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[Daeseong]

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Cheyenne Tribe
Population: 22,970
GDP (nominal) per capita:
Military manpower (active/reserve): 5,000 actives, 1,000 reserves
Language(s): Cheyenne
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur):
Nation description:
Main nation on NS: Shogunate of the Uzumaki Empire
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional):
National History Overview: The earliest known written historical record of the Cheyenne comes from the mid-17th century, when a group of Cheyenne visited the French Fort Crevecoeur, near present-day Peoria, Illinois. The Cheyenne at this time lived between the Mississippi River and Mille Lacs Lake in present-day Minnesota. The Cheyenne economy was based on the collection of wild rice and hunting, especially of bison, which lived in the prairies 70–80 miles west of the Cheyenne villages.
RP Samples (1-2):

Please re-read the OP

[Arumdaum]

wow that's a pretty cool map but where am i on it

[Daeseong]

wow that's a pretty cool map but where am i on it

Wait for Kven to do stuff!

[Plzen]

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Scandinavia

Population: The total number of citizens in the Scandinavian Commonwealth is 47.26 millions, growing at some 0.3% per year, but the total number of residents is slightly lower due to Scandinavian citizens living abroad outnumbering foreign citizens residing in Scandinavia. The population is heavily concentrated in the south, with the north being very thinly populated.

~~Nordiska rådet~~
10. folkräkning, 4530 K.T / 1834 e. Kr

Regioner (folkräkningsområden nivå 2)

Skandinaviska samväldet (summa) - 47.26m

Republikken Danmark - 12.66m
Sjælland - 4.26m
Jylland - 3.53m
Slesvig og Holsten - 2.72m
Skåneland - 2.15m

Konungariket Sverige - 9.93m
Östra Svealand - 3.55m
Västra Götaland - 2.71m
Norrland - 1.61m
Västra Svealand - 1.11m
Östra Götaland - 0.96m

Suomen tasavalta / Republiken Finland - 8.14m
Etelä-Suomi / Södra Finland - 3.67m
Länsi-Suomi / Västra Finland - 2.86m
Karjala / Karelen - 1.05m
Sápmi / Lappland - 0.57m

Republikken Norge - 7.43m
Austlandet - 3.52m
Vestlandet - 1.98m
Nord-Noreg - 1.66m
Norskehavet - 0.27m

Neva - 2.53m
Livland / Livonija - 1.79m
Estland / Eesti - 1.19m
Inkerinmaa / Ingermanland - 1.17m
Lubecks kommune / Stadt Lübeck - 1.09m
Rigas kommun / Rīga - 0.87m
Lýðveldið Ísland - 0.45m

GDP (nominal) per capita: The nominal GDP per capita of the Scandinavian Commonwealth is kr. 248,500 (roughly ~7500 real-life USD), growing at some 3.8% a year, but development is very uneven; Denmark and Sweden boast relatively established industrial economies, while Norway and the Baltic regions are underdeveloped economies reliant on natural resources, tourism, and basic manufacturing.

Military manpower (active/reserve): The Armed Forces of the Scandinavian Commonwealth officially boasts 362,000 active and 195,000 reserve personnel, in addition to about a hundred thousand unofficial paramilitary forces that could if necessary be called upon for national defence.

Languages: The Scandinavian Commonwealth recognises Scandinavian and Finnish as its official languages, but there are many linguistic minorities in the cities and in the border regions. Linguistic minorities are often geographical. There is also a significant bilingual population that is fluent in both Scandinavian and Cantonese.

Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): The territory of the Scandinavian Commonwealth encompasses most of Northern Europe, stretching from Iceland in the west to Nöteborg in the east, and from Lübeck in the south to an undefined northern frontier. Although the Scandinavian Commonwealth maintains that its territory extends to the North Pole, and in fact does de facto control the island of Svalbard, this Arctic territorial claim is disputed by the international community.

Nation description: The Scandinavian Commonwealth refers to the four States and seven Territories under the governance of the Nordic Council, the members of which are nominated by the local governments of each State and Territory. The Commonwealth is highly decentralised, with each State and Territory possessing its own independent legislature and strong local autonomy, and the Nordic Council being concerned primarily with affairs of the Commonwealth as a whole. All four States and four of the seven Territories of the Commonwealth are nominally democratic and hold free public elections, but the quality of these democracies, sometimes steeped deeply into abuses of power, corruption, rights violation, and electoral manipulation, are often and justifiably called into question.

Main nation on NS: Plzen, R. C. of.

How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): By this P2TM thread.

National History Overview: Although the Scandinavian peoples have maintained commercial contact with Asia for many years, the strengthening winds of Chinese imperialism did not wash upon their northern shores until the 16th Century. The Kalmar Union has been unstable for some time and this instability, with the beginning of the Swedish War of Independence in 1520 e. Kr, broke out into open conflict that the foreign powers were all too happy to exploit. Having secured Scandinavian disunity, in the form of Swedish independence, and various commercial concessions from the Danish Crown in this war, [foreign power] slowly vassalised the remainder of Denmark-Norway in the following decades, establishing it as a colonial protectorate.

The colonial era was not an easy one for Scandinavia. With Denmark-Norway a protectorate of [foreign power] and with Sweden being forced to give up its Baltic territories by [other foreign power] via diplomatic pressure that it was unable to resist, the fate of the Scandinavian people rested as a candle against the winds. The new Vasa dynasty of Sweden, however, demonstrated itself highly competent, and over the next few decades the Kingdom of Sweden played off the interests of [foreign power] against the interests of [other foreign power] to secure its independence and indirect neutrality, while slow but consistent reform turned the feudal society of precolonial Sweden into the modern constitutional monarchy that entered the 1700s. As Sweden grew more attuned to eastern philosophical and political ideals, of paternalism, national unity, and liberalism, new political forces entered the field. Paternalistic nationalism, pan-Scandianvian thought, swept across the country like wildfire, while demands for liberalisation and democracy were raised ever higher. Although the Crown did its best to suppress these new movements, by the time of the Great Wars the Swedish state had to make some concessions to these new movements, beginning the era of an elected riksdag and of quiet Swedish support to Danish and Norwegian independence movements.

Decolonisation in Northern Europe was messy, uncontrolled, and prolongued. The Copenhagen Emergency lasted for almost a decade, before the war-weary [foreign power], devastated from the Great Wars, recognised the independence of Denmark and Norway, while the collapse of [other foreign power] left the Baltic region with a significantly enlarged Republic of Finland and its client states to the south eventually dominated the area. Newly independent Finland promptly collapsed back into chaos, as socialistic revolutionaries sought to establish a worker's paradise west of the Baltics. Sweden, fearing that these winds would sweep west into Scandinavia, intervened in the civil war, supporting the social-conservative government and binding the two nations in a military alliance, rapidly joined by the pro-Swedish governments in Copenhagen and Oslo, themselves steeped in pan-Scandinavian idealism.

The next few decades were characterised by miraculous economic development in the south, as Denmark - a third-rate postcolonial state by any reasonable metric - became the core of North Sea and Baltic industry, commerce, and service and Copenhagen grew into a financial centre, soon outstripping Sweden and leaving the more unstable states of the north, which were far less successful in their own economic development, behind. Meanwhile, the Stockholm-Helsinki Pact became the Scandinavian Alliance, which became the Scandinavian Commonwealth, as Stockholm continued to press hard for closer and closer integration between the northern nations. Economic and cultural developments soon made a political one inevitable, as reactionary forces clashed with revolutionary forces. No longer on the battlefield, but equally vigorously in the streets, universities, and, since Denmark became the first member of the Alliance to hold free elections in 1792, in the ballot box.

Now, the Scandinavian people once more stand at a crossroads, but of a different sort. They are weak, but with enormous potential. Humiliated, yet defiant. Small, although growing. They stand before the future, prepared to bear it as a man bears the northern winter.

RP Samples (1-2): 1850: Alternate Divergence

[Sabara]

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Scandinavia

Population: The total number of citizens in the Scandinavian Commonwealth is 37.26 millions, growing at some 0.3% per year, but the total number of residents is slightly lower due to Scandinavian citizens living abroad outnumbering foreign citizens residing in Scandinavia. The population is heavily concentrated in the south, with the north being very thinly populated.

GDP (nominal) per capita: The nominal GDP per capita of the Scandinavian Commonwealth is kr. 248,500 (roughly ~7500 real-life USD, at par with real-life Thailand), growing at some 3.8% a year, but development is very uneven; Denmark and Sweden boast relatively established industrial economies, while Norway and the Baltic regions are underdeveloped economies reliant on natural resources, tourism, and basic manufacturing.

Military manpower (active/reserve): The Armed Forces of the Scandinavian Commonwealth officially boasts 362,000 active and 195,000 reserve personnel, in addition to about a hundred thousand unofficial paramilitary forces that could if necessary be called upon for national defence.

Languages: The Scandinavian Commonwealth recognises Scandinavian and Finnish as its official languages, but there are many linguistic minorities in the cities and in the border regions. There is also a significant bilingual population that is fluent in both Scandinavian and Cantonese.

Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): The territory of the Scandinavian Commonwealth encompasses most of Northern Europe, stretching from Greenland in the west to Nöteborg in the east, and from Lübeck in the south to an undefined northern frontier. Although the Scandinavian Commonwealth maintains that its territory extends to the North Pole, and in fact does de facto control the island of Svalbard, this Arctic territorial claim is disputed by the international community.

Nation description: The Scandinavian Commonwealth refers to the four States and seven Territories under the governance of the Nordic Council, the members of which are nominated by the local governments of each State and Territory. The Commonwealth is highly decentralised, with each State and Territory possessing its own independent legislature and strong local autonomy, and the Nordic Council being concerned primarily with affairs of the Commonwealth as a whole. All four States and four of the seven Territories of the Commonwealth are nominally democratic and hold free public elections, but the quality of these democracies, sometimes steeped deeply into abuses of power, corruption, rights violation, and electoral manipulation, are often and justifiably called into question.

Main nation on NS: Plzen, R. C. of.

How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): By this P2TM thread.

National History Overview: Although the Scandinavian peoples have maintained commercial contact with Asia for many years, the strengthening winds of Chinese imperialism did not wash upon their northern shores until the 16th Century. The Kalmar Union has been unstable for some time and this instability, with the beginning of the Swedish War of Independence in 1520 e. Kr, broke out into open conflict that the foreign powers were all too happy to exploit. Having secured Scandinavian disunity, in the form of Swedish independence, and various commercial concessions from the Danish Crown in this war, [foreign power] slowly vassalised the remainder of Denmark-Norway in the following decades, establishing it as a colonial protectorate.

The colonial era was not an easy one for Scandinavia. With Denmark-Norway a protectorate of [foreign power] and with Sweden being forced to give up its Baltic territories by [other foreign power] via diplomatic pressure that it was unable to resist, the fate of the Scandinavian people rested as a candle against the winds. The new Vasa dynasty of Sweden, however, demonstrated itself highly competent, and over the next few decades the Kingdom of Sweden played off the interests of [foreign power] against the interests of [other foreign power] to secure its independence and indirect neutrality, while slow but consistent reform turned the feudal society of precolonial Sweden into the modern constitutional monarchy that entered the 1700s. As Sweden grew more attuned to eastern philosophical and political ideals, of paternalism, national unity, and liberalism, new political forces entered the field. Paternalistic nationalism, pan-Scandianvian thought, swept across the country like wildfire, while demands for liberalisation and democracy were raised ever higher. Although the Crown did its best to suppress these new movements, by the time of the Great Wars the Swedish state had to make some concessions to these new movements, beginning the era of an elected riksdag and of quiet Swedish support to Danish and Norwegian independence movements.

Decolonisation in Northern Europe was messy, uncontrolled, and prolongued. The Copenhagen Emergency lasted for almost a decade, before the war-weary [foreign power], devastated from the Great Wars, recognised the independence of Denmark and Norway, while the collapse of [other foreign power] left the Baltic region with a significantly enlarged Republic of Finland and its client states to the south eventually dominated the area. Newly independent Finland promptly collapsed back into chaos, as socialistic revolutionaries sought to establish a worker's paradise west of the Baltics. Sweden, fearing that these winds would sweep west into Scandinavia, intervened in the civil war, supporting the social-conservative government and binding the two nations in a military alliance, rapidly joined by the pro-Swedish governments in Copenhagen and Oslo, themselves steeped in pan-Scandinavian idealism.

The next few decades were characterised by miraculous economic development in the south, as Denmark - a third-rate postcolonial state by any reasonable metric - became the core of North Sea and Baltic industry, commerce, and service and Copenhagen grew into a financial centre, soon outstripping Sweden and leaving the more unstable states of the north, which were far less successful in their own economic development, behind. Meanwhile, the Stockholm-Helsinki Pact became the Scandinavian Alliance, which became the Scandinavian Commonwealth, as Stockholm continued to press hard for closer and closer integration between the northern nations. Economic and cultural developments soon made a political one inevitable, as reactionary forces clashed with revolutionary forces. No longer on the battlefield, but equally vigorously in the streets, universities, and, since Denmark became the first member of the Alliance to hold free elections in 1792, in the ballot box.

Now, the Scandinavian people once more stand at a crossroads, but of a different sort. They are weak, but with enormous potential. Humiliated, yet defiant. Small, although growing. They stand before the future, prepared to bear it as a man bears the northern winter.

RP Samples (1-2): 1850: Alternate Divergence

Accepted.

[Plzen]

Accepted.

Looking forwards to this RP.

[The Widening Gyre]

This is all provisional, so feel free to point out any errors I've missed. Also tried to avoid stepping on Hippie Kiwis' toes here - will hopefully be logging into the discord soon to chat. Let me know if there are any problems in the meantime.

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: The Great River League
Population: 41.2 million (more in vassal/client/associate-member states)
GDP (nominal) per capita: $14 281
Military manpower (active/reserve): 220 000, unknown reserves. Traditionally the League has had no standing army, but as the southern cities industrialized their own citizen-militias began to professionalize along occidental lines and copy the equipment styles of the expatriate officers and logicians brought in to train them. With the ascendancy of the south in League politics the standing armies of the southern cities were consolidated and raised to be the 'national' army, but this move has been received with intense suspicion in the north, who fear a permanent southern takeover. Attempts by the central League authorities to promote professionalization and occidentalization in the rest of the polities of the League have been met with much foot-dragging, but has been slowly progressing over the last century and a half. The manpower of the League as such is not known with any certainty - the full raising of the League nations to war hasn't occurred in many generations, and the ability of the League's authorities to compel their members to war remains untested.
Language(s): Various - Cahokian is primary language of trade, culture and religion as well as official League affairs. Languages from throughout the heart of Turtle Island can be heard in the cities of the League, and the League authorities have been careful to promote a spirit of pan-continental ecumenism in their dealings with their neighbours. Various occidental language-speakers are also an increasingly common sight with the ascendancy of the Tulnun clique, particularly in the south and the capital of Cahokia, but have no official status as of yet.
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): Link
Nation description: The League is an array of contradictions. Not strictly a nation-state, it is rather a patchwork collection of polities from villages to cities to tribal sub-confederations bound together by ancient and labyrinthine treaties of trade and mutual defense. The decentralized and fractious nature of the League has slowed its development, historically, and it remains a largely rural and agricultural society, with centres of industry concentrated in the large port and industrial cities of the Great River delta. A significant north-south cultural, political and economic divide has also emerged with the advent of contact with the western colonies and the wider world. The northern polities were first to make contact with parties of adventurers and colonists from the west, and the conflict that ensued over land and resources has indelibly coloured their view of the world. The north has therefore been the bastion of the conservative hegemony that held sway in Cahokia for much of the last few centuries, only broken with the economic ascendancy of the forward-looking south.
Main nation on NS: The Widening Gyre
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): This thread.
Historical Background: The inheritor of a thousand years of civilization in the Great River Valley, the League sprawls across the heart of Turtle Island. The modern League finds its roots in the development of agriculture in the Great River Valley in the 3300's and the establishment of the first urban centres in the region, the largest of which was the holy city of Cahokia. The Cahokians and neighbouring city-states continued to grow in spite of nigh-constant intra-group conflict, but this constant churn of leadership and political fortune prevented any centralization of political or economic gravity. By the 3600's the population of the Great River Valley had grown such that traditional modes of agriculture were not sufficient to support the growing urban centres, and irrigation systems began to be developed in earnest.

The labour requirements of these irrigation systems cooled down the intra-tribal warfare that had dominated the early period of the Valley's existence and began to tie the regional polities together in trade and political-religious ties. Several regional leagues and confederations emerged between the 3600's and the end of the 39th century, and large wars broke out between these groups for control of the increasingly important trade along the Great River itself. During this period of organized conflict bronze and then iron metalworking was developed, with metals being traded for foodstuffs in the far north and east of the Great River system. Metal tools and the demands of more organized siegecraft lead to the widespread construction of stone walls and buildings as well, with the Great River acting as a major artery for the movement of material.

This period came to a crashing halt with the arrival of the occidentals on the western shores of Turtle Island, bringing with them smallpox and many other diseases. The ensuing wave of pandemic illnesses caused a major crash in the population of the valley, and the relative political unity of the region ended with the first parties of adventurers crossing the Rocky Mountains, where their guns and steel wreaked havoc on the northernmost confederations. This chaos reached a new peak in 4359 when a ship carrying occidental colonists disgorged themselves onto the delta of the Great River, seizing control of the land from the Atakapans and clearing it for the cultivation of indigo and sugar. The occidentals continued expanding in the decades to come, sending colonists and traders further up the river and using gunships to force treaties of 'friendship and trade' upon the cities they encountered. While the occidentals began exploiting the Great River in earnest however, the peoples of the valley were learning as well, and the northernmost polities began to construct their own guns, powder and ships capable of matching the occidental riverboats.

The Liberation War, as it's known in the annals of the League, began in 4391 with an ambush of a convoy of occidental ships in the upper reaches of the Great River by the general Mahaska, which obliterated the invaders with its overwhelming numbers and element of surprise. News of this victory spread throughout the valley and ignited a series of massacres and assaults upon occidental forts and populations in the cities as the various local confederations and city-states seized the moment and rose up against the occupiers. The resulting war was a long, drawn out and bloody affair that lead to the devastation of much of the valley, and eventually the costs of maintaining the war became too high for the occidentals, who sued for peace. The resulting Treaty of Cahokia, signed in 4412, lead to their relegation to a series of forts along the southern coast and a guarantee of independence on behalf of the peoples of the valley, but also required the indigenous peoples preferential trade treatment to the occidentals. The founding treaties of the League were signed in the same year, with the son of Mahaska raised up as the first paramount chief of the new Great River League. The first decades of the League were dominated by the conservative, traditionalist northerners that swept the country to independence, and little attention was paid to centralizing their new state or to events outside of the Valley. While the conservative hegemony held in the north and central parts of the country, the south of the country - where contact with the occidentals continued apace - advanced, soaking in the ideas and technologies the occidentals brought with them. An indigenous manufacturing base began developing around the city of Tulnun at the mouth of the Great River, and by 4462 the first railways were built connecting the cities of the south, with coal imported from the northern polities of the League driving the mills and foundries. Occidental investment was key during this period, as their expertise was vital for importing the successful modes of production employed so fruitfully in Asia and its older colonies. This period of industrialization culminated in the ascendancy of the so-called Tulnun clique at a key series of elections in 2521, ending a century of northern domination. The new clique has pursued a policy of aggressive industrial expansion in the previously-untouched central and northern polities, arguing that it was vital for the League's survival for it to take up the technologies and practices that made the occidentals so powerful. The clique has recently begun exploiting the bountiful oilfields of the Caddo in Tejas, leveraging global demand into massive investment into infrastructure and equipment for their small professional army. They do not have total control however, and northern reactionary sentiment grows by the year, driven by fanatical anti-occidental sentiment and religious revivalism in the face of the Sinic traditions taking hold in the large cities. The League seems to be at a breaking point, and storm clouds are gathering on the plains.
RP Samples (1-2): 1, 2

[Sabara]

-snip-

Love this concept. Accepted, but there will need to be a few issues worked out on Discord- primarily your borders, which might turn out a bit funky if we get other applicants in North America.

I also think Native Americans in this timeline will have access to horses, which could limit the death toll from smallpox and other diseases.

[Pimps Inc]

Tag

[Sabara]

Tag

aight

bumpity bump

[Shogunate of the Uzumaki Empire]

Reserve New Mexico please!

[Sabara]

Reserve New Mexico please!

maybe

[Tarabon]

Sorry, this is Hippie Kiwis

[Duestchstien]

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Grand Malay or Malayia
Population: 47.633 Million
GDP (nominal) per capita: 244.453 Billion USD, 5,132 USD Per Capita
Military manpower (active/reserve): 670 Thousand Active, 1.1 Million Reserve
Language(s): Malay and Tamil
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): https://imgur.com/a/TbOMS
Nation description: The nation of Grand Malay is one of posterity and scholarship. Where as other countries might focus more on brute strength, the Malaya focuses more on a quality aspect of things. Thus it has a higher reputation among the international market. It proved itself as a powerful nation fighting against Vietnam, and went on to prove how quickly it could repair itself and continue growth at an alarming rate. Grand Malay features a mainly jungle environment, common to most South East Asian countries. The Mountains in Sumatra prove a fitting spot for a mining boom as gold and silver discoveries become more common. Batam has a reputation as a relaxing getaway for the rich and has conformed to Korean Tourists providing cruise lines from Busan and Incheon. The nations main industries are Rubber, Rice, Meat, Shipping, Banking, and Gambling/Tourism. It sells most of its raw goods to more powerful countries to be manufactured, though that is possible to change in the future. The main arteries of the country are the Trans Summatra Rail Line, connecting the entire island to Medan, and the Trans Malay Line, connecting the entire peninsula to Phuket, Kuala Lumpur, and Singapore. Grand Malayans have a great reputation as good businessman but some also stereotype them as corrupt capitalists.
Main nation on NS: Duestchstien
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional):
National History Overview: Long ago the Kingdom of Majapahit controlled these lands. Soon Malay and Tiamil Islands would threaten control of the area. Vietnam, looking to control this important shipping route, decided to fund these rebellions which would eventually lead to the Kingdom of Malay and the Kingdom of Greater Singapore to be formed. These two kingdoms more commonly called the Twin Kingdoms were very close diplomatically and economically. Soon the Vietnamese had influenced both to a point that they would join Vietnam as Colonies. From 1690 onward the Vietnamese built a lot starting with modernized the Ports of Singapore and Medan which would become the main ports in the region. They banned gambling, though many gamblers escaped to the Batam Islands to continue the practice, and they built a road network. Soon Singapore became a good destination for businesses, which saw the low tariffs and taxes and used them to their advantage. The Vietnamese feared Singapore would become to powerful and rival Vietnam so they built up the port of Kuala Lumpur to rival Singapore, in turn many trade networks where formed with only brought the colony closer together.

The Vietnamese would go on to develop the Rubber and Rice industries, and later the Meat Industries, based out of Phuket. Looking to make the colony more efficient they would built a train network in the 1820s. Pharmaceuticals would rise to become a major industry in the 1830s. Following the 1830s a sentiment against the Vietnamese was built up that they weren’t made being treated as well as they should be. According to the movement they deserved more. This lead to a revolution in the 1840s which saw the destruction of the Rail System and lead to the battle of Kuala Dungun where the Vietnamese held out for a 62 Day Seige before being blockade at bombarded from all sides and then surrendering. The revolution ended on August 18, 1845 after a 6 year struggle. After independence they immediately got to work repairing the infrastructure and developing the nation again. Creating favorable business policies they were able to win many companies most notably the banks to Singapore and the Casinos to Batam, which became the 2nd fastest developing city after Singapore. The Pharmacuetical companies would move to Kuala Lumpur, the Farming and Rubber Companies would move to Medan and the Meat Companies would develop in Phuket.
RP Samples (1-2): viewtopic.php?p=33252942#p33252942
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=426159

[Kwadai]

Just stumbled across this thread last night. I used to have a nation in Tiandi but I never really did much with it and therefore forget about it. That said, I'd be interested in returning, whether that be through this nation or another (more than likely another) I don't know yet. Nation ideas that appeal most to me right now would be with Cantonese, or Taiwanese cultures.

[Daeseong]

Just stumbled across this thread last night. I used to have a nation in Tiandi but I never really did much with it and therefore forget about it. That said, I'd be interested in returning, whether that be through this nation or another (more than likely another) I don't know yet. Nation ideas that appeal most to me right now would be with Cantonese, or Taiwanese cultures.

If you chose to run a Cantonese nation, you would be an almost instant great power given your historical and current population capacity, location, and major cities.

[Duestchstien]

Is this in the modern day or 1800s?

[Daeseong]

Is this in the modern day or 1800s?

It is MT in what would be the 19th century be Gregorian counting.

Also, when you have finished your app, please do me a favor and make a post confirming you're done!

[Atrilan]

Hey Daeseong, long time no see. Tag.

[Rodez]

Because I thought it might be interesting if the world has a brutal civil war to deal with ala Syria.

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Volga
Population: 90,000,000
GDP (nominal) per capita: 83,200 RUB (ruble) or $6,500 real-life USD
Military manpower (active/reserve): The Armed Forces of the Volgan Republic can draw upon 600,000 active and 250,000 reserve personnel. In addition, about a million Volgans belong to some manner of paramilitary group, although these are sometimes ethno-religious in nature and do not always necessarily serve the interests of the state.
Language(s): Volgan, Ukrainian, Armenian, Georgian Tatar, Mongolian. The latter two especially are often used as border tongues when conducting business with foreigners, while Volgan serves as the national, everyday language. Ukrainian, Georgian and Armenian are preciously held languages of Volga's three largest Christian minorities, all of which vehemently resist efforts to integrate linguistically with the rest of the country.
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): The green blob you see around much of IRL Russia
Nation description: The Republic of Volga is a relatively recent construct, a de facto procedural democracy headed by strongman Rustam Yuldashev, who has ruled it for thirty years since the Mongols finally relinquished the last of the colonized Volgan states fifty years ago. Prior to Yuldashev, his political mentor Ğädel Sadykov was President. Volga is now a highly centralized state, with a large bureaucracy and a patron-client system linked closely to Yuldashev and his closest allies, who are essentially all-powerful. Mere lip-service is paid to regional autonomy, which has stirred quite a bit of anger amongst minorities. Even though Yuldashev's position is relatively secure given his control of the military, he has no clear successor, and his failing health has created a political powder-keg all across the country.

Irreligious/Confucian 45%, Orthodox Christian 41%, Sunni Islam 14%

Volgan 55% (split 30-25 between Turkic and Slavic Volgans, respectively), Ukrainian 27%, Tatar 10%, Georgian 5%, Armenian 3%

Main nation on NS: Rodez
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): via this thread
National History Overview: The Slavic principalities of the Kievan Rus were already weak and disunited when the Black Death swept across the plains of Eastern Europe like wildfire. In the span of a few years, the East Slavs not only suffered a 50%+ population loss, but were also buffeted by wave after wave of Tatar invasions. The technologically superior Turkic peoples found themselves conquerors of the vast majority of these principalities by the year 1400. They proceeded to set up a number of client states and exact brutal tribute from the already devastated Slavs.

However, much like the Slavs, the Tatar warlords failed to effectively unite, and soon found themselves chained to the whims of Mongol and Manchu merchants, who were able to effectively exploit their own technological prowess to make the entire Volga, Caucasus, and Ukraine regions subservient.

For the next two and a half centuries, East Slavdom was administered indirectly, through a patchwork series of protectorates, puppets and client states. On the one hand, very little of the Mongols' trans-Siberian trading revenue ever found its way to the subjugated Slavs. Poverty was a way of life, and rebellions against this state of affairs were put down ruthlessly.

On the other, their geographical position at the joining of Europe and Asia allowed the Slavs to gradually learn and adopt the technologies and ideologies of China. By the middle of the 18th century, the intellectual gap at least had been more or less closed. Slavic thinkers began to disseminate Pan-Slavism through decades of revolutionary writings. Rebellions and riots became progressively more ferocious.

Finally, in 1771, the levers of Mongol control collapsed utterly. Some Slavic states had already been relinquished by their colonial masters, and the most powerful of these - Volgograd, was ruled by Grand Prince Fyodor Lyagushkin, who initiated a grand campaign of unification and liberation. Lyagushkin's Twelve Years War succeeded in driving Mongol forces from Ukraine, the Caucasus and finally the Volga basin. The fighting was bitter and bloody, with atrocities committed by rebels and Mongol loyalists alike. Of particular note was the persecution of Georgians, who were ethnically cleansed from the Stavropol region in a campaign that saw 300,000 of them killed.

When the dust had settled, a collection of peoples who did not necessarily desire to live in a single state together were all united under the military prowess of Volgograd. Then in failing health, Lyagushkin established the Republic of Volga and all but ceded power to his Tatar Prime Minister Gadel Sadykov.

The Sadykov-Yuldashev regime of modern times has brought mixed results to Volga. For one, modernization schemes that included the building of highways, construction of nuclear reactors, and the repair of wartime damages have been immensely successful, restoring a large degree of stability and growth to the economy. Large agricultural yields at the end of Sadykov's time in power produced a baby boom and subsequently a youthful surge in the population.

But for those who do not consider themselves 'Volgan,' there is little to celebrate. Political repression and censorship are facts of everyday life. Minority journalists often find themselves arrested, beaten, tortured - sometimes killed. The state strongly discourages the Orthodox Christianity of the Ukrainians, Georgians, and Armenians, viewing the institution of the church as a threat to its power. Priests and others who become too vocal in their criticisms might find themselves disappeared to work camps in the Urals, where chances of survival are slim. Perhaps worst of all, these minorities shut out of all but the most local levels of government. A particularly stinging blow has been the regime's policy of rapprochement with the Mongolians, who historically have been the colonizers and main adversaries of the region. The inclusion of the Muslim Tatars (from which both Sadykov and Yuldashev hail from) has only bred further resentment amongst the Christians, who certainly find themselves living in a state they do not strongly identify with.
RP Samples (1-2): Tales of Two Horizons III

[Arumdaum]

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If you're interested in this RP, you should also consider checking out OG Tiandi! It's built on a similar concept, but doesn't use an Earth map.

[Arumdaum]

Because I thought it might be interesting if the world has a brutal civil war to deal with ala Syria.

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Volga
Population: 90,000,000
GDP (nominal) per capita: 83,200 RUB (ruble) or $12,500 real-life USD
Military manpower (active/reserve): The Armed Forces of the Volgan Republic can draw upon 600,000 active and 250,000 reserve personnel. In addition, about a million Volgans belong to some manner of paramilitary group, although these are sometimes ethno-religious in nature and do not always necessarily serve the interests of the state.
Language(s): Volgan, Ukrainian, Armenian, Georgian Tatar, Mongolian. The latter two especially are often used as border tongues when conducting business with foreigners, while Volgan serves as the national, everyday language. Ukrainian, Georgian and Armenian are preciously held languages of Volga's three largest Christian minorities, both of which vehemently resist efforts to integrate linguistically with the rest of the country.
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): blob:https://imgur.com/c4523853-32c0-461b-af0c-1abd19416e7a (The green blob you see around much of IRL Russia)
Nation description: The Republic of Volga is a relatively recent construct, a de facto procedural democracy headed by strongman Rustam Yuldashev, who has ruled it for thirty years since the Mongols finally relinquished the last of the colonized Volgan states fifty years ago. Prior to Yuldashev, his political mentor Ğädel Sadykov was President. Volga is now a highly centralized state, with a large bureaucracy and a patron-client system linked closely to Yuldashev and his closest allies, who are essentially all-powerful. Mere lip-service is paid to regional autonomy, which has stirred quite a bit of anger amongst minorities. Even though Yuldashev's position is relatively secure given his control of the military, he has no clear successor, and his failing health has created a political powder-keg all across the country.

Irreligious/Confucian 45%, Orthodox Christian 41%, Sunni Islam 14%

Volgan 55% (split 30-25 between Turkic and Slavic Volgans, respectively), Ukrainian 27%, Tatar 10%, Georgian 5%, Armenian 3%

Main nation on NS: Rodez
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): via this thread
National History Overview: The Slavic principalities of the Kievan Rus were already weak and disunited when the Black Death swept across the plains of Eastern Europe like wildfire. In the span of a few years, the East Slavs not only suffered a 50%+ population loss, but were also buffeted by wave after wave of Tatar invasions. The technologically superior Turkic peoples found themselves conquerors of the vast majority of these principalities by the year 1400. They proceeded to set up a number of client states and exact brutal tribute from the already devastated Slavs.

However, much like the Slavs, the Tatar warlords failed to effectively unite, and soon found themselves chained to the whims of Mongol and Manchu merchants, who were able to effectively exploit their own technological prowess to make the entire Volga, Caucasus, and Ukraine regions subservient.

For the next two and a half centuries, East Slavdom was administered indirectly, through a patchwork series of protectorates, puppets and client states. On the one hand, very little of the Mongols' trans-Siberian trading revenue ever found its way to the subjugated Slavs. Poverty was a way of life, and rebellions against this state of affairs were put down ruthlessly.

On the other, their geographical position at the joining of Europe and Asia allowed the Slavs to gradually learn and adopt the technologies and ideologies of China. By the middle of the 18th century, the intellectual gap at least had been more or less closed. Slavic thinkers began to disseminate Pan-Slavism through decades of revolutionary writings. Rebellions and riots became progressively more ferocious.

Finally, in 1771, the levers of Mongol control collapsed utterly. Some Slavic states had already been relinquished by their colonial masters, and the most powerful of these - Volgograd, was ruled by Grand Prince Fyodor Lyagushkin, who initiated a grand campaign of unification and liberation. Lyagushkin's Twelve Years War succeeded in driving Mongol forces from Ukraine, the Caucasus and finally the Volga basin. The fighting was bitter and bloody, with atrocities committed by rebels and Mongol loyalists alike. Of particular note was the persecution of Georgians, who were ethnically cleansed from the Stavropol region in a campaign that saw 300,000 of them killed.

When the dust had settled, a collection of peoples who did not necessarily desire to live in a single state together were all united under the military prowess of Volgograd. Then in failing health, Lyagushkin established the Republic of Volga and all but ceded power to his Tatar Prime Minister Gadel Sadykov.

The Sadykov-Yuldashev regime of modern times has brought mixed results to Volga. For one, modernization schemes that included the building of highways, construction of nuclear reactors, and the repair of wartime damages have been immensely successful, restoring a large degree of stability and growth to the economy. Large agricultural yields at the end of Sadykov's time in power produced a baby boom and subsequently a youthful surge in the population.

But for those who do not consider themselves 'Volgan,' there is little to celebrate. Political repression and censorship are facts of everyday life. Minority journalists often find themselves arrested, beaten, tortured - sometimes killed. The state strongly discourages the Orthodox Christianity of the Ukrainians, Georgians, and Armenians, viewing the institution of the church as a threat to its power. Priests and others who become too vocal in their criticisms might find themselves disappeared to work camps in the Urals, where chances of survival are slim. Perhaps worst of all, these minorities shut out of all but the most local levels of government. A particularly stinging blow has been the regime's policy of rapprochement with the Mongolians, who historically have been the colonizers and main adversaries of the region. The inclusion of the Muslim Tatars (from which both Sadykov and Yuldashev hail from) has only bred further resentment amongst the Christians, who certainly find themselves living in a state they do not strongly identify with.
RP Samples (1-2): Tales of Two Horizons III

Can you repost the map? Can't see it with that link...

[Plzen]

Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): blob:https://imgur.com/c4523853-32c0-461b-af0c-1abd19416e7a (The green blob you see around much of IRL Russia)

The link doesn't seem to work? Also, hello, Rodez! Good to see you here - join us in the discord!

I'm not a moderator here or anything, but this looks very interesting. Rising great power Iran will have someone in his backyard to bully now, I suppose. If you do have intentions of devolving into civil war, the ripple effects could be sweeping...

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OP team, have you considered advertising this roleplay in the P2TM RP Advertisements Thread? This is a fascinating concept that I'd love to see made bigger, and advertisements may draw in players.

[Duestchstien]

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Grand Malay or Malayia
Population: 47.633 Million
GDP (nominal) per capita: 244.453 Billion USD, 5,132 USD Per Capita
Military manpower (active/reserve): 670 Thousand Active, 1.1 Million Reserve
Language(s): Malay and Tamil
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): https://imgur.com/a/TbOMS
Nation description: The nation of Grand Malay is one of posterity and scholarship. Where as other countries might focus more on brute strength, the Malaya focuses more on a quality aspect of things. Thus it has a higher reputation among the international market. It proved itself as a powerful nation fighting against Vietnam, and went on to prove how quickly it could repair itself and continue growth at an alarming rate. Grand Malay features a mainly jungle environment, common to most South East Asian countries. The Mountains in Sumatra prove a fitting spot for a mining boom as gold and silver discoveries become more common. Batam has a reputation as a relaxing getaway for the rich and has conformed to Korean Tourists providing cruise lines from Busan and Incheon. The nations main industries are Rubber, Rice, Meat, Shipping, Banking, and Gambling/Tourism. It sells most of its raw goods to more powerful countries to be manufactured, though that is possible to change in the future. The main arteries of the country are the Trans Summatra Rail Line, connecting the entire island to Medan, and the Trans Malay Line, connecting the entire peninsula to Phuket, Kuala Lumpur, and Singapore. Grand Malayans have a great reputation as good businessman but some also stereotype them as corrupt capitalists.
Main nation on NS: Duestchstien
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional):
National History Overview: Long ago the Kingdom of Majapahit controlled these lands. Soon Malay and Tiamil Islands would threaten control of the area. Vietnam, looking to control this important shipping route, decided to fund these rebellions which would eventually lead to the Kingdom of Malay and the Kingdom of Greater Singapore to be formed. These two kingdoms more commonly called the Twin Kingdoms were very close diplomatically and economically. Soon the Vietnamese had influenced both to a point that they would join Vietnam as Colonies. From 1690 onward the Vietnamese built a lot starting with modernized the Ports of Singapore and Medan which would become the main ports in the region. They banned gambling, though many gamblers escaped to the Batam Islands to continue the practice, and they built a road network. Soon Singapore became a good destination for businesses, which saw the low tariffs and taxes and used them to their advantage. The Vietnamese feared Singapore would become to powerful and rival Vietnam so they built up the port of Kuala Lumpur to rival Singapore, in turn many trade networks where formed with only brought the colony closer together.

The Vietnamese would go on to develop the Rubber and Rice industries, and later the Meat Industries, based out of Phuket. Looking to make the colony more efficient they would built a train network in the 1820s. Pharmaceuticals would rise to become a major industry in the 1830s. Following the 1830s a sentiment against the Vietnamese was built up that they weren’t made being treated as well as they should be. According to the movement they deserved more. This lead to a revolution in the 1840s which saw the destruction of the Rail System and lead to the battle of Kuala Dungun where the Vietnamese held out for a 62 Day Seige before being blockade at bombarded from all sides and then surrendering. The revolution ended on August 18, 1845 after a 6 year struggle. After independence they immediately got to work repairing the infrastructure and developing the nation again. Creating favorable business policies they were able to win many companies most notably the banks to Singapore and the Casinos to Batam, which became the 2nd fastest developing city after Singapore. The Pharmacuetical companies would move to Kuala Lumpur, the Farming and Rubber Companies would move to Medan and the Meat Companies would develop in Phuket.
RP Samples (1-2): viewtopic.php?p=33252942#p33252942
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=426159

El Fin

[Rodez]

Can you repost the map? Can't see it with that link...

Try it now, it should be fixed. Sorry about that.

Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): blob:https://imgur.com/c4523853-32c0-461b-af0c-1abd19416e7a (The green blob you see around much of IRL Russia)

The link doesn't seem to work? Also, hello, Rodez! Good to see you here - join us in the discord!

I'm not a moderator here or anything, but this looks very interesting. Rising great power Iran will have someone in his backyard to bully now, I suppose. If you do have intentions of devolving into civil war, the ripple effects could be sweeping...

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OP team, have you considered advertising this roleplay in the P2TM RP Advertisements Thread? This is a fascinating concept that I'd love to see made bigger, and advertisements may draw in players.

Hi there Plzen.

Yeah, I figured that with all the invasions, it probably wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to have a homogeneous country in Russia, although I do later plan on carving a Greater Ukraine-Caucasus state out of the remnants. The civil war is going to be very, very ugly though.