Tiandi 天地 Alternate History || Discussion || OOC || Open

by **Free Arctic Territories** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:35 am

Swiggity swag, time for the tag

Claiming available Plains/SW Mando lands please

by **Daeseong** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:52 pm

Rodez wrote:Because I thought it might be interesting if the world has a brutal civil war to deal with ala Syria.

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Volga
Population: 90,000,000
GDP (nominal) per capita: 83,200 RUB (ruble) or $12,500 real-life USD
Military manpower (active/reserve): The Armed Forces of the Volgan Republic can draw upon 600,000 active and 250,000 reserve personnel. In addition, about a million Volgans belong to some manner of paramilitary group, although these are sometimes ethno-religious in nature and do not always necessarily serve the interests of the state.
Language(s): Volgan, Ukrainian, Armenian, Georgian Tatar, Mongolian. The latter two especially are often used as border tongues when conducting business with foreigners, while Volgan serves as the national, everyday language. Ukrainian, Georgian and Armenian are preciously held languages of Volga's three largest Christian minorities, all of which vehemently resist efforts to integrate linguistically with the rest of the country.
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): The green blob you see around much of IRL Russia
Nation description: The Republic of Volga is a relatively recent construct, a de facto procedural democracy headed by strongman Rustam Yuldashev, who has ruled it for thirty years since the Mongols finally relinquished the last of the colonized Volgan states fifty years ago. Prior to Yuldashev, his political mentor Ğädel Sadykov was President. Volga is now a highly centralized state, with a large bureaucracy and a patron-client system linked closely to Yuldashev and his closest allies, who are essentially all-powerful. Mere lip-service is paid to regional autonomy, which has stirred quite a bit of anger amongst minorities. Even though Yuldashev's position is relatively secure given his control of the military, he has no clear successor, and his failing health has created a political powder-keg all across the country.

Irreligious/Confucian 45%, Orthodox Christian 41%, Sunni Islam 14%

Volgan 55% (split 30-25 between Turkic and Slavic Volgans, respectively), Ukrainian 27%, Tatar 10%, Georgian 5%, Armenian 3%

Main nation on NS: Rodez
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): via this thread
National History Overview: The Slavic principalities of the Kievan Rus were already weak and disunited when the Black Death swept across the plains of Eastern Europe like wildfire. In the span of a few years, the East Slavs not only suffered a 50%+ population loss, but were also buffeted by wave after wave of Tatar invasions. The technologically superior Turkic peoples found themselves conquerors of the vast majority of these principalities by the year 1400. They proceeded to set up a number of client states and exact brutal tribute from the already devastated Slavs.

However, much like the Slavs, the Tatar warlords failed to effectively unite, and soon found themselves chained to the whims of Mongol and Manchu merchants, who were able to effectively exploit their own technological prowess to make the entire Volga, Caucasus, and Ukraine regions subservient.

For the next two and a half centuries, East Slavdom was administered indirectly, through a patchwork series of protectorates, puppets and client states. On the one hand, very little of the Mongols' trans-Siberian trading revenue ever found its way to the subjugated Slavs. Poverty was a way of life, and rebellions against this state of affairs were put down ruthlessly.

On the other, their geographical position at the joining of Europe and Asia allowed the Slavs to gradually learn and adopt the technologies and ideologies of China. By the middle of the 18th century, the intellectual gap at least had been more or less closed. Slavic thinkers began to disseminate Pan-Slavism through decades of revolutionary writings. Rebellions and riots became progressively more ferocious.

Finally, in 1771, the levers of Mongol control collapsed utterly. Some Slavic states had already been relinquished by their colonial masters, and the most powerful of these - Volgograd, was ruled by Grand Prince Fyodor Lyagushkin, who initiated a grand campaign of unification and liberation. Lyagushkin's Twelve Years War succeeded in driving Mongol forces from Ukraine, the Caucasus and finally the Volga basin. The fighting was bitter and bloody, with atrocities committed by rebels and Mongol loyalists alike. Of particular note was the persecution of Georgians, who were ethnically cleansed from the Stavropol region in a campaign that saw 300,000 of them killed.

When the dust had settled, a collection of peoples who did not necessarily desire to live in a single state together were all united under the military prowess of Volgograd. Then in failing health, Lyagushkin established the Republic of Volga and all but ceded power to his Tatar Prime Minister Gadel Sadykov.

The Sadykov-Yuldashev regime of modern times has brought mixed results to Volga. For one, modernization schemes that included the building of highways, construction of nuclear reactors, and the repair of wartime damages have been immensely successful, restoring a large degree of stability and growth to the economy. Large agricultural yields at the end of Sadykov's time in power produced a baby boom and subsequently a youthful surge in the population.

But for those who do not consider themselves 'Volgan,' there is little to celebrate. Political repression and censorship are facts of everyday life. Minority journalists often find themselves arrested, beaten, tortured - sometimes killed. The state strongly discourages the Orthodox Christianity of the Ukrainians, Georgians, and Armenians, viewing the institution of the church as a threat to its power. Priests and others who become too vocal in their criticisms might find themselves disappeared to work camps in the Urals, where chances of survival are slim. Perhaps worst of all, these minorities shut out of all but the most local levels of government. A particularly stinging blow has been the regime's policy of rapprochement with the Mongolians, who historically have been the colonizers and main adversaries of the region. The inclusion of the Muslim Tatars (from which both Sadykov and Yuldashev hail from) has only bred further resentment amongst the Christians, who certainly find themselves living in a state they do not strongly identify with.
RP Samples (1-2): Tales of Two Horizons III

Excellent App, ACCEPTED

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Shortform name: Grand Malay or Malayia
Population: 47.633 Million
GDP (nominal) per capita: 244.453 Billion USD, 5,132 USD Per Capita
Military manpower (active/reserve): 670 Thousand Active, 1.1 Million Reserve
Language(s): Malay and Tamil
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): https://imgur.com/a/TbOMS
Nation description: The nation of Grand Malay is one of posterity and scholarship. Where as other countries might focus more on brute strength, the Malaya focuses more on a quality aspect of things. Thus it has a higher reputation among the international market. It proved itself as a powerful nation fighting against Vietnam, and went on to prove how quickly it could repair itself and continue growth at an alarming rate. Grand Malay features a mainly jungle environment, common to most South East Asian countries. The Mountains in Sumatra prove a fitting spot for a mining boom as gold and silver discoveries become more common. Batam has a reputation as a relaxing getaway for the rich and has conformed to Korean Tourists providing cruise lines from Busan and Incheon. The nations main industries are Rubber, Rice, Meat, Shipping, Banking, and Gambling/Tourism. It sells most of its raw goods to more powerful countries to be manufactured, though that is possible to change in the future. The main arteries of the country are the Trans Summatra Rail Line, connecting the entire island to Medan, and the Trans Malay Line, connecting the entire peninsula to Phuket, Kuala Lumpur, and Singapore. Grand Malayans have a great reputation as good businessman but some also stereotype them as corrupt capitalists.
Main nation on NS: Duestchstien
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional):
National History Overview: Long ago the Kingdom of Majapahit controlled these lands. Soon Malay and Tiamil Islands would threaten control of the area. Vietnam, looking to control this important shipping route, decided to fund these rebellions which would eventually lead to the Kingdom of Malay and the Kingdom of Greater Singapore to be formed. These two kingdoms more commonly called the Twin Kingdoms were very close diplomatically and economically. Soon the Vietnamese had influenced both to a point that they would join Vietnam as Colonies. From 1690 onward the Vietnamese built a lot starting with modernized the Ports of Singapore and Medan which would become the main ports in the region. They banned gambling, though many gamblers escaped to the Batam Islands to continue the practice, and they built a road network. Soon Singapore became a good destination for businesses, which saw the low tariffs and taxes and used them to their advantage. The Vietnamese feared Singapore would become to powerful and rival Vietnam so they built up the port of Kuala Lumpur to rival Singapore, in turn many trade networks where formed with only brought the colony closer together.

The Vietnamese would go on to develop the Rubber and Rice industries, and later the Meat Industries, based out of Phuket. Looking to make the colony more efficient they would built a train network in the 1820s. Pharmaceuticals would rise to become a major industry in the 1830s. Following the 1830s a sentiment against the Vietnamese was built up that they weren’t made being treated as well as they should be. According to the movement they deserved more. This lead to a revolution in the 1840s which saw the destruction of the Rail System and lead to the battle of Kuala Dungun where the Vietnamese held out for a 62 Day Seige before being blockade at bombarded from all sides and then surrendering. The revolution ended on August 18, 1845 after a 6 year struggle. After independence they immediately got to work repairing the infrastructure and developing the nation again. Creating favorable business policies they were able to win many companies most notably the banks to Singapore and the Casinos to Batam, which became the 2nd fastest developing city after Singapore. The Pharmacuetical companies would move to Kuala Lumpur, the Farming and Rubber Companies would move to Medan and the Meat Companies would develop in Phuket.
RP Samples (1-2): viewtopic.php?p=33252942#p33252942
viewtopic.php?f=31&t=426159

El Fin

Also quite excellent. Accepted as well!

by **Saunrea** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:13 pm

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Tibet
Population: 21,000,000 in the 'Imperial Heartland', 50,000,000 in various vassals
GDP (nominal) per capita: $15,000
Military manpower (active/reserve): 1,000,000 active, 2,000,000 reserve
Language(s): Tibetan
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): here
Nation description: The Great and Universal Tibetan Empire is the 2nd unified Tibetan state, rising from the tribes of the Plateau deciding to forge again Songtsen Gampo's legacy with their Great Imperial Restoration in 1562 which re-established the imperial throne and centralized absolute authority under the Emperor. Since its establishment Tibet has gradually attempted to exert and expand its power, establishing vassaldom of the Bengalese states and expanding north and east towards the Chinese regions. However, the inhospitable terrain of Tibet and a religious proscription of extracting its own mountains for resources has constantly been a challenge towards Tibet's inauguration of an economy of a true great power, and strong suspicion of Sinic mercantile culture has made Tibetans more in favor of conquering to extract resources to achieve self-sufficiency. Motivated by this is a strongly supported movement of expansionism and xenophobia, especially hostility towards western Chinese states deemed as a long-term objective of conquest.

Tibet socially and politically remains a strongly feudal, authoritarian, divided and pillarized society; it is also highly militarized. Power struggles between moderates and hardliner expansionists are rife currently. Its economy is based on tourism and manufacturing, though a religious ban on pollutive economic activities in the Heartland has led most industry being located on border regions or in Bengal.
Main nation on NS: None
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): In here before, some guy notified me this fresh meme popped up
National History Overview: the empire was established in 1562 as the tribes unite to deter foreign imperialism, gradual rise, Bengal established as vassal in 1709, some wars with everyone else in between, current emperor inaugurated in 1824, going to work out others more later
RP Samples (1-2): OPs know me

by **Woodstovia** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:49 pm

I have a question - would Western countries attempt to imitate Asian culture? I don't mean like a Meiji style European country but rather like how kings in the OTL tried to claim to be the Roman Empire (even Russia) and spoke French etc. Would kings in the European states speak Chinese or use their customs?

by **Plzen** » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:17 pm

by **Vyzhva** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:00 am

Withdrawn.

by **Camelone** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:34 pm

Don't know if Great Britain was taken yet but if not can I reserve it for a Puritan theocracy based around the Celtic culture? That work in this setting?

by **Union Princes** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:46 pm

Is the Holy Roman Empire gone at this year of 1836? or is the borders of the HRE still the same as it was 800 years ago? (As in 1066 borders)

Also, as for a European Meiji restoration; if the Britain is like China in OTL, then it would make sense that it would be France that Meiji's due to the historical rivalries.

by **Arumdaum** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:03 pm

Union Princes wrote:Is the Holy Roman Empire gone at this year of 1836? or is the borders of the HRE still the same as it was 800 years ago? (As in 1066 borders)

Also, as for a European Meiji restoration; if the Britain is like China in OTL, then it would make sense that it would be France that Meiji's due to the historical rivalries.

Britain isn’t equivalent to China—OP was just making a reference to the First Opium War!

by **Hippie Kiwis** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:12 pm

Sorry I haven't been able to apply, my country was temporarily deleted.

by **Camelone** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 3:58 pm

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Britannia (Pious Commonwealth of Britannia)
Population: 42,760,500
GDP (nominal) per capita: $4,876
Military manpower (active/reserve): Active 641,400; reserve 2,250,000; militia 2,000,000
Language(s): Anglo (modern English never arose due to the failure of the Norman Invasion)
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): Great Britain and Ireland
Nation description: The Pious Commonwealth of Britannia is a unitary state that is made to transform Britannia into a fully militarized society with the cross in one hand and a rifle in the other hand. The national government is a bicameral legislature with the Technical Assembly making up the lower house which is a conglomeration of influential corporations, trade unions, and professional associations that primarily deal with the economy while the upper house is the Synod where the Bishops and the Lord Legates sit, the Lord Legates being the elected military governors of the dioceses. The nation is led by the Lord Protector who is heads the Privy Council, appointed by the Technical Assembly, and the Lord Protector is elected by the Synod from among the retired Lord Legates of 50 years or older and have a term of 10 years. To be a citizen one must be a practicing Christian of the Briton Church, think High Anglican, and must serve in the New Model Army for 5 years or have been married or is married to a citizen, and only citizens are allowed to run for office or vote in elections, exceptions are made for certain industries in the Technical Assembly. Christianity is a major pillar in the Pious Commonwealth and the promotion of the Church and its values are seen as paramount to preserve Christian society there is widespread censorship and suppression of dissenting views. Tensions are currently running high with Scandinavia as Britannia desires to acquire more North Sea islands to acquire more oil and gas fields to help prop up their economy.
Main nation on NS: Camelone
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): Stumbled upon it
National History Overview: King Harold the Shield is able to defeat the forces of the Norman invader William the Bastard in the Battle of Hastings and establish the royal authority of his kingship over England securing the power of the Anglo-Saxons till they were conquered by the Asian imperial powers. The Witenagemot remains one of the most powerful institutions within the Kingdom halting the growth of royal authority though the expansion of English power continues across the British Isles with war after war bringing various lords into the English fold and diplomacy when the sword does not work. Till the late 1400's the feudal patchwork of Britannia was in an almost constant state of internal warfare with a king struggling to take control of the situation, King Edgar the Mad, who begins a massive campaign to pacify the country with the aid of Asian allies in exchange for exclusive trade rights and granting of royal monopolies to any Asian trading company. King Edgar the Mad attempts to Sinonize Britannia bringing in more foreigners and granting them high positions and prestige within his court as he reformed his government in the form of Confucian and Buddhist teachings expelling those who protested and immersing himself in the new way of life.

By 1532 King Edgar the Mad had centralized the state of Britannia with an iron fist and had promoted the foreigners to such a position that they had pushed the remaining nobility and the Christian clergy out of the Witenagemot. The country was rife with corruption and exploitation as the king only cared to go further into his delusions, reading any text he could get his hands on that pertained to Buddhism or Confucianism. The straw that broke the camel's back though came in 1538, when the old king was 68, and he assembled the last remaining influential nobles of the realm and declared himself to be the son of Heaven itself claiming a Mandate of Heaven to rule, he tore down the cross in Westminster Abbey and threw the tabernacle on the ground to replace it with a statue of Buddha. King Edgar told them to kneel before him and to submit to the new order, to the future, to step on the pieces of the cross and renounce their old faith for the one of the foreigners or else be executed. Many nobles submitted to the demands of the king but 15 refused and were taken away to later be burned at the stake for treason and blasphemy against the king, they would come to be known as the 15 Holy Martyrs and they would be what lit the rebellion that through England into civil war.

The Rebellion of the Cross would last 9 long years as Christians flocked to the banner of the Cross to fight the tyranny and blasphemy of King Edgar led by a charismatic lower noble named Ealhhere Godwinson, descendant of King Harold the Shield, they waged war outgunned, outnumbered, and without proper training with only the Bible and the Word of Christ giving them hope in the struggle. Gradually Ealhhere reformed his ragtag rebel army into a professional force he dubbed the New Model Army that could stand toe to toe with King Edgar's forces. Ealhhere and his New Model Army was victorious over the forces of King Edgar and he put the Mad King to the sword as well as any foreign adviser he could lay his hands on, restoring the cross and tabernacle to Westminster Abbey where he would be crowned King Ealhhere the Liberator at the age of 38. Fearful of foreign retaliation King Ealhhere set about fortifying his kingdom and attempting to start laying the foundations for an industrial base in the devastated lands of Britannia and he was right [foreign power] came to avenge the deaths of their citizens only 18 years later and they would come with great power and great weaponry. For 7 years King Ealhhere led a valiant defense of Britannia, for no one can say he did not fight hard, but it was not enough to stave off defeat the New Model Army could not match the might of [foreign power's] forces and the noble king would meet his end on the field of battle with bullets in his chest. His recorded last words were "I pray I rest beside valiant Arthur in the calm lands of Avalon in the sight of God our Father so that my fight will not be over but postponed. Alas I feel life fading from me and my blade was not enough to protect Britannia and now I die by both bullets and a shattered heart. Lord forgive me and protect beautiful Britannia." So afterwards the rest of Britannia would surrender to [foreign power] marking the beginning of the colonial period in 1572.

From 1572 to 1783 Britannia would be a part of the colonial dominion of [foreign power] with a constant clamoring for independence making the area hard to govern effectively. The Christian Church was sent underground as [foreign power] saw it as a potential agent of unrest causing the Church in Britannia to form a unique character that was used to persecution so from 1698 to 1730 there was no public Christian worship allowed, unless it was through the state sponsored Church which was heavily monitored and censored by the colonial powerholders. Christians were not allowed to hold public office, celebrate their holidays in public, were barred from entering higher education, and were forbidden from learning non-Briton writing systems. This led to a stratification of society where the upper class became increasingly Confucianist and Buddhist while the lower classes were Christians with a mix in the middle class. These bans would be lifted in 1765 in the hopes of calming the Briton people. In 1750 a rebel group formed calling itself the Knights of the Pendragon and began a protracted guerrilla war with the colonial powers alongside the Briton Communist Party and the Briton Liberation Front which would culminate with independence being achieved in 1783.

The celebration of independence was shortlived though as the country immediately became embroiled in a three way civil war between the KP, the BCP, and the BLF. By 1794 the Knights of the Pendragon emerged victorious and established the Pious Commonwealth of Britannia, a militarized theocratic republic that has since its founding been building up its military and industrial base to protect their islands from another invasion and to serve as a City on the Hill for Christian civilization, an alternative to the Sino-centric world they find themselves in. With Christ in their hearts and a gun in hand the citizens of the Britannia seek to claim their rightful destiny in the world, to be the center for a Christian civilization that will last till the Second Coming of Christ.
RP Samples (1-2): https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=434500&p=33327006#p33327006
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=436166

by **Budraria** » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:31 pm

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Yue(越國)/Canton(廣州)/Grand Canto Republic(赫廣東民國)
Population: 146,930,000
GDP (nominal) per capita: $53,872
Military manpower (active/reserve): 300,000 / 400,000
Language(s): Cantonese, Hakka(Minority), Xiang(Minority)
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): http://i.imgur.com/ySwv5Cl.png - Mainland Yue, Comoros, British Overseas Territory, Samoa
Nation description: The Grand Canto Republic, shortened as either Yue or Canton, is a unitary, parliamentary republic centralized around the Pearl River Delta. Once controlling a massive colonial empire, containing areas of Western North America, Southeastern Australia, Eastern Africa, Southern India, Southwestern Europe, and other random island colonies, Yue now only consists of its mainland territory and a few indo pacific islands. However, the republic has continued to be influential across the world both culturally, economically, and politically.
Main nation on NS: Budraria(This One)
How did you find out about Tiandi?: P2TM Advertisement Thread
National History Overview: Years of conflict and military innovation in Southern China gave the ability for the Yue to look abroad for greater sources of power. In the resulting years they built a vast empire, with specific focus on their colony in California, centered in San Francisco. It was also during this period that the kingdom would see their population skyrocket, leading to migration from the mainland to far off colonial holdings. With this population; however, came differing opinions and calls for liberalization, and eventually the aging monarch capitulated, establishing Yue’s modern day parliamentary government. It was this liberalization that would end up spelling the end of the colonial empire, as the liberal legislature allowed territories to hold independence referendums. This didn’t stop Yue though as it continues to be a heavily influential world power.
RP Samples (1-2):
A Continent Divided: 2017

by **Plzen** » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:45 am

Canton! Hurrah! We have our great power of the era.

I need a colonial power to have once called Denmark-Norway a colonial protectorate for my history. Play that role?

Historical ties are always useful, eh?

by **Union Princes** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:40 am

Is the Territory of Hong Kong taken? I would like to try a merchant city like Venice.

by **Plzen** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:42 am

Union Princes wrote:Is the Territory of Hong Kong taken? I would like to try a merchant city like Venice.

Pretty sure the region has been claimed under Canton, two posts above yours.

by **Budraria** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:20 pm

Union Princes wrote:Is the Territory of Hong Kong taken? I would like to try a merchant city like Venice.

Yep. Unfortunately, I claimed it (if I get accepted). Perhaps you could do one in Africa(Dar Es Salaam, Mogadishu, Zanzibar, etc.) or India(Goa, Mumbai, etc.) it seems that they might've been pretty Sinicized based on the alternated historical context. Or perhaps maybe Hainan, it might have developed differently in the OTL.

Also, Plzen that's fine with me.

by **The Knockout Gun Gals** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:11 pm

Hmm, planning to do either a strong Islamic African empire, an Ottoman-like empire (Islamic, smaller-scale) or Japanese nation.

Which one do you recommend? The Japanese nation would probably absolute monarchy or democratic.

by **Strala** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:12 pm

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:Hmm, planning to do either a strong Islamic African empire, an Ottoman-like empire (Islamic, smaller-scale) or Japanese nation.

Which one do you recommend? The Japanese nation would probably absolute monarchy or democratic.

Join me in Asia

by **The Knockout Gun Gals** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:22 pm

Strala wrote:
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:Hmm, planning to do either a strong Islamic African empire, an Ottoman-like empire (Islamic, smaller-scale) or Japanese nation.

Which one do you recommend? The Japanese nation would probably absolute monarchy or democratic.

Join me in Asia

Maybe as one of the Japanese.

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Satsuma Dominion
Population: 30,200,000
GDP (nominal) per capita:
Military manpower (active/reserve):
Language(s): Japanese, Mandarin
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): Kyushu, Shikoku, and Chugoku
Nation description: An agricultural and marine-based nation, with economy focus on both agriculture and sea. Its military is more known on the strength of its navy, while a council of lords rule the Dominion.
Main nation on NS: The Knockout Gun Gals
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): I previously...joined an RP not with this account, but with the first account of mine.
National History Overview:
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by **New Kvenland** » Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:57 pm

Hey y'all! I'm not sure if the other OPs will have the time to accept anyone between now and tomorrow, but in case they don't, I (your humble cartographer) will try to either accept or reject everyone by midnight tomorrow.

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Đại Việt /// 大越
Population: 82,853,281
GDP (nominal) per capita: $32,182
Military manpower (active/reserve): 320,000 /// 370,000
Language(s): Vietnamese
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): Vietnam at the end of the 18th century, as seen here
Nation description: Contrary to our timeline, the Trần dynasty never fell; rather, the kingdom stabilized over the centuries and slowly transitioned into the liberal constitutional democracy it is today. Today, it's a modern, developed republic, dominated by the sprawling metropolises of Hà Nội, Sài Gòn, and Huế dotting the coast, contrasted with the dominating mountains and deep tropical forests of the rural areas. It still maintains its status as one of the most powerful nations in Southeast Asia, with its closest similarity (and eternal rival), Grand Malay, being the only nearby nation able to answer its might; this is supplanted by a very strong, very funded military, with an increasing number of Đại Việt citizens describing it as bloated and inefficient. Unlike its more technically-oriented southeastern neighbor, though, the Đại Việt economy is still very much driven by its agricultural strength: paddy rice is still the most lucrative industry in the nation, followed closely by things like coffee and rubber. The culture of Đại Việt is most influenced by its neighbors to the north, as the kings from centuries past tried to fuse Đạiviệtese culture with Zhuang and Cantonese cultures; this was met with limited success, but their influence on the republic is nonetheless still present.
Main nation on NS: New Kvenland
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): it was my punishment for getting the sphynx's riddle wrong
Historical Background: After the fall of the Tang Dynasty, Ngô Quyền established the first independent kingdom in what is now Đại Việt. This dynasty collapsed shortly thereafter, and after a series of various unstable dynasties following it, the Trần took power, and remain in power to this day. Their reign was dominated by peace and prosperity for the better part of four centuries, during which the kingdom expanded south. During this time, Đại Việt joined their northern neighbors in their imperialist quests, coming to dominate much of Southeastern Asia, particularly Kampuchea and Grand Malay. During the 1700s, however, the kingdom began to gradually lose power, losing a series of wars to its neighbors and former colonies, and its borders retreated to the eastern coast of the Indochinese Peninsula. Since then, a peaceful revolution led to the establishment of a liberal democracy, it being one of the last nations in Asia to become one; and it granted most of its colonies independence, save some far-flung, nearly-unpopulated islands.
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by **Plzen** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:25 am

Budraria wrote:Also, Plzen that's fine with me.

Perfect! That will do nicely. Now relations between the former colonial power and the former colony can sometimes be troubled at times...

Here be the applied-for countries to date, sorted by nominal GDP.

Han - 5,780 bn$ (140.1m pop.)
Simguk - 5,211 bn$ (101.4m pop.)
Joseon - 4,620 bn$ (110m pop.)
Lisong - 3,067 bn$ (63.4m pop.)
~~ cutoff for great power status somewhere here?
Iran - 1,890 bn$ (210m pop.)
Pancasila - 1,349 bn$ (140m pop.)
Volga - 1,125 bn$ (90m pop.)
Jizhou - 812 bn$ (26m pop.)
Great River League - 588 bn$ (41.2m pop.)
Scandinavia - 354 bn$ (47.3m pop.)
Grand Malay - 244 bn$ (47.6m pop.)
Hawai'i - 64 bn$ (2.61m pop.)

by **Lunas Legion** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 8:53 am

So, since I've got many ideas, I'll just outline a few here for people to have a look at:

1) Fujiwara-run bureaucratic state or Ikko-Ikki quasi-theocracy in Northern Japan, with the southern border either being on the southern edges of the IRL Ishikawa/Gifu/Aichi or Nigata/Nagano/Yamanashi/Kanagawa Prefectures.
2) HRE that suffered a fate similar to that of Imperial China IRL but worse; partitioned up between various Asian powers with the various electors and vassals, although de jure vassals of the Emperor, de facto colonial subjects of various Chinese or other East Asian nations. Reunification during decolonisation has proven... Difficult internally, to say the least.
3) Nanzhao (or Dali) Military Junta, heavily reliant on its rare earth mines for income and its rather oversized army to bully its neighbors into keeping the export lines to the sea open. Could put this in Sichuan too.

I'm open to other ideas, if anyone has any major objections.

by **Plzen** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:08 am

Lunas Legion wrote:[...] 2) HRE that suffered a fate similar to that of Imperial China IRL but worse;
[...]
I'm open to other ideas, if anyone has any major objections.

I certainly wouldn't mind having one more neighbour, if you decide to pursue your HRE idea. That history doesn't look terribly different from Scandinavia's, either, with the difference that we weren't a unified state to begin with in the first place.

In fact, if you do decide to go ahead with that idea, you might have some historical territorial disputes with Scandinavia since we hold considerable tracts of what is de jure Holy Roman Empire territory. If the empire was never legally dissolved, but instead survived as a paper entity, that claim might even still be valid.

Lübeck is Scandinavian... forever!

by **Lunas Legion** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:20 am

Plzen wrote:
Lunas Legion wrote:[...] 2) HRE that suffered a fate similar to that of Imperial China IRL but worse;
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I'm open to other ideas, if anyone has any major objections.

I certainly wouldn't mind having one more neighbour, if you decide to pursue your HRE idea. That history doesn't look terribly different from Scandinavia's, either, with the difference that we weren't a unified state to begin with in the first place.

In fact, if you do decide to go ahead with that idea, you might have some historical territorial disputes with Scandinavia since we hold considerable tracts of what is de jure Holy Roman Empire territory. If the empire was never legally dissolved, but instead survived as a paper entity, that claim might even still be valid.

Lübeck is Scandinavian... forever!

Lies and slander, our claim is older and thus better.

Equally, I'm leaning towards Sichuan currently.

by **Plzen** » Thu Mar 01, 2018 9:56 am

Lunas Legion wrote:Lies and slander, our claim is older and thus better.

Could very well end up shaping our relationship after the all the RL postcolonial brush wars.

Little border incidents along the North Sea every few years, demilitarised zone around Hamburg, accidentally shooting down passenger jets...

Here's a quick sketch of Scandinavia's southern border, against HRE or Germany or whatever it ends up being called.

Lunas Legion wrote:Equally, I'm leaning towards Sichuan currently.

Nooooooo.

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