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Tiandi 天地 Alternate History || Discussion || OOC || Open

Postby Daeseong » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:28 pm

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Tiandi is the union of Heaven (天) and Earth (地), and all which they encompass.


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OP: Daeseong Co-ops: Sabara, Arumdaum, New Kvenland (Cartographer)

The date is 1839 but the British are not waging war on China. Instead, it is the Chinese who are flooding the British Isles with cheap narcotics and aid money.

Imagine a world in which the West never sees the light of the renaissance and enlightenment, but is instead engulfed in a perpetual dark ages by virulent plague and Islamic conquests. Imagine a historical vacuum in which the Warring States of China and the Daimyo Lords of the Sengoku Jidai rise as boundless dragons, rapidly spreading their ideals and power throughout the globe until all the world is under the sway of the great Middle Kingdom. Where cherry blossoms of smoke cover the skies of Tokyo and Nanjing supplant the London smog.

This is a world in which the eminent teachings of of Confucius, of the Buddha, of the Laozi are not relegated to the Asian Cultures sections of duty bookshops but instead become the foundations of world civilization and take on a global presence. This is a world in which it is the Japanese Samurai clans and not the Prussian Junkers who define the principles of warfare, and where the merchants of Macau and Shanghai - not Venice and Portugal - make their first intrepid ventures out into the world, uniting us through trade.

If the thought of exploring this history excites you, you are welcome to join us. This alternate history project, officially sponsored by the region of Tiandi, is open to all who find the prospect of a Sino-centric world fascinating. There is no obligation to join Tiandi or RP in its canon, though coming onto our discord and participating in this thread are required. We hope this will be more than an RP premise, but also a long-term world-building project. Therefore, this thread will be purposed as a general OOC for recruitment, general discussion, and as a hub for all potential P2TM RPs that emerge from this premise/canon.




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The nations in colors on the above map are potential 1st world imperial powers. If you're interested in playing a Chinese nation but don't know enough about local cultures - don't worry! Just do some quick research on the culture in question. A proper/real map will emerge once we get a bit of interest.



Historical Timeline

[Year 1] Reign of the Yellow Emperor and official start of Sinic civilization.

[3451 year of Wood Horse 甲午年 - 3459 year of Water Tiger 壬寅年] - (755-763 AD) - An Lushan Rebellion carries on as before. However...
  • Gunpowder comes into far earlier use than OTL, used in all sorts of rudimentary flaming weapons, with the proliferation of hand-cannons a century earlier.
  • Such weapons shift the traditional sociology-military balance of power by rendering the Tang's traditional Turkic cavalry obsolete. They were also, however, dangerous and required mercenary soldiers - therefore reducing reliance on peasant armies and more-so on hired guns. An Lushan's Turkish horsemen are unable to challenge the new weapons and are even more soundly defeated at the battle of Battle of Yongqiu to the extent that his army is unable to ever recover.
  • The war's ephemeral ensures that the whole-scale slaughter of local landlords and officials never occurs, allowing their power to start approaching that of the centralized merit-based bureaucracy, especially that these lords can now hire professional mercenaries with gunpower weapons.
[3603 year of the Fire Tiger 丙寅年] (907 AD) - the Tang Dynasty collapses and devolves into the Warring States Era. However:
  • Local lords - with private armies - are now better prepared to step into the power vacuum, and these armies are more effective and expensive than before.
  • Various military decisions change such that reunification by force is now a much bloodier prospect. Mercenaries begin pillaging and raping cities en masse upon capture (to pay for their services) and therefore such warfare becomes entirely unsustainable.
  • The development of gunpowder weapons is further developed up due to the constant wars between the new kingdoms / continued Dzungar/Turkic raids.
[3622 Year of Wood Rooster 乙酉年] - (926 AD) - Balhae successfully resists Khitan invasions, permitting the survival of an independent Korean kingdom in the modern-day Manchu region.

[3859 Year of Water Horse 壬午年] - (1163 AD) - a Mongolian Warrior by the name Chinggis Khan is killed by an arrow to the eye during his attempt to rescue his wife, Borte. And/or simply Chinggis never born. Either way, no Mongols.

[4043 Year the Fire Dog 丙戌年] - (1347 AD) - the Black Plague is tracked into Europe via Genoese trade galleys as OTL. However, a new mutation of the disease emerges in the Balkans and begins to spread which is slightly more communicative and twice as lethal. Though Europe does not face societal collapse, almost 60% of the continent's population is wiped out.
  • Though also affected, the Moors capitalize on the vulnerability of Europe - porting in Sudanese and Egyptian Jihadis and mercenaries - to violently tear a path throughout western Europe while the East is similarly dominated by Hunnic and Tatar invasions. These add to the devastation of Europe.
[3796 Year of the Earth Rabbit 己卯年 - 3996 Year of the Earth Pig 己亥年] - (1100 AD - 1300 AD) - by this point each individual region of China has cultivated a unique cultural and national identity
  • The Korean Kingdoms of Goryeo and Balhae, disgusted by the decline of the Confucian system in China, have likely broken off from the Chinese sphere of influence, instead purporting themselves as the last states to uphold proper Confucian heritage and tradition.
  • Japan has just entered the Samurai period at this time. However, Hokkaido is never colonized. Ainu are able to become sinicized and develop independently of Japan.
  • Competition between the South Chinese states and the Black Death (still occurring in China if less virulent than in the West) drives court tinkerers in the Canto state to develop a rudimentary steam engine. This invention is initially not seen for its full potential and takes until the 18th century to come into mainstream use.
[3997 Year of the Metal Rat 庚子年 - 4096 Year of the Earth Rabbit 己卯年 ] - (1300 AD- 1400 AD) - history has changed substantially at this point. These include:
  • The Kingdoms in south China - unable to conquer each other - eventually begin looking towards Southeast Asia for expansion and resources, building trading posts and empowering merchants to extract resources from Indonesia, the Philippines, and the Malay Peninsula.
  • Coal and Iron rich Korea, Manchuria, and Mongolia remain backwaters for the time being, and Japan is still undergoing civil war.
  • Each kingdom has developed its own Confucian style of Confucian bureaucracy, each Emperor claiming his own Mandate of Heaven. The notion of a unified China still exists, but the balance of power between states and advances in economic power and weaponry prevent unification.
  • By now, none of the figures born OTL in this period should be canon whatsoever due to butterflies. Please refrain from using figures from OTL for history past this point.
[4097 Year of the Metal Dragon 庚辰年 - 4196 Year of the Earth Goat 己未年] - (1400 AD-1500 AD) - By this point the merchants of south China have become enormously wealthy through trade with Southeast Asia Sultans. They begin to overthrow the established Confucian hierarchy as local landed gentry go into debt and decline in power. Also, steam technology and gunpowder have advanced faster than OTL due to the lack of need for technology transfers to Europe via the Silk road; most technologies that made Europe powerful had some iteration in Asia by this point OTL.
  • Steam power is finally operationalized. Manchuria, Mongolia, and Korea, previously held back, are now able to rapidly catch up to the south Chinese and even surpass them with massive domestic coal and iron reserves.
  • Panicked, the south Chinese states resort to military action and violence against their former clients and trade partners to secure coal resources. Australia sees a slew of military expeditions, and the indigenous people are obliterated.
  • Further weapons advances and the continued domination of Europe by hostile foreign Emperors keeps it from participating in the great game. Asian countries scramble for the islands of Southeast Asia, then moving westwards towards India, then Iran, and eventually the east coast of Africa.
  • San Francisco bay (Chinese: 旧金山, or Old Gold Mountain) becomes the hub for mass immigration from China - which is now overcrowded, especially in the South where the Pearl River Delta and medical advances have resulted in huge population boons.
  • Buddhist Monk-Scholars begin - with the tides of industrialization and capitalization of society - to theorize and write treatises akin to IRL's enlightenment thinkers, pioneering the thoughts that will lead to capitalism and democracy.
  • Japan might start uniting at this point, but is frankly too late to participate overtly in the colonial game. Alaska and Siberia might be colonized by Korea and Manchuria, allowing them to establish land Empires. The Mongols move through central Asia, and eventually colonize some Slavic peoples.
[4197 Year of the Metal Monkey 庚申年 - 4296 Year of the Earth Pig 己亥年] - (1500 AD - 1600 AD) Asia should be mostly industrialized as per late 18th - early 19th century Europe.
  • Asia is industrialized or at least in the process of doing so, using steam power for textiles. China and Japan also had immense steel production by this point, so there is already ability to build massive industrial metal works.
  • Many regions of the world would still be largely feudal and primitive at this point before colonization. Particularly, Europe would be colonized into two or three major pan-ethnic states by various Sinic powers.
  • Weapons would be at 19th century western standards given longer experience in the East (since the 900s specifically) and hundreds years of experimentation.
[4297 Year of the Metal Rat 庚子年 - 4396 Year of the Earth Rabbit 己卯年] - (1600 AD -1700 AD) - probably have a lot of Asian imperialism. Asian countries might not necessarily colonize in the same way - i.e. the East Coast native Americans do survive - but the Asian countries nonetheless colonize most and do so in brutal fashion.
  • For OOC purposes, please avoid the "Meiji" style countries. There was after all only one Meiji OTL and Japan was uniquely prepared to undergo an industrial revolution. Exceptions can of course be made but avoid this if possible.
  • Especially European countries. It is our opinion that powerful European nations exists all throughout the NS world. There is no reason it necessarily must be so here as well.
  • History is vague but let's assume some major industrial and colonial fights. Maybe a major Great-War style event. But let's avoid IRL parallels. If a world world breaks out, the reasons should make sense in the context of this canon's history and etc.
[4397 Year of the Metal Dragon 庚辰年 - 4496 Year of the Earth Goat 己未年] 1700 AD -1800 AD - the world would be at MT levels of tech. The technology that develops might not necessarily be the same, nor in the same way. Asian cultures might make more progress in certain fields and less than others.
  • Individualism and capitalism have arisen in this canon. We've deemed that though Confucian background might create differences, it's not sufficient to resist economic changes. Asians can historically independently form representative governments, especially when increasingly powerful merchants begin to resent the Confucian system (in which they're at bottom.)
  • Buddhist individual enlightenment + Confucian work ethic/study habits will form the basis of industrial capitalism, therefore, though perhaps with slightly more family-based emphasis and a tendency towards conglomeration.
  • Confucian influences and notions of law/religion will still be present, but we want to avoid entirely absolute 1st world Mandate of Heaven countries.
  • No nations attempting to reunify China either...the notion of a united China has been dead for a millennium by this point.
  • Decolonization would have occurred or be in the process of doing so. Local bureaucracies would have been established in colonial nations, and local civil servants and/or local military officers might have had megalomaniac aspirations of crowning themselves as new heavenly emperors of their realms.

[4535 Year of the Earth Dog 戊戌年] - (1839 AD) - Current date of this RP. It is an entirely MT setting.
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Ideas/Canon Developments

Postby Daeseong » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:29 pm

Established Canonical Stereotypes (Prestigious and Rude)
  • Koreans are rude, arrogant, and make for infamous tourists. They show up to foreign countries expecting everybody to know Korean. And if you want to vacation in Hanseong (#2 tourist destination in the world!!!) nobody will bother trying to speak Canto or Japanese - even if they know the languages.
  • Iran is currently a major rising power, and Asians are (unsuccessfully) scrambling to learn Farsi.
General Comments for Applicants:
  • Multi-ethnic nations are acceptable and even encouraged... just not in East Asia. We're trying to seek a Sinic order of nationstates - or something approaching nationstates anyhow. Grossdeutschland is acceptable (though as a post-colonial nation).
  • We will not unite Japan for you. If we united Japan, it would handily outnumber all of its neighbors in terms of population and resources. Also having several Samurai clans build their own kingdoms via Sengoku Jidai would be lit. Finally, more than one person is going to likely want Japan (unless Japanese settler colonies...). Exceptions can be made for talented and experienced RPers, but generally do not expect this rule to be lifted.
  • We will (probably) not unite Chinese nationalities for you unless one is perhaps an inland one and you have a good application/reason.
  • We are not accepting European "Meijis." Keep in mind that only 1 Meiji exists IRL. European nations are generally already wealthy and powerful on NS. There is really no point/nothing interesting about yet another 1st world European nation. Please keep things interesting. Only exceptions considered may be Slavs or Balkans. If you want to do a Meiji, please consider a non-European nation. Suggested are: Native Americans (South and North America), Indians, and hell even Hawaii.
  • Need nation ideas? Come onto our discord. A list of recommendation nations will be posted below as well.
  • Please limit overseas colonies (in the present day) to a few islands at most. Colonization happened, but it's in the past. That's the point.
Recommendation Nation Concepts:
  • Chinese States - There are a lot of roles here to fill and as a Chinese nation you get to be wealthy, influential (diplomatically and economically) with an advanced professional army. The most important Chinese states are likely to be the Wu (Shanghai, enough said), Hakka (historically colonized, IRL, most of Southeast Asia, could be a major colonial power), Mandarins (less important than IRL by far but still may maintain some Italy-style heritage), and Cantos (Hong Kong, Macau...huge population, cultural influence, etc.) Bottom Line: Want to be a major colonial power? A coastal Chinese nation is your best best.
  • Japan - we know people are gonna want Japan, but please just avoid tropes of 1940s military dictatorship blindly loyal to Emperor, child empresses, or etc. This isn't a recommendation so much as a request.
  • Manchus - abundant coal, iron, and sinicized government. The Manchus have the potential to be a real continental powerhouse/great power. Granted, we don't really want a bunch of warmongering in China in the present day, but the Manchus would likely have a proud and esteemed military history and industry/navy.
  • Mongols/Dzungars - Want to be a big Russia-style state? Why not take to the steppes/Russia. You'd likely be 2nd world, but likely be of former superpower status, and regional/great power at least - in addition to having a considerably large army. Russian military equipment will likely be reserved for a Central Asian Sinified state.
  • Vietnam - interestingly enough, Vietnam is likely to be a heavy hitter. Today Vietnam has a population of 100 million. Imagine that with first world levels of development. Vietnam is likely to be a major political and historical power, with a bridge into the resource rich Southeast Asian mainland. Cambodia, Laos, and maybe even Thailand will likely all be former colonies, and still see much Viet influence. Vietnam also has the beautiful Ao Dai, Pho, etc.
  • Ainu - the Hokkaio and/or Sakhlain Ainu are likely to be small in population and not very historically powerful, but they could take on a role akin to today's Nordic states. They might be very developed, rich, etc. The Sakhalins are oil-rich. You could be a Japanese-influenced first world paradise.
  • European Post-Colonial State - We want Europe to fill roughly the role of today's South Asia. As a European nation, you'd be poor, underdeveloped, and colonized. Why then, would you ever want to play a Euro state? Well how about getting to form any arrangement of borders you like? Want Grossdetuschland? Britain and France? Colonizers don't care about local cultures and neither do you. Additionally, our POD is in 900 AD with huge invasions of Europe by all sorts of invaders...you have substantial freedom to do as you like. If you can explain it we're even willing to accept pagan kingdoms.
  • Native Americans - We are willing to be fairly generous to Native American players... especially ones who want to form modern, advanced, industrialized nations. With the exception of the United States West Coast, there are no real colonial plans for the Native Americans. Granted, you'd face Asian diseases, but there'd be time to recover and catch up with the Sinic east. Want a hyper industrialized Hawaii? Massive industrial Iroquois Confederacy? Aztec Manufacturing Empire? Anything is yours.
  • Africa? I suspect Africa may still be poor...but not necessarily. Given the successes of Islam, lack of European colonization, and some other alternate history changes, a powerful African nation (*coughs* wakanda!) could emerge. Africa should be greatly diverse in terms of development...some very well-off states and a few states like OTL. Eastern Africa is more likely to be colonized and poor than West Africa.
  • Scandinavian Autocracies - we want Scandinavian Oil Barons to rule like Sheikhs of the Middle East. Enough said. Want a Norse Theocracy? Chinese money will flo.
  • Settler Colony. Pretty simple concept; Japanese Australia anybody? Settler colonies will exist in Australia, on US West Coast, and maybe Latin America.
Cultural Changes from IRL to Consider
  • Sports from OTL won't be popular. We'll probably see people playing Cuju develop into something akin to today's association football. Traditional Asian martial arts and dragon boat rowing will be major sports as well. No basketball, baseball, etc.
  • Disney will be supplanted by Studio Ghibli as the major entertainment franchise. Studio Ghbili and anime will dominate the world.
  • All the dreamy British boy-bands will be replaced by hot dreamy kpop bois instead.
  • Historically, Asian countries have been more secularized/follow syncretic forms of religion. Organized religion is unlikely to be a powerful force. Shamans, Buddhist temples, and state traditions/worship should intermix. Also, it'd be nice if you refrain from bringing Christianity to Asia.
  • South China will be dominated by Canto trend-setter hippies and avante-garde. You aren't necessarily required to run your nation this way, but the Cantos will be a major source of edgy avante garde culture and liberalism.
  • Food will consist more of rice-based cakes, fish, and steamed vegetables. Less emphasis on fried foods, cheese, breads, etc. Try to consider this in your national cuisine.
  • Christianity - even Nestorianism - should not exist in East Asia. There are a lot of interesting angles to explore alt history from, but making China Christian is really not one of our goals.
  • No Western style clothing or suits. This should be obvious. It's a bit hard to find pictures of people not in western dress, but we'll try to make do for the sake of the aesthetic and immersion.
  • Philosophy... lots of room here. Since European enlightenment never happens and no America, well, everything is up in the air. For political philosophy, I suppose anybody who wants to specifically explore how merchant power and decline of bureaucracies might result in new ideologies and etc. then you are free to claim these major thinkers as your nation's.
  • General note, your nation cannot be impervious to cultural diffusion of Asian nations/colonizers, even if your nation is one of the few uncolonized ones. That just doesn't make sense. Unless you can practically convince me of a single nation today totally devoid of European cultural influences, this rule stands.
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[b]Map Claim (Described or via Imgur):[/b]
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  • KEEP IN MIND - even though modern date is 17th-18th century, the tech level is MT, and your population/economics/technology levels should reflect this. This alt history assumes technology moves at a faster pace than IRL.
  • European colonial offshoots (America/Canada/Australia analogues) will be rejected.
  • Only East Asian nations (notably Chinese, Koreanic, Japonic, Viet, and Tungstic) may be at first world levels of development and wealth without approval from the mods.
  • Southeast Asia, India, and East Africa are likely to be poorer post-colonial nations.
  • Only East Asian nations may currently have colonies; those colonies must be far-flung and tiny.
  • Human claims have precedence over NPCs, which are mapped in gray. Technically, every gray spot on the map is an NPC; some are just without names and stats.

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FAQs

Postby Daeseong » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:29 pm

FAQs

Q. Do I have to be a member of Tiandi - or join - to participate?
A. No! In fact, we encourage you not to join solely for the purpose of this RP!

Q. Is this an RP?
A. It's hopefully intended to be more like a canon-building/RP group that indulges in roleplay with the shared canon we've built. There will be several RP opportunities arising from this however - hopefully.

Q. Are you Asian Supremacists?
A. Look this is an alternate history. Why do we have to justify this?

Q. Can I be Meiji Britain?
A. This question has actually been asked about 3 times and the question is no. Refer to the posts above.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:53 pm

Daeseong wrote:Q. Can I be Meiji Britain?
A. This question has actually been asked about 3 times and the question is no. Refer to the posts above.

damn who asked??
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Postby Strala » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:58 pm

Can I be Eastern or Western Han

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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:00 pm

Strala wrote:Can I be Eastern or Western Han

What do you mean? Like all of China?
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ArUmdAUM wrote:
Strala wrote:Can I be Eastern or Western Han

What do you mean? Like all of China?

No only the land eastern han controlled, and if I can't than a portion of the land they controlled

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ArUmdAUM wrote:
Daeseong wrote:Q. Can I be Meiji Britain?
A. This question has actually been asked about 3 times and the question is no. Refer to the posts above.

damn who asked??

I'm keeping that confidential, but the very words British Meiji did appear in three separate occasions, I assure you.

Strala wrote:
ArUmdAUM wrote:What do you mean? Like all of China?

No only the land eastern han controlled, and if I can't than a portion of the land they controlled


This map should be roughly indicative of what kinds of Chinese nations we'd like to see.

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Postby Strala » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:14 pm

Daeseong wrote:
ArUmdAUM wrote:damn who asked??

I'm keeping that confidential, but the very words British Meiji did appear in three separate occasions, I assure you.

Strala wrote:No only the land eastern han controlled, and if I can't than a portion of the land they controlled


This map should be roughly indicative of what kinds of Chinese nations we'd like to see.

I'll try to look at it tomorrow. It's blocked on my school chromebook

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Strala wrote:
Daeseong wrote:I'm keeping that confidential, but the very words British Meiji did appear in three separate occasions, I assure you.



This map should be roughly indicative of what kinds of Chinese nations we'd like to see.

I'll try to look at it tomorrow. It's blocked on my school chromebook

No worries! I can try to describe it to you as well. Generally speaking, since we're waving away Yuans and Qing, there will be less linguistic and culture homogenization, and survival of more local dialects. Therefore, something like the entirety of Eastern Han is out of the question, sadly.

However, you could play a nation of plains Mandarins or Jin. In return for lacking the sheer size and human capital of modern China, you'd essentially be an advanced, diplomatically and economically powerful Chinese nation-state - probably with a historical global trade empire. That is more or less the premise.
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Daeseong wrote:
Strala wrote:I'll try to look at it tomorrow. It's blocked on my school chromebook

No worries! I can try to describe it to you as well. Generally speaking, since we're waving away Yuans and Qing, there will be less linguistic and culture homogenization, and survival of more local dialects. Therefore, something like the entirety of Eastern Han is out of the question, sadly.

However, you could play a nation of plains Mandarins or Jin. In return for lacking the sheer size and human capital of modern China, you'd essentially be an advanced, diplomatically and economically powerful Chinese nation-state - probably with a historical global trade empire. That is more or less the premise.

Can I be Wu, since my mother and Father is from Jiangsu province, and so was my grandmother but my grandfather is from Shanghai

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Shortform name: Simguk
Population: 101,412,300
Capital: Suho 樹湖 (Seattle)
GDP (nominal) per capita: $51,389
Military manpower (active/reserve): 80k active/20k reserve
Language(s): Primarily Cantonese and Korean, along with Coast Salish dialects and other languages spoken by natives and diasporas from across the globe
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): sth like this
Nation description:

Simguk is composed of the former colonies of Korea and -assorted Chinese states-. It spans the entirety of North America's Pacific Northwest. Simguk is a more developed country, with a rugged interior and densely populated coast. The Luhoi-Suho-Seupji corridor (Vancouver-Seattle-Portland) and Fuho (富河) Bay area (San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose) are two of the largest metropolitan areas on earth. Simguk is incredibly diverse, with a majority-minority Korean population. The former Chinese colonies centered in Fuho Bay and Luhoi 藍海 (Vancouver) remain culturally distinct from the rest of the country, while the heartland (Suho and Seupji 隰地, Seattle & Portland respectively) is largely Korean. Immigrant communities from Europe, East Africa, and Indonesia are present in the major cities. Native Americans, especially the Coast Salish, are confined to large reservations in the Gisan Mountains 頎山 (Rocky Mountains), a dark remnant of Simguk's exploitative past.

The country is a federal republic with a bicameral legislature and executive branch. Simguk's politics are dominated by three parties: the ruling social democrats in coalition with the communists, and a weakened opposition made up of centrists. The current President, Kim Yu-Ri, was elected in the past year. She has pursued a radical reform agenda to address global climate change, which was the marquee issue of her campaign.

Simguk has one of the highest per-capita incomes in the world, with a massive welfare system that includes universal healthcare, an expansive social security net, and free university. Although taxes are high, many of these programs are funded through oil revenue from the country's large reserves in Alaska and the Yukon.


Main nation on NS: Sabara
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Historical Background: tbd
RP Samples (1-2): yo
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Daeseong
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Posts: 513
Founded: Jun 21, 2015
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Postby Daeseong » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:36 pm

Sabara wrote:NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Samgwok
Population: 96,412,300
GDP (nominal) per capita: $44,389
Military manpower (active/reserve): 70k active/200k reserve
Language(s): Primarily Cantonese and Korean, along with Coast Salish dialects and other languages spoken by natives and diasporas from across the globe
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): sth like this
Nation description:

Samgwok is composed of the former colonies of Korea and... other people.

It is a more developed country, composed of a rugged interior and densely populated coast. The Ngaaguk/Angu (雅穀) corridor (Vancouver-Portland) and San Francisco (idk haven't named this yet) bay area are two of the largest metropolitan areas on earth.

tbd

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How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): :hug:
Historical Background: tbd
RP Samples (1-2): yo

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Syla
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Posts: 21
Founded: Jan 04, 2015
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Postby Syla » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:36 pm

I see that this got a snazzy reboot in the form of an alt-history project, I really like the historical timeline established. I'm just wondering what the status of the Islamic world is in this timeline, since Mongols being "retconned" does leave Central Asia and much of the Islamic world unmarred by the carnage that Genghis wrought historically.

As for another question, what of India? I assume they have their own separate states, kingdoms, republics, etc as well? Or was there some minor colonization of coastal regions?

Last question, so there was a mention of SEA Islamic sultanates in the OP, they appear to be more sinicized in this timeline and act as the gateway to the West so I was wondering if there is anything deemed necessary for those opening up shop as these Islamic/Theravada (since Khmer, Thai, and Bamars follow that branch of Buddhism) Kingdoms. Such as how much influence they got, how developed they became, etc.

In any case, this seems quite neat and I'll keep an eye on it ;o

PS: Aru may recognize me, but this revamped alt history seems very attractive.

PPS: last time i joined this i was a flash in the pan when irl caught up to me and i went poof :(
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Sabara
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Posts: 3491
Founded: Jan 14, 2012
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Sabara » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:46 pm

Strala wrote:
Daeseong wrote:No worries! I can try to describe it to you as well. Generally speaking, since we're waving away Yuans and Qing, there will be less linguistic and culture homogenization, and survival of more local dialects. Therefore, something like the entirety of Eastern Han is out of the question, sadly.

However, you could play a nation of plains Mandarins or Jin. In return for lacking the sheer size and human capital of modern China, you'd essentially be an advanced, diplomatically and economically powerful Chinese nation-state - probably with a historical global trade empire. That is more or less the premise.

Can I be Wu, since my mother and Father is from Jiangsu province, and so was my grandmother but my grandfather is from Shanghai

Hey Strala, would you mind joining the Discord? Or is it blocked on your chromebook?
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Strala
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Founded: Oct 25, 2017
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Strala » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:48 pm

Sabara wrote:
Strala wrote:Can I be Wu, since my mother and Father is from Jiangsu province, and so was my grandmother but my grandfather is from Shanghai

Hey Strala, would you mind joining the Discord? Or is it blocked on your chromebook?

It's blocked, but I have a laptop but I can only use it for 2 hours 45 minutes and that's from 3:00 to 5:45 on the weekdays. On the weekends and break I can be on all day

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Daeseong
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Posts: 513
Founded: Jun 21, 2015
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Postby Daeseong » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:51 pm

Syla wrote:I see that this got a snazzy reboot in the form of an alt-history project, I really like the historical timeline established. I'm just wondering what the status of the Islamic world is in this timeline, since Mongols being "retconned" does leave Central Asia and much of the Islamic world unmarred by the carnage that Genghis wrought historically.

As for another question, what of India? I assume they have their own separate states, kingdoms, republics, etc as well? Or was there some minor colonization of coastal regions?

Last question, so there was a mention of SEA Islamic sultanates in the OP, they appear to be more sinicized in this timeline and act as the gateway to the West so I was wondering if there is anything deemed necessary for those opening up shop as these Islamic/Theravada (since Khmer, Thai, and Bamars follow that branch of Buddhism) Kingdoms. Such as how much influence they got, how developed they became, etc.

In any case, this seems quite neat and I'll keep an eye on it ;o

PS: Aru may recognize me, but this revamped alt history seems very attractive.

PPS: last time i joined this i was a flash in the pan when irl caught up to me and i went poof :(

So we attempted to leave history vague so people could populate these areas and determine the specifics themselves. But there are a few ideas that we established:
  • Islam will do much better than OTL but as to where it expands; that's up to the players who inhabit the regions.
  • India can go either way. Personally I want to see a few powerful Indian kingdoms, but much of the sub-continent would be colonized - especially the south and coastal areas.
  • If you want to set up shop in SE Asia, then you get much leeway. In fact, I think Arumdaum would prefer Buddhist Indonesia. These would be - frankly speaking - dirt poor.

Strala wrote:
Daeseong wrote:No worries! I can try to describe it to you as well. Generally speaking, since we're waving away Yuans and Qing, there will be less linguistic and culture homogenization, and survival of more local dialects. Therefore, something like the entirety of Eastern Han is out of the question, sadly.

However, you could play a nation of plains Mandarins or Jin. In return for lacking the sheer size and human capital of modern China, you'd essentially be an advanced, diplomatically and economically powerful Chinese nation-state - probably with a historical global trade empire. That is more or less the premise.

Can I be Wu, since my mother and Father is from Jiangsu province, and so was my grandmother but my grandfather is from Shanghai

I can reserve the Wu for you. If you fill out an app, it's yours!

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New Kvenland
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Posts: 2020
Founded: Jul 07, 2014
Left-wing Utopia

Postby New Kvenland » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:52 pm

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Hawaiʻi /// ハワ-イン イ
Population: 2,612,325
GDP (nominal) per capita: $24,568
Military manpower (active/reserve): 9,000 active, 14,000 reserve
Language(s): Hawai'ian, Japanese
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): The entire Hawai'ian Archipelago up to Kure Atoll, as well as Sikaiana and Palmyra, Kalama, and Jarvis Atolls.
Nation description: Similar to modern-day Hawai'i, but with Japanese instead of American influence -- think cyberpunk Honolulu. Has gradually gotten very rich off of its status as an important port of trade and travel between East Asia and North America. Currently a constitutional monarchy led by the Kalākaua dynasty, with nearly all political power vested in the National Assembly. Over 60% of the population lives in Honolulu, a famously futuristic (and famously cramped) city, while most of the rest live in one of the many thousands of islands dotting the rest of the islands.
Main nation on NS: New Kvenland
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): It came to me in a vision
Historical Background: Islands united hundreds of years before foreign contact, allow them to unite and grow strong, Asian powers unable to do anything but assert limited control over them. Japan has the biggest influence, but it slowly started letting the reins loosen, first because of the cost of the colony and later because of a fear of overthrow by the Hawai'ians. Over its first 100 years as an independent nation, it transitioned from a rural nation to a cosmopolitan one through somewhat unethical, but nonetheless effective, economic decisions. Will flesh out later
RP Samples (1-2): hawai'i nukes ur capital and destroys ur entire army. post losses
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Dayganistan
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Founded: May 02, 2016
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Postby Dayganistan » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:54 pm

NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Iran
Population: 210 million
GDP (nominal) per capita: 10,000
Military manpower (active/reserve): 1.1 million active, 2 million reserve
Language(s): Farsi official, various other Indo-Iranian languages spoken locally (Kurdish and Pashto being the largest)
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas in Pakistan
Nation description: It's basically Iran but bigger. A middle income country with a reasonably developed economy. One of the regional powers of the middle east/central Asia region.
Main nation on NS: This one
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): bruh
National History Overview: After Islam was introduced to Iran, the Perisan world fragmented among various dynasties. It was united again under the Buyid Dynasty in the late 11th century. Over the next several centuries, Iran would go through a series of various dynasties and territorial changes until settling at its current borders. Iran was able to mostly resist colonization, but opened Qishm Island for colonial powers to establish trading outposts.

Iran is currently under an authoritarian, nationalist regime with some socialist tendencies, and has been for the last 40 years.
RP Samples (1-2): pls
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Daeseong
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Posts: 513
Founded: Jun 21, 2015
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Postby Daeseong » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:56 pm

New Kvenland wrote:NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Hawaiʻi /// ハワ-イサイ
Population: 2,612,325
GDP (nominal) per capita: $24,568
Military manpower (active/reserve): 9,000 active, 14,000 reserve
Language(s): Hawai'ian, Japanese
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): The entire Hawai'ian Archipelago up to Kure Atoll, as well as Sikaiana and Palmyra, Kalama, and Jarvis Atolls.
Nation description: Similar to modern-day Hawai'i, but with Japanese instead of American influence -- think cyberpunk Honolulu. Has gradually gotten very rich off of its status as an important port of trade and travel between East Asia and North America. Currently a constitutional monarchy led by the Kalākaua dynasty, with nearly all political power vested in the National Assembly. Over 60% of the population lives in Honolulu, a famously futuristic (and famously cramped) city, while most of the rest live in one of the many thousands of islands dotting the rest of the islands.
Main nation on NS: New Kvenland
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): It came to me in a vision
Historical Background: Islands united hundreds of years before foreign contact, allow them to unite and grow strong, Asian powers unable to do anything but assert limited control over them. Japan has the biggest influence, but it slowly started letting the reins loosen, first because of the cost of the colony and later because of a fear of overthrow by the Hawai'ians. Over its first 100 years as an independent nation, it transitioned from a rural nation to a cosmopolitan one through somewhat unethical, but nonetheless effective, economic decisions. Will flesh out later
RP Samples (1-2): hawai'i nukes ur capital and destroys ur entire army. post losses

Accepted

Dayganistan wrote:NATION APPLICATION

Shortform name: Iran
Population: 210 million
GDP (nominal) per capita: 9,000
Military manpower (active/reserve): 800,000 active, 1 million reserve
Language(s): Farsi official, various other Indo-Iranian languages spoken locally (Kurdish and Pashto being the largest)
Map Claim (Described or via Imgur): Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas in Pakistan
Nation description: It's basically Iran but bigger. A middle income country with a reasonably developed economy. One of the regional powers of the middle east/central Asia region.
Main nation on NS: This one
How did you find out about Tiandi? (optional): bruh
National History Overview: After Islam was introduced to Iran, the Perisan world fragmented among various dynasties. It was united again under the Buyid Dynasty in the late 11th century. Over the next several centuries, Iran would go through a series of various dynasties and territorial changes until settling at its current borders. Iran was able to mostly resist colonization, but opened Qishm Island for colonial powers to establish trading outposts.

Iran is currently under an authoritarian, nationalist regime with some socialist tendencies, and has been for the last 40 years.
RP Samples (1-2): pls

Accepted

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Syla
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Posts: 21
Founded: Jan 04, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Syla » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:57 pm

Daeseong wrote:
Syla wrote:I see that this got a snazzy reboot in the form of an alt-history project, I really like the historical timeline established. I'm just wondering what the status of the Islamic world is in this timeline, since Mongols being "retconned" does leave Central Asia and much of the Islamic world unmarred by the carnage that Genghis wrought historically.

As for another question, what of India? I assume they have their own separate states, kingdoms, republics, etc as well? Or was there some minor colonization of coastal regions?

Last question, so there was a mention of SEA Islamic sultanates in the OP, they appear to be more sinicized in this timeline and act as the gateway to the West so I was wondering if there is anything deemed necessary for those opening up shop as these Islamic/Theravada (since Khmer, Thai, and Bamars follow that branch of Buddhism) Kingdoms. Such as how much influence they got, how developed they became, etc.

In any case, this seems quite neat and I'll keep an eye on it ;o

PS: Aru may recognize me, but this revamped alt history seems very attractive.

PPS: last time i joined this i was a flash in the pan when irl caught up to me and i went poof :(

So we attempted to leave history vague so people could populate these areas and determine the specifics themselves. But there are a few ideas that we established:
  • Islam will do much better than OTL but as to where it expands; that's up to the players who inhabit the regions.
  • India can go either way. Personally I want to see a few powerful Indian kingdoms, but much of the sub-continent would be colonized - especially the south and coastal areas.
  • If you want to set up shop in SE Asia, then you get much leeway. In fact, I think Arumdaum would prefer Buddhist Indonesia. These would be - frankly speaking - dirt poor.

Aight so I'm guessing cities like OTL Samarkand, Balkh, Bukahara, Nishapur, Tehran, Kabul are somewhat more intact and still rather functional if not shadows of their former glory of silk road hotspots to the MENA heartland. Some of the ideas would rather travel East instead of West as well?

Sounds gucci for India.

Is there room for any formerly large Thalassocracy that was chipped away by Sinic powers then? Then again I'm on the disc so if you feel like it you can ping me there.
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Arumdaum
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Founded: Oct 21, 2009
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:57 pm

Strala wrote:
Daeseong wrote:No worries! I can try to describe it to you as well. Generally speaking, since we're waving away Yuans and Qing, there will be less linguistic and culture homogenization, and survival of more local dialects. Therefore, something like the entirety of Eastern Han is out of the question, sadly.

However, you could play a nation of plains Mandarins or Jin. In return for lacking the sheer size and human capital of modern China, you'd essentially be an advanced, diplomatically and economically powerful Chinese nation-state - probably with a historical global trade empire. That is more or less the premise.

Can I be Wu, since my mother and Father is from Jiangsu province, and so was my grandmother but my grandfather is from Shanghai

Yeah, of course!

You don't have to stick to Zhejiang either--you can shift things around and rule over just Jiangsu or Jiangsu and surrounding areas if you want.
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Postby Sabara » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:59 pm

Syla wrote:-snip-

A former (maybe current?) seafaring/trade power in e. Africa or Madagascar would be pretty interesting & fit into the cannon
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