Game of Thrones: A Dream of Spring [OOC] -Concluded-

[Pivert]

If Lord Baelish isn't willing to send his own men up there, then House Strong wont lift a finger. Send the Pseudo-Freys up there, I'm sure they'll do fine on their own.

Yes please send the Rivermen up one small force at a time....Only the Gods know who'll come back down the neck....

I'm not risking an assault on Moat Cailin, but hey, if Starks wants to come down here and fight like men then we'll see him on the battlefield.

[Fahran]

If Lord Baelish isn't willing to send his own men up there, then House Strong wont lift a finger. Send the Pseudo-Freys up there, I'm sure they'll do fine on their own.

If Lord Corwyn decides to send Ser Jasper Baelish, he'll probably be accompanied by around 2,000 men, including knights, men-at-arms, peasant levies armed with cheap spears and modified hoes, and mercenaries from the Free Cities and else-where, most prominently a contingent of longbow-wielding archers from the Summer Isles and Myrish crossbows. You cannot expect men to follow if you will not lead. However, as Lord Corwyn is not a military man, he'd likely leave the actual planning to the Strongs and Flammens.

[The Valyria Empire]

All this talk about Mudds. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but when you’re in the Golden Company you can choose whatever name you want. So we don’t know if the people that say they’re Mudds are actually Mudds same with Strickland.

The Golden Company disbanded following the invasion of the Others. With Aegon crowned and given Blackfyre the company disbanded and most got their lands. Those that could not prove their birth (like the Mudds) were not returned their traditional land. Instead they were given small land (like that of a landed knight).

[Revlona]

I'm sad because i just realized how far away the IC is

[Greater Germany]

I'm interested in House Baratheon.

This blurb in the timeline got my attention:

Westeros (Not counting Dorne and the Stormlands) are devastated in the war. Millions die, and many regions become barren.

That, combined with a sixty year long winter and a major Faith Militant uprising, has me wondering: outside of Dorne and the Stormlands how much have the populations recovered? Combining a supernatural invasion with a three generation long winter and a religious war, it is reasonable to assume the affected kingdoms wouldn't have recovered yet. So would their full musters be half of what they were at the onset of the War of the Five Kings?

[Fahran]

All this talk about Mudds. Sorry to burst your bubbles, but when you’re in the Golden Company you can choose whatever name you want. So we don’t know if the people that say they’re Mudds are actually Mudds same with Strickland.

The Golden Company disbanded following the invasion of the Others. With Aegon crowned and given Blackfyre the company disbanded and most got their lands. Those that could not prove their birth (like the Mudds) were not returned their traditional land. Instead they were given small land (like that of a landed knight).

This makes a good amount of sense. Mudds might be useful as hedge knights or castellans throughout the plot though, and I'm certain a few of them might well plot against their more powerful neighbors in the Riverlands.

[Fahran]

If Lord Baelish isn't willing to send his own men up there, then House Strong wont lift a finger. Send the Pseudo-Freys up there, I'm sure they'll do fine on their own.

Yes please send the Rivermen up one small force at a time....Only the Gods know who'll come back down the neck....

You're assuming that's not the point. It's an excellent way to deal with unruly vassals. It'd also accomplish an important strategic goal, namely bottling the Starks up in the North. Of course, at that point, House Strong wouldn't have too many reasons not to defect to the Starks, especially if the Arryns (not likely given their hatred of Sansa and obsession with Andal tradition), the Barratheons, or the Dornish decide to support Cregan's claim. All in all though, I'm skeptical that there'd be too much in-character justification for them to switch sides. Of course, Ser Jasper isn't his grandfather and isn't going to play it that way.

[Jhet]

sixty year long winter

Wait what? Well it looks like the peasants were far too optimistic to fear a decade-long winter.

[Greater Germany]

sixty year long winter

Wait what? Well it looks like the peasants were far too optimistic to fear a decade-long winter.

Right?

King Gaemon "The Halfwing" of House Targaryen has ruled peacefully for many years. His rule was started with the coming of spring, after a sixty year long Winter.

With the kingdoms (bar Dorne and the Stormlands) subject to Other invasion and then this, I think the populations and thus hosts of those kingdoms would be smaller to some degree. Forty years simply isn't enough time to recover.

[The Valyria Empire]

Wait what? Well it looks like the peasants were far too optimistic to fear a decade-long winter.

Right?

King Gaemon "The Halfwing" of House Targaryen has ruled peacefully for many years. His rule was started with the coming of spring, after a sixty year long Winter.

With the kingdoms (bar Dorne and the Stormlands) subject to Other invasion and then this, I think the populations and thus hosts of those kingdoms would be smaller to some degree. Forty years simply isn't enough time to recover.

I plan on giving the man count for each region later. My goal with this RP was to return to the status quo but at the same time not. (Like how 90% of the LPs are the same house).

I realize it’s not likely that the mancount would be the same during the WOTFK, and thus am going to basically take away 20-30% of the manpower for each region. (This will vary depending on the region). An example being the Iron Islands. They weren’t hit too bad during the invasion since they were so far off the main land. When you look at Altegonnia’s app, you’ll see that he has 18,000 men instead of the usual 20,000

[Revlona]

Right?


With the kingdoms (bar Dorne and the Stormlands) subject to Other invasion and then this, I think the populations and thus hosts of those kingdoms would be smaller to some degree. Forty years simply isn't enough time to recover.

I plan on giving the man count for each region later. My goal with this RP was to return to the status quo but at the same time not. (Like how 90% of the LPs are the same house).

I realize it’s not likely that the mancount would be the same during the WOTFK, and thus am going to basically take away 20-30% of the manpower for each region. (This will vary depending on the region). An example being the Iron Islands. They weren’t hit too bad during the invasion since they were so far off the main land. When you look at Altegonnia’s app, you’ll see that he has 18,000 men instead of the usual 20,000

Wait so are we keeping the numbers in our apps or not?

[The Valyria Empire]

I plan on giving the man count for each region later. My goal with this RP was to return to the status quo but at the same time not. (Like how 90% of the LPs are the same house).

I realize it’s not likely that the mancount would be the same during the WOTFK, and thus am going to basically take away 20-30% of the manpower for each region. (This will vary depending on the region). An example being the Iron Islands. They weren’t hit too bad during the invasion since they were so far off the main land. When you look at Altegonnia’s app, you’ll see that he has 18,000 men instead of the usual 20,000

Wait so are we keeping the numbers in our apps or not?

All numbers are subject to change. I did not plan on announcing this till later and once I decided how far south the Others got. I’ll have a map up to show who got affected the most.

[Fahran]

Right?


With the kingdoms (bar Dorne and the Stormlands) subject to Other invasion and then this, I think the populations and thus hosts of those kingdoms would be smaller to some degree. Forty years simply isn't enough time to recover.

I plan on giving the man count for each region later. My goal with this RP was to return to the status quo but at the same time not. (Like how 90% of the LPs are the same house).

I realize it’s not likely that the mancount would be the same during the WOTFK, and thus am going to basically take away 20-30% of the manpower for each region. (This will vary depending on the region). An example being the Iron Islands. They weren’t hit too bad during the invasion since they were so far off the main land. When you look at Altegonnia’s app, you’ll see that he has 18,000 men instead of the usual 20,000

Considering that the Riverlands and the North probably bore the brunt of the civilian casualties during the War of the Five Kings and the War Against the Others, I anticipate that the damage to their populations would have been easily the most severe. While Martin occasionally claims his work is principally inspired by the War of the Roses, certain scenes that occur in the Riverlands almost suggest casualties and damage on par with the Thirty Years War in Germany, with full villages depopulated and swarms of marauding broken men everywhere. The impression I got was of a society broken and wholly unprepared for winter. Germany lost as much as a third of its population according to some estimates. With a sixty year winter, the Riverlands may have been even more severely impacted. The North, with its already small population, would have been shattered as well. I'm not even certain it's plausible that a Stark would have enough troops to even think about proclaiming himself king.

[Jhet]

That is a fair few Fuck the King votes there.

[Revlona]

That is a fair few Fuck the King votes there.

there are more votes than people who have apped i think

[Warg the Immortal]

Im on mobile so quoting ain't gonna work, but for thr criticisms of my app

1. He isn't peerless, he's good fighter but he's better at tactics than actual combat, where the Frey mind comes from.

2. The name change is because after all the destruction and betrayal his family had caused, Bryan changed the name so that he would not be associated with the people who started the War of the Freys.

3. I explained why the Mallisters went extinct, it was due to the White Walkers. After the invasion Bryan used Seagarde as a staging point before he stopped the Freys and never gave it to whomever should have inherited it, so that could be a point of contention in the future.

4. At this point, the family has had three generations of Valurian in them, one can assume that a child by this point would look somewhat Valyrian.

5. Will edit that

6. Will edit

7. Part of the reason he changed the name. He would also probably be hated by most other people, but the Baelishes and the Crown owed him too much to enforce any punishment, even if he was hated the rest of his life.

8. I asked permission about marrying one of Dany's unmarried daughters first

9. That Velaryon wasn't a member of the main house, but some distant cousin married because she looked Valyrian.

2. I still don't agree with the sigil and name change, so I'll leave that decision up to Val
3. His family still can't just assume control of Seagarde, that decision would be up to the LP or Monarch, so the Freys cannot have Seagarde unless it is awarded to them
4. Baelor Breakspear had numerous generations of Valyrian blood, yet one dornish marriage and he doesn't even look Valyrian so Valyrian genetics are no where near strong enough that Rhaemon could pass for a Targ
7. The Baelishs and Targs don't really care if they owe him something, if he was a massive kinslayer they arent just going to allow him a free pass
8. I also didnt see the app before you asked about the marriage, if Val allows it, fine. But I couldnt see Dany or Aeg allowing it

[Warg the Immortal]

1. What number would you recommend then?
2. It isn't like he was an invading force. Piracy in the region is fairly normal, and arguably a stabilizing presence in the region could be welcomed by powerful seafaring lords.
3. A bastard responsible for the death of a legitimate child and with a tenuous if illegitimate claim. It's not something a powerful family would necessarily let slip by.
4. See point 2.
5. Fair point regarding the Hornwoods, that was an oversight on my part. But he was raised in the Manderly court; and thus according to the Faith, so I'd welcome a suggestion for another family in that regard.
6. Why did Stannis replace his sigil when he converted? He's a pirate. Seems fairly understandable that he'd have his own sigil. It's not important to me either way though. If, say, he ended up returning to Westeros; he could take the Manderly sigil back.
7. If there's any specific criticisms or suggestions you want to make that you think would make him less OP, I'm more than welcome to hear them. I thought the two-weapon fighting would be an interesting separation from the majority who will be using the typical sword and shield, and there is established examples of it in the books, so I didn't see any issue with including it. I can easily edit that out though.

1. Not sure, the numbers for population in the Stepstones are never expressly given, but 10,000 is too high
2. Piracy in the Narrow Sea is usually ship to ship, not raiding along the coastline and lands of Westerosi lords
3. If he's a bastard he has no claim, unless legitimized by the Crown
5. If he was the heir to the Hornwood why was he raised by the Manderlys?
6. My main concern is that people often put their sigils in their IC posts to help pick them out, so if he just used the Manderly sigil it'd work better
7. The reason most use sword (and sometimes a shield) is that it is the more effective method for westerosi combat, also what examples from the books are their of two sword fighting? The Manderlys are known for being portly, and thus not overly muscular and fit

[Revlona]

I've decided on the Daggers name, it shall be........



Quickfang

[Jhet]

*snip*

2. You'd get deposed pretty quick were that to happen.
5. Heirs can be raised by other families as a means of cementing relationships and opening up potential marriage alliances. This is true during times of peace or attempts at re-establishing some sort of peaceful accord.
7. Not all Manderlys though. We only know that Wyman and his sons were fat, the daughters were pretty skinny, which can be equally put down to parenting and lifestyle choices. There were those sons who went off to wreck up the Greens during the Dance were one is separated in description from the other by his weight.

[Revlona]

What did Cuprum do to get banned?

[The Valyria Empire]

What did Cuprum do to get banned?

Feel free to take a read. You’re gonna want to read both the OOC and IC

Thankfully Warg was willing to play Dany or that plotline might have died.

[Revlona]

What did Cuprum do to get banned?

Feel free to take a read. You’re gonna want to read both the OOC and IC

Thankfully Warg was willing to play Dany or that plotline might have died.

Just Bad quality in general?

[The Valyria Empire]

Feel free to take a read. You’re gonna want to read both the OOC and IC

Thankfully Warg was willing to play Dany or that plotline might have died.

Just Bad quality in general?

Aye, I gave him three strikes, cause I had to retcon. He wanted to use overpowered Dany from the show where she gets the Dothraki, and I said no. App will be up tonight, followed by getting the roster ready.

Here's the numbers from the first page.

Pre-War Strength of the Regions

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- The North: 30,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/4
- The Riverlands: 30,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3
- The Isles: 18,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/20
- The Vale: 35,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3
- The Westerlands: 40,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3
- The Crownlands: 14,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3
- The Reach: 80,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3
- The Stormlands: 35,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3
- Dorne: 30,000 - mounted to unmounted ratio 1/3

Standing Forces

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While the armies of Westerosi lords are reliant on a mixture of retainers and feudal levies, there are some forces of renown or size which are maintained for more than a campaigning season. These forces can be exempted from the manpower pools of the feudal lords.

White Harbour - Town Watch - 500

Lannisport - Town Watch - 1,000
Lannisport - Fleet - ~30 galleys

Gulltown - Town Watch - 1,500
Gulltown - Fleet - ~20 galleys

Oldtown - Town Watch - 1,300
Oldtown - Fleet - ~40 galleys
The Arbor - Fleet - ~200 galleys

King's Landing - Town Watch - 1,700
King's Landing - Fleet - ~80 galleys

Credit for these numbers and the layout goes to the wonderful Jhet

[Fahran]

Just Bad quality in general?

Aye, I gave him three strikes, cause I had to retcon. He wanted to use overpowered Dany from the show where she gets the Dothraki, and I said no. App will be up tonight, followed by getting the roster ready.

I’ve spoken to Jhet about a number of things and may amend my application a touch to exclude some aspects of House Baelish’s relationship to House Arryn and to adjust others. If possible, I’d like to propose a subplot wherein Corwyn is striving to obtain charters recognizing Maidenpool and Fairmarket as cities along the lines of White Harbor, Oldtown, and Lord Harroway’s Town, with him having already succeeded in transforming the Saltpans into a burgeoning port city accommodating cloth and grain from the Riverlands, iron ore from the Vale, amber and lumber from the North, and more exotic goods from abroad. This could serve as the lynchpin of House Baelish’s wealth and would put Corwyn at odds with the landed gentry in the Riverlands, thereby adding several layers of human and political drama.

[Greater Germany]

Name: Davos Baratheon
House: Baratheon of Storm's End
Age: 36
Gender: M
Titles: Lord of Storm's End, Lord Paramount of the Stormlands
House Seat: Storm's End
House Sigil:

Allegiance paid to: The Lord of the Seven Kingdoms, King of the Andals, Rhoynar and First Men, and Protector of the Realm
Appearance (Picture appreciated):

Personality: Proud, calculating and calm. Not one to mince words. More interested in administrating his family's holdings than going to court.
Skills: Strategy and administration.
Weaponry (If any): Longsword, dirk and lance
Military Strength: 40,000 and 30 war galleys
Biography:
Davos Baratheon is a product of his family's history, good and ill. He owes much to his great- and great-great-grandfathers, one sired by a king and the other a king in his own right. Born only a few years after the end of the Great Winter, Davos is the eldest son of Lord Lyonel Baratheon and Lady Jeyne Connington. The match of his parents was considered interesting in its day; Lyonel was not the eldest son and was not expected to rule, and so married the young Lady Jeyne out of love. Such an origin colored Davos's outlook on marriage for his own children. When Lyonel passed in 379 of a fever, Davos assumed the mantle of Lord of Storm's End and paid fealty to the Iron Throne.

Like his father and grandfather, Davos has mostly avoided the court except when called. The stigma of defeat surrounding the forbear King Stannis, as well as the legendary madness of the Targaryens, persuaded the Lords of Storm's End to look to their own lands. That said, the Stormlands relatively prospered while the other kingdoms succumbed to the Others and the worst of the ravages of the Great Winter. Davos has continued the developments begun by Lady Shireen Baratheon in 315, and vigorously continued by Lyonel Baratheon in 362 following the arrival of spring. He has built additional sawmills on the Slayne, Wendwater, and tributaries to build up the lumber market and clear land for farming - while being careful to practice good forestry management. In addition, he renewed his father's efforts to encourage carpentry and woodworking in a big way - tax benefits, free land, guild charters - for additional exports. Lady Shireen and Lord Edric's investments in developing Weeping Town earned them an honor in its renaming following their deaths to Stag's Mount. With the additional lumber a shipyard industry has sprung up, earning House Baratheon access to both war galleys and a nascent merchant marine.

Davos also continued his father's policy to build a massive system of breakwaters, lighthouses, and beacons to make Shipbreaker Bay a productive marine economy. Between the wars of the previous century, the bitter winter, and the lumber and ship boom, the Baratheon lords have attracted especially skilled craftsmen and sailors, but also lumberjacks, saw mill workers, longshoremen and warehouse workers, and farmers. Lyonel Baratheon encouraged this with offers of free land and tax exemption for a number of years, and Davos has continued this practice to grow the Stormlands. All of this has left the Stormlands surprisingly better off than it was during the reigns of the Brother Kings (as many stormlanders refer to Robert, Stannis, and even Renly by).

Now with the unrest of the Targaryens, something not unexpected, Lord Davos finds himself looking to the safety of his family and holdings. Before Robert's Rebellion it seemed almost every war was triggered by the Madness of the Dragon. Those times seem to have returned.

RP Example: Here
Notes: Immediate family, including Lord Commander Robert Baratheon of the Gold Cloaks, and members of household.
I have ideas on some of the Stormland's noble families too. When Stannis died and his army bent the knee, many of his supporters took service with Shireen and Edric's household in Storm's End. With Dondarrion extinct, a cadet house of Massey continued with Justin Massey was landed there. Rolland Storm was legitimized and House Caron continued. Other knights were landed by the Baratheons and maintain small holdings (Suggs, Foxglove, Cobb, Penny, Scales, Whitewater), and a small landed knight house of the Florents exists.

In addition, with the changes over the last century and the developments mentioned in this application, I would like request 5-10k added to the Stormland's muster as a reflection of population movements and the Baratheon family's actions.

Household:

House Name: House Baratheon of Storm's End

House Leader/Lord: Lord Davos Baratheon of Storm's End (36)

House Members:

• Lady Elaena, Lady of Storm's End (34)
• Ser Steffon Baratheon, First Son and heir of Davos Baratheon (17); twin to Cassana
• Cassana Baratheon, First Daughter of Davos Baratheon (17); twin to Steffon
• Stannis Baratheon, Second Son of Davos Baratheon (16)
• Visenya Baratheon, Second Daughter of Davos Baratheon; 'The Rainwood Rose' (15)
• Devan Baratheon, Third Son of Davos Baratheon (10)
• Orys Baratheon, Fourth Son of Davos Baratheon (7)
• Argella Baratheon, Third Daughter of Davos Baratheon (6)
• Brienne Massey (née Baratheon), Sister of Davos Baratheon; Lady of Blackhaven (35)
• Ser Maric Baratheon, Brother of Davos Baratheon; self-proclaimed Lord of Grey Gallows(33)
• Lady Megga Swann, wife of Maric Baratheon (31)
• Alyssa Baratheon, Daughter of Maric Baratheon (14)
• Aegon Baratheon, Son of Maric Baratheon (8)
• Orys Baratheon, Brother of Davos Baratheon; deceased
• Ser Matthos Baratheon, Brother of Davos Baratheon; Castellan of Storm's End (29)
• Lady Catelyn Caron, Wife of Mathos Baratheon (26)
• Dale Baratheon, Son of Mathos Baratheon (11)
• Robert Baratheon, Brother of Davos Baratheon; Lord Commander of the Gold Cloaks (24)

Others:

• Maester Osric, Maester of Storm's End (65)
• Ser Steffon Rogers, Captain of the Guard of Storm's End (24)
• Ser Harys Caron, Heir to the Nightsong and Ward of Davos Baratheon (17)
• Allard Penrose, steward of Storm's End (51)
• Ser Richard Seaworth, Master-at-Arms (43)
• Omer Storm, Bastard Son of Orys Baratheon, squire to Lord Davos (16)
• Ser Robin Suggs, knight in service to Storm's End (25)
• Ser Jeyne Cobb, knight in service to Storm's End (39)
• Ser Benethon Blackberry, a knight in service to Storm's End (18)

Family Tree

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The Lineage of the House Baratheon of Storm's End, descendants of Orys Baratheon through the union of Edric Baratheon and Shireen Baratheon, back through to the reign of the Durrandons.

Edric Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End
-his lady wife, Shireen of House Baratheon
--their children
----Stannis Baratheon, b.310; Lord of Storm's End
-----his lady wife, Val of House Seaworth,
------their children
-------Robar Baratheon, b.328; died of illness in King's Landing
-------Boremund Baratheon, b.330; died of accident in martial training
-------Visenya Baratheon, b.331; murdered by suitor
-------Steffon Baratheon, b.333; died following (victorious) drinking contest
-------Lyonel Bartheon, b.337; Lord of Storm's End
--------his lady wife, Jeyne Connington
---------their children
----------Davos Baratheon, b.365; Lord of Storm's End
-----------his lady wife, Elaena of House
------------their children
-------------Steffon Baratheon, b.384
-------------Cassana Baratheon, b.384
-------------Stannis Baratheon, b.385
-------------Visenya Baratheon, b.386
-------------Devan Baratheon, b.391
-------------Orys Baratheon, b. 394
-------------Argella Baratheon, b.395
----------Brienne Baratheon, b.366
-----------her lord husband, Stannis Massey
------------their children
-------------House Massey of Blackhaven
----------Maric Baratheon, b.368
-----------his lady wife, Megga of House Swann
------------their children
-------------Alyssa Baratheon, b.387
-------------Aegon Baratheon, b.393
----------Orys Baratheon, b.371; died in a melee
----------Matthos Baratheon, b.372
-----------his lady wife, Catelyn of House Caron
------------their child
-------------Dale Baratheon, b.390
----------Robert Baratheon, b.377
----Davos Baratheon, b.313; Lord of Howling Hill
-----his lady wife, Serena of House Velaryon
------their children
-------Raymont Baratheon, b.329; Lord of Howling Hill
--------his lady wife, Myranda of House Selmy
---------their children
----------Robert Baratheon, b.349; Lord of Howling Hill
----------Daemon Baratheon, b.352; deceased
-----------his lady wife, Sansa of House Meadows
------------their child
-------------Renly Baratheon, b.371; heir to Howling Hill
--------------Eddard Storm, b.385; his only acknowledged bastard
-------Marya Baratheon, b.333
--------her lord husband, Richard Estermont
---------their children
----------House Estermont
----Daenerys Baratheon, b.316; died in infancy