New Civilizations [OOC | Open]

[Damverland]

Being so far away from the Imperium and the other Author civilizations in general I feel is both a boon and a curse. On one hand, you have less major civilizations to compete with and can easily grow powerful if handled with care. On the other, it means less opportunities for trade, thus having to do everything from scratch.

[Leikmis]

How many people do you guys think would be in Mexico around now, and how large would the largest "city" or at least tribe be. In the old thread I stated the population of my city to be around 1,000 and that it was the largest city in the area of Porto de Lazaro Cardenas. Problem is, I'm not sure if that would be entirely accurate, considering cities like Ur in the 3rd millennium B.C. had populations exceeding 50,000 people.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Being so far away from the Imperium and the other Author civilizations in general I feel is both a boon and a curse. On one hand, you have less major civilizations to compete with and can easily grow powerful if handled with care. On the other, it means less opportunities for trade, thus having to do everything from scratch.

Very true, very true. I think of it as the China-vs-Europe example. One can grow powerful in isolation, but innovation and competition can make a body stronger, pound for pound, than personal discipline alone.

Orson, I'll have a response up appended to my current post in the morning. But, for your planning, basically the Lord-Commander is going to be chuffed by the lack of a bridge over the Ohio, and set his engineers to work putting a pontoon across it, while conscripting artisans to begin the construction of a proper one after the Great Company departs. His soldiers could sail, but some of the siege guns he is bringing aren't the type you want to put on river vessels, and he won't be traveling without them.

If your sailors are amenable, though, he will send an Auxiliary Company of dragoons to the conflict zone by river as is feasible, to contain any ongoing incursions from Ego while the main body follows behind.

[G-Tech Corporation]

How many people do you guys think would be in Mexico around now, and how large would the largest "city" or at least tribe be. In the old thread I stated the population of my city to be around 1,000 and that it was the largest city in the area of Porto de Lazaro Cardenas. Problem is, I'm not sure if that would be entirely accurate, considering cities like Ur in the 3rd millennium B.C. had populations exceeding 50,000 people.

That's probably an accurate assessment, really. Mesoamerica has been populated for far less time than the Fertile Crescent, and as far as historians can this is still the period of "transitioning to sedentary living" and agricultural development. Or, rather, I've always been taught/read that 2000 BCE is about the age when cities and proper states begin to coalesce in the Americas.

[The Orson Empire]

Being so far away from the Imperium and the other Author civilizations in general I feel is both a boon and a curse. On one hand, you have less major civilizations to compete with and can easily grow powerful if handled with care. On the other, it means less opportunities for trade, thus having to do everything from scratch.

Very true, very true. I think of it as the China-vs-Europe example. One can grow powerful in isolation, but innovation and competition can make a body stronger, pound for pound, than personal discipline alone.

Orson, I'll have a response up appended to my current post in the morning. But, for your planning, basically the Lord-Commander is going to be chuffed by the lack of a bridge over the Ohio, and set his engineers to work putting a pontoon across it, while conscripting artisans to begin the construction of a proper one after the Great Company departs. His soldiers could sail, but some of the siege guns he is bringing aren't the type you want to put on river vessels, and he won't be traveling without them.

If your sailors are amenable, though, he will send an Auxiliary Company of dragoons to the conflict zone by river as is feasible, to contain any ongoing incursions from Ego while the main body follows behind.

The siege guns may be able to fit. These aren't small canoes that are docked at the Outpost; they are large galleys, built for carrying tons of cargo or dozens of people at once.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Very true, very true. I think of it as the China-vs-Europe example. One can grow powerful in isolation, but innovation and competition can make a body stronger, pound for pound, than personal discipline alone.

Orson, I'll have a response up appended to my current post in the morning. But, for your planning, basically the Lord-Commander is going to be chuffed by the lack of a bridge over the Ohio, and set his engineers to work putting a pontoon across it, while conscripting artisans to begin the construction of a proper one after the Great Company departs. His soldiers could sail, but some of the siege guns he is bringing aren't the type you want to put on river vessels, and he won't be traveling without them.

If your sailors are amenable, though, he will send an Auxiliary Company of dragoons to the conflict zone by river as is feasible, to contain any ongoing incursions from Ego while the main body follows behind.

The siege guns may be able to fit. These aren't small canoes that are docked at the Outpost; they are large galleys, built for carrying tons of cargo or dozens of people at once.

Yeah, still, probably not a good idea. Even a ship designed to carry artillery pieces in the age of sail was very vulnerable to overturning due to the weight of the weapons, and in all likelihood it’ll take just as long to load the pieces as it would to throw a pontoon bridge across the Ohio. Best to keep the whole command together, really, especially so near the border with the Lake King. Artillery pieces on a boat are artillery pieces that can’t be easily unlimbered and used.

[Skarten]

Meanwhile I just want to post as much as possible, but I don't want to swamp the IC.

I know those feels.

I think they'd be able to at least give good advice, but that doesn't matter now.

Besides the converts from the missionaries, I still have a steady, if slow, influx of converts from other raiders who have heard off our successes, and now my immortality as well. In total, I'd say I have about 10,000 Yamatzon total, 7000 of which live in Yapan itself. As suchy, my army has about 900-1000 soldiers total now. In addition, one thing the men are very experienced in is charging fortified positions and breaking through. As such, if I would charge the city, going straight for the Council hall, what would my odds be?

Also, is the city made of wood or stone?

To be more technical, I would guess other raiders are joining Yapan less out of religious conversion, and more out of a desire for plunder. Since you've been raiding the Politburo for a generation now, and all.

A thousand soldiers is probably a bit excessive. Remember, in the era of subsistence agriculture and hunter-gatherer societies that Japan remains in, better than 95% of the population will be involved in primary resource production, almost exclusively food. That means you might have five hundred persons within Yapan, including the Yamatzon that live in Yekrenia, who engage in specialized labor. Anything from woodworking, to masonry, to weaving, to trade, and yes, soldiers.

So, if every specialist in Yapan is a professional soldier, they're going to struggle to have armor or weapons or training of any quality. I presume rather that most of Yapan's soldiers are seasonal warriors, essentially militia or raiders raised as levies when they aren't overly needed on their farms, making the raiding and military capacity of Yapan cyclical with the planting and harvest of foodstuffs.

Thus you might raise a few hundred professional warriors year-round, but "professional" will be a very dubious term.

The Yapanese are accustomed to assaulting fortified positions?

Presumably wood, though I believe Koba was doing some stoneworking. At any rate, building full stone walls with his population base for a large cities is outside of our timeframe.

As far as i've seen,Yapan seems to be just a bunch of Raiders and a small quantity of actual believers.
Once the raiding stops,they go back to being a small quantity of zealots,and it's not like the Religion is going to be very "Popular" within japan.

[Pax Nerdvana]

Being so far away from the Imperium and the other Author civilizations in general I feel is both a boon and a curse. On one hand, you have less major civilizations to compete with and can easily grow powerful if handled with care. On the other, it means less opportunities for trade, thus having to do everything from scratch.

I'm the only one in Australia. I have no hope of trade unless I build ships.

[Damverland]

Being so far away from the Imperium and the other Author civilizations in general I feel is both a boon and a curse. On one hand, you have less major civilizations to compete with and can easily grow powerful if handled with care. On the other, it means less opportunities for trade, thus having to do everything from scratch.

I'm the only one in Australia. I have no hope of trade unless I build ships.

When I get ships (and I certainly plan on it), I'll be sure to pay you a visit, right after I'm done conquering China and SE asia.

[Pax Nerdvana]

I'm the only one in Australia. I have no hope of trade unless I build ships.

When I get ships (and I certainly plan on it), I'll be sure to pay you a visit, right after I'm done conquering China and SE asia.

Ok. Please don't conquer me.

[Labstoska]

I'm the only one in Australia. I have no hope of trade unless I build ships.

When I get ships (and I certainly plan on it), I'll be sure to pay you a visit, right after I'm done conquering China and SE asia.

Thou shalt not conquer China.

[Ralnis]

Everyone's talking about conquering others and guns, yet I'm just trying to industrialize to get cheap steel and ironclads.

Though I should ask, how well do my people know gunpowder and explosives for rocketry and future hand cannons?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Everyone's talking about conquering others and guns, yet I'm just trying to industrialize to get cheap steel and ironclads.

Though I should ask, how well do my people know gunpowder and explosives for rocketry and future hand cannons?

I doubt they’re very knowledgeable about gunpowder, unless Jeb shared his recipe.

[The Olog-Hai]

I'm getting close to being done with a post, but I can't do any more on it right now. I think it might be finished by tonight.

[Ralnis]

Everyone's talking about conquering others and guns, yet I'm just trying to industrialize to get cheap steel and ironclads.

Though I should ask, how well do my people know gunpowder and explosives for rocketry and future hand cannons?

I doubt they’re very knowledgeable about gunpowder, unless Jeb shared his recipe.

I know it and this was one of Bob's strengths, but he would also know rocketry from Jeb, who guraded it as a state secret I believe.

So I should know both on the top of my head ICly, or n books that I wrote during the interm. At least I should be the only rocketry expert in Africa at least.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I doubt they’re very knowledgeable about gunpowder, unless Jeb shared his recipe.

I know it and this was one of Bob's strengths, but he would also know rocketry from Jeb, who guraded it as a state secret I believe.

So I should know both on the top of my head ICly, or n books that I wrote during the interm. At least I should be the only rocketry expert in Africa at least.

Oh? Probably time to start formulating some gunpowder, then. Assuming you know how to isolate saltpeter and such.

[Ralnis]

I know it and this was one of Bob's strengths, but he would also know rocketry from Jeb, who guraded it as a state secret I believe.

So I should know both on the top of my head ICly, or n books that I wrote during the interm. At least I should be the only rocketry expert in Africa at least.

Oh? Probably time to start formulating some gunpowder, then. Assuming you know how to isolate saltpeter and such.

I didn't want to do it because I thought it would be expensive and not as important as getting steel/wrought iron and steam to have a powerful industry.

[Revlona]

Oh? Probably time to start formulating some gunpowder, then. Assuming you know how to isolate saltpeter and such.

I didn't want to do it because I thought it would be expensive and not as important as getting steel/wrought iron and steam to have a powerful industry.

Hows your post coming?

[Ralnis]

I didn't want to do it because I thought it would be expensive and not as important as getting steel/wrought iron and steam to have a powerful industry.

Hows your post coming?

Since it's going to be short, I'm halfway there. Just debating if I should start teaching gunpowder and rocketry formulas to others for my Steam,Steel,and Guns idea for my nation and military.

[Ralnis]

Ok Rev, I have did the post while also expanding on regional industry.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, Ralnis? For the record, the Imperium doesn’t use finery forges for steel manufacture, so if you have those, they are an entirely new innovation and will take quite some time to realize as a production method.

[Ralnis]

Oh, Ralnis? For the record, the Imperium doesn’t use finery forges for steel manufacture, so if you have those, they are an entirely new innovation and will take quite some time to realize as a production method.

Yeah, their are more of a primitive process for trip hammers and making cast iron. It would be improved production method once they build blast forges and make pig iron and decarbonize the metal.

[The Orson Empire]

The siege guns may be able to fit. These aren't small canoes that are docked at the Outpost; they are large galleys, built for carrying tons of cargo or dozens of people at once.

Yeah, still, probably not a good idea. Even a ship designed to carry artillery pieces in the age of sail was very vulnerable to overturning due to the weight of the weapons, and in all likelihood it’ll take just as long to load the pieces as it would to throw a pontoon bridge across the Ohio. Best to keep the whole command together, really, especially so near the border with the Lake King. Artillery pieces on a boat are artillery pieces that can’t be easily unlimbered and used.

The final bridge needs to be tall enough for ships to pass under it. If not, it will disrupt the entire river trade.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Yeah, still, probably not a good idea. Even a ship designed to carry artillery pieces in the age of sail was very vulnerable to overturning due to the weight of the weapons, and in all likelihood it’ll take just as long to load the pieces as it would to throw a pontoon bridge across the Ohio. Best to keep the whole command together, really, especially so near the border with the Lake King. Artillery pieces on a boat are artillery pieces that can’t be easily unlimbered and used.

The bridge needs to be tall enough for ships to pass under it. If not, it will disrupt the entire river trade.

I wouldn’t worry about it. Pontoon bridges with removable sections are quite feasible, especially in the short term.

[The Orson Empire]

The bridge needs to be tall enough for ships to pass under it. If not, it will disrupt the entire river trade.

I wouldn’t worry about it. Pontoon bridges with removable sections are quite feasible, especially in the short term.

I meant to say the final permanent bridge, not the pontoon bridge.