New Civilizations [OOC | Open]

[Ulls]

Welp I'm doomed.

You're giving up that easily?

Yeah, can't fight the Great Company so what's the point? May just join the Imperium as a surrender.

[Damverland]

I wonder... Do elephants still exist in China in this period?

[Skarten]

I'm 99.9% Sure i'll have a post up tomorrow.

Cool stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing how Yaroshima’s drive to rule Japan clashes with the Yamatzon.

I Might try to stabilish my rule on japan,make some "Good Enough" junk ships and then go to the mainland to buy horses.

[Skarten]

I wonder... Do elephants still exist in China in this period?

Wikipedia says they lived until the 14th Century on southern china.

[Damverland]

I wonder... Do elephants still exist in China in this period?

Wikipedia says they lived until the 14th Century on southern china.

That gives me an idea.

[Skarten]

Wikipedia says they lived until the 14th Century on southern china.

That gives me an idea.

They're not normal elephants tho.
Also,your the guy from shanghai or Hong kong right?

[Damverland]

That gives me an idea.

They're not normal elephants tho.
Also,your the guy from shanghai or Hong kong right?

Hong Kong, yeah.

[Skarten]

They're not normal elephants tho.
Also,your the guy from shanghai or Hong kong right?

Hong Kong, yeah.

Cool.

[Yatzatz]

I said, fine, the total army is 1K out of 8K. You were OK with that.
Also, I use a technique of "train a bunch of people, let a few of them be the professional army, and the rest be people who are well-trained in fighting and occasionally participate in raids to keep themselves skilled".

Yes, we've spent the last 25 years carrying out raids. A large number of the raids were on fortified positions. Maybe not as fortified, but still fortified.

So, what about the Council building itself? Stone or wood?

Precisely- since I assumed you took that advice to heart and acknowledged an army of between 10-20% would be a citizen levy, not a professional force. One eighth is a reasonable number for a city-state of antiquity to deploy for a campaign season, but most of them are essentially militiamen and barely-skilled light infantry, not professional warriors.

Almost by definition, raiding implies avoiding fortified positions. Raids are designed to seize/deny wealth and resources without risking military personnel- if you're attacking a fortified position while raiding, you're raiding wrong. If you are attacking fortified positions, you're taking heavy casualties to skilled personnel, especially in this era where siege equipment is desperately primitive.

Presumably stone. Or brick- Koba was building aqueducts out of fired bricks, and they'd be a convenient building material.

Again, we have a core force of about 250 professional soldiers, but another 750-900 are trained in warfare and occasionally join raids. So, they're all trained in warfare. Not professionals, but they're well-trained.

Not very well-fortified positions, but we are attacking forts. Small ones, to be sure, but still forts.

Also, you never answered me on whether a small team of assassins would do better. Or maybe 50 men do the sneak-in, seize a gate, and hold it for the rest of the army to charge in.

As far as i've seen,Yapan seems to be just a bunch of Raiders and a small quantity of actual believers.
Once the raiding stops,they go back to being a small quantity of zealots,and it's not like the Religion is going to be very "Popular" within japan.

Again, the longer you spend among zealots, the more zealotic (is that a word?) you become. So, while they may not have started zealots, they become zealots over time.

I'm 99.9% Sure i'll have a post up tomorrow.

Cool stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing how Yaroshima’s drive to rule Japan clashes with the Yamatzon.

Remember, I am going to be allied with what emerges from Yekrenia. So, if I'm attacked by the Kōshitsu, Yekrenia will join the war. If the civil war has ended at that point.
Also, my soldiers are battle-hardened, while Kōshitsu hasn't had a major war yet.

[Skarten]

Precisely- since I assumed you took that advice to heart and acknowledged an army of between 10-20% would be a citizen levy, not a professional force. One eighth is a reasonable number for a city-state of antiquity to deploy for a campaign season, but most of them are essentially militiamen and barely-skilled light infantry, not professional warriors.

Almost by definition, raiding implies avoiding fortified positions. Raids are designed to seize/deny wealth and resources without risking military personnel- if you're attacking a fortified position while raiding, you're raiding wrong. If you are attacking fortified positions, you're taking heavy casualties to skilled personnel, especially in this era where siege equipment is desperately primitive.

Presumably stone. Or brick- Koba was building aqueducts out of fired bricks, and they'd be a convenient building material.

Again, we have a core force of about 250 professional soldiers, but another 750-900 are trained in warfare and occasionally join raids. So, they're all trained in warfare. Not professionals, but they're well-trained.

Not very well-fortified positions, but we are attacking forts. Small ones, to be sure, but still forts.

Also, you never answered me on whether a small team of assassins would do better. Or maybe 50 men do the sneak-in, seize a gate, and hold it for the rest of the army to charge in.

To be more technical, I would guess other raiders are joining Yapan less out of religious conversion, and more out of a desire for plunder. Since you've been raiding the Politburo for a generation now, and all.

A thousand soldiers is probably a bit excessive. Remember, in the era of subsistence agriculture and hunter-gatherer societies that Japan remains in, better than 95% of the population will be involved in primary resource production, almost exclusively food. That means you might have five hundred persons within Yapan, including the Yamatzon that live in Yekrenia, who engage in specialized labor. Anything from woodworking, to masonry, to weaving, to trade, and yes, soldiers.

So, if every specialist in Yapan is a professional soldier, they're going to struggle to have armor or weapons or training of any quality. I presume rather that most of Yapan's soldiers are seasonal warriors, essentially militia or raiders raised as levies when they aren't overly needed on their farms, making the raiding and military capacity of Yapan cyclical with the planting and harvest of foodstuffs.

Thus you might raise a few hundred professional warriors year-round, but "professional" will be a very dubious term.

The Yapanese are accustomed to assaulting fortified positions?

Presumably wood, though I believe Koba was doing some stoneworking. At any rate, building full stone walls with his population base for a large cities is outside of our timeframe.

As far as i've seen,Yapan seems to be just a bunch of Raiders and a small quantity of actual believers.
Once the raiding stops,they go back to being a small quantity of zealots,and it's not like the Religion is going to be very "Popular" within japan.

Again, the longer you spend among zealots, the more zealotic (is that a word?) you become. So, while they may not have started zealots, they become zealots over time.

I'm 99.9% Sure i'll have a post up tomorrow.

Cool stuff. I’m looking forward to seeing how Yaroshima’s drive to rule Japan clashes with the Yamatzon.

Remember, I am going to be allied with what emerges from Yekrenia. So, if I'm attacked by the Kōshitsu, Yekrenia will join the war. If the civil war has ended at that point.
Also, my soldiers are battle-hardened, while Kōshitsu hasn't had a major war yet.[/quote]
Well,that's not to worry.I'm not going to just send a bunch of tribesmen to attack you.
I'm going to stabilish a actual kingdom on the North first.

[Yatzatz]

Again, the longer you spend among zealots, the more zealotic (is that a word?) you become. So, while they may not have started zealots, they become zealots over time.

Remember, I am going to be allied with what emerges from Yekrenia. So, if I'm attacked by the Kōshitsu, Yekrenia will join the war. If the civil war has ended at that point.
Also, my soldiers are battle-hardened, while Kōshitsu hasn't had a major war yet.

Well,that's not to worry.I'm not going to just send a bunch of tribesmen to attack you.
I'm going to stabilish a actual kingdom on the North first.

And then charge down south to face a nation with a well-trained army and VERY powerful (for Japan right now) ally.
That'll work well.

[Skarten]

Well,that's not to worry.I'm not going to just send a bunch of tribesmen to attack you.
I'm going to stabilish a actual kingdom on the North first.

And then charge down south to face a nation with a well-trained army and VERY powerful (for Japan right now) ally.
That'll work well.

Not if i play this

[Ralnis]

I'm just going to write up my post despite Rev. I still need some sort of enemy to fight though since everyone's fighting.

Kind of feeling like the odd man out in this case.

[Skarten]

G,why did you conquer Part of anatolia
The turks ain't gonna be happy

[Revlona]

I'm just going to write up my post despite Rev. I still need some sort of enemy to fight though since everyone's fighting.

Kind of feeling like the odd man out in this case.

Hmm?

[Ralnis]

I'm just going to write up my post despite Rev. I still need some sort of enemy to fight though since everyone's fighting.

Kind of feeling like the odd man out in this case.

Hmm?

My ambassasdor sent some survey teams around your lands and instead of trading with you he proposed a loan of some sort. Plus I need to advance my plot to setting up mass irrigation for tribal communities to not be in the way of progress and striking up deals with Nubians.

[Skarten]

Hmm?

My ambassasdor sent some survey teams around your lands and instead of trading with you he proposed a loan of some sort. Plus I need to advance my plot to setting up mass irrigation for tribal communities to not be in the way of progress and striking up deals with Nubians.

And when are you going to cause a Turk rebellion?
Cmon,i want a turk rebellion.

[Revlona]

Hmm?

My ambassasdor sent some survey teams around your lands and instead of trading with you he proposed a loan of some sort. Plus I need to advance my plot to setting up mass irrigation for tribal communities to not be in the way of progress and striking up deals with Nubians.

Yeah I noticed that

You kinda attacked my nation, we definitely have the needed resources and you made it seem like we didn't

Kinda insulting to offer a loan to nation that doesn't need it

[Ralnis]

My ambassasdor sent some survey teams around your lands and instead of trading with you he proposed a loan of some sort. Plus I need to advance my plot to setting up mass irrigation for tribal communities to not be in the way of progress and striking up deals with Nubians.

Yeah I noticed that

You kinda attacked my nation, we definitely have the needed resources and you made it seem like we didn't

Kinda insulting to offer a loan to nation that doesn't need it

My ambassador's going to be a duche, but I will edit it to have some light trading in order to minimize the deficet.

[Revlona]

Yeah I noticed that

You kinda attacked my nation, we definitely have the needed resources and you made it seem like we didn't

Kinda insulting to offer a loan to nation that doesn't need it

My ambassador's going to be a duche, but I will edit it to have some light trading in order to minimize the deficet.

Whoops, he fell off his camel and broke his neck

I gotta feeling you ambassador is gonna make relations very tense

[Ralnis]

My ambassador's going to be a duche, but I will edit it to have some light trading in order to minimize the deficet.

Whoops, he fell off his camel and broke his neck

I gotta feeling you ambassador is gonna make relations very tense

Its ok, we have replacements.

Nah, I'll edit it to make sure we have a nicer ambassador, a priest of Bondye who's caring and everything so that relations will smooth.

[Revlona]

Whoops, he fell off his camel and broke his neck

I gotta feeling you ambassador is gonna make relations very tense

Its ok, we have replacements.

Nah, I'll edit it to make sure we have a nicer ambassador, a priest of Bondye who's caring and everything so that relations will smooth.

Whoops, I accidentally crushed his skull with my warhammer

[Yatzatz]

And then charge down south to face a nation with a well-trained army and VERY powerful (for Japan right now) ally.
That'll work well.

Not if i play this

Exactly, if you play that it won't work well. Did you read what I wrote?

[Ralnis]

Its ok, we have replacements.

Nah, I'll edit it to make sure we have a nicer ambassador, a priest of Bondye who's caring and everything so that relations will smooth.

Whoops, I accidentally crushed his skull with my warhammer

Ahh, that invasion fleet or the horizon, we accidentally parked it in your shores, sorry about that.

[Revlona]

Whoops, I accidentally crushed his skull with my warhammer

Ahh, that invasion fleet or the horizon, we accidentally parked it in your shores, sorry about that.

Damn, forgot about those new cannons

Sorry I didn't mention them before hand