR wants to go at it alone, without international co-operation? Fine.

Then we, too, are going to act fully in favour of our interests within our rights as a sovereign member state of the United Nations, and one of the things that sovereign states can do is invite guests to its internationally recognised territory. If the Soviets feel like complaining, we'll ignore their diplomats.

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Oh dear, that gives me an idea for other scifi RPs... what about a ship with antimemetic stealth? Rather than trying to mask its signatures, which'll never work against half-decent detection anyway, the ship just makes everyone forget it's there.

scribbles down notes

No surveillance system is good enough to see what the observer does not wish to see.

Although there are ways to make that work without having to design incredibly advanced psychological technologies, unless your opponent is wise enough to thoroughly screen the people who man their airspace defences.

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Hmm, works out. IF the Soviets do feel like they want to fight, I'll do my best to minimize civilian casualties and givem a 'small' "firepower demonstration". The Moon is roughly 238,900 mi / 384,400 km from Earth, so my weapon turrets are in range (discounting the large spinal mounted weapon).

If the Soviets try to fight, we'll bump the issue up to the Security Council. Sure, they can just veto anything that goes on in there, but then the fact that it's going on in there in the first place means that they're going to have to stand up at a podium in front of a few hundred national representatives and explain just exactly why attacking diplomatic personnel in someone else's territory was a legitimate action.

And you'll have to explain why you are inviting an unknown species of potentially hostile aliens to Earth. All of a sudden my defense seems quite reasonable. I am meeting them off Earth and I've made that info public. You are trying to have secret meetings on earth. You wanna bring that before the general assembly?

[Republic of the Cristo]

Oh dear, that gives me an idea for other scifi RPs... what about a ship with antimemetic stealth? Rather than trying to mask its signatures, which'll never work against half-decent detection anyway, the ship just makes everyone forget it's there.

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I meant telekinetically bending sources of radiation away from targets; your idea, however, is an order of magnitude more brilliant.

Telescopes make the radiation cloaking mute though. A lack of light whereally there used to be light is a dead give away

[Plzen]

And you'll have to explain why you are inviting an unknown species of potentially hostile aliens to Earth. All of a sudden my defense seems quite reasonable. I am meeting them off Earth and I've made that info public. You are trying to have secret meetings on earth. You wanna bring that before the general assembly?

Yes. We are fully willing to bring that up before the General Assembly.

But to say more than that would be spoilery.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Spaceships with conventional engines, sure. Even conventional spaceships don’t necessarily have to have their engines on though.

It's not just engines - it's thermal radiation. Movement of any kind generates hea which can be distinguished from the general background radiation of space. Hypothetically you could try and blend into the background radiation, but that would require some substantial power - now the reactors are back on and there hiding becomes hard again.

Nah, hardly. Moving through the vacuum? Barely a radiation signature, thermal, em, or exotic, unless you happen to pass through something that isn’t a vacuum. That big sail-ship though, the one with the giant duck off cannon, that’ll be kicking out enough exotic radiation to outshine a planet.

[Republic of the Cristo]

It's not just engines - it's thermal radiation. Movement of any kind generates hea which can be distinguished from the general background radiation of space. Hypothetically you could try and blend into the background radiation, but that would require some substantial power - now the reactors are back on and there hiding becomes hard again.

Nah, hardly. Moving through the vacuum? Barely a radiation signature, thermal, em, or exotic, unless you happen to pass through something that isn’t a vacuum. That big sail-ship though, the one with the giant duck off cannon, that’ll be kicking out enough exotic radiation to outshine a planet.

Oh there is absolutely radiation in space... it's pretty much everywhere in space. I can't link it because of my phone, but Google thermal radiation in space and it will detail how heat travels through space using radiation

[G-Tech Corporation]

Nah, hardly. Moving through the vacuum? Barely a radiation signature, thermal, em, or exotic, unless you happen to pass through something that isn’t a vacuum. That big sail-ship though, the one with the giant duck off cannon, that’ll be kicking out enough exotic radiation to outshine a planet.

Oh there is absolutely radiation in space... it's pretty much everywhere in space. I can't link it because of my phone, but Google thermal radiation in space and it will detail how heat travels through space using radiation

Yes, yes, of course. I’m hardly arguing that thermal energy can’t be transmitted through a vacuum. Just pointing out that there’s no particular reason a spacecraft will be adding to that thermal signature at a detectable level- let alone that that detectable signature will be arriving at earthbound monitoring systems in a useful timeframe.

[Plzen]

Yes, yes, of course. I’m hardly arguing that thermal energy can’t be transmitted through a vacuum. Just pointing out that there’s no particular reason a spacecraft will be adding to that thermal signature at a detectable level- let alone that that detectable signature will be arriving at earthbound monitoring systems in a useful timeframe.

Blackbody radiation, unless you run all your systems at 3K.

Of course, by blackbody radiation a spaceship is indistinguishable from an asteroid, but the Solar System is reasonably well mapped out where big asteroids are concerned...

[Former Citizens of the Nimbus System]

I meant telekinetically bending sources of radiation away from targets; your idea, however, is an order of magnitude more brilliant.

Telescopes make the radiation cloaking mute though. A lack of light whereally there used to be light is a dead give away

Then... Sensors within the craft to detect where radiation around it is coming from so that it can be replaced/not filtered out on the other side?

Going to look up asteroid capture now, since it's crucial to the next part of my roleplaying.

[Galactic Collectivist States]

Anyhow, time to write a response a begin my next set of moves. The drones shall be deployed.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yes, yes, of course. I’m hardly arguing that thermal energy can’t be transmitted through a vacuum. Just pointing out that there’s no particular reason a spacecraft will be adding to that thermal signature at a detectable level- let alone that that detectable signature will be arriving at earthbound monitoring systems in a useful timeframe.

Blackbody radiation, unless you run all your systems at 3K.

Of course, by blackbody radiation a spaceship is indistinguishable from an asteroid, but the Solar System is reasonably well mapped out where big asteroids are concerned...

Or, rather, just your “cloak”. Blending in with the thermal/em signature of a vacuum should be fairly simple for a spacefaring race. Easier still if you can just dump emissions to your FTL flavor of the month, or internal capacitors.

[Galactic Collectivist States]

Honestly, I don't think stealth is even necessary (for myself). The UNS October Revolution probably emits far too much heat to be adequately covered up (and just so you all know, it has no stealth systems), but this is of little worry. At over 300,000 km from Earth, there's little to no way any Earth-based nation will be able to reach us in adequate time, while our own weapons are within striking distance. Any sort of offensive missile launch will definitely be detected, so trying to surprise us won't work.

Our ship was built taking into account that our enemies might be firing dozens to hundreds of extremely high yield warheads at relativistic velocities towards us. A bunch of old ICBMs are nothing in comparison.